Hi,
i have bluetooth Logitech Mini Boombox speaker, and i can say i am pretty disappointed.
Listening to mp3 and music in overall is OK, of course.
The problem is with video. Both BSplayer and Dice player give me a lag when watching movies.
Very hard to watch people speak as lip syncing is off.
Can anyone with bluetooth speakers try some movie and let me know the results.
Maybe some other video player plays better. Maybe it is Boombox that has problems (but i doubt).
Thing to have in mind: i tried playing from internal storage and streaming...both audio streams lag.
Aslo: the new firmware doesn't help.
Is this maybe normal for Android in overall? Shouldn't be.
Thx
Check out this thread maybe it can help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787662&highlight=blue+tooth
Svashtar said:
Hi,
i have bluetooth Logitech Mini Boombox speaker, and i can say i am pretty disappointed.
Listening to mp3 and music in overall is OK, of course.
The problem is with video. Both BSplayer and Dice player give me a lag when watching movies.
Very hard to watch people speak as lip syncing is off.
Can anyone with bluetooth speakers try some movie and let me know the results.
Maybe some other video player plays better. Maybe it is Boombox that has problems (but i doubt).
Thing to have in mind: i tried playing from internal storage and streaming...both audio streams lag.
Aslo: the new firmware doesn't help.
Is this maybe normal for Android in overall? Shouldn't be.
Thx
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If it makes you feel any better this problem is universal across multiple devices. It drives me crazy. It is present on the Transformer prime, TF300 Acer a510 and my Excite 7.7 even though these devices use different BT radios and different BT versions. I have heard people claim that some of these devices don't have video slowdown with BT. They do. Its subtle in some cases and might be overlooked but its there.
I have to assume it is OS related or Tegra related as these are the only things these devices have in common. I have found no way to completely minimize the slowdown in video. I have gone back to using wired headphones for video and BT for music and audio only where sync isn't a factor.
Here is one thing that does help. If you are playing a video that has AC3 audio encoding (most downloaded MKV files) the delay is increased slighty because the audio decoding is done by software not hardware - the video is delayed slightly to keep it in sync with the audio as it is decoded. Over BT this delay, for whatever reason is further exagerated.
For the record: ALL video players on Android decode AC3 in software, even Diceplayer - there is NO hardware support for AC3 on the tegra 3 chip.
To speed up your video you can try this: download the free software Avidemux. Use it to convert only the audio of your MKV file to AAC. By doing this you alow both audio and video to be decoded by hardware - this reduces a major source of lag. On a core i7 PC converting the audio to AAC takes less than 2 minutes on most videos. The video is left untouched - it is not re-encoded.
How to use Avidemux:
In the VIDEO drop down box select: COPY
In the AUDIO drop down box select: AAC
in the CONFIGURE box select a bitrate: 160 or whatever you prefer.
In the FILTERS box select Stereo for the Mixdown. (Why stereo? If you are listening through two speakers keep it simple - two channels are fastest to decode.)
In the FORMAT box select MP4.
In the FILE menu select SAVE then SAVE VIDEO and name your video with an MP4 extension. It will begin converting and will likely take only a couple of minutes on a fast machine.
Now you may find that your video plays fast enough to be acceptable over BT. I still find a faint lag noticeable even with full hardware decoding of audio.
Digital Man said:
If it makes you feel any better this problem is universal across multiple devices. It drives me crazy. It is present on the Transformer prime, TF300 Acer a510 and my Excite 7.7 even though these devices use different BT radios and different BT versions. I have heard people claim that some of these devices don't have video slowdown with BT. They do. Its subtle in some cases and might be overlooked but its there.
I have to assume it is OS related or Tegra related as these are the only things these devices have in common. I have found no way to completely minimize the slowdown in video. I have gone back to using wired headphones for video and BT for music and audio only where sync isn't a factor.
Here is one thing that does help. If you are playing a video that has AC3 audio encoding (most downloaded MKV files) the delay is increased slighty because the audio decoding is done by software not hardware - the video is delayed slightly to keep it in sync with the audio as it is decoded. Over BT this delay, for whatever reason is further exagerated.
For the record: ALL video players on Android decode AC3 in software, even Diceplayer - there is NO hardware support for AC3 on the tegra 3 chip.
To speed up your video you can try this: download the free software Avidemux. Use it to convert only the audio of your MKV file to AAC. By doing this you alow both audio and video to be decoded by hardware - this reduces a major source of lag. On a core i7 PC converting the audio to AAC takes less than 2 minutes on most videos. The video is left untouched - it is not re-encoded.
How to use Avidemux:
In the VIDEO drop down box select: COPY
In the AUDIO drop down box select: AAC
in the CONFIGURE box select a bitrate: 160 or whatever you prefer.
In the FILTERS box select Stereo for the Mixdown. (Why stereo? If you are listening through two speakers keep it simple - two channels are fastest to decode.)
In the FORMAT box select MP4.
