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Running XDA Orbit 2 with Core Player - it's so unbelievebal that this new device...

...is SLOWER than my 2 Years old Dell Axim!
I've been running my Update for CorePlayer to V1.2.2 without any problems. But - i've running the YouTube Function, connecting over WLAN 54 MBits to the YouTube Empire...
There i'll be searching for some videos, thinking that anything has chanced with this new version - tapped on a video - waiting - watching about five seconds - and? NOTHING! Its like before, laggy, struggleing and unwatchable...
why this damn devices is not optimized? why is this expensive thing hardware not able to do, what a two or three year old pocket pc is running without any problems? why we must hack this device to get a piece of performance?
This device is the best, the nicest and the fully featured piece of hardware that i've ever had. i've been a pda junkie since the beginning of this with the crappy WIN CE2.1.
Since Win CE is mutch time gone and the devices gone faster and faster. The good old casio em500 running a 150 MHz MIPS CPU was fast - the well known iPAQ3660 was faster and much better in playing videos or something. Every change of hardware was a change that was useful. After that a MDA2 with a 400 MHz x-scale cpu was mine and it was faster than everything before. MDA Compact was faster, The Dell AXIM Series was fast like a rocket - but then XDA Orbit brakes me like a train crashing in a wall of steel. I thought i've been running this device with a handbrake or something.
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!

1. The youtube function is still new to the CorePlayer (I mean the direct youtube support whith available configuration)
2. The lag is mostly because of a small buffer and/or a crappy net connection
3. Unless CorePlayer doesn't suck whith normal (320x240 24~25 FPS) videos, don't complain.
Yes, we know that the drivers are missing, that's nothing new. If you wan't to know the cause check my signature. We heard enough people complaining, and most of us tried to do something instead of (in this case very detailed) whining.
If you knew what to expect, then don't complain, it you didn't... maybe next time you'll check forums/reviews/youtube for more info before buying.

http://www.computerbase.de/news/con...ikation/2008/april/quake_3_ipod_touch_iphone/
Apple iPhone running Quake 3 smooth like a piece of butter in the sun...

as far as i know iphone got a 600Mhz arm cpu
and a whole different os structure so you cant
really mix it into a compare of polaris and an older dell pda

OpenGL32 said:
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!
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We feel your pain buddy...
Or should I say, we felt your pain. We've got past that stage already, and have kind of accepted this crappy fact of life - that we've been bent over with a smile. I personally chose this device because there is nothing else to choose from!
On the other hand, HTC makes me really want to get an iPhone, even with its lack of any modern features - it is a device that just works (well, after you've jail-broke it).

OpenGL32 said:
...is SLOWER than my 2 Years old Dell Axim!
I've been running my Update for CorePlayer to V1.2.2 without any problems. But - i've running the YouTube Function, connecting over WLAN 54 MBits to the YouTube Empire...
There i'll be searching for some videos, thinking that anything has chanced with this new version - tapped on a video - waiting - watching about five seconds - and? NOTHING! Its like before, laggy, struggleing and unwatchable...
why this damn devices is not optimized? why is this expensive thing hardware not able to do, what a two or three year old pocket pc is running without any problems? why we must hack this device to get a piece of performance?
This device is the best, the nicest and the fully featured piece of hardware that i've ever had. i've been a pda junkie since the beginning of this with the crappy WIN CE2.1.
Since Win CE is mutch time gone and the devices gone faster and faster. The good old casio em500 running a 150 MHz MIPS CPU was fast - the well known iPAQ3660 was faster and much better in playing videos or something. Every change of hardware was a change that was useful. After that a MDA2 with a 400 MHz x-scale cpu was mine and it was faster than everything before. MDA Compact was faster, The Dell AXIM Series was fast like a rocket - but then XDA Orbit brakes me like a train crashing in a wall of steel. I thought i've been running this device with a handbrake or something.
The Orbit 2 is a little bit faster - but if there is no video driver the videos are laggy - and that is what i don't understand. Why HTC?!
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I wonder why your facing this problem?!?! CorePlayer 1.2.2 gives smooth flawless video, I've tested in on every video format commonly used.
Have you installed it on your Storage card or Device memory?

Just out of curiosity, will it make any difference?
I have it installed on the device itself, will it get a boost if i install it on the memory card?

