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http://androidspin.com/2010/07/02/open-source-3d-driver-for-snapdragon-released/
Will this mean anything for performance?
well i don't see why not. game developers should benefit from this too
Let's wait for the dev's to implement this
This should mean a performance improvement but I would not hold my breathe as to a huge improvement.
I dont really mind as I dont think a phone should be a games console.
Nekromantik said:
This should mean a performance improvement but I would not hold my breathe as to a huge improvement.
I dont really mind as I dont think a phone should be a games console.
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It's not a PSP, but a game once in a while doesn't hurt. This driver might open up some options for UIs as well and/or make them respond faster.
Open Source Kernel Driver, but Closed Source User Space Driver.
Won't help us much as much as we would like, unfortunately. Hope they'll release it fully so we all can make the best use of it.
Dave @ DRI-dev has had enough with these closed sources already :/
Just love what he's responding with:
"This is a can of worms I'd rather not enter into......"
"So you've upstreamed the kernel bits, kept the good userspace bits to yourselfs, are stroking them on your lap like some sort of Dr Evil......"
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2010-July/001828.html
and follow up:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2010-July/001829.html
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It's not a PSP, but a game once in a while doesn't hurt. This driver might open up some options for UIs as well and/or make them respond faster.
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I agree with that.
Just a few people on here were wanting Desire to be as good as IPhone 3GS for games when it does everything else better.
People just have to get used to the fact that no matter how good the graphics are it'll never be able to play games. For instance I had a game the other day which had a virtual joystick on the left and buttons on the right. Graphics were very good but sometimes lagged. But problem was when you had to run and jump, u couldn't because u can only press one button at a time. Which in my eyes is the worst flaw for the desire. How can a phone at this price in this day and age not support multitouch. What a con.
Other than that I'm happy with everything else but this is a big letdown to me and I'm sure many others.
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People just have to get used to the fact that no matter how good the graphics are it'll never be able to play games. For instance I had a game the other day which had a virtual joystick on the left and buttons on the right. Graphics were very good but sometimes lagged. But problem was when you had to run and jump, u couldn't because u can only press one button at a time. Which in my eyes is the worst flaw for the desire. How can a phone at this price in this day and age not support multitouch. What a con.
Other than that I'm happy with everything else but this is a big letdown to me and I'm sure many others.
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The Desire can happily track 2 touch points at any one time.
Games will see a vast improvement in quality once Froyo and Air based games arrive.
Just look at the game Angry Bird's, Best seller on iPhone & iPad and due to arrive on Android soon, you can see it on a Droid/Milestone here: http://www.rovio.com/index.php?mact=Blogs,cntnt01,showentry,0&cntnt01entryid=24&cntnt01returnid=58
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The Desire can happily track 2 touch points at any one time.
Games will see a vast improvement in quality once Froyo and Air based games arrive.
Just look at the game Angry Bird's, Best seller on iPhone & iPad and due to arrive on Android soon, you can see it on a Droid/Milestone here: http://www.rovio.com/index.php?mact=Blogs,cntnt01,showentry,0&cntnt01entryid=24&cntnt01returnid=58
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In theory yes it should track 2 touches but it doesn't. Trust me I've tried all sorts of games and emulators and it won't let you press more than one button at once. Try it you'll see. No updates will fix this as far as I'm aware its a hardware problem(cheap touchscreen).
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In theory yes it should track 2 touches but it doesn't. Trust me I've tried all sorts of games and emulators and it won't let you press more than one button at once. Try it you'll see. No updates will fix this as far as I'm aware its a hardware problem(cheap touchscreen).
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I did, I wrote my own app to test max touch points available (in Air 2.5) had it tracking 2 points no problem, on both 2.1 & 2.2.
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I did, I wrote my own app to test max touch points available (in Air 2.5) had it tracking 2 points no problem, on both 2.1 & 2.2.