In the FILE menu select SAVE then SAVE VIDEO and name your video with an MP4 extension. It will begin converting and will likely take only a couple of minutes on a fast machine.
Now you may find that your video plays fast enough to be acceptable over BT. I still find a faint lag noticeable even with full hardware decoding of audio.
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Lets run a triathlon to! Hahaha, just to get synced audio to work, so much work. Things should just work they are supposed to. Shouldn't they?
Digital Man said:
If it makes you feel any better this problem is universal across multiple devices. It drives me crazy. It is present on the Transformer prime, TF300 Acer a510 and my Excite 7.7 even though these devices use different BT radios and different BT versions. I have heard people claim that some of these devices don't have video slowdown with BT. They do. Its subtle in some cases and might be overlooked but its there.
I have to assume it is OS related or Tegra related as these are the only things these devices have in common. I have found no way to completely minimize the slowdown in video. I have gone back to using wired headphones for video and BT for music and audio only where sync isn't a factor.
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You sure all these devices use different radios or wifi/bt chipsets? The TF700 uses the BCM4329, a very common (and now pretty cheap) chipset that does Wifi, BT (2.1 EDR only) and FM. I'd guess a lot of other Tegra 3 devices uses that one as well. If they'd gone with the BCM4330 they would have BT 4.0 and probably 5GHz wifi as well. The BCM4329 supports this, but it requires antennas for it.
According to someone from Asus (someone here mentioned they'd contacted support about it) BT and wifi shares antennas (makes sense, they're both in the same frequency range) which can cause a lot of interference which leads to abysmal performance, especially for the wifi.
All I know for sure is I'll stick to wired headphones with this tablet...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
Einride said:
You sure all these devices use different radios or wifi/bt chipsets? The TF700 uses the BCM4329, a very common (and now pretty cheap) chipset that does Wifi, BT (2.1 EDR only) and FM. I'd guess a lot of other Tegra 3 devices uses that one as well. If they'd gone with the BCM4330 they would have BT 4.0 and probably 5GHz wifi as well. The BCM4329 supports this, but it requires antennas for it.
According to someone from Asus (someone here mentioned they'd contacted support about it) BT and wifi shares antennas (makes sense, they're both in the same frequency range) which can cause a lot of interference which leads to abysmal performance, especially for the wifi.
All I know for sure is I'll stick to wired headphones with this tablet...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
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So it doesn't bother you at all dropping half or more of thousand US dollars on a tablet you can't use wifi and bluetooth correctly? It is this type of atitude that makes Asus get away with things like this and not want to make better products. If they know people will just continue to buy their products, even with known defects and issues, they're not going to change anything except charge higher prices for you to pay. So sad.
Hi,
i will try the trick and change audio stream, just because i want to know if it gets any better.
I am not going to do this every time I know I'll watch a movie on my infinity.
Fortunately my bluetooth speaker also has a line-in jack, so i have a workaround, but i could do that on any f*****.. speaker also. Wouldn't need a bluetooth one
Anyway, just wanted to let everyone interested know, that i have tried same movie with wifi on and off - same result.
This means, yes BT and WIFI share antenna, but if that would be a primary problem, wouldn't it be only logical that when wifi is off, bluetooth gets better. And vice versa. Well, for me that is not the case, which means there is an obvious SW problem. Could be Asus, could be Android. That's the main question here now.
Did this problem get any better with custom roms on TF300?
Thx
opentoe said:
So it doesn't bother you at all dropping half or more of thousand US dollars on a tablet you can't use wifi and bluetooth correctly? It is this type of atitude that makes Asus get away with things like this and not want to make better products. If they know people will just continue to buy their products, even with known defects and issues, they're not going to change anything except charge higher prices for you to pay. So sad.
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No, it does bother me, just not enough to RMA it. I pretty much just use wired headphones at the moment so I can live with it.
I could complain to Asus directly through their support form, but the last time I complained about I/O issues and ANR messages when browsing they suggested I enable software rendering in Internet Explorer 9.
I could RMA it, wait for months and then receive a tablet with the exact same flaw. Unless Asus can say that they've fixed the issue and you can get it replaced within days, I'm not RMA-ing anything. And that's not very likely to happen, is it?
Mixed results
So after reading this thread I decided to try it. I tried it with my bluetooth sound bar and netflix was stuttering, it would have to buffer and when it worked the video was choppy but the sound on the soundbar was fine. But then when I tried it with mine jay bird bluetooth headphones it works seamlessly kind of weird how one Bluetooth device wouldn't work but another one would.
hslsurfer said:
So after reading this thread I decided to try it. I tried it with my bluetooth sound bar and netflix was stuttering, it would have to buffer and when it worked the video was choppy but the sound on the soundbar was fine. But then when I tried it with mine jay bird bluetooth headphones it works seamlessly kind of weird how one Bluetooth device wouldn't work but another one would.
