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I don't know much since I just got this phone today but is this phone going to be LTE capable? Cause the rep at the AT&T store told me it was. Is he BSing me?
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I believe lte needs a special chip installed and our phones does NOT have it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
No...no ATT phone currently is LTE compatible.
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Thanks for the info just wanted to know if they were lying lol
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The inspire is not lte capable and att does not have it out yet. Att has the h+ which uses the hspa service but is it's next gen. True lte uses the 700 mHz band which att doesn't have out yet and the inspire does not have a capable radio to utilize it.
Figured. What a lying sack of.....lol
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I can tell you first hand that AT&T is slowly but surly getting ready to launch LTE. I am an electrician for a local contractor and we will be responcible for installing the LTE controllers and cabinets at many cell sites throughout PA, DE and NJ. Once we have them in place the cell techs will run the fiber then test and launch (who knows how long that will take)
After seeing the trouble that many ppl are having with Verizon ill stick with what I have for now.
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For the last time:
Inspire can run on the LTE stack but can't take advantage of the LTE throughput.
So AT&T reps can say the phone is LTE "compatible" or "capable." Gullible consumer will assume Inspire can run LTE speed, while educated XDA readers know better.
You have to ask a more direct question of "will the Inspire be able to take advantage of the LTE speed?" Then the truth will come out.
If you pester enough, they'll sometimes do a 180 and claim HSPA+ will be just as fast as LTE. lol.
FYI, LTE (3.9G) runs voice & data on the same stack, versus 3G and HSPA+ (3.5G) which runs voice and data on separate stacks. LTE will always be faster no matter how much "backhaul" improvements AT&T makes.
Patiently waiting for LTE Advanced with 1Gb throughput....
What is funny is their website. For the inspire specs it says LTE. But only on their website.
The website doesn't say LTE...... it lists 4G: HSPA+/ LTE on the left and under the phones specs it says HSPA+. The left is just listing the 4G technologies that will be available, the right column where the actual phone specs are tell you it uses HSPA+. This is why people have gotten confused. To me it clearly says HSPA+, but I can see how it can get confused.
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Hi im waiting for my sensation toarrive....My confusion comes from References to Sensation 4g...In the uk we dont get 4g so mine will not be the 4g,But tools like Temp root all refer to the 4g and dont mention the 3g?
I dont want to brick my shiny phone when it arrives so is anyone able to ellaborate any diffs between the 4g and the uk version? Is the 4g GSM or CDMA? Is the 4g on tmobile??
Sorry if this has been asked i dont want to seem like an arse
The guides work for both, just that most users on here seem to be American. The European model isn't 4G
It is basically just a naming difference, american carriers like to advertise as being "4G" even when they are only operating 3G networks, and the phone is only 3G capable (like T-Mobile US - they call HSPA+ "4G", which is a technology most modern networks have implemented at this time and is most definitively "3G").
I don't think there is any GSM/UMTS/LTE-capable phone from a major manufacturer available in the market (or even announced) at this point. There are, however, some USB datasticks that are LTE ("4G") capable.
And while the UK may lag a bit behind in LTE coverage compared to some countries of continental europe (although it really doesn't matter all that much at this point), LTE trials are being conducted in the UK at this time.
The Sensation and Sensation 4G are both capable of exactly the same speeds & standards.
Don't be fooled by all the "4G"-marketing, it is exceptionally meaningless.
There are a couple here in the US. Verizon and MetroPCS both have LTE.
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Both are CDMA/LTE-carriers, not really comparable.
AT&T has started building a LTE-network as well, but their phones advertised as "4G" are still regular GSM/UMTS-phones (typically HSPA+ capable).
Which further reinforces my point, "4G" has become a meaningless marketing-term slapped on anything to suggest extraordinary speed to the uninformed.
Thanks guys,Great help as usual! Confusing though when US call it 4G and UK call is HSDPA or 3G+
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Thanks guys,Great help as usual! Confusing though when US call it 4G and UK call is HSDPA or 3G+
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Just wondering.. Since UK considers the 10mbs+ some people get as 3g still, what speeds are considered 4G there? Not trying to flame, just curious.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
Where I live, providers advertise with HSPA+ and LTE directly, A1 marketed "air to fiber" to highlight their supposedly fast backend.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
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And you folks are much more accurate in your description. Have to love marketing BS here in the States.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
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I see... So maybe carriers are are advertising 4G speeds and not technology. Makes sense to me. Are speeds there about the same on "3g+ "?
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And you folks are much more accurate in your description. Have to love marketing BS here in the States.