Kimma said:
Just out of curiosity, will it make any difference?
I have it installed on the device itself, will it get a boost if i install it on the memory card?
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Yes, the app performs faster if installed on the Device memory, hence the improved video speeds.

Jibreil said:
Yes, the app performs faster if installed on the Device memory, hence the improved video speeds.
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That was a kinda unclear response, i asked if i'll get a boost if i'll get a boost if i install on the MicroSD Memory card, and you reply with yes, you will get a boost from the Device Memory.
But i'm guessing i've done the right thing (installing it on the Built In memory)

Better to install on the device memory. As a rule of thumb install apps on device memory, especially if you have performance or incompatibility issues.
As for Coreplayer, I am using 1.2 with QTv. While it is a lot better with QTv and benchmark numbers are great, it's still not that fluid. When panning in scenes or fast motion, it's still not very smooth. When I check properties I might have 1 dropped frame out of several thousand so I know it's not dropped frames. I have encoded my movie (source is my DVD) at 320x240. It's at 24 fps. I can always try encoding at 30fps and see if that fixes it. But I don't believe fps to be the issue since playing the 24fps movie on my computer is smooth. Any ideas?

Optimal Video Settings for High Quality Playback Using Core Player?

I have Core Player and love it's steaming capabilities. Doesn't skip and has plenty of feature to customize. The problem I'm running into is playing videos from my SD card. I have two TV show episodes loaded onto my microSD, 640x480. For some reason, Core Player skips a frame or two, sometimes, and freezes/lags for a solid 5-7 seconds other times.
I'm wondering if there are any fixes for this? What settings work best for the Core Player for the smoothest possible feedback?

Unfortunately...
This is not the answer that you want to hear (and I hope someone can prove me wrong) but you will probably will have to reencode those videos to a more CorePlayer friendly format if you want to use CorePlayer on your Raphael to play those files.
CorePlayer doesn't play nicely with H264 files yet on our Qualcomm chips. You can reencode to something like divx/xvid or wait until CorePlayer 2.0 to release sometime in 2009. They claim better hardware support will come with that version. Or you can reencode for WMP. Yeah, I know, kind of a bummer. =/
More info can be found on xda and fuzemobility. I think there is an xda thread started by k9tim regarding this issue if you want to read up on it.
One thing that helped for non H264 files was to increase the buffer size tenfold and decrease video quality to Medium or Low for better framerates. Didn't help me for H264 files but it did help me with some mpegs. I hope someone can prove me wrong.
Posted from my Fuze

I watch movies and tv shows in xvid and divx with 1.25, default settings, high quality, with absolutey no slow downs at all. What exactly are you trying to play?

dogyo01 said:
This is not the answer that you want to hear (and I hope someone can prove me wrong) but you will probably will have to reencode those videos to a more CorePlayer friendly format if you want to use CorePlayer on your Raphael to play those files.
CorePlayer doesn't play nicely with H264 files yet on our Qualcomm chips. You can reencode to something like divx/xvid or wait until CorePlayer 2.0 to release sometime in 2009. They claim better hardware support will come with that version. Or you can reencode for WMP. Yeah, I know, kind of a bummer. =/
More info can be found on xda and fuzemobility. I think there is an xda thread started by k9tim regarding this issue if you want to read up on it.
One thing that helped for non H264 files was to increase the buffer size tenfold and decrease video quality to Medium or Low for better framerates. Didn't help me for H264 files but it did help me with some mpegs. I hope someone can prove me wrong.
Posted from my Fuze
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Well, you're right - It's certainly not good news. But the bold'd part made it that much better, so it evens out
As far as the info goes, I really appreciate it. It's really no problem for me to leave my computer on overnight with a whole queue of files to re-encode. It'd suck if I was trying to get other things done too, but a fan on high and a few solid hours overnight should (hopefully) take care of these issues. Thanks again.

joeh4x said:
I watch movies and tv shows in xvid and divx with 1.25, default settings, high quality, with absolutey no slow downs at all. What exactly are you trying to play?
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You, or anyone else who reads this and has zero issues with playback, wouldn't happen to have drivers from this post installed, would you?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2892184&postcount=357
I'm wondering if that's the issue - different drivers on different phones. I have a stock ROM Alltel HTC Touch Pro, with no real desire to upgrade/flash/change the PRL. I ***LOVE*** it the way it is and probably won't be getting a different phone for 3-4 years. 99.8% perfect in my book (with potential factored in, too)