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Bluetooth has been screwed up on so many devices for so long - with video slowdown on every Tegra based device I have owned - but it hasn't gotten a lot of attention. So I'm glad to see that it bugs other people too.
This problem was present even on my Tegra 2 based Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Motorola Xoom. So I've been pretty surprised to find exactly the same problem on the latest generation of devices.
It bothered me so much I took an sd card with videos and my BT headset down to Best Buy and Microcenter and tried every device they had, with the intention of buying the one that didn't demonstrate Video slowdown when listening through BT headphones. There weren't any.
I will say that with the Jaybird Freedom BT headset the problem is almost imperceptible, but when you switch to wired heaphones, you CAN notice the difference.Videos run faster and smoother. With BT there is just the slightest general slowdown which I find distracting.
Custom ROMs have never solved the problem for me either. Overclocking has also been suggested, but the TF700 should have a fast enough processor to handle anything I would think. So I kind of think the OS is to blame.
I've learned to love wired headphones and speakers again. I keep telling myself the audio quality is better anyway, while I try not to trip over the headset cord and flip my tablet across the room....
Does the iPad use the BCM4330 chipet? I know it features Bluetooth 4.0. It is ironic that Apple cheapens out on the camera, storage space, and connectivity, but gives a superior wifi/bluetooth chipset. I would be curious what the price difference between the two chipsets is. You would think Asus would be want to be competitive and advertise Bluetooth 4.0. The standard has existed for 2 years.
Cleanskinned said:
Does the iPad use the BCM4330 chipet? I know it features Bluetooth 4.0. It is ironic that Apple cheapens out on the camera, storage space, and connectivity, but gives a superior wifi/bluetooth chipset. I would be curious what the price difference between the two chipsets is. You would think Asus would be want to be competitive and advertise Bluetooth 4.0. The standard has existed for 2 years.
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There'll always be the tf800, lol
Splaktar said:
So I tried this last night. Here are my results:
Wifi speed with BT off and no streaming: 9.6-9.8 Mbps.
Wifi speed with BT off and streaming music on Google Play: 9.5-9.7 Mbps
Wifi speed with BT on and streaming music on Google Play: 9.5-9.7 Mbps
Wifi speed with BT on and streaming music on Google Play to Jambox: 9.5-9.7 Mbps
Thus I concluded that streaming music over BT to a speaker or headset had no problems or slow downs at all. So I decided to test with video. For this I used Amazon Prime Instant Video.
Wifi speed with BT off and no streaming: 9.6-9.8 Mbps.
Wifi speed with BT off and streaming video on APIV: 6.5-7.8 Mbps
Wifi speed with BT on and streaming video on APIV: 6.5-7.8 Mbps
Wifi speed with BT on and streaming video on APIV with audio going to Jambox: 6.7-7.9 Mbps
Now I think that the BT + streaming final test result being faster was not significant. I ran it at least 3 times to confirm and it was within those limits.
So at least for my personal copy of the Infinity, I am not seeing a WiFi slowdown while streaming over BT. I don't have 40+ Mbps internet, so maybe the slowdown is only at very high speeds and high radio power requirements.
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Here are some tests that I posted in another thread.
Splaktar said:
Here are some tests that I posted in another thread.
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Just to add another data point. My Prime will stream movies with Bluetooth with no sync issues or excessive buffering and has been like that since the day I got it. I'm unlocked and running a custom ROM (AW2.1). My Prime's WiFi is pretty solid (for a prime LOL) and my GPS is DOA.
I have been a big bluetooth audio fan (I stay up late watching movies frequently but am courteous to the rest of the family) for a while and one thing I have found is some headphones lag no matter what is transmitting. A reviewer will very often not notice it if they just listen to music. I've been using my GOgroove Wireless AirBands as my TF201 'phones, FWIW.
It's not an OS or hardware thing, it's a bluetooth thing. Some apps (like Youtube) simply compensate for this audio lag when using bluetooth (and Airplay as well, btw). You can see it yourself, when you pause the youtube video, it will take a fraction of a second for the sound to pause. I haven't seen an A2DP connection (on iOS as well) that didn't have this lag. Video apps need to compensate for it (Netflix did too, at least for iOS and Airplay, don't know for bluetooth either on iOS or Android), so different players may have this problem or not.
What it's worse for though, is for games. That jambox video where the guy is playing a game is just BS.
zenaxe said:
Just to add another data point. My Prime will stream movies with Bluetooth with no sync issues or excessive buffering and has been like that since the day I got it. I'm unlocked and running a custom ROM (AW2.1). My Prime's WiFi is pretty solid (for a prime LOL) and my GPS is DOA.
I have been a big bluetooth audio fan (I stay up late watching movies frequently but am courteous to the rest of the family) for a while and one thing I have found is some headphones lag no matter what is transmitting. A reviewer will very often not notice it if they just listen to music. I've been using my GOgroove Wireless AirBands as my TF201 'phones, FWIW.
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I hade the prime too.
