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Ultimate Android bile spewing "news"?

I really don't think I have ever reach such total and utter bull**** on the Internet ever. This "writer" is supposedly a professional CNET writer... Unbelievable...
This writer seems to be spewing bile at an uncontrollable rate, it's likely to flood the neighborhood. I'm guessing Apple pay her wages as well as CNET.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-57374842-266/buying-a-tablet-on-a-budget-android-or-ipad/?tag=mncol
" But with a weak supply of apps to choose from and some buggy software, are these iPad knockoffs worth it?"
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"I know you said you don't want to buy an iPad. But you may want to reconsider. And the reason I say that is even though the iPad 2 doesn't meet the same specs as some of these other tablets, it has a much broader set of apps available"
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" I've also found the Android software to be very buggy with the apps that are available"
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"Part of the problem with many Android tablets today is that the majority of them still run an older version of Android software called Honeycomb. This version of Android was specifically developed for tablets, and it's notoriously buggy. "
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And my favorite: Defending how fantastic a locked-in ecosystem is...
"But anything that has iTunes DRM on it, won't transfer to an Android device. Also, all the apps you've bought and downloaded onto your iPod Touch will not transfer to a new Android smartphone. And the iBooks that you've already downloaded for the iPod Touch also won't work on an Android phone. So for these reasons, I'd say you should just buy an iPhone to preserve the investment you've already made in the Apple iOS ecosystem."
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Is this typical of American journalism? If so, then it explains alot about the world's opinion of America.

Oh god, the comment section is gold.
Some guy mentioned the Sony Tablet S
That's Miss Reardon to you sausage smuggler
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How much did Apple pay you for this hatchet job on Android, Ms Reardon?
Android tablets are no more "iPad knockoffs" than Ford vehicles are Mercedes knockoffs. They are different products for different audiences.
Android is for people who want to get things done using a tablet. The alleged "weak supply" of apps hasn't stopped me from finding an apps (usually 20 or 30 of them) to do anything I want to do on my tablet. Perhaps that's because I can spell, know English, and have a certain amount of critical decision-making ability (as witnessed by my ownership of a $27 million company).
Apple products are for people with lots of money, very little intelligence, and a "need" for 500 "different" fart apps
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Derpy answer:
Can you use an android tablet for music production?
Nope!
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I would have recommended you to talk about the 200 Gazillions versions of Android OS (one per manufacture almost) all of them carrying names as ridiculous as the names on the Starbuck menu " Your tablet: with Android OS gran caffe macchiado Ice cream sandwich" or the "Honeycomb 2.2 served Frappe with 2 splenda"?
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wat
Had a Xoom. ya it had flash, sorta. caused more problems and restarts then it was worth. Got tired of the problems, and traded it for a first gen ipad, with half the ram, half the storage and half as many processors. No crashes, surfs faster, and has fewer problems with web-sites, even though it doesn't have flash. Everything about it's UI is smoother, and easier to understand. I guess Android works ok, but not sure that hating Apple is a good enough reason to find Android better.
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Got tired of the problems, and traded it for a first gen ipad, with half the ram, half the storage and half as many processors. No crashes
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half as many processors
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Let the apple fan boy have his "day"

r3dn1t3 said:
Let the apple fan boy have his "day"
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No offence m8 but i think your missing the point. Its fine for any 'private individual' to pimp the hell out of anything they like for what ever spurious personal reasons they have.
however ........ Ms Reardon is supposed to be a professional journalist. One of the central tenets of professional journalism (and one of the prime journalistic criticisms of online citizen journalism and blogging) is strict factual, impartiality especially on issues where commercial advantage/disadvantage may be derived from said comments.
At least (despite the phone hacking scandal) thats what journalism generally means in the UK at any rate ......... maybe America has a different concept of impartiality ........ judging from Fox news this is definitely the case.
CNET is a POS but that woman is still a damned disgrace, she's doing a massive disservice to anyone unlucky enough to find her blog whilst looking for impartial advice.
A Twitter campaign could maybe help.

Fox news is not news, just like ipads/iphone and ios are not the end all be all of tablets/ smart phones mobile operating systems. They both benefit from mass publicity and appeal and have carved such a market share that the loyal followers ignore their obvious faults, and consume anything they shell out regardless if it is inferior or untrue
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cnet articles are a piece of ****
obviously apple paid douchebags
i read enough ******ry from them each day

"But anything that has iTunes DRM on it, won't transfer to an Android device. Also, all the apps you've bought and downloaded onto your iPod Touch will not transfer to a new Android smartphone. And the iBooks that you've already downloaded for the iPod Touch also won't work on an Android phone. So for these reasons, I'd say you should just buy an iPhone to preserve the investment you've already made in the Apple iOS ecosystem."
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What about those of us who were smart enough to not invest in a proprietary DRM based format. My Android apps will work on many phones, tablets, and desktops with Bluestacks or an x86 build of Android.
For music I prefer a universal DRM free format like MP3. I also will never put iTunes on my computer. I don't need some big bloated program to sync my music and apps. I can browse and install new apps from the market all through my browser. I can sync music with my android devices by plugging them into the USB port and running a simple batch file I created that uses xcopy to sync folders.
For ebooks I would rather buy in a format that will work on more devices. Even though its DRM, Amazon's Kindle Books seem to be the best option at this point, since you can read them on many more devices.