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Lol yea.. I I just signed a contract with America's largest 4G network and constantly get 200–500kbs on speedtest.
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Well when i had my Hero, Editing the build.prop line which said *something*gprs.class=10 to 12 i got 6-7mb download,which was enough to tether to my pc and HOST Modern warfare 2 with no problems
I have AT&T service in the US and was interested in purchasing a US T-Mobile gradient blue One S to use with it. Will there be any issues with 3G/4G? Does the US T-Mobile One S support AT&T's data network fully?
Yes but I believe you will only get Edge Data.
EDGE is not 3G though, right?
Anyway, to quote Amazon.com's One S Page:
It runs on T-Mobile's 4G HSPA+ networks (850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)).
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That would mean it should work on AT&T's 3G network, right? 850/1900Mhz?
Bah, this is all so confusing.
EDGE is not 3G
You won't get 3G/4G speeds on AT&T with this phone.
Yes, what he said ^^ No 3G or 4G
On GSMArena Review their is written that it is at&t friendly as it has 850/1900 MHz Bands
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On GSMArena Review their is written that it is at&t friendly as it has 850/1900 MHz Bands
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There's more than one version of the One S. The international One S will work on AT&T just fine.
Both the box it comes in and the specs on the T-Mo support site says the T-Mo One S supports:
Network
3G/4G Capable
GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900
Band I (UMTS2100), Band II (1900), Band IV(1700/2100), Band V (850)
So I think it would get high speeds on AT&T.
I got this same question.. so if I buy this phone on US t mobile it will work with at&t 3G..?? If so I will be buying it right now..!!
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Just so you guys know, I bought an One S for use on Wind (Canadian network) and cannot find any site online that can sim unlock it.
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Just so you guys know, I bought an One S for use on Wind (Canadian network) and cannot find any site online that can sim unlock it.
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Which version of the one S do you have Tmobile or international?
US T-Mobile version, which i assume is what you guys are talking about.
Well according to videos and specs sheets t mobile HTC one s can run 3g/h on at&t (
And so, that means I will be getting HTC one s instead of att HTC one x because firstly att unlocked the bootloader and secondly there will be much more development for the htc one s because the att HTC one x is different to the international
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Well according to videos and specs sheets t mobile HTC one s can run 3g/h on at&t (
And so, that means I will be getting HTC one s instead of att HTC one x because firstly att unlocked the bootloader and secondly there will be much more development for the htc one s because the att HTC one x is different to the international
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You mean AT&T locked the bootloader...
I'm pretty sure GSM is voice/text/2G only and has not much to do with higher speed data. Somebody had posted a picture of the T-mobile One S box, which lists the bands it operates on.. which included UMTS 850 & 1900 as well as GSM 850 & 1900 (plus all the other T-mobile bands, obviously)
Whereas, as far as I can tell, the international One S does NOT have UMTS/HSDPA 1900 but does have GSM 1900
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You mean AT&T locked the bootloader...
I'm pretty sure GSM is voice/text/2G only and has not much to do with higher speed data. Somebody had posted a picture of the T-mobile One S box, which lists the bands it operates on.. which included UMTS 850 & 1900 as well as GSM 850 & 1900 (plus all the other T-mobile bands, obviously)
Whereas, as far as I can tell, the international One S does NOT have UMTS/HSDPA 1900 but does have GSM 1900
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Yeah I meant locked, well I have seen several videos where t mobile htc one s is getting 3G /H with at&t man, and as far as I know it has the same bands like the like the international one but, with the plud of the tmobile bands, but correct me if I'm wrong please
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Yeah I meant locked, well I have seen several videos where t mobile htc one s is getting 3G /H with at&t man, and as far as I know it has the same bands like the like the international one but, with the plud of the tmobile bands, but correct me if I'm wrong please
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Yea. Got my international one S yesterday and I rarely get more than 3 bars and is often switching between H and 3G. Haven't run an official speed test yet but data seems to be a little slower than with my A8182 Desire (including page processing)
Also lists compatible bands on the package and does not show 1900 under UMTS/WCDMA HSDPA, only GSM
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Also lists compatible bands on the package and does not show 1900 under UMTS/WCDMA HSDPA, only GSM
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I noticed the same. I just assumed that 1900 is 1900.
Anyway, I have the T-Mobile US One S unlocked and working on ATT. It seems as fast as the one x I had before it. The only strange thing is that when I run a speed test, it says 9kbps down and 1Mbit up. Pings are 150ms.
Browsing the web, downloading apps are much faster than 9kbps. Not sure why it says 9kbps.
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Ok, so I tried a different speedtest, and I am getting results I would expect.