I have two sony bluetooth music headsets (the mw600 and the hbh-ds220). Both were working with the prime without any problem.
Now with my new tf700 i get stuttering when listening to google music. The music is buffered on the tf700 and it even happens when i have no internet connection. So i don't think it's an antenna problem at all.
i also noticed lag when using bsplayer and youtube when i tried to connect the tf700 to my beamer and stream the audio via bluetooth. bsplayer was worse but i noticed it also in the youtube app. I don't know if it would start stuttering too as i disconnected bluetooth immediatly.
I think the stuttering was a little bit less when i go on max performance. But that's just a subjective opinion.
I think it's a problem with the bluetooth chip itself and thus i have to send it back...
Anyone know if the Jelly Bean update for the TF300 fixed this?
FYI, Asus tech support told me that the bluetooth audio lag issues "will be improved" in a future OTA. I read that as "not completely fixed" so I returned (sniff sniff) my TF700 today while I still could.
No lag on video with Bluetooth on a Toshiba AT105–T1032 Thrive.
flhthemi said:
No lag on video with Bluetooth on a Toshiba AT105–T1032 Thrive.
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Yeah, none on my SGS3 or iPad2 (BT 2.1 even), but I really wanted an integral keyboard with extra battery for those long flights to Asia.
Kinda hoping the Lenovo S2110 can fit the ticket, but might wait for another round of processors...
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I have Core Player and love it's steaming capabilities. Doesn't skip and has plenty of feature to customize. The problem I'm running into is playing videos from my SD card. I have two TV show episodes loaded onto my microSD, 640x480. For some reason, Core Player skips a frame or two, sometimes, and freezes/lags for a solid 5-7 seconds other times.
I'm wondering if there are any fixes for this? What settings work best for the Core Player for the smoothest possible feedback?
Unfortunately...
This is not the answer that you want to hear (and I hope someone can prove me wrong) but you will probably will have to reencode those videos to a more CorePlayer friendly format if you want to use CorePlayer on your Raphael to play those files.
CorePlayer doesn't play nicely with H264 files yet on our Qualcomm chips. You can reencode to something like divx/xvid or wait until CorePlayer 2.0 to release sometime in 2009. They claim better hardware support will come with that version. Or you can reencode for WMP. Yeah, I know, kind of a bummer. =/
More info can be found on xda and fuzemobility. I think there is an xda thread started by k9tim regarding this issue if you want to read up on it.
One thing that helped for non H264 files was to increase the buffer size tenfold and decrease video quality to Medium or Low for better framerates. Didn't help me for H264 files but it did help me with some mpegs. I hope someone can prove me wrong.
Posted from my Fuze
I watch movies and tv shows in xvid and divx with 1.25, default settings, high quality, with absolutey no slow downs at all. What exactly are you trying to play?
dogyo01 said:
This is not the answer that you want to hear (and I hope someone can prove me wrong) but you will probably will have to reencode those videos to a more CorePlayer friendly format if you want to use CorePlayer on your Raphael to play those files.
CorePlayer doesn't play nicely with H264 files yet on our Qualcomm chips. You can reencode to something like divx/xvid or wait until CorePlayer 2.0 to release sometime in 2009. They claim better hardware support will come with that version. Or you can reencode for WMP. Yeah, I know, kind of a bummer. =/
More info can be found on xda and fuzemobility. I think there is an xda thread started by k9tim regarding this issue if you want to read up on it.
One thing that helped for non H264 files was to increase the buffer size tenfold and decrease video quality to Medium or Low for better framerates. Didn't help me for H264 files but it did help me with some mpegs. I hope someone can prove me wrong.
Posted from my Fuze
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Well, you're right - It's certainly not good news. But the bold'd part made it that much better, so it evens out
As far as the info goes, I really appreciate it. It's really no problem for me to leave my computer on overnight with a whole queue of files to re-encode. It'd suck if I was trying to get other things done too, but a fan on high and a few solid hours overnight should (hopefully) take care of these issues. Thanks again.
joeh4x said:
I watch movies and tv shows in xvid and divx with 1.25, default settings, high quality, with absolutey no slow downs at all. What exactly are you trying to play?
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You, or anyone else who reads this and has zero issues with playback, wouldn't happen to have drivers from this post installed, would you?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2892184&postcount=357
I'm wondering if that's the issue - different drivers on different phones. I have a stock ROM Alltel HTC Touch Pro, with no real desire to upgrade/flash/change the PRL. I ***LOVE*** it the way it is and probably won't be getting a different phone for 3-4 years. 99.8% perfect in my book (with potential factored in, too)
I have a stock Fuze and can get good playback.
Again it all depends on the source files your trying to play. Some of my trilinear and high quality audio encoded files chop / lag every 60th frame or so but at high quality its worth it. Medium quality it does not slow down too much. Most play smoothly till high action in which case they will slow a little.