spunker88 said:
What about those of us who were smart enough to not invest in a proprietary DRM based format. My Android apps will work on many phones, tablets, and desktops with Bluestacks or an x86 build of Android.
For music I prefer a universal DRM free format like MP3. I also will never put iTunes on my computer. I don't need some big bloated program to sync my music and apps. I can browse and install new apps from the market all through my browser. I can sync music with my android devices by plugging them into the USB port and running a simple batch file I created that uses xcopy to sync folders.
For ebooks I would rather buy in a format that will work on more devices. Even though its DRM, Amazon's Kindle Books seem to be the best option at this point, since you can read them on many more devices.
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I almost totally agree with everything you said there. However a couple of points.
1/ EPUB is the industry standard, it's much more widespread and books are usually cheaper than Amazons locked in "itunes-like" ebook store. Google Books and Kobo have 3m EPUB titles, Amazon have 750k
2/ MP3 is great, it's universal, but it's also now very old, rubbish sounding and rubbish compression rates. M4A (AAC) is ISO ratified has almost as good support as MP3 these days, and is much more efficient at compressing, which means you can have either smaller files or better sounding files. I re-ripped my entire music collection to AAC/M4A and havn't looked back, it sounds much better than MP3 and the collection is still 20% smaller in disk space, it's also more suited to streaming.

domnic619 said:
cnet articles are a piece of ****
obviously apple paid douchebags
i read enough ******ry from them each day
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Yeah but you could use an education in the use of non gender and sexual orientation prejudice based language m8.
I'll just assume your young, rather than ......................

But Honeycomb tablets with Tegra2 are not really that great though, I'm happy I didn't have to get a tablet last year, because I don't like Apple and I don't like Tegra2/Honeycomb.
But it looks much better now, a 2012 tablet with ICS and with Tegra 3 or better SOC that can play my actual media files (720p/1080p MKV) is something I'd actually want to buy.
And my other main purpose with a tablet is web browsing, and this is also something that sucks with Honeycomb compared to iPad or my Galaxy S2 which both have butter smooth browsers.
This is also much better with ICS luckily

CNET has its points on the short commings of android but they have given apple a complete pass on the turds they have been droping.
Since the 3g there has not been any true innovations to the device. There were 2 major software updates, one added a poor attempt at multitasking and the other copied notifications from android/windows. Who in their right mind would update from a 4 to a 4s? And why would anyone need an iPad 2 if they own an iPad? The ecosystem is self contained which is ok for some but people are shelling out hundreds every year to buy the same exact device.
I had a 3g and loved it. When the 4 came out I was like what the f is this? Why would I lock in for another 2 years for the same exact phone? On the other side in the same time frame android has gone from froyo to gingerbread, introduced honeycomb and then blended ics together. each being a major change from the last. Yes there has been bugs but that is part of the pain of actually developing new software. Now add all the variations sense, blur, touch wiz. etc and the rapid updates to these and you have unique user experiences. Google gets criticized for creativity, while apple gets rewarded for playing it safe
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I've used both Android and iOS extensively and I can't recommend an Android phone and especially tablet(simply awful) to anyone besides an irrational Apple hater(just to watch them waste hours flashing custom roms in hope of making it not suck so bad). Only carriers and vendors, not users benefit from Android's openness, so at the end of the day it's dimly a buzzword that Google uses to target the nerd market. While iOS I'd far far from perfect it's still much more usable than Android. An average user doesn't give a hoot about rooting,live wallpapers or replacement launchers they just want something that works out of the box. Just because a tiny portion of the market(mostly people who visit this site) doesn't mind having to void the warranty in order to make their phone or tablet somewhat usable doesn't mean that an average consumer will be willing to jump through these hoops.
Furthermore, Android tablets are such trash(being kind here) compared to the iPad that no sane individual will buy them at the same price range. If someone doesn't want an iPad then they should just wait for W8 tablets, but Android should be avoided like plague.