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Yes I know about that app but like I said u try playing a game that supports multitouch and it doesn't work properly on the desire. For instance, assassins creed from gameloft had a lot of running and jumping and certain parts u need to do both at the same time yet its not possible which ended up in a lot of deaths and getting a refund. Yet the iPhone doesn't suffer from this. Maybe because it has 11 touch points.
I also hate the way every one says the desire isn't for gaming. Yet its market store has a lot of (incompatible) games. If u remember when the iPhone first came out it couldn't do anything, it didn't even have an appstore at first but now it plays amazing games. So fingers crossed, this problem will be fixed and the desire will catch-up with the games because believe it or not there are a lot of upset desire owners that want good games for the £350 phone.
gameloft are lazy. their android ports from iphone arent clean. i played real soccer on desire and it was poor. after a mazy run you are lucky to pass or score. fifa 10 on desire is a different kettle of fish. multitouch does work but not the best compaired to iphone
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In theory yes it should track 2 touches but it doesn't. Trust me I've tried all sorts of games and emulators and it won't let you press more than one button at once. Try it you'll see. No updates will fix this as far as I'm aware its a hardware problem(cheap touchscreen).
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it's a software problem, the phone can track two points but will also activate an area between those two points, this is how pinch-to-zoom works.
the solution is to include the area between the two points in the calibration for the buttons, so that you do not inadvertently activate buttons between the two that you want to press.
complicated but not impossible, they just need to properly port them
There's a developer called phhusson over at Modaco in the Acer liquid development. I think he solved the mt problem in his kernel.
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There's a developer called phhusson over at Modaco in the Acer liquid development. I think he solved the mt problem in his kernel.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTBRwgFPnC8
http://gitorious.org/~phhusson/liqu...mmit/f04fb63a17b8a50fb3ba9dfa3ee1b65eee805a1e
It's apparently fixable in the kernel. Cyanogen apparently had a fix but he never released it. Google promised as well to fix the multitouch bug on FroYo for the Nexus but I haven't heard anything else about that.
It would be nice to have the same smoothness as the iPhone, as in on interface parts.
hello,
first of all, i love follwing the tech and seeing present devices getting better with better softwares.. i own a xoom for 2 months and i really love it.. but -like most of the people here, probably- i believe the software is not fully optimized for the hardware.. in my computers i always used nvidia products, because i believe it did its job very good even when the ati competitors were better on the paper.. so here i am with a tegra 2 SoC and i cant find any game as smooth as ipad games..
now -in addition to my xoom- i was planning to buy a samsung galaxy tab 10.1 (one is for my girlfriend, one is for me but mostly to be used together) but when i was making some research, last night i found nvidia ULP and ipad 2 comparisons and could not believe the results.. ipad 2 was 2-6 times faster/better than the motorola xoom.. imeedieatly i downloaded the same tests and i ran them too and ended up with same results unfortunately.. and then i downloaded lots of high quality games and every time i ended between 20-25 FPS.. i think it is not satisfying..
i dont believe apple has the alien technology, i think the software makes the difference.. so i asked myself to questions;
"what do i plan to use my tablet for" and
"what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS comes"???
my expectations from ISC is to bring more optimisation to our devices, i cant say no to new cool feautures but first i want my existing ones to be perfect...
to be honest, i can not answer both questions... i can only answer what i want from a tablet.. and again to be honest i guess i am hungry for performance, even though i do not need it. so in every tests tegra 2 cpu beats a5, and the web pages (the first thing i want my tablet to do professionally) are super faster loading then the ipad2 ... besides i love customizable home screen definition, i love being easy to carry my media from the computer or to the computer with one cable without any software.. and i love being able to connect my hard drive so that i can give up from my laptop once i buy a bluetooth keyboard..
but my second question; what is going to happen when iOS5 and ICS here? will iOS5 catch up with android by beating it in CPU and usefullness tests too or will ICS cacth up with the smoothnes and games performance and the promises they gave?
in my country asus transformer, acer iconia a500, ipad 2 16gb, motorola xoom are same prices and samsung galaxy tab is about 40 dollars more expencive in second hands or abroad products.. so i dont care about the price here.. what i am asking is which one is going to better according to your opinion between all these devices? and which one is going to give me more development and more increase in perfection?