Increasing the buffer and playing with the method of drawing can increase your quality. If I was not half asleep and my phone in the other room (wife asleep) I would check my settings. If I remember I will post them in the morning. Most of them have not been changed though.
sovrce said:
You, or anyone else who reads this and has zero issues with playback, wouldn't happen to have drivers from this post installed, would you?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2892184&postcount=357
I'm wondering if that's the issue - different drivers on different phones. I have a stock ROM Alltel HTC Touch Pro, with no real desire to upgrade/flash/change the PRL. I ***LOVE*** it the way it is and probably won't be getting a different phone for 3-4 years. 99.8% perfect in my book (with potential factored in, too)
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I have those drivers installed AND playback issues. But you should install them anyway.
I'm working out some methods of encoding at the moment and will get back to you. I tried to fight the transcoding, but am starting to give in. The device just doesn't have a lot of headroom as far as playing videos, with currently available players.
Any other thoughts on this or are we all just waiting on the next Core Player update?
Did installing the drivers help you at all?
Hi,
I just got my Xoom 3G 2 days ago, pretty nice stuff, but having some problem with audio quality over HDMI.
I played high quality MP3 on Xoom, connected to home cinema receiver via HDMI ,and realized that sounds really flat. Like a cheap stereo from the 80's.
Tried to boost the audio with an installed `Equalizer` app, boosted bass and fine tuned the equalizer settings, but doesn't help.
Same MP3 sounds great on a hardware Media Player connected to same home cinema.
Funny thing is,that sound quality is much better via headphone on Xoom. Really no complaint about that. So the DSP couldn't be too bad quality at all...
But over HDMI, is really mess.
Any idea how to improve audio quality via HDMI??
Cheers,
G.
Been lots of people complaining about it for a long time now. The HDMI audio sucks and they dont seem to be interested in fixing it unfortunately.
Yesterday I tried testing a HD Xvid video, again via HDMI port on Xoom and connected to home cinema. No problem with that, almost same audio quality like from a hardware Media Player.
So, only the MP3's quality is very poor. DSP should be OK, but it must be a software/programming error around encoding MP3's...
Same problem here. very flat sound on all music files and all video's. there is no difference in video quality, format etc. also while playing games the sound output is the same flat and to high treble.
I cant use the xoom for watching movies like this.
I read something about it be fixed in ICS android 4.0 can someone from the US having the 4.0 allready confirm that it is fixed?
Also wondering if the xoom 2 does or does not have this problem.
It is fixed in Android 4.0. I've tested it using my own 4.0.3 builds. I haven't tested it with EOS recently, but I believe it would be fixed there as well.
It depends on the nature of the problem. Is it a aosp issue, a xoom issue, or a Eos issue. Personally, I believe there is much we can do to clean up audio. Audio is always a complex issue.. Especially when exporting audio to outputs like HDMI or a2dp.
Just updates to.stock 4.04 and can tell you guys the audio is still not fixed. Don't know why but the eu version doesn't seem to have gotten the audio fix over hdmi.
Well, I allready descided this is my last Motorola product. So I don't care anymore. Due to the lack off support and the terrible bugs in the software. I never use my xoom anymore.
It's sad how poor Motorola supports their devices outside the US
regards sygys
Gary Key/ASUS:
I was hoping that you could come on here and address the Wifi/Bluetooth issues that the Infinity has...the same issues that the TFP and 300T also suffer from. ASUS has been quick to address some issues lately, such as the I/O problem, so I was hoping there could be some dialog about the progress or outlook for this issue too.
The issue I am talking about, just in case someone might not have heard, is the issue with the BT and Wifi where the Wifi connection degrades to nearly unusable, or drops out entirely, when you are connected and streaming data to a device via BT. Some examples of this would be playing Pandora and streaming to Bluetooth headphones, or even out to your Home Theatre receiver. When I do this, my internet connection drops from 24Mbps to 2.5Mbps, and then it trails off from there as I let Pandora/IheartRadio/Streaming Radio play...there are intermittent cutouts, the speed trails down to under 1Mbps, and then at some point completely shuts down the Wifi. Personally this is my biggest issue with this tablet, and it was the only reason I returned my TFP(3x), and it is especially frustrating given how lacking the stock speaker on the Infinity is...the tablet volume doesn't get 'loud', and the speaker is facing away from me.
So given the recent firmware update addressing and fixing some of the Infinity's issues, I was hoping you could update us about the progress or prognosis for this BT/Wifi issue...is this something that will ever be fixed, or is this something that Transformer 300T/Prime/Infinity owners need to accept??
My other question, which is more important IMO is...since I think I know the answer to the above question...is there any chance that you can have ASUS add support for USB BT dongles?? This was recently discussed in another thread, with someone questioning whether or not a USB BT dongle could be plugged into the keyboard USB port, and be used for the BT so that it is used instead of the internal BT, therefore bandaiding out of the issue and being able to use BT without having the Wifi dropout. I have tried it, and presently the dongle is not recognized, and I could not find any apps anywhere to get it to work...unfortunately. If I were able to get this to work...either internally or via dongle(sucks having to settle)...I would have ZERO issues with my Infinity, but as of right now this is still a huge issue for me and I am still contemplating returning it and waiting for something that works as it should.