alex2792 said:
I've used both Android and iOS extensively and I can't recommend an Android phone and especially tablet(simply awful) to anyone besides an irrational Apple hater(just to watch them waste hours flashing custom roms in hope of making it not suck so bad). Only carriers and vendors, not users benefit from Android's openness, so at the end of the day it's dimly a buzzword that Google uses to target the nerd market. While iOS I'd far far from perfect it's still much more usable than Android. An average user doesn't give a hoot about rooting,live wallpapers or replacement launchers they just want something that works out of the box. Just because a tiny portion of the market(mostly people who visit this site) doesn't mind having to void the warranty in order to make their phone or tablet somewhat usable doesn't mean that an average consumer will be willing to jump through these hoops.
Furthermore, Android tablets are such trash(being kind here) compared to the iPad that no sane individual will buy them at the same price range. If someone doesn't want an iPad then they should just wait for W8 tablets, but Android should be avoided like plague.
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With the greatest respect I have to ask where you get such dumb ideas from as all your posts at xda are so vehemently anti android yet absolutely factually incorrect.
Explain what it is that makes android only barely usable if rooted. My dad and my girlfriend are your average non techy people and both have unrooted android devices that they love and both customised them a lot, and neither have had trouble with their systems so to say its unusable etc with no evidence is rubbish.
So with respect to your post perhaps you could explain why people must hate apple if they use android, why you think android sucks (reasons, not vague rhetoric) and why in a number of threads you keep saying you have to root android to make it usable when its ios that has to have warranty voided to do much with it.
I genuinely wonder sometimes if your not another poster who hates android and posting under a second account. I doubt you are but at least give reasons not vague nonsense please.
Dave
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CNET has become Apple's biggest supporter and it's become evident in the past year or so of articles ripping Android but praising Apple.
I used to go to CNET for news, now I only go to read the comments because they're entertaining.

alex2792 said:
I've used both Android and iOS extensively and I can't recommend an Android phone and especially tablet(simply awful) to anyone besides an irrational Apple hater(just to watch them waste hours flashing custom roms in hope of making it not suck so bad). Only carriers and vendors, not users benefit from Android's openness, so at the end of the day it's dimly a buzzword that Google uses to target the nerd market. While iOS I'd far far from perfect it's still much more usable than Android. An average user doesn't give a hoot about rooting,live wallpapers or replacement launchers they just want something that works out of the box. Just because a tiny portion of the market(mostly people who visit this site) doesn't mind having to void the warranty in order to make their phone or tablet somewhat usable doesn't mean that an average consumer will be willing to jump through these hoops.
Furthermore, Android tablets are such trash(being kind here) compared to the iPad that no sane individual will buy them at the same price range. If someone doesn't want an iPad then they should just wait for W8 tablets, but Android should be avoided like plague.
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Rubbish. Have used both extensively as well for years
Your missing the point of roming and tweaking. It is not because you have to, it is because you enjoy to.
I have both iPad and android tablet. I don't use the ipad
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alex2792 said:
I've used both Android and iOS extensively and I can't recommend an Android phone and especially tablet(simply awful) to anyone besides an irrational Apple hater(just to watch them waste hours flashing custom roms in hope of making it not suck so bad). Only carriers and vendors, not users benefit from Android's openness, so at the end of the day it's dimly a buzzword that Google uses to target the nerd market. While iOS I'd far far from perfect it's still much more usable than Android. An average user doesn't give a hoot about rooting,live wallpapers or replacement launchers they just want something that works out of the box. Just because a tiny portion of the market(mostly people who visit this site) doesn't mind having to void the warranty in order to make their phone or tablet somewhat usable doesn't mean that an average consumer will be willing to jump through these hoops.
Furthermore, Android tablets are such trash(being kind here) compared to the iPad that no sane individual will buy them at the same price range. If someone doesn't want an iPad then they should just wait for W8 tablets, but Android should be avoided like plague.
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Obvious troll is obvious. The end user benefits from Android's openness by being able to build and distribute custom ROMs without copyright infringement. Many of us thoroughly enjoy flashing ROMs, rooting, etc. We aren't doing it only to make the device usable.

The Transformer Prime is my first Android device... it crashes a half dozen times a day. I think it is a nice piece of kit, with buggy software. Im not trading it for an IPad, but Im not satisfied as I feel I should be after dropping 650 for this thing. IDK who you blame, running ICS, latest patches hasn't fixed the random reboots, wacko video artifacts after using it a few minutes, slow browsing, buggy touchscreen keyboards, apps that freeze doing the most basic operations... is it the apps, the hardware, or android?!?! I let my kid play some random apps and I get an email that I just spent $20 for some BS in game credits that don't even require a password to steal money from your account!!!! The developer doesnt respond and there's no recourse through the android marketplace...
THE WHOLE MESS IS HALF BAKED. Instead of blaming cnet for telling the truth how about you fix the problems!?!?!
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PS He's also right about the quality of the apps. I find much higher quality audio and video editing apps on my IPhone, where there seems to be nothing comparable for Android... maybe someone can point me to an App that will let me splice, add transitions, voice overs, audio, titles etc for videos I create like I can using Reel Director on IOS... show me some decent tracking, midi over wifi, synths for Android.... if they exist, prey tell.