i am so confused and every opinion is wellcomed.. i am planning to use it mostly for web browsing as a laptop replecement, gaming, photo and video making/editing/storing and -if possible- using engineering programs like the icircuit in ipad or the autocad in galaxy s (i have it on my galaxy s but i could not run it in tablet)..
so please share) thanks..
okay...
as you are FULLY aware... we are talking apples and oranges here
1. iOS is for people who want something out of the box.. not worried about setting much up and have a billion games... for now atleast (something my grandma would like to be honest)
2. Android OS is far superior with whats under the hood and the customizations and endless tweeking...
my simple answer is... do you want something the same as every other...er... individual (*snickers* - as the ad's would have you believe).. or something that is truly your OWN device
i bet 9 out of 10 people in the xoom forum has something that is entirely unique to the next... i love this aspect... i like having something a little different.. i like to tweek untill i break it or have the best device out there.. 3/4 of the time if there is an app for the iOS there is a better app for android.. for example.. there is only crap remote mouse apps for iOS and yet i have unified remote full for android a masterpiece and i can control nearly every aspect of my computer via a remote with my android devices (yes there is splashtop HD for iOS and android but this is not always a viable solution and trust me i have both)... this is just one example as i cbf putting down the many apps i have that are better (foto tile slideshow - the live wallpaper is another AWESOME app that comes to mind)
last and not least... lets remember software for both devices are going crazy.. however now the tables have turned with android leading the way and iOS playing catch up and ice cream is going to be one hell of an update to which im pretty sure xoom will be compatible =]
i know i may have not 100% been to topic but had to express something (you did say all views were welcome lol)
I agree with the above poster...and will add that no matter what we wish, we will never have the very best, fastest,most bleeding-edge device because once we buy, there will always be something newer, faster, better, etc. IOS gives you what it wants you to have. Android lets you have (or create) what you want.
If you are rooted, with Tiamat Hammerhead Rom and the Tachi oc gpu kernel, and a launcher like ADW Ex, could the Xoom be any smoother?
It does make a difference how hands-on you want to be.
thanks for it.. you have made very good points..
i guess i am trying to look at it as computers.. when i had my desktop it was not a big deal when one of the parts was getting old/slower becuase i was able to change only that one without spending big money... but once that world (both hardware and games) got larger it got harder to follow and find the best one.. so i felt like i was lost between nvidia and ati products.. then i switched to laptops when i became more mobile in daily life and when laptops offered more graphic power.. and i always thought GPU first and the ram 2nd, and the HDD 3rd.. CPU was ok to wait.. because CPU tech is already a lot higher than todays daily process needings..
so with the same feeling i have the same reflex to go for the better GPU one.. i feel like the weaker GPU one is going to get old faster/earlier.. this scares me..
and there is also the untidyness in the android world.. there are hundreds of phones with different specs and only a few of them has the full control of every feauture android can give you.. so when you buy a cheap android phone you are not only lacking some hardware, but also being some short on the software too.. they solved this mostly by making the tegra 2 the center of the tablets and i believe ICS will bring even more tidyness to the world just like apple world.. but i still have my suspicious with ICS, because i have read an opinion here in xda, he says ; ICS is a big development for 2.3 devices not for the 3.x devices.. but i want to believe better drivers will come and help us benefit from our hardware better.. nvidia has done that before when the game crysis was out, they increased the overall performance by %10 for every 8xxx card with a new firmware..
besides i made some research and some experiments; apperiantly this ULP is first defining the need of the FPS and then setting it as a limit to keep the power comsumption low.. so even though it can go faster or produce more FPS it stays in the limit of 28 especially in the desktop while ipad can go with 60 FPS.. i guess this is excatly what makes me jealous.. because i feel like my tablet does not have power to do that...
so basicly, i do not like apple anymore after they sue everyone they see as a thread... but i also believe the complains i made (the belief of the GPU being much more worse than the ipad 2 GPU) scares me.. i put my faith on the new software before, to nokia.. and every time they have given a new software to their "smartphones" they ruined it even more.. so far, in android, everything is just going good.. every new version came with better optimizations and i want to believe it is going to be like this in the future..
i guess my opinions and fears are mostly emotional and coming from my unfortunate experiences.. but i get attached to every device of mine and i want them to be good enough and last long enough .. so i do not want to feel like i am buying something to be old so quick under the shadow of new coming kal-el and already existing apple ipad 2..