I have a stock Fuze and can get good playback.
Again it all depends on the source files your trying to play. Some of my trilinear and high quality audio encoded files chop / lag every 60th frame or so but at high quality its worth it. Medium quality it does not slow down too much. Most play smoothly till high action in which case they will slow a little.
Increasing the buffer and playing with the method of drawing can increase your quality. If I was not half asleep and my phone in the other room (wife asleep) I would check my settings. If I remember I will post them in the morning. Most of them have not been changed though.

sovrce said:
You, or anyone else who reads this and has zero issues with playback, wouldn't happen to have drivers from this post installed, would you?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2892184&postcount=357
I'm wondering if that's the issue - different drivers on different phones. I have a stock ROM Alltel HTC Touch Pro, with no real desire to upgrade/flash/change the PRL. I ***LOVE*** it the way it is and probably won't be getting a different phone for 3-4 years. 99.8% perfect in my book (with potential factored in, too)
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I have those drivers installed AND playback issues. But you should install them anyway.
I'm working out some methods of encoding at the moment and will get back to you. I tried to fight the transcoding, but am starting to give in. The device just doesn't have a lot of headroom as far as playing videos, with currently available players.

Any other thoughts on this or are we all just waiting on the next Core Player update?

Did installing the drivers help you at all?

[Q] WebTOP Possible?

Hello, i used to have an atrix... then a photon and i still got them around but ofc im using the Infuse.
I was used to the WebTOP thing those motorola phones included in wich with just a bit of modifications it was an actually funtional "large screen" mobile computer; as soon as i got the Infuse i go and try the HDMI to realize its just HDMI "mirroring" so it just displays what you have on he screen... so seemengly "useless" at that time i went for rogers GB base ROMs since i wasnt gonna use HDMI.
Anyways now that i see the kernel problem with Rogers GB that didnt let HDMI go out its fixed with the J2 leak i went curious about HDMI again. Still whats the big deal to create the WebTOP display and can it be " ported" easily to Samsung? Or its device specific too hard etc etc?
Would be nice to not just have HDMI mirror but a kind of "WebTOP" for the Infuse since you can turn it into an awesome " micro laptop" with about 15 minuts of mods run full ubuntu etc.
Closest i have found its this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179824
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162662
I know its probably hardware things still....
If anyone could be so kind of explaining me whats the deal about only motorola being able to run a WebTOP OR if its possible to just pull the apks from my photon/atrix and run them on Infuse?

koriotto said:
Hello, i used to have an atrix... then a photon and i still got them around but ofc im using the Infuse.
I was used to the WebTOP thing those motorola phones included in wich with just a bit of modifications it was an actually funtional "large screen" mobile computer; as soon as i got the Infuse i go and try the HDMI to realize its just HDMI "mirroring" so it just displays what you have on he screen... so seemengly "useless" at that time i went for rogers GB base ROMs since i wasnt gonna use HDMI.
Anyways now that i see the kernel problem with Rogers GB that didnt let HDMI go out its fixed with the J2 leak i went curious about HDMI again. Still whats the big deal to create the WebTOP display and can it be " ported" easily to Samsung? Or its device specific too hard etc etc?
Would be nice to not just have HDMI mirror but a kind of "WebTOP" for the Infuse since you can turn it into an awesome " micro laptop" with about 15 minuts of mods run full ubuntu etc.
I know its probably hardware things still....
If anyone could be so kind of explaining me whats the deal about only motorola being able to run a WebTOP OR if its possible to just pull the apks from my photon/atrix and run them on Infuse?
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Web top is lame, hwy I can run Web apps and browse Web sites like any other browser. I really don't get it.
You can actually run Linux in place of the Web top on the atrix but it had limitations last I looked. But yeah it is kinda motorola specific. Though if you install Linux to the sd card it is possible to ruin it along side Android. Then with a set of apps you may be able to access it with vnc software through Android to display the GUI on an hdmi device.
I'd imagine this would be slow and take a while to setup but it could be fun try.