Watching Peter pan (for free, love ice stream) with my kids on my tv using my unusable semi functioning crap android tablet. Last week I watched the UFC pay per view using this thing the call flash.
For video editing try google video editor. Have not used it much as it is made for 10" tabs and mine is 7" so it is not scaled correctly. Appears to have some of the features you want
Honeycomb version but may work on ics
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DigitalSkyline said:
The Transformer Prime is my first Android device... it crashes a half dozen times a day. I think it is a nice piece of kit, with buggy software. Im not trading it for an IPad, but Im not satisfied as I feel I should be after dropping 650 for this thing. IDK who you blame, running ICS, latest patches hasn't fixed the random reboots, wacko video artifacts after using it a few minutes, slow browsing, buggy touchscreen keyboards, apps that freeze doing the most basic operations... is it the apps, the hardware, or android?!?! I let my kid play some random apps and I get an email that I just spent $20 for some BS in game credits that don't even require a password to steal money from your account!!!! The developer doesnt respond and there's no recourse through the android marketplace...
THE WHOLE MESS IS HALF BAKED. Instead of blaming cnet for telling the truth how about you fix the problems!?!?!
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PS He's also right about the quality of the apps. I find much higher quality audio and video editing apps on my IPhone, where there seems to be nothing comparable for Android... maybe someone can point me to an App that will let me splice, add transitions, voice overs, audio, titles etc for videos I create like I can using Reel Director on IOS... show me some decent tracking, midi over wifi, synths for Android.... if they exist, prey tell.
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Welcome to the land of Android, prepare for a bumpy ride. I've had similar experiences with both Xoom(possibly the worst piece of consumer electronics I ever used) and Galaxy Tab(plastic iPad knockoff with the same crappy software). Browsing on both tablets was terrible, the browser froze, and oftentimes just randomly closed with no way of recovering open tabs. They were both useless as far as media playback since apparently Tegra 2 doesn't support high profile HD video, which makes me question the sanity of the idiot Google engineer who decided to make it the reference platform for HC. At the end of the day I've come to realize that even though it doesn't have all of the "features" of Android tablets the iPad is so far superior to the Google sanctioned junk that it's not even a fair comparison.

mcord11758 said:
Watching Peter pan (for free, love ice stream) with my kids on my tv using my unusable semi functioning crap android tablet. Last week I watched the UFC pay per view using this thing the call flash.
For video editing try google video editor. Have not used it much as it is made for 10" tabs and mine is 7" so it is not scaled correctly. Appears to have some of the features you want
Honeycomb version but may work on ics
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Yeah I've tried Google Video Editor... its crap... couldn't import videos or photos to edit, so I didn't even get past the first hurdle. Maybe they'll get it past the beta stage someday, but for now its not very good.

Android vs Apple, voice you opinion...

What to say to apple fans trying to manipulate a layman, into buying an apple, in laymen terms? Or what's the ultimate android to apple bash? Or what's the best reason to buy android vs apple? One of the main reasons I wanna know what other people would say, especially to their friends or family. I've never touched a Mac nor will I ever so I can't really say anything but tech specs, so that's my main reason to start this thread. Plus... I also wanna hear if other people are as sick as I am just hearing the freakin word, "Apple".

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What to say to apple fans trying to manipulate a layman, into buying an apple, in laymen terms? Or what's the ultimate android to apple bash? Or what's the best reason to buy android vs apple? One of the main reasons I wanna know what other people would say, especially to their friends or family. I've never touched a Mac nor will I ever so I can't really say anything but tech specs, so that's my main reason to start this thread. Plus... I also wanna hear if other people are as sick as I am just hearing the freakin word, "Apple".
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before i use Apple, i thought it is the best phone, but after i use apple iphone 4, i find it is good but with so many limitions, cannot download the useful apps is not good.till now, i can only download the apps from app store. while android is much better than iphone, my husband's galaxy s2 hd lte is good enough.

Why is there an apple sub forum in xda. Wont it be a head ache for the mods to get the spam out of it?
Ontopic. My brother has an apple and he can't stop bragging about it. Apple this apple that. I don't know what so big of a deal with it. Its also costs damn too much. I do accept its a bit fast and little stuff but that would be cause I have a wildfire.
Also it only varies based on its memory Rom (or whatever they call it) . No different styles no different sizes. But android ranges from big to small powerful to low powered.
Maybe I say this cause I only used android but I'm not gonna use iPhone any time in the future.
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Customisation is Android's Strong Point!
I would say try an iPhone and try an Android phone - the iPhone will let you do so much, but then it will give you a brick wall which you can't jump over. The Android phone, on the other hand, will give you a blank canvas which you can turn into a Picasso or a Rembrandt, depending on your tastes.
Android = customisation, at its best.
iPhone = standardisation and closed ecosystem (at its best).
It all boils down to preferences anyway. I'd stick with Android though. I just can't stand the fact that iPhone's UI is a glorified app drawer. BORING.