Buy a xoom and root it! You have the use of SD card, flash drives, and USB hdd's. My wife looked at the options and realized she takes photos and needs access to her camera and to her hdd she uses to store those photos. Not one other tablet can do what the xoom can do! Sure it has some flaws, but at the same time it has less of those flaws than any tablet I have tested so far. My Logitech wireless mouse works, and every other device I have at my house. One cable to do it all, not several diff things like the tab 10.1. You want a custom PC, then here it is!
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Maybe you should just be prepared to buy and sell whatever you no longer want so you can buy something new.Unfortunately none of us, except e.mote can tell the future.
I guess your points are valid considering alot if the economic uncertainty.. However one must argue that the ipad in all its glory is not a technological advancement.. Think about it.. U can do some neat things yet you cant replace a desktop with it.. Yet the Android comes so close it can almost blur the line entirely.. You can also try and get a windows 7 tab for cheaper as i was looking at these but i weighed up the usefulness and the tech side in me and now people watch me screw around with the xoom on the train and how individualistic it is and then my phone is a new avenue for full customization.. Sure they are not for all and its funny to watch the smartest people i know fumble with such a device and stick to apple babble like its the be all and get slugged a premium its great to see the sheep follow =]
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Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
_delice_doluca_ said:
Yesterday i found an ipad2 from a friend and put the xoom and the ipad on the table together and decided to make both devices very tired with my expectations.. I wanted to see which one was going to give up first (or which one i was foing to give up first ) i jailbreaked the ipad and have already rooted my xoom.. First did web experience, turned flash off and let them race .. Xoom was showing off in the beginning.. But once the tabs were more than 6 it started to slow down, on the other hand ipads slowing down was like this; wheb i cliked on a tab my waiting time extended lineerly with the quantity of tabs.. Then i looked at the photos and videos but apperiantlly itunes is tuning photos to a lower size when sending them to ipad.. So i did not like this.. Because i like to carry my stuff.. What if i wanted to carry the original sized photos to another device? Ipad failed here.. But then i nova2 in xoom, and it felt so bad.. Like 15-25 fps.. Dungeon defenders is not so different either.. But i kept testing and ipad kept failing.. Espesially in file management and easy file transferring and independence lets xoom to be the leader.. But then i learned google bought moto.. And ICS is planning for new quad core tegra3 platform or some other quad core platform with so much more powerfull gpu s.. I felt like ourtablets have been sold us ust to be temprorary leaders of the leaders.. I mean i paid this money to this tablet to have the dominant of the market when ICS is out.. But apperiantly ICS will come with new dominants.. So i will feel like i paid not only for a temprory OS but also a temprorary hardware.. I know , no hardware ia immortal but i am afraid i wont be able to have benefit of android world once the quad cores are out.. I know this hecause when i had galqxy s i was able to do anything in android world but now i have galaxy ace qnd i hardly cqn listen to rqdio akd write this at the same time.. It is lqgging as hell.. So this fear of being outdated in the very early future is taking over me.. I now understand why all the idevice owners are so cool about anything because they dont have to think about being outdated anytime.. But i have to think about overxloxking my device to play a game my galaxy s or iphone 3gs is already capqble of playing out of the box..
I love android world and i really want it to be better and i have read it was going to be 1.8 times faster and better when the ICS is out.. I want to bwlieve this but i qlso do not want my device outdated before at least, one year..