Dani897 said:
Web top is lame, hwy I can run Web apps and browse Web sites like any other browser. I really don't get it.
You can actually run Linux in place of the Web top on the atrix but it had limitations last I looked. But yeah it is kinda motorola specific. Though if you install Linux to the sd card it is possible to ruin it along side Android. Then with a set of apps you may be able to access it with vnc software through Android to display the GUI on an hdmi device.
I'd imagine this would be slow and take a while to setup but it could be fun try.
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Yeah i mean i know you can basicly run browser like desktop etc, still maybe its my bigscree or my infuse but it scales so ugly it doesnt quite looks " HD" and the fact that its always portrait unless you open a video... maybe im playing wrong with MHL and my big screen but the videos dont look as good as i would expect, and again i repeat maybe im doing somethign wron but i sometimes use netflix on my infuse and put it on the bigscreen by the MHL adaptor and it looks UGLY choppy slow etc... if im doing something wrong would be nice if someone helped me out... its a 52" 1080p screen im connecting directly the MHL to hd cable to tv... and running froyo stock atm... looks bad videos look choppy dar sounds sometimes syncs off etc...
thats why i asked about the webtop cause it created an external emvironmet "ugly one" still looked so good while running videos etc that i could say " hey now thats hd"

koriotto said:
Yeah i mean i know you can basicly run browser like desktop etc, still maybe its my bigscree or my infuse but it scales so ugly it doesnt quite looks " HD" and the fact that its always portrait unless you open a video... maybe im playing wrong with MHL and my big screen but the videos dont look as good as i would expect, and again i repeat maybe im doing somethign wron but i sometimes use netflix on my infuse and put it on the bigscreen by the MHL adaptor and it looks UGLY choppy slow etc... if im doing something wrong would be nice if someone helped me out... its a 52" 1080p screen im connecting directly the MHL to hd cable to tv... and running froyo stock atm... looks bad videos look choppy dar sounds sometimes syncs off etc...
thats why i asked about the webtop cause it created an external emvironmet "ugly one" still looked so good while running videos etc that i could say " hey now thats hd"
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Yeah the scaling sux, but video playback isn't mirrored the phone screen should be off and it should output high Res video. A lot of the hdmi stuff is closed source and I don't know if the devs can figure out a way to interface with it. I wouldn't be optimistic about a better way.
Are you playing videos pdf the sd card oder flash off websites? If the Samsung player is running and you go full screen it should look ok. If it is windowed or uses the flash powered video player then there isn't any way I know of to get better than 480x800 res with bad upscaling. Try forcing the TV into 480p and see if the sharpness improves, other than that, I guess you have to deal with it.

Dani897 said:
Yeah the scaling sux, but video playback isn't mirrored the phone screen should be off and it should output high Res video. A lot of the hdmi stuff is closed source and I don't know if the devs can figure out a way to interface with it. I wouldn't be optimistic about a better way.
Are you playing videos pdf the sd card oder flash off websites? If the Samsung player is running and you go full screen it should look ok. If it is windowed or uses the flash powered video player then there isn't any way I know of to get better than 480x800 res with bad upscaling. Try forcing the TV into 480p and see if the sharpness improves, other than that, I guess you have to deal with it.
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Hmm idk how netflix works to be honest... but the screen nevers goes off while im playing a movie... that puts the phone temp REALLY hot after 2.30 hrs of playing with the screen on... i havent tried any videos directly from Video player i was saying Netflix quiality trough HDMI SUCKED haha...ill give it a shot at forcing the tv to go 480p thats actually a nice idea i didnt had... tnks man.

You are lucky you can even mirror Netflix. Samsung can't even allow there own media hub to mirror, the studios won't allow it. It would be too ready to record and distribute, media hub videos are only licenced to playback on the device. running mhl only gives you a message about how it isn't supported.

Dani897 said:
You are lucky you can even mirror Netflix. Samsung can't even allow there own media hub to mirror, the studios won't allow it. It would be too ready to record and distribute, media hub videos are only licenced to playback on the device. running mhl only gives you a message about how it isn't supported.
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Lol thats true, then ill stick with what i can get hahaha.