I purchased an iPhone 4 the first month it came out. I had never owned a smart phone before this. I thought it was fun to play around with but I eventually got really bored of it. After 3 months I really didn't understand the hype behind the phone. I gave it to my dad and went back to my 5 year old Sony Ericsson which was WAAAAY more customizable than the iPhone, even though it was very old. With the iPhone I felt like someone was cutting my steak for me and cleaning my mouth, but with the Sony Ericsson I could choose whatever type of Steak I wanted and make it myself, constantly trying new seasonings. I know that was a terrible metaphor, but whatever.
In January of last year I picked up an HTC Inspire 4G. The first month my grades dropped because of how much fun I was having. I rooted it, installed a custom ROM, playing GBA/SNES/N64 games, and did everything I could do on my PC on my phone. I even edited microsoft word documents before sending them to my teachers straight from my phone. It was a whole new world. I could literally do anything with my phone.
Over the summer I bought a Galaxy S2 i9100, and I still have it. Best. Phone. Ever. Created. I skype with my friends using the front facing camera, watch HD videos while exporting to my HD TV, and connect a mouse and keyboard and surf the web while on vacation. I even leave my laptop at home when I travel on short trips now. I just hook up the phone to the hotel's TV and browse the web.
So the reason I prefer Android is that you can do anything you can on an iPhone and a lot more. IOS is discovering an alien civilization deep within space while Android is finding an empty planet and colonizing it.

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My brother has an apple and he can't stop bragging about it. Apple this apple that. I don't know what so big of a deal with it. Its also costs damn too much. I do accept its a bit fast and little stuff but that would be cause I have a wildfire.
Also it only varies based on its memory Rom (or whatever they call it) . No different styles no different sizes. But android ranges from big to small powerful to low powered.
Maybe I say this cause I only used android but I'm not gonna use iPhone any time in the future.
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+1 for everything

@ ComradeNF I like your last paragraph... Thanks for responses, keep it going;-)

@ arzku, I agree as well.

Kerosine said:
I would say try an iPhone and try an Android phone - the iPhone will let you do so much, but then it will give you a brick wall which you can't jump over. The Android phone, on the other hand, will give you a blank canvas which you can turn into a Picasso or a Rembrandt, depending on your tastes.
Android = customisation, at its best.
iPhone = standardisation and closed ecosystem (at its best).
It all boils down to preferences anyway. I'd stick with Android though. I just can't stand the fact that iPhone's UI is a glorified app drawer. BORING.
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Nice...
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Android Rocks
Hands down Android ....
Apple is just UI & the Brand they have managed to create over the years.
Android is the best that that could happen to Mobile devices...

From my "experience" (@Israel) most people with iphones are those who use their PCs just for facebook, they just dont want anything "complicated".
Android is more of a thinking man's platform (imo!)
Once a friend of mine bragged that the iphone is simple & small while android (galaxy nexus) is too complicated, messy and huge.
It made me chuckle cuz most people (including him) have huge cases on their iPhone's making it bigger and uglier than my HTC desire, which survived, and continues to kickass w/o a case for almost two years now.

nebsif said:
From my "experience" (@Israel) most people with iphones are those who use their PCs just for facebook, they just dont want anything "complicated".
Android is more of a thinking man's platform (imo!)
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A friend of mine recently just upgraded from the iPhone 3Gs to the iPhone 4s. When I found out, I was all, "uhh, I've shown you what Android can do." To which my friend responded, "Yeah, but all I really do on my phone is check Facebook & Twitter."
Just saying, if that's all I did on my smartphone, I wouldn't spend the extra money a month for a data plan. I would just have a regular flip phone.

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Just saying, if that's all I did on my smartphone, I wouldn't spend the extra money a month for a data plan. I would just have a regular flip phone.
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iAgree. But I think iPhone(along with all Apple products) makes some kind of ego for the owner. Other people think they are rich and elegant etc.
But as we all know, it's not cool to own an iPhone

Deltatiger said:
Why is there an apple sub forum in xda. Wont it be a head ache for the mods to get the spam out of it?
Ontopic. My brother has an apple and he can't stop bragging about it. Apple this apple that. I don't know what so big of a deal with it. Its also costs damn too much. I do accept its a bit fast and little stuff but that would be cause I have a wildfire.
Also it only varies based on its memory Rom (or whatever they call it) . No different styles no different sizes. But android ranges from big to small powerful to low powered.
Maybe I say this cause I only used android but I'm not gonna use iPhone any time in the future.
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Actually, iPhones don't cost more than any other Android super phones. People just think iPhones are expensive because they don't offer a lot of bang for your buck.
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Apple is a novelty item now a days. Just to show off that they have it.
In the early days, it was the thing to have because it had all the apps and all the things people would want but now that Android is growing and developing more, it's almost the same for normal users. Of course the android needs to be on even grounds with the apple phone to be considered. ie iPhone 4 to Sg2, Razr, nexus.
For Normal users, if they don't customize the rom, and use it is as is. I think Apple would be the most useful for them.
For "Advanced" users (I use advanced lightly), the Android can do a lot more than Apple in terms of customization and useage.
Personally I'd go with Android. I thought about getting an iPhone but in the end I chose the galaxy S.

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Actually, iPhones don't cost more than any other Android super phones. People just think iPhones are expensive because they don't offer a lot of bang for your buck.
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http://www.digitec.ch/ProdukteVergleichen1.aspx?artikel=225742,209918
uuh, oh rly?
i see a difference of whooping 300.- here

Shush...
Given the kind of feedback that's coming out I suggest we keep this thread under the radar, lest Apple decide to sue us for breaking one of their patents.
Considering the patents they have, I wouldn't be surprised they patented "the ability to have an opinion on a smartphone and its real value" by now! They typically use that patent to spread wrong ideas against Android phones (forceclosing issues, copying, etc) and in favour of their product (the "innovative" FaceTime for instance, new notification system, etc) to their sheep..er.. I mean, customers.