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essentially... when do u want a device... NOW or NEVER?.. there is always going to be a newer better device in the future... why did you buy your phone when u did when there are better phones out now or the future... same with your computer... same crap... if you wait for the next one you will never have anything and never enjoy the benefits of such a device... personally im happy to have a device for 12 months maybe less and grab the next newest bit... because someone else in my family will benefit form the older software and i continue with the newest gadget
This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
okantomi said:
This is my sentiment exactly. You sound like a mouse who is caught running on a treadmill. Get off and relax a bit. Enjoy your Xoom or give it to your lucky girlfriend and get something else. Personally, I've gone thru three Android tablets just since November, and I'll be keeping my Xoom for a while...there's still so much app development that needs to happen to catch up to the tablet form-factor/resolution, and to exploit tegra 2 ---it will be a while until quad cores are fully exploited, I'm sure.
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^^ exactly... this is my second tablet in less than a year and just the difference between froyo and honeycomb is astounding... i did my research before buying this tab.. in fact from my first experience i didn't want another tab at all... i despise apple products on general principle (not relevant but yeh) so it took alot of research and convincing about another tab.... i was going to buy a galaxy tab 10.1 yet upon buying it at auction i came across the xoom.. and viewed the true capabilities and noted that the galaxy tab is just a android iOS device and the xoom is a true android device and something that can fulfill my experimental side..
Just buy the iPad 2.
2 great tablets, no one needs to persuade you to use android.
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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huh, why would anyone who doesn't own any android products would even register on this site in the first place?
hammer4203 said:
Why do apple fans come into the android forums? Cuz they want more than their little crapple can do!
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i am only fan of people who develope, share, help and moreover ask to themselves and try to answer what they are doing with their devices and what they are planning to add to this in the future.. i am not fan of companies..
i know myself, i did this mistake before; i saw the 60 FPS shiny world of the iphone and when i was most bored with my lag-crazy nokia i swicthed to it (3gs) and found myself trying to buy a perfect book page by page and i was not able to choose the chapters..
when i had iphone i tried to customize the hardware limitations, unfortunately it was impossible.. then i tried to make things easier (like tried to get rid of itunes) that failed too.. and after 2 months i realised my little shiny and so called super optimized phone was lagging, this was when i learned iOS was able to lag too..
then after another failing nokia symbian update experience i tried android with galaxy s.. and that world my friend, became my addiction..
however; when i was making surfing throuh other forum sites i ran into some opinions and fears. they have become my fears too.. now i am making a summary of them in very short sentences, so i believe i will make myself more clear;
first thing like i said i always believed in every mobile device the GPU gets older first.. so, especially in my laptops i always tried to choose the better GPU over te CPU or the other specs.. and one day i was reading reviews about tegra 2 potential but then i saw ipad 2 was -sometimes- up to 5 times faster than it in graphic tests... that made me scared..
the second thing; i am fully aware of that our hardware is as valuable as its software and nokia failed me about it again and again.. one day, i found an web page which says ICS will make the performance 1.8 times better.. i assume (i want to assume) this is mostly graphic performance because CPU performance is already the best but i thing nvidia drivers needs to be optimized.. so the best thing is to wait for ICS and then decide about how android-tablet worlds growing bigger and success.. but, on the other hand, we are waiting for the tomorrows technology with yesterdays device.. this is my second fear, because i heard the quad core products are being released in this fall.. i am scared of being outdated even before i can enjoy the full performance of my xoom..
i have just shared these two fears and then realised apple owners did not have them.. so i asked here if apple is better at them.. it was not an "should i buy apple or android" topic.. but if people said "tegra 2 and honeycomb are temprory and will be history together soon and the real devices are the quad-core ones" i would go for an ipad 2 (maybe) for 6-9 months and then go back to android..
and not to forget; in my years, i have forgatten lots of device i used with their good or bad sides but i have never forgatten the people i shared knowledge and experience with.. and i am a fan of them..