Bluetooth audio lag

Hi,
i have bluetooth Logitech Mini Boombox speaker, and i can say i am pretty disappointed.
Listening to mp3 and music in overall is OK, of course.
The problem is with video. Both BSplayer and Dice player give me a lag when watching movies.
Very hard to watch people speak as lip syncing is off.
Can anyone with bluetooth speakers try some movie and let me know the results.
Maybe some other video player plays better. Maybe it is Boombox that has problems (but i doubt).
Thing to have in mind: i tried playing from internal storage and streaming...both audio streams lag.
Aslo: the new firmware doesn't help.
Is this maybe normal for Android in overall? Shouldn't be.
Thx

Check out this thread maybe it can help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787662&highlight=blue+tooth

Svashtar said:
Hi,
i have bluetooth Logitech Mini Boombox speaker, and i can say i am pretty disappointed.
Listening to mp3 and music in overall is OK, of course.
The problem is with video. Both BSplayer and Dice player give me a lag when watching movies.
Very hard to watch people speak as lip syncing is off.
Can anyone with bluetooth speakers try some movie and let me know the results.
Maybe some other video player plays better. Maybe it is Boombox that has problems (but i doubt).
Thing to have in mind: i tried playing from internal storage and streaming...both audio streams lag.
Aslo: the new firmware doesn't help.
Is this maybe normal for Android in overall? Shouldn't be.
Thx
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If it makes you feel any better this problem is universal across multiple devices. It drives me crazy. It is present on the Transformer prime, TF300 Acer a510 and my Excite 7.7 even though these devices use different BT radios and different BT versions. I have heard people claim that some of these devices don't have video slowdown with BT. They do. Its subtle in some cases and might be overlooked but its there.
I have to assume it is OS related or Tegra related as these are the only things these devices have in common. I have found no way to completely minimize the slowdown in video. I have gone back to using wired headphones for video and BT for music and audio only where sync isn't a factor.
Here is one thing that does help. If you are playing a video that has AC3 audio encoding (most downloaded MKV files) the delay is increased slighty because the audio decoding is done by software not hardware - the video is delayed slightly to keep it in sync with the audio as it is decoded. Over BT this delay, for whatever reason is further exagerated.
For the record: ALL video players on Android decode AC3 in software, even Diceplayer - there is NO hardware support for AC3 on the tegra 3 chip.
To speed up your video you can try this: download the free software Avidemux. Use it to convert only the audio of your MKV file to AAC. By doing this you alow both audio and video to be decoded by hardware - this reduces a major source of lag. On a core i7 PC converting the audio to AAC takes less than 2 minutes on most videos. The video is left untouched - it is not re-encoded.
How to use Avidemux:
In the VIDEO drop down box select: COPY
In the AUDIO drop down box select: AAC
in the CONFIGURE box select a bitrate: 160 or whatever you prefer.
In the FILTERS box select Stereo for the Mixdown. (Why stereo? If you are listening through two speakers keep it simple - two channels are fastest to decode.)
In the FORMAT box select MP4.
In the FILE menu select SAVE then SAVE VIDEO and name your video with an MP4 extension. It will begin converting and will likely take only a couple of minutes on a fast machine.
Now you may find that your video plays fast enough to be acceptable over BT. I still find a faint lag noticeable even with full hardware decoding of audio.

Digital Man said:
If it makes you feel any better this problem is universal across multiple devices. It drives me crazy. It is present on the Transformer prime, TF300 Acer a510 and my Excite 7.7 even though these devices use different BT radios and different BT versions. I have heard people claim that some of these devices don't have video slowdown with BT. They do. Its subtle in some cases and might be overlooked but its there.
I have to assume it is OS related or Tegra related as these are the only things these devices have in common. I have found no way to completely minimize the slowdown in video. I have gone back to using wired headphones for video and BT for music and audio only where sync isn't a factor.
Here is one thing that does help. If you are playing a video that has AC3 audio encoding (most downloaded MKV files) the delay is increased slighty because the audio decoding is done by software not hardware - the video is delayed slightly to keep it in sync with the audio as it is decoded. Over BT this delay, for whatever reason is further exagerated.
For the record: ALL video players on Android decode AC3 in software, even Diceplayer - there is NO hardware support for AC3 on the tegra 3 chip.
To speed up your video you can try this: download the free software Avidemux. Use it to convert only the audio of your MKV file to AAC. By doing this you alow both audio and video to be decoded by hardware - this reduces a major source of lag. On a core i7 PC converting the audio to AAC takes less than 2 minutes on most videos. The video is left untouched - it is not re-encoded.
How to use Avidemux:
In the VIDEO drop down box select: COPY
In the AUDIO drop down box select: AAC
in the CONFIGURE box select a bitrate: 160 or whatever you prefer.
In the FILTERS box select Stereo for the Mixdown. (Why stereo? If you are listening through two speakers keep it simple - two channels are fastest to decode.)
In the FORMAT box select MP4.
In the FILE menu select SAVE then SAVE VIDEO and name your video with an MP4 extension. It will begin converting and will likely take only a couple of minutes on a fast machine.
Now you may find that your video plays fast enough to be acceptable over BT. I still find a faint lag noticeable even with full hardware decoding of audio.
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Lets run a triathlon to! Hahaha, just to get synced audio to work, so much work. Things should just work they are supposed to. Shouldn't they?