I know you are a busy man, and I appreciate the work you do and how you personally address customers and there issues on here, and I am just respectfully asking you if you could revisit this issue...this time for the Infinity. And especially address the dongle workaround.
Thank you.
G
From what I read it is hardware issue.
wifi and BT sharing same antenna.
lardo5150 said:
From what I read it is hardware issue.
wifi and BT sharing same antenna.
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I have read the same, and given that the issues persist with the Prime 8 months after release, I don't expect it to be fixed...but would like to see the issue addressed a bit further.
But really the thread should have been titled something more like 'Attn: Gary K/ASUS: Please add USB BT Dongle support'...as that is the more important part of this thread, as I am fairly certain that if this could be fixed with the hardware 'as-is', it would already have been on the Prime and 300T. The thread is more of a request for dongle support...dongles are less than $5 on eBay, and I would be happy to plug one into my USB port when I want to stream via BT to headphones/stereo, if that is what I have to do to maintain my Wifi connection speed and avoid fallout.
lardo5150 said:
From what I read it is hardware issue.
wifi and BT sharing same antenna.
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Almost all devices have BT and wifi share an antenna.
I can confirm the WiFi issue.
My wifi goes from max (full blue) signal to a grey wifi symbol. When it does, I have to disconnect wifi and reconnect and it works again for some time.
I haven't used BT yet.
iPad 3's are affected by this problem as well.
I think it has something to do with Bluetooth and Wifi transmitting off the same 2.4GHz spectrum. Try adjusting your router settings as according to what these folks did to resolve their issue.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3813436?start=0&tstart=0
Lets hope Gary from Asus is also looking into the OTA issues that some of the TF700's are having. This OTA thing is something most stand tablet customers are not expecting nor would they be likely to find a site like XDA there at least some user solutions are available.
the_game_master said:
iPad 3's are affected by this problem as well.
I think it has something to do with Bluetooth and Wifi transmitting off the same 2.4GHz spectrum. Try adjusting your router settings as according to what these folks did to resolve their issue.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3813436?start=0&tstart=0
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My wife's iPad3 has no issues with this but my infinity does. And we sit in the same room.
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Eroc162 said:
My wife's iPad3 has no issues with this but my infinity does. And we sit in the same room.
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
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Is your wife doing exactly what you're trying to do on your Infinity, that is stream video over wifi with the device while listening to the audio over paired Bluetooth?
How is your router setup at home? Are you broadcasting b/g/n?
the_game_master said:
Is your wife doing exactly what you're trying to do on your Infinity, that is stream video over wifi with the device while listening to the audio over paired Bluetooth?
How is your router setup at home? Are you broadcasting b/g/n?
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I tried my infinity watching Netflix and listening to my jambox. Low resolution and choppy then stops. Then I took my wife's ipad3 and did the samething. Perfect. I have a Linksys E4200v2 with 9dbi antennas and I was 5 feet away from my router which since I called Comcast about my connection has improved to 32mbps. I set my wifi to 2.4ghz only, N only, 20-40mhz and wpa2 security. I sent the infinity back to B&H for a refund. Figured it was hardware problem. I will be buying another one but I do feel hesitant which isn't a good thing. I like the Infinity but I want to be able to watch and listen to music without choppy sound and resolution. For $600 that's what I want from my Infinity. I will try with the next one.
I tried channel 1,6 & 11 but I got better performance from auto
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I can't believe more people aren't concerned with this issue, esp given how inept the onboard speaker is.
I'm having the same problem and think it should be addressed too.
I found my bt dongles but I hope if they do come up with something that its a nice half moon shaped Bluetooth dongle that fits along side the dock because the one I have sticks out like a sore thumb
1/2 inch.
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Eroc162 said:
I tried my infinity watching Netflix and listening to my jambox. Low resolution and choppy then stops. Then I took my wife's ipad3 and did the samething. Perfect. I have a Linksys E4200v2 with 9dbi antennas and I was 5 feet away from my router which since I called Comcast about my connection has improved to 32mbps. I set my wifi to 2.4ghz only, N only, 20-40mhz and wpa2 security. I sent the infinity back to B&H for a refund. Figured it was hardware problem. I will be buying another one but I do feel hesitant which isn't a good thing. I like the Infinity but I want to be able to watch and listen to music without choppy sound and resolution. For $600 that's what I want from my Infinity. I will try with the next one.