I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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I do see your point to the temp issues with tegra 2, but at the same time the I pad can't do flash. There is only one thing that has failed to stop the use of my $3500 alienware laptop that is 4yrs old. It burns discs and I am in sure the xoom can use a USB DVD burner. So can the ipad2 support an external USB hdd? Can you use all of Facebook in the browser on the ipad2? Can you push the ipad2 beyond what the box says? NO! That is why I did not even look at apple. My wife does photography and apple could not supply what she demanded it to do, so I bought her a xoom too. So far I have not seen one other tablet come close to it. I took into account something new will come out later, but at the same time it will be an infant in it's release as well. Not much using dual core anyway. Apple is for the kids that can't jump off the cliff into the water. Android is for those wanting to live on the edge and beyond. I can work, play, relax, and tinker with my xoom. Ipad2 can't deliver for me at all. I really think you have to ask yourself what do you want your tablet to do?
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thank you.. i have narrowed down the equation to samsung tab 10.1 vs xoom .. i am trying to choose between them now.. i saw samurai 2 vengence and some other games and know i am so sure it is good enough as a toy too..
None of the tegra games seem to work right on honeycomb. I do like scrabble from ea. And cordy is kinda fun. Played one of the sniper games and it wasn't bad at all. Most of the games you have to buy and I just haven't found a good one I like. I wish halo reach could be done. Then I would be set!
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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I bought my Xoom for a very specific reason. At the time, it was the only device running Honeycomb, and the only (major) tablet with an OS specifically designed for tablets. The iPad is great and all, but, at the end of the day, it's just a really big iPhone. I already have an iPhone, and I don't need two. The apps are better on iOS for stuff like games and cutesy programs, but better on Android for stuff like tweaking programs or developer programs.
Really, the decision comes down to whether you're going to use the device like a "normal" user or a "power" user. If all you're going to do is browse the net and check email (and play games), get the iPad. If you want some power user features (better desktop remote control, better ssh, better customization, nonstandard kernels, rooting that does a lot more, etc), then grab the Xoom.
Generally speaking, Apple's products cater to the non-tech-savvy, which sometimes annoy those of us that are tech savvy. Android, though, caters to the more tech savvy. This is why Android is more complicated to use and it also explains the app selections.
As the commercial goes, "it just works". This is true. Apple's devices just work. They stay in control of your device in an attempt to make your life easier and the device easier to use. Android doesn't do this, but it also has a lot more bugs and such (hence better for tech savvy people).
So, to sum everything up, if you're going to use it for just normal stuff (browsing, email, games) and you're not overly tech savvy, get the iPad. If you're tech savvy and plan to remote control computers or other such advanced features, get the Xoom.
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Very well said--great points.
What is a better choice as a gaming phone and what are the big differences aside from the keyboard and camera?
Mytouch 4G slide it has a better processor and runs overall way more smooth
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Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
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Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
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Get the Slide, Its better all around and yes you can remap the keys once you s off and root. Go here http://revolutionary.io
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Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
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Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
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Ill explain. S off is a short for secruity off. Htc devices have a secruity radio in them to prevent modification. Once this is off the phone is open to rooted apps kernals and custom roms
You want the slide for sure it has a dual core processor. I game a lot and have not had any lag issues ever.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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it's no doubt to choose slide.
better cpu and the smooth QWERTY
I'd go with the mt4gs because it has a better processor, screen, and other "updated" features from the mt4g. The gaming would be nicer because of the better processor, dual core, etc.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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Yep, you got it.
You won't find any official documentation on it (but if you do, please share!) - the TV-out capability is what finally sold me on the device. ( I wanted it anyway, but that was the clincher)
Couldn't be happier with any other piece of cellular technology then this device, and the TV thing really is just plug and play...i'll plug in to the TV in the middle of a game without lag and keep right on cruising.
I keep saying that this should have been the selling point for the phone, and yet...not a whisper about it from HTC.
yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
leoilios said:
yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
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I'm definitely thinking that the bluetooth controller is the final answer. I don't like the idea of passing around my phone as the controller to other people. It's fine for my use, but out and about other people want to play too...I don't like handing this device over to other people.
I keep having other things spring up in front of me that have to be handled first with this phone, but seeing what's up with the bluetooth controller issue is very close on my list. Sometime in the next week a person I work on android stuff with in my neighborhood is trying to bring his wii controllers over so we can sit down with our phones and tablets and make a day out of learning what we don't know.