Digital Man said:
If it makes you feel any better this problem is universal across multiple devices. It drives me crazy. It is present on the Transformer prime, TF300 Acer a510 and my Excite 7.7 even though these devices use different BT radios and different BT versions. I have heard people claim that some of these devices don't have video slowdown with BT. They do. Its subtle in some cases and might be overlooked but its there.
I have to assume it is OS related or Tegra related as these are the only things these devices have in common. I have found no way to completely minimize the slowdown in video. I have gone back to using wired headphones for video and BT for music and audio only where sync isn't a factor.
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You sure all these devices use different radios or wifi/bt chipsets? The TF700 uses the BCM4329, a very common (and now pretty cheap) chipset that does Wifi, BT (2.1 EDR only) and FM. I'd guess a lot of other Tegra 3 devices uses that one as well. If they'd gone with the BCM4330 they would have BT 4.0 and probably 5GHz wifi as well. The BCM4329 supports this, but it requires antennas for it.
According to someone from Asus (someone here mentioned they'd contacted support about it) BT and wifi shares antennas (makes sense, they're both in the same frequency range) which can cause a lot of interference which leads to abysmal performance, especially for the wifi.
All I know for sure is I'll stick to wired headphones with this tablet...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2

Einride said:
You sure all these devices use different radios or wifi/bt chipsets? The TF700 uses the BCM4329, a very common (and now pretty cheap) chipset that does Wifi, BT (2.1 EDR only) and FM. I'd guess a lot of other Tegra 3 devices uses that one as well. If they'd gone with the BCM4330 they would have BT 4.0 and probably 5GHz wifi as well. The BCM4329 supports this, but it requires antennas for it.
According to someone from Asus (someone here mentioned they'd contacted support about it) BT and wifi shares antennas (makes sense, they're both in the same frequency range) which can cause a lot of interference which leads to abysmal performance, especially for the wifi.
All I know for sure is I'll stick to wired headphones with this tablet...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
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So it doesn't bother you at all dropping half or more of thousand US dollars on a tablet you can't use wifi and bluetooth correctly? It is this type of atitude that makes Asus get away with things like this and not want to make better products. If they know people will just continue to buy their products, even with known defects and issues, they're not going to change anything except charge higher prices for you to pay. So sad.

Hi,
i will try the trick and change audio stream, just because i want to know if it gets any better.
I am not going to do this every time I know I'll watch a movie on my infinity.
Fortunately my bluetooth speaker also has a line-in jack, so i have a workaround, but i could do that on any f*****.. speaker also. Wouldn't need a bluetooth one
Anyway, just wanted to let everyone interested know, that i have tried same movie with wifi on and off - same result.
This means, yes BT and WIFI share antenna, but if that would be a primary problem, wouldn't it be only logical that when wifi is off, bluetooth gets better. And vice versa. Well, for me that is not the case, which means there is an obvious SW problem. Could be Asus, could be Android. That's the main question here now.
Did this problem get any better with custom roms on TF300?
Thx

opentoe said:
So it doesn't bother you at all dropping half or more of thousand US dollars on a tablet you can't use wifi and bluetooth correctly? It is this type of atitude that makes Asus get away with things like this and not want to make better products. If they know people will just continue to buy their products, even with known defects and issues, they're not going to change anything except charge higher prices for you to pay. So sad.
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No, it does bother me, just not enough to RMA it. I pretty much just use wired headphones at the moment so I can live with it.
I could complain to Asus directly through their support form, but the last time I complained about I/O issues and ANR messages when browsing they suggested I enable software rendering in Internet Explorer 9.
I could RMA it, wait for months and then receive a tablet with the exact same flaw. Unless Asus can say that they've fixed the issue and you can get it replaced within days, I'm not RMA-ing anything. And that's not very likely to happen, is it?