My Opinion
My own feeling is that the iphone is great for those who want an item that comes out of a box in a usable form that they can conform to.
The android is best for someone that wants to customize their phone to their likes, and for the tasks they will perform.
My wife would probably do great with an I-phone, She has an android, but she has never changed anything about it since the second day she had it.
I am always trying roms, kernals, and apps to make my phone perfect for me.

my gf recently got her first android.
after a day she asked me if she could change that stupid lockscreen from samsung to something.. more useful.
i showed her widgetlocker
now her lockscreen looks cooler than mine... xD
thats something what would've been impossible with an iphone..

Kerosine said:
I would say try an iPhone and try an Android phone - the iPhone will let you do so much, but then it will give you a brick wall which you can't jump over. The Android phone, on the other hand, will give you a blank canvas which you can turn into a Picasso or a Rembrandt, depending on your tastes.
Android = customisation, at its best.
iPhone = standardisation and closed ecosystem (at its best).
It all boils down to preferences anyway. I'd stick with Android though. I just can't stand the fact that iPhone's UI is a glorified app drawer. BORING.
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The biggest thing that annoys me with apples OS is the lack of a dedicated back button and the functionality that goes along with it. Its very annoying to open a link in an email and then have to manually go back to the email app. Very disorienting. Every other mobile os has some way of accomplishing this.

[Q] Windows Phone Challenge

Anyone thinking about trying to face off against them with the skyrocket? or are our phones just not good enough.

Isn't that promotion over?!
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huh? Ur joking right? There isnt single windows phone the market right now that can compete with the skyrocket, in ANY category, except maybe camera, but 8mp @ 1080 p is good enough for me

Lumina is kinda baller in a hardware standpoint... The obvious lack of Android is what kills me
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Lumina is kinda baller in a hardware standpoint... The obvious lack of Android is what kills me
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not really, its also a qualcomm, but single core, only the camera is better (cmos sensor).

The way wp7 is integrated I doubt you will win. I gave my daughter my old Samsung Focus and it's smooth and fast. I like both OS's for sure but I'm sure the windows booth will have the phone setup for easy access via the tiles. If you do the challenge, let us know how it goes
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Pretty sure this is over, but most android phones can beat it. You just have to be ready, practice and set up your phone beforehand.

Its funny, windows mobile started it all, but when the iPhone and android iOS hit. Windows got knocked out and basically have to start out green. If only they would of stuck with windows mobile 6.5....
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yea it was over, but the terms were saying it had to be like out of the box stuff....so meaning we couldnt flash like a custom rom or something, ive only read people with Stock Galaxy Nexus could beat it....its a race from turned off to pulling up like weather...which takes the nokia phone like 15 seconds to boot up

There were several different types of tests and all were geared towards WP7's strengths.
It was an advertising campaign, so I would expect them to do well against most devices.
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It was not a test of hardware, it was a test of software and integration.
Something MS did very well with regards to WP7.
And sorry, WP7 does do social integration better than Android.
I own devices running iOS, WP7 and Android and WP7 has the social part nailed down.
Sure, you can find third party solutions for Android, but that's not the point of these tests.

I was not impressed with the Lumia or its Windows operating system. I demo'd one and picked up the Skyrocket instead (I was going to preorder a Lumia a week or so ago because of the $99). The handset was heavy, the touchscreen was not as responsive and it didn't help that it died in my hands. I thought the ATT rep was really good. She pulled a Skyrocket out (her own personal phone) and said I would not be happy with Windows mobile if I was used to Android..(coming from an Atrix that made my mind up and I am happy with my decision)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2012/03/28/is-the-microsoft-windows-phone-challenge-a-scam/

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2012/03/28/is-the-microsoft-windows-phone-challenge-a-scam/
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I wouldn't say the challenge itself was a scam more that some store employees/managers chose to be douche bags and not follow the written rules.
Even the creator of the challenge, Ben Rudolph said some stores were not playing fair.

I think with Nokia WP is finally getting some traction, especially at the price point they're selling it at. It was a smart move for Nokia to go WP rather then Android, it's easier for them to stand out. With Android they would just drown, among the sea of devices.
As far as the challenge goes it's not a scam but clever marketing. It reminds me of the old Pepsi Challenge campaign from years ago, funny how everyone shown in the ads always chose Pepsi

I've played with WP7, and it is a pretty slick OS. That said, these challenges are stacked in WP7's favor: social integration/efficiency.
It's not like they're gonna ask you to go to the market and download Instagram or other apps unavailable on WP7. Or pull up turn by turn navigation from google maps, or change your wallpaper, etc. etc.

Ordered a HTC One S... cancelled.