3.5Mbit Down
1.1Mbit UP
Again, this is the T-Mobile US version of the One S that I manually unlocked.
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I noticed the same. I just assumed that 1900 is 1900.
Anyway, I have the T-Mobile US One S unlocked and working on ATT. It seems as fast as the one x I had before it. The only strange thing is that when I run a speed test, it says 9kbps down and 1Mbit up. Pings are 150ms.
Browsing the web, downloading apps are much faster than 9kbps. Not sure why it says 9kbps.
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Ok, so I tried a different speedtest, and I am getting results I would expect.
3.5Mbit Down
1.1Mbit UP
Again, this is the T-Mobile US version of the One S that I manually unlocked.
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So you are confirming that tmous htc one s works with 3g att bands..?
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So you are confirming that tmous htc one s works with 3g att bands..?
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Yes.
My phone shows, H, 3G, and 2G in my area.
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I have AT&T service in the US and was interested in purchasing a US T-Mobile gradient blue One S to use with it. Will there be any issues with 3G/4G? Does the US T-Mobile One S support AT&T's data network fully?
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Where were you purchasing it from? I signed up for a tmobile contract and paid the $189 for the phone then I think I will pay the $200 ETF in a few weeks. Which would be slightly cheaper than purchasing the phone outright or the international version.
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I noticed the same. I just assumed that 1900 is 1900.
Anyway, I have the T-Mobile US One S unlocked and working on ATT. It seems as fast as the one x I had before it. The only strange thing is that when I run a speed test, it says 9kbps down and 1Mbit up. Pings are 150ms.
Browsing the web, downloading apps are much faster than 9kbps. Not sure why it says 9kbps.
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Ok, so I tried a different speedtest, and I am getting results I would expect.
3.5Mbit Down
1.1Mbit UP
Again, this is the T-Mobile US version of the One S that I manually unlocked.
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What speed test did you get more accurate results with? I'd like to see what I get..
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Hi!
A friend of mine is in NYC tomorrow, and as there is no way to get the Doubleshot out of the US, he'll grab me a no-contract myTouch 4G Slide.
The question is: will i be able to use it on french networks? I'm not a specialist so i can't give you more info, but i'm sure some of you are All i know is that there are classes problems (UMTS class 1, 2, 3, 4...) sometimes. So is there a risk than 2G or 3G won't work?
A big thank you for any help you could bring.
Knowing who your carrier is would help.
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Well, any carrier I'm on "Free mobile" for now, but that could change soon. I have no idea how to:
- check which bands are used by a carrier
- check weither the phone supports these bands.
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Well, any carrier I'm on "Free mobile" for now, but that could change soon. I have no idea how to:
- check which bands are used by a carrier
- check weither the phone supports these bands.
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You can easily google what 2G & 3G bands each carrier supports, but this page has the bands for the MT4GS.
Thank you for the link, it will be useful. However, i find it hard to get precise info about the bands used by the networks here: Orange, SFR, Bouygues, Free Mobile.
Simple question: are they any band in the world that this phone does not cover anyway?
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Hi!
A friend of mine is in NYC tomorrow, and as there is no way to get the Doubleshot out of the US, he'll grab me a no-contract myTouch 4G Slide.
The question is: will i be able to use it on french networks? I'm not a specialist so i can't give you more info, but i'm sure some of you are All i know is that there are classes problems (UMTS class 1, 2, 3, 4...) sometimes. So is there a risk than 2G or 3G won't work?
A big thank you for any help you could bring.
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I just came back from Norway last month and the phone worked just fine. I had Roaming service with Telenor.
The phone has Band I so the normal 3G service will work up to 14.4 Mbps HSPA+ if your carrier supports it. If not it will be normal 7.2Mbps 3G service speed.
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You can easily google what 2G & 3G bands each carrier supports, but this page has the bands for the MT4GS.
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The bands equate to Band I and IV. Band I is the most common World Wide Band used in Europe, Asia (including Japan) and Australia.
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I'm using a MT4GS here in France.
It has a US T-Mobile SIM card.
It connects onto Orange network. Phone calls work great.
I didn't use data (quite expensive, I'm using Wi-Fi). So I have no input about that part.
If you are looking for a good phone with a physical keyboard - like the MT4GS - I'd try the Samsung Captivate Glide (only with AT&T - easy to unlock and root).
Great phone. Data (3G/3G+) works great here in France on Bouygues, Free, Orange.
In addition to that it packs a 4" screen and a Tegra 2 processor.
The best part is it has since a few days ICS !
I'm using the Glide here in France with French sim card. Works great. A lot more powerful than the MT4GS...
My 2 cents
Thank you forw these answers! Great pieces of info.
frav, you say the Samsung Captivate Glide is better, which i believe, but to be honest i'm a fan of Sense UI Also, the MT4GS has ICS too through custom roms. When you say "a lot more powerful" do you mean that much? Could you run Quandrant or something equivalent on both? Thank you
Is the MT4GS compatible with all 4G bands? I heard 4G is gonna be a mess about bands (using old 2G, and new frequencies...)
Thank you!
Back with 4G issue!
Hi again everyone. It's an old subject, but it comes under light today.
My carrier ("Free Mobile") opened today their 4G network. I'm in France (yes, still ).
In France, 2 bands are used: 800Mhz and 2600Mhz. Free Mobile only uses 2600Mhz, but that mau change in a near future.
My question is will i be able to get 4G on my MT4GS in France then?. I think not unfortunately, because it doesn't seem to support 800Mhz or 2600Mhz for 4G... but could you confirm?
Thank you
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Hi again everyone. It's an old subject, but it comes under light today.
My carrier ("Free Mobile") opened today their 4G network. I'm in France (yes, still ).
In France, 2 bands are used: 800Mhz and 2600Mhz. Free Mobile only uses 2600Mhz, but that mau change in a near future.
My question is will i be able to get 4G on my MT4GS in France then?. I think not unfortunately, because it doesn't seem to support 800Mhz or 2600Mhz for 4G... but could you confirm?
Thank you
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HSPA is only supported in the 1700mhz and 2100 mhz bands.
Free Mobile is rolling out LTE as 4G there is no chance that the MT4GS will be able to utilize that upgraded service. The freq is on 2600 mhz.
It appears their LTE network is in the early stages of roll out, you would likely have poor coverage anyway due to low numbers of towers in service. LTE on 2600 mhz would have poor building penetration and relatively short range due to the frequency being so high and that LTE needs a clean signal to noise ratio for decent reception.
To take advantage of the new service you will need a different device.
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Hi,
Thank you for your clear answer.
I am working at 50m from a Free 4G antena, and living at 200m of another one, so i would enjoy a great 4G if it was compatible. But as i was afraid, it is not. Too bad
I'll get another device when any manufacturer starts doing really good Android high end phone with keyboard
Have a nice day!
Everything every where are going 4g Soon.
I know the US version gets very high speeds.
Will i need a new phone?
the US HTC One S says 4G but its just DC HSPA+ which seems to work in India (Vodafone) its not 4g but we can say partial 4g the hspa+ signal is doubled to get double speed 42Mbps if am not wrong ..cheers bro .
And Like here 4G LTE (100mbps) is launched if it is launched in UK too , you will need new phone . NO 4g LTE phone has been launched yet in India . But they are giving Wifi routers
ah pants, wish id known before buying
Realistically I don't think it matters. NOBODY actually gets anywhere close to 100 Mbps on any LTE connection. They'd be lucky to get 30. In that sense if we can hit those speeds on DC-HSPA+ then who cares about LTE?
so can i get the new 4g in the uk or not? Im now confused?
Hopefully yes, use this phone only dnt sell it
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Hopefully yes, use this phone only dnt sell it
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So keep it and see i guess?
Only i would of sold it before there is a mass of htc one s phones on the market that are not capable.
I read that the lte frequency in the UK is 1800mhz and the one s supports 1800mhz band
LTE is 4G. One S does not and cannot ever support LTE, and it's not a matter of frequencies.
One S does support DC-HSPA which gives a theoretical down link @ 42 Mbps.
Many many carriers around the world has DC-HSPA, Three in Sweden has it for example, though I haven't managed a better speedtest.net result than 19 Mbps myself on it... Best TMOUS speedtest.net I recall seeing here was ~25Mbps I think.
None of the 4 swedish carriers with LTE networks promise more than 80 Mbps, though the rules for calling something 4G originally stated it should provide 1Gbit to stationary users and 100 Mbps to mobile users.
T-mobile in USA calls DC-HSPA 4G for marketing reasons but it is still a 3G UMTS technology. Still plenty fast enough for anything on a phone IM:angel:
sorry im still confused...............
In plain terms for a idiot...
Do i need a new phone to take advantage of 4G as the mobile companies would have me believe
To take advantage of what some carriers like TMobile US would have you believe is 4G you don't need a new phone. If Three UK is anything like 3 Sweden then they have a nice 3G network which can pass for 4G in America.
To take advantage of LTE which is even faster you need a new phone.
You could download hrrm stream I