Mixed results
So after reading this thread I decided to try it. I tried it with my bluetooth sound bar and netflix was stuttering, it would have to buffer and when it worked the video was choppy but the sound on the soundbar was fine. But then when I tried it with mine jay bird bluetooth headphones it works seamlessly kind of weird how one Bluetooth device wouldn't work but another one would.

hslsurfer said:
So after reading this thread I decided to try it. I tried it with my bluetooth sound bar and netflix was stuttering, it would have to buffer and when it worked the video was choppy but the sound on the soundbar was fine. But then when I tried it with mine jay bird bluetooth headphones it works seamlessly kind of weird how one Bluetooth device wouldn't work but another one would.
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Bluetooth has been screwed up on so many devices for so long - with video slowdown on every Tegra based device I have owned - but it hasn't gotten a lot of attention. So I'm glad to see that it bugs other people too.
This problem was present even on my Tegra 2 based Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Motorola Xoom. So I've been pretty surprised to find exactly the same problem on the latest generation of devices.
It bothered me so much I took an sd card with videos and my BT headset down to Best Buy and Microcenter and tried every device they had, with the intention of buying the one that didn't demonstrate Video slowdown when listening through BT headphones. There weren't any.
I will say that with the Jaybird Freedom BT headset the problem is almost imperceptible, but when you switch to wired heaphones, you CAN notice the difference.Videos run faster and smoother. With BT there is just the slightest general slowdown which I find distracting.
Custom ROMs have never solved the problem for me either. Overclocking has also been suggested, but the TF700 should have a fast enough processor to handle anything I would think. So I kind of think the OS is to blame.
I've learned to love wired headphones and speakers again. I keep telling myself the audio quality is better anyway, while I try not to trip over the headset cord and flip my tablet across the room....

Does the iPad use the BCM4330 chipet? I know it features Bluetooth 4.0. It is ironic that Apple cheapens out on the camera, storage space, and connectivity, but gives a superior wifi/bluetooth chipset. I would be curious what the price difference between the two chipsets is. You would think Asus would be want to be competitive and advertise Bluetooth 4.0. The standard has existed for 2 years.

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Does the iPad use the BCM4330 chipet? I know it features Bluetooth 4.0. It is ironic that Apple cheapens out on the camera, storage space, and connectivity, but gives a superior wifi/bluetooth chipset. I would be curious what the price difference between the two chipsets is. You would think Asus would be want to be competitive and advertise Bluetooth 4.0. The standard has existed for 2 years.
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There'll always be the tf800, lol

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So I tried this last night. Here are my results:
Wifi speed with BT off and no streaming: 9.6-9.8 Mbps.
Wifi speed with BT off and streaming music on Google Play: 9.5-9.7 Mbps
Wifi speed with BT on and streaming music on Google Play: 9.5-9.7 Mbps
Wifi speed with BT on and streaming music on Google Play to Jambox: 9.5-9.7 Mbps
Thus I concluded that streaming music over BT to a speaker or headset had no problems or slow downs at all. So I decided to test with video. For this I used Amazon Prime Instant Video.
Wifi speed with BT off and no streaming: 9.6-9.8 Mbps.
Wifi speed with BT off and streaming video on APIV: 6.5-7.8 Mbps
Wifi speed with BT on and streaming video on APIV: 6.5-7.8 Mbps
Wifi speed with BT on and streaming video on APIV with audio going to Jambox: 6.7-7.9 Mbps
Now I think that the BT + streaming final test result being faster was not significant. I ran it at least 3 times to confirm and it was within those limits.
So at least for my personal copy of the Infinity, I am not seeing a WiFi slowdown while streaming over BT. I don't have 40+ Mbps internet, so maybe the slowdown is only at very high speeds and high radio power requirements.
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Here are some tests that I posted in another thread.