I tried channel 1,6 & 11 but I got better performance from auto
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
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Dude, I hear you loud and clear! I've been taking heat for months trying to just warn people about this but everyone who is in denial just comes back and says nothing is wrong. The people in denial will just tell you their tablet is perfect and everything plays perfect. Just before, sitting outside trying to watch some old TV shows on Netflix and couldn't get 10 seconds of clear video when using a small external BT speaker. MAN that is just frustrating. And YES, my ipad does NOT have this issue. My connection speed goes from 24mb/s to 1.9mb/s. I may as well just turn the tablet off. All the Asus tablets you buy will have this same problem...so when you get your new one you can test it if you like but it will have the same issue. Don't wait to long to return it.
I own a Samsung galaxy nexus and a galaxy tab 10.1. Both of the devices playback videos without Bluetooth audio lag. My newly purchased Infinity has at least a 2 second audio delay. This issue needs to be addressed now. If Asus cannot come forward with a fix, I will have to return this tablet. I do not see a dongle as an acceptable fix when my other devices don't need one.
no problems
I just got my tab 3 days ago. I watched Netflix while using a Bluetooth stereo headset with no lag audio nice and synced and great video quality.
daddydark said:
I just got my tab 3 days ago. I watched Netflix while using a Bluetooth stereo headset with no lag audio nice and synced and great video quality.
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Your lucky you have one without the defect. Yes, the Wifi/Bluetooth fallout issue has been around since the original released prime. My original prime had the issue, regardless of any sort of antenna mod. Another prime I bought sometime later didn't have any Wifi/Bluetooth fallout issue. I have went through two TF700's atm. First, had the issue along with some screen defects. I returned it. Second, no screen defects and no WIFI/Bluetooth fallout issue. My personal judgement is that its not and issue that can be fixed via any sort of software/firmware fix. I believe it is hardware. Something to do with the quality of chips they are using or something else (my guess). Asus has not come clean on the issue and I don't think they ever will. My advice would be to return the tablet and try another. GL
daddydark said:
I just got my tab 3 days ago. I watched Netflix while using a Bluetooth stereo headset with no lag audio nice and synced and great video quality.
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Ditto. I am streaming Netflix right now to my LG bluetooth headphones. Zero lag and zero dropout. I was not able to do this with the Prime.
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So, I'm guessing you guys can watch YouTube without audio lag too? Looks like mine is going back.
Interesting. I just tried it. Youtube lagged considerably. Audio and video were not in sync. Went back to Netflix - watching Jim Gaffigan stand-up comedy and audio and video were perfectly in sync.
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Has anyone else noticed a delay in audio played over bluetooth? Trying to figure out if it's something software related, or if it's just UConnect in my Dart. Not that it really matters all that much, since the only thing i really ever use bluetooth for is phone calls... but occasionally if i'm sitting in the car waiting for something, like food, i'll watch a video. But if i play the audio over bluetooth, it's delayed by a second or two.
Actually, I've noticed the opposite. The delay is much shorter than I experienced on other handsets (most recently HTC One X), making video almost watchable with sound via A2DP.
There is always an element of buffering with Bluetooth audio, perhaps different devices combined with different bit rates affect the length of the buffer?
What I find annoying is the the controls on my Bluetooth headset do not work while the Nexus screen is off.
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Actually, I've noticed the opposite. The delay is much shorter than I experienced on other handsets (most recently HTC One X), making video almost watchable with sound via A2DP.
There is always an element of buffering with Bluetooth audio, perhaps different devices combined with different bit rates affect the length of the buffer?
What I find annoying is the the controls on my Bluetooth headset do not work while the Nexus screen is off.
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Strange, the controls on my bluetooth car stereo work with the Nexus screen off just fine. I also notice a much shorter delay than the Galaxy Nexus had...
Well, as the title says... I was commonly using my note (barely a week old) and I came to notice that my wireless BOSE SoundSport works perfectly with certain apps and not with others... Pandora/Netflix and other streaming apps works find, with equalizer settings on and normal (off)... I've notice that crackle/echo sound mainly with games, games tested were CoC/Need for Speed No Limits/Real Racing 3/TWD: Season 1, 2/ and GoT: Season 1. So, to rule out any other doubts and try to see what's not working properly, I borrowed a random Apple wired earphones and everything worked perfectly. I tried a friend's BEAT's and got the same issue... so, it's definitely a BT issue... I have another BOSE set (wired) in the car that I could use in the meantime...
So, I did my extensive search before bugging you all, I did the unpair/re-pair... reset all of my network settings, tried different devices as mentioned above, rebooting the phone while paired and unpaired... so, I'm at a loss right now and baffled a bit... the earphones are about 2 months old and the phone was purchased last friday.... so both fairly new. I read that the S8's and S8+'s have similar issues, any insight from you all about this matter?
Bluetooth audio sucks. It's never worked well. I've had similar issues with every phone I've ever owned.
ShrekOpher said:
Bluetooth audio sucks. It's never worked well. I've had similar issues with every phone I've ever owned.