Ultimately, i'd like to get a sixaxis controller working on the device - for all I know it works out of the box with the market app, but I wouldn't bet on it. I think I remember someone posting about it a few weeks ago - and looking into it briefly it seemed like a dead end without kernel source.
Now that we have it, a lot of postponed projects are being woken up in sequence, and having someone to sit down and bounce ideas off of with for a solid day or three is something i'm really looking forward to.
Because really, that's the answer. Walk up to the TV and plug into the audio/video, set the game up, and leave the phone by the TV and play from the couch with a bluetooth controller.
Just like in the old days, when you had to walk up to the system to change games and stuff.
Also, I refuse to play things like the original mortal kombat where i'm trained through and through to include excess pressure on the buttons. Since it's a much more delicate device then an old 8-bit controller...I know i'll break it.
Having a real controller would solve that problem and let me play some of the games on my emulator that are staring me in the face sitting here. All the games I grew up with...and no hardware to run it on. Then this phone comes along, and I can play my old console games on the TV again.
Love this website.
Gotta love how the makers of the phones and os's spend all this time tryin to lock people out from changing them and then there is this website where all these people know how to do almost anything to these new/old phone. I love you guys lol, this is by far the best website to be on to get info about your phone.
If it wasnt for all of you my tilt2 woulda been borin I meen more boring..
I have recently upgraded (lol) to a mytouch 4g slide and it is a very nice phone.
A whole new ballgame for me to figure out how to make it custom, should be fun
Don't worry you came the the right place. The sticky in general has information on everything you'll need to know or click my sig. Welcome to the mt4g slide
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and this is the result [1] (youtube video attached for those who just want to take a glimpse). I would be very glad if I could get some feedback from you guys, or at least give it a go and test it on different devices. The game was developed on HTC HD2 and also I've seen it running on Galaxy S and that's it.
Cheers!
[1] oh and because I'm new here, I obviously can't post any links If some more privileged user could do it for me I would appreciate it. The game is called "Rocket Craze" and is available on Google Market.
Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sTnvHDBwvg&feature=player_embedded
people of good will still exists! thank you grandelama
Could anyone of you guys check if the game (latest version 1.0.16) runs properly on Samsung Galaxy S2, as the previous version purportedly crashed when starting the launch of the rocket.
Market Link:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.rixment.game.rocketcraze
downloading now.
Via My HTC Evo 3D On The Now Network From Sprint.
Lags like hell on LG O1. And the controls suck.
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It losses control once I tilt my phone any bit. HTC EVO 3D.
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Yes this is how it was implemented. It should be hard at the beginning (the engine thrust is not so different than gravity force), but it gets better as soon as you do the upgrades. What do you think should I change it, by making the first engine little bit more powerful?
As for lagging issue, I'm doing a bit of an offscreen rendering to make fire look like it looks now and that is one of the reasons the game runs slowly < 20 fps on some devices. Still I'm trying to move some of the functionality to the GPU rather than CPU, to make it less laggy on less powerful devices. But given the fact that christmas are coming I probably won't be able to improve the performance this year. Sorry :/
Still, somebody please test it on Galaxy S2, as this definitely crashed on versions < 1.0.16
On G2x it just steers to one side or the other and the rocket crashes instantly, regardless of tilting.
Which is too bad, because it looks like it would be a really fun game.
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On G2x it just steers to one side or the other and the rocket crashes instantly, regardless of tilting.
Which is too bad, because it looks like it would be a really fun game.
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I've changed the sensitivity as well as I've fixed the error which occurred on some (for example S2) devices. It seems that the OpenGL's RGB framebuffers are not supported on some smartphones and instead I've choosen the RGBA.
If somebody could find a bit of time and retest the game I would appreciate it.
Cheers
Working much better now. Thank you!
This is a pretty fun game, and quite challenging.
I appreciate your work on this!
Love it.
Thanks for your hard work!
Regards and thanks.