Splaktar said:
Here are some tests that I posted in another thread.
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Just to add another data point. My Prime will stream movies with Bluetooth with no sync issues or excessive buffering and has been like that since the day I got it. I'm unlocked and running a custom ROM (AW2.1). My Prime's WiFi is pretty solid (for a prime LOL) and my GPS is DOA.
I have been a big bluetooth audio fan (I stay up late watching movies frequently but am courteous to the rest of the family) for a while and one thing I have found is some headphones lag no matter what is transmitting. A reviewer will very often not notice it if they just listen to music. I've been using my GOgroove Wireless AirBands as my TF201 'phones, FWIW.

It's not an OS or hardware thing, it's a bluetooth thing. Some apps (like Youtube) simply compensate for this audio lag when using bluetooth (and Airplay as well, btw). You can see it yourself, when you pause the youtube video, it will take a fraction of a second for the sound to pause. I haven't seen an A2DP connection (on iOS as well) that didn't have this lag. Video apps need to compensate for it (Netflix did too, at least for iOS and Airplay, don't know for bluetooth either on iOS or Android), so different players may have this problem or not.
What it's worse for though, is for games. That jambox video where the guy is playing a game is just BS.

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Just to add another data point. My Prime will stream movies with Bluetooth with no sync issues or excessive buffering and has been like that since the day I got it. I'm unlocked and running a custom ROM (AW2.1). My Prime's WiFi is pretty solid (for a prime LOL) and my GPS is DOA.
I have been a big bluetooth audio fan (I stay up late watching movies frequently but am courteous to the rest of the family) for a while and one thing I have found is some headphones lag no matter what is transmitting. A reviewer will very often not notice it if they just listen to music. I've been using my GOgroove Wireless AirBands as my TF201 'phones, FWIW.
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I hade the prime too.
I have two sony bluetooth music headsets (the mw600 and the hbh-ds220). Both were working with the prime without any problem.
Now with my new tf700 i get stuttering when listening to google music. The music is buffered on the tf700 and it even happens when i have no internet connection. So i don't think it's an antenna problem at all.
i also noticed lag when using bsplayer and youtube when i tried to connect the tf700 to my beamer and stream the audio via bluetooth. bsplayer was worse but i noticed it also in the youtube app. I don't know if it would start stuttering too as i disconnected bluetooth immediatly.
I think the stuttering was a little bit less when i go on max performance. But that's just a subjective opinion.
I think it's a problem with the bluetooth chip itself and thus i have to send it back...

Anyone know if the Jelly Bean update for the TF300 fixed this?

FYI, Asus tech support told me that the bluetooth audio lag issues "will be improved" in a future OTA. I read that as "not completely fixed" so I returned (sniff sniff) my TF700 today while I still could.

No lag on video with Bluetooth on a Toshiba AT105–T1032 Thrive.

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No lag on video with Bluetooth on a Toshiba AT105–T1032 Thrive.
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Yeah, none on my SGS3 or iPad2 (BT 2.1 even), but I really wanted an integral keyboard with extra battery for those long flights to Asia.
Kinda hoping the Lenovo S2110 can fit the ticket, but might wait for another round of processors...

Twitch streaming performance

So I searched the forum for 'Twitch' and wasn't able to find anything, and I'm seeing spotty answers to whether or not the MK 808/9 can handle streaming from Twitch.tv. I'm OK with fiddling with firmware as well as going Ethernet in order to get the results I'm after, but can anyone give me some real world information on how well these devices handle streaming from Twitch at 720 or 1080? I've spent a lot of time looking for solid answers to this question and I just can't seem to find anything.

u can watch 720p without a problem, but 1080p doesnt work.. too much stuttering
i increased cpu from 1200mhz to 1416mhz and its getting better, but unwatchable (maybe it works with 1.6ghz, but u will need a good cpu cooler, dunno )
so... if the twitch user streams in 1080p (or even higher) and u cant change the resolution.. you´ve got a problem.
iam using finless 1.7c firmware with 2dark4u 1080p Kernel, but im thinking in few months u can watch 1080p without a problem.
btw. 1080p Youtube videos work absolutly fine.
Edit: im using MK808