First, Apple are suing the hell out of Android so it probably won't last long anyway
Now no flash support either?? One of the only things Android had over Apple is gone.
Might as well just get a phone that does the same thing and looks much better (instead of every Android phone just getting bigger and uglier)
P.S. this doesn't go without a big F**K YOU to Adobe as well :good:
Edit: okay, I can't bring myself to buy any Apple product other than an OG iPod, so I might just get a Nokia 3310...

They won't be able to do much outside the US where the patent system isn't so messed up. I'm sure Android will live, but if not in the US, then imported. Although I doubt it will die in the US anyways.
Also, you must have lived under a rock for a very long time. Adobe Flash is an extremely old technology. It is a 19 year old goddam technology and its STILL being updated! This is just a small part of the transition to HTML5
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They won't be able to do much outside the US where the patent system isn't so messed up. I'm sure Android will live, but if not in the US, then imported. Although I doubt it will die in the US anyways.
Also, you must have lived under a rock for a very long time. Adobe Flash is an extremely old technology. It is a 19 year old goddam technology and its STILL being updated! This is just a small part of the transition to HTML5
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thanks for the reply
what I mean is, I know Flash is old (and sucks, and has always sucked and been buggy/the main cause of browsers crashing, etc..) but now Android 4.0.x won't support Flash at all
There is a workaround but it involves installing DolphinHD web browser or something

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Which isn't a problem at all, and you should do this anyway because it's (one of) the best browser(s) for Android.

1 - Apple isn't doing **** about Android its mostly Samsung hardware, android is going no where.
2 - current ics has flash plus all u need to do is Download an apk for flash to work on jelly bean.
3- most android phones look totally different
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3- most android phones look totally different
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Unlike all iOS phones. They all look the same.

Might want to give WP8 a shot.
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thanks for the reply
what I mean is, I know Flash is old (and sucks, and has always sucked and been buggy/the main cause of browsers crashing, etc..) but now Android 4.0.x won't support Flash at all
There is a workaround but it involves installing DolphinHD web browser or something
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Get your facts straight killer. 4.0.anything still supports flash...Adobe is just not updating the app. Not a big deal since sites are going away from flash, so a further update should not be needed. You can sideload flashplayer (can be found NUMEROUS places on XDA) onto any android version. I am currently running 4.1, and flash works just fine. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true...

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Get your facts straight killer. 4.0.anything still supports flash...Adobe is just not updating the app. Not a big deal since sites are going away from flash, so a further update should not be needed. You can sideload flashplayer (can be found NUMEROUS places on XDA) onto any android version. I am currently running 4.1, and flash works just fine. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true...
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I was thinking the same thing, but the fact I upgraded my SXE to 4.0.3 and now, even though Flash is installed it says "this site requires flash" on every flash site that worked beforemakes it true.

That Act I would describe something as "Somebody put fire on his/her house in fear of rats"....lol....
A patent infringement suit for something like 'Rectangular shape with rounded corners' ( even if they belieive they invented it- if search internet u will see there were products with that shape before ipad) or tap to call if its a phone number is not Andorid OS's core...
If u check here u can see there were not only claims by apple but also against apple too.. They also violated many n settled even with nokia n cisco etc...
Even brand iPhone was Cisico's before Apple , i believe they had only 'i'. They had Voip phone with that brand name... Now they go all over Android phone companies for small small claims coz their butts gets heated up when sitting on those big cupertino seats watching the growth of Android phones....
Even their much hyped 'Siri' is being laughed at...
http://youtu.be/grmixtB9dZM?hd=1&t=3m14s
Edit : Flash issue is a matter of time when HTML5 support built into the browsers . Adobe said on announcement that HTML5 is here as it supports flash

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1 - Apple isn't doing **** about Android its mostly Samsung hardware, android is going no where.
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Apple was just awarded 25 patents on iOS for things like pinch to zoom and notification bar so they will most likely now come after android. Check the thread its ridiculous
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Apple was just awarded 25 patents on iOS for things like pinch to zoom and notification bar so they will most likely now come after android. Check the thread its ridiculous
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Notification bar? NOTIFICATION BAR??? You mean the one that was on Android since 1.5 cupcake and iOS blatantly copied in iOS 5 is now theirs???
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Notification bar? NOTIFICATION BAR??? You mean the one that was on Android since 1.5 cupcake and iOS blatantly copied in iOS 5 is now theirs???
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Well transparent or disappearing notification bar to be more precise. Basically everything about the touch screen based user interface though yes.
Here's the link check it out. Bananas.
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
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How can they say they invented touch screen n pinch gesture even those technologies date back to even 1982-83.... its like siri , the technology they aquired, but they intvented lol

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Well transparent or disappearing notification bar to be more precise. Basically everything about the touch screen based user interface though yes.
Here's the link check it out. Bananas.
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/articles/apples-latest-patents-could-spell-doom-for-android-r977
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No need to worry. On June of this year 6 US Senators teamed up to address the mobile technology patent situation. To make a long story short, they said that patents like this need to fall under FRAND...meaning Apple has to license them under reasonable terms. They are saying that once these features hit the market, they are considered standard essential. For example...a touch screen. If a judge says no one can use a touchscreen because apple has it patented, in theory, no other smartphone will offer competition..therefore apple has to license it out. Also, be wary of what you read in those kinds of articles, especially on rootzwiki. It is written by someone who volunteered to write for them and has no real journalism or reporting experience.