Man, this is hard! Whatever i do the rocket ALWAYS takes a 180 and dives. This happens even before the petrol is empty, and it's pointed upwards. Fun game though!
Edit: OK, gets a little better after the first upgrade.
I'm glad that it behaves better now.
Still, I would like to ask somebody a favour. Recently I've received an email from Amazon saying that they're having some problems running my application on Kindle Fire. And because I don't have the device in person (and probably I will not get it quickly) I'd like to ask somebody who would be kind enough to test the game on the device. Also, it is vital for me to obtain a logcat report in case of a force close or a crash situation. I know it is a long shot, but maybe somebody will find a bit of a time.
Cheers!
game link: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.rixment.game.rocketcraze
Hi guys,
Yesterday I've posted the newest version of the game 1.0.21 in which I've included some major changes of my drawing system. Those changes should make possible to play the game on lower-end devices, one of them which I recently bought and was quite surprised how badly the game was performing. Still, I know that more can be achieved when it comes for performance therefore I'm again asking for your feedback (especially from you guys with less powerful devices).
Hope you'll enjoy the game.
Cheers!
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.rixment.game.rocketcraze
not to sure if this would fall under our forums as a development but it was only developed for android so maybe if could sit in the dev forum if not it can be moved to were ever it would situated ( im assuming the acces page ) but this pad is quite nice granted at 49.99 + tax it's not bad it's like 59.99 + tax at toy's r us other then the price this works great for any gamer that has the older like gameboy rom's or snes emulators etc it is quite a impressive piece of hardware and it's lightweight
soldier1184 said:
not to sure if this would fall under our forums as a development but it was only developed for android so maybe if could sit in the dev forum if not it can be moved to were ever it would situated ( im assuming the acces page ) but this pad is quite nice granted at 49.99 + tax it's not bad it's like 59.99 + tax at toy's r us other then the price this works great for any gamer that has the older like gameboy rom's or snes emulators etc it is quite a impressive piece of hardware and it's lightweight
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Ya last week they were giving them away but I couldn't get it fast enough I was pissed u just had to pay for shipping... But anyway this controller works for modern combat 4 and a bunch of new games... going forward it'll work with most top tier games also so I Def will be getting one as soon as I have an extra 60 bucks
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Not only that, but this thing doesn't seem like a good product. Here's why:
It requires an app on the phone to relay your commands into the game. This means that it has extremely limited game compatibility.
The PSP style analog nubs as your only movement interface make this thing a joke.
The only thing this has going for it is the clever system of attaching the phone to the controller then when the phone is not being used for gaming...folds back into the controller itself. There are numerous options right now for attaching a phone to the controller, but most of them are the same size when they are not being used as when they are.
In short....I see only *ONE* advantage of using this over something like a gameklip. There are so many reasons why you would not want to use it though.
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Not only that, but this thing doesn't seem like a good product. Here's why:
It requires an app on the phone to relay your commands into the game. This means that it has extremely limited game compatibility.
The PSP style analog nubs as your only movement interface make this thing a joke.
The only thing this has going for it is the clever system of attaching the phone to the controller then when the phone is not being used for gaming...folds back into the controller itself. There are numerous options right now for attaching a phone to the controller, but most of them are the same size when they are not being used as when they are.
In short....I see only *ONE* advantage of using this over something like a gameklip. There are so many reasons why you would not want to use it though.
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i have to agree the "joysticks" need to be digital because it would make them alot more responsive within games and they need to be "looser" to allow for faster movement of your thumbs like the xbox sticks those are more fluent in movement then this moga is but i play the older SNES games on my emulator and it works "alright" ( mortal kombat not so good lol ) anyways theres gonna be more improvment so ill just keep my receipt lol if it gets any worse
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33220317
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Wouldn't this fix a few issues mentioned software wise?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33220317
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Wouldn't this fix a few issues mentioned software wise?
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that has fixed alot of issues that the moga app can't only thing is it's kinda of a pain to get going that and having to map the buttons is a pain in the ass other then that it's an outstanding driver