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Well, that doesn't sound promising... heh, I initially purchased the wireless BOSE because I was considering purchasing the iPhone X since they don't have the 3.5 mini jack. In light of that decision, iOS (Apple) has been screwing us jailbreakers since iOS 9.3.5 and I had an iPhone 6+ on iOS 8.4 JB, when I destroyed my iPhone because of obvious dated software and loss of connection "due to it", AT&T sent me a new one through the insurance program and it came with iOS 11... *shiver*... needless to say, hated the stock iPhone OS... couldn't do crap!... which ultimately forced me to move onto Android and decided to go to the Note 8. I see that the Note 8 is also a pain to root but as is, it does a lot that the iPhone doesn't. Just minor stuff that I'm use to with the iPhone that the Note isn't doing.
I do have a pair of wired BOSE earphones, so it's not like it's the end of the world, sort of got use to being without a wire tugging at me if it snags. How far does this dates with ****ty BT audio? I mean the audio is great on Pandora and other streaming service apps, it's just game apps sound terrible... I don't see why the audio chipset isn't capable to switch over without issue.
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Well, that doesn't sound promising... heh, I initially purchased the wireless BOSE because I was considering purchasing the iPhone X since they don't have the 3.5 mini jack. In light of that decision, iOS (Apple) has been screwing us jailbreakers since iOS 9.3.5 and I had an iPhone 6+ on iOS 8.4 JB, when I destroyed my iPhone because of obvious dated software and loss of connection "due to it", AT&T sent me a new one through the insurance program and it came with iOS 11... *shiver*... needless to say, hated the stock iPhone OS... couldn't do crap!... which ultimately forced me to move onto Android and decided to go to the Note 8. I see that the Note 8 is also a pain to root but as is, it does a lot that the iPhone doesn't. Just minor stuff that I'm use to with the iPhone that the Note isn't doing.
I do have a pair of wired BOSE earphones, so it's not like it's the end of the world, sort of got use to being without a wire tugging at me if it snags. How far does this dates with ****ty BT audio? I mean the audio is great on Pandora and other streaming service apps, it's just game apps sound terrible... I don't see why the audio chipset isn't capable to switch over without issue.
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Bluetooth audio in general is just lower quality that wired, even on iPhone.
If it's only having issues during the games you might want to adjust the phones performance settings to be on the highest.
Use game tuner to adjust it.
ShrekOpher said:
Bluetooth audio in general is just lower quality that wired, even on iPhone.
If it's only having issues during the games you might want to adjust the phones performance settings to be on the highest.
Use game tuner to adjust it.
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I'm not complaining about the overall audio quality of the earphones while using a wireless setting. The echo/crackle is unbearable while running a game while music streaming or movie/tv streaming apps worked flawlessly... good quality sound via BT. Looking at your attachment I don't see that option on my phone. I know there is a performance option but not like yours .
Nevermind found it in the play store. I'll mess with GameTuner and BT tomorrow.
So, I used that Game Tuner app and the stock performance mode options on the phone and still does the same thing with BT connection... funny thing is I just now let pandora playing in the background and started up a game and well, pandora played normally while the game stuttered/echoed and crackled... The game apps just dont function with BT well as far as transmitting sound... the bandwidth is probably too slow for that much information to travel over the air...?? hmmm... thought it had BT 5.0 which this wouldn't have happened... I was happy Samsung had Qualcomm do their network chip because of their quality.... don't know wtf happened there.
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So, I used that Game Tuner app and the stock performance mode options on the phone and still does the same thing with BT connection... funny thing is I just now let pandora playing in the background and started up a game and well, pandora played normally while the game stuttered/echoed and crackled... The game apps just dont function with BT well as far as transmitting sound... the bandwidth is probably too slow for that much information to travel over the air...?? hmmm... thought it had BT 5.0 which this wouldn't have happened... I was happy Samsung had Qualcomm do their network chip because of their quality.... don't know wtf happened there.
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That sounds like a game issue not a BT issue. Does it happen with all games. I have not had the same issue playing a few games I play.
ShrekOpher said:
That sounds like a game issue not a BT issue. Does it happen with all games. I have not had the same issue playing a few games I play.
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Happens with the games I have installed currently. This only happens when the BT earphones are connected not with the 3.5mm jack. Even on a BT Samsung speaker it does the same noises... What's a game you have that runs well for you?
But for sure it has to do with the gaming apps and BT together... only happens when both are working.
Ok, thread's over.... apparently something happened during the first install which caused the apps to run a muck and sound crappy.. reinstalled them and they're working after installing other random games to see if I'll get the same defective sound and they worked perfectly... and now my other games that I actually play as I'm re-installing them are working... so far. thanks
HA! not a fix, some of those games still have that issue... either wait for Samsung or used wired earphones for those games
Hello there. I've the same problem as yours. My note8 + razer hammerhead bt have cracking sound when playing need for speed no limits. How did you fix this game? Only a simple reinstall? I've reinstalled but still the same.
I've my hammerhead bt with other android phone + no limit and it worked fine! So im guessing this is a samsung problem