Right
My One S arrived... it's too damn sexy to send back lol

Why iPhone applications or games always ahead android?

Hi all,
I've been a both android and iPhone user. And for now I've switched back to android for Galaxy S3 because it has much bigger screen and wanna try how fast it is. However, it's my feeling I think not quite different from 4S, even 4S can respond fast in every game and application compared to galaxy. I don't know why... just feel like that during the time I use it.
One more thing is that I wonder why almost every game or application under the same name from iPhone, got available ahead of android and most of them have much more features and quality than android as well, eg., asphalt 7....
Sometimes, I feel so sad about this...
So I am waiting to read about all of your opinions on this matter...
Thanks,
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I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you comparing
the S3 & 4s or Android v appl. ????

hollow1 said:
One more thing is that I wonder why almost every game or application under the same name from iPhone, got available ahead of android and most of them have much more features and quality than android as well, eg., asphalt 7....
Sometimes, I feel so sad about this...
So I am waiting to read about all of your opinions on this matter...
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It's because of the I in front of it. Apple have hacked the Android Play Store to check an online database of Iphone Apps, and if any developer tries to put an app on the Play store, the Apple Virus checks if the same app is already available for the Iphone. If it's not, it will delay the Android app in Stealth mode, and send the sourcecode to Apple. Apple will then convert the app for IOS, put an I in front of the name, and release it for Iphone. As soon as they do, the name with the I in front of it gets transferred to the remote database, signaling the Apple virus that this particular app is now available on Iphone, and it's safe to come out of Stealth mode and release the app into the Play Store, but upon release, the virus cuts out 2 or 3 random features. They did this so they can claim that they always have apps faster then Android, and with more features. Now you know.

Apple has a very limited set of devices which they have to support in their OS. Thus much more optimization can be done to "smooth" such things. That said, I find JB with Project Butter quite impressive in this regard.
But with owning a non-Nexus Samsung device you are not in the best hands regarding non-bloated and smooth firmwares.

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It's because of the I in front of it. Apple have hacked the Android Play Store to check an online database of Iphone Apps, and if any developer tries to put an app on the Play store, the Apple Virus checks if the same app is already available for the Iphone. If it's not, it will delay the Android app in Stealth mode, and send the sourcecode to Apple. Apple will then convert the app for IOS, put an I in front of the name, and release it for Iphone. As soon as they do, the name with the I in front of it gets transferred to the remote database, signaling the Apple virus that this particular app is now available on Iphone, and it's safe to come out of Stealth mode and release the app into the Play Store, but upon release, the virus cuts out 2 or 3 random features. They did this so they can claim that they always have apps faster then Android, and with more features. Now you know.
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What you said seem a very big concern between them. Excuse me, but Where you get the information from?
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I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you comparing
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Can be both.. if you can share your idea between tthis two.
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Apple has a very limited set of devices which they have to support in their OS. Thus much more optimization can be done to "smooth" such things. That said, I find JB with Project Butter quite impressive in this regard.
But with owning a non-Nexus Samsung device you are not in the best hands regarding non-bloated and smooth firmwares.
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Hmm, like what you said I should go to one "smooth" is better then holding many types of devices which is good only in shapes and spec but doesn't have quality. I still don't know how Google encourage their 3rd party devs to make one good app or game for android. As to hacker307 said seem play store is a cow-don't fix.
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What you said seem a very big concern between them. Excuse me, but Where you get the information from?
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I regularly eat apples. Sometimes they tell me stuff.

Apple has far better system integration with their line of products. A good example is the iPhone 4S which has inferior spec compared with similar priced Android phones, but still it runs much more smooth than most of the android phone. Because every iPhone 4S is exactly the same, so software developer knows exactly how their software will perform on those units, and hence much more easier to optimize performance.
As to why iOS games is always ahead of Android, I believe that has a lot to do with the eco system of AppStore and Google Play respectively. iOS is more profitable than Google, but that is just my guess.

I can't understand what u have found about this two devices. I own an ipod 4th gen and I can say that my galaxy s plus is faster. I know iphone is the most beautiful but not the best at specs... I am sorry my friend. Also about the hacking is correct...
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As to why iOS games is always ahead of Android, I believe that has a lot to do with the eco system of AppStore and Google Play respectively. iOS is more profitable than Google, but that is just my guess.
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I think you are right, that is the reason. Dev`s tend to develop apps/games to get the most profit first.

I believe that all apple devices are pretty much the same since the first one so so application's can be made more quickly and easily. But android phones are made by different companies using different hardware so harder for developers
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hmm, pretty hard...I don't know should I replace my S3 with the next iPhone 5 or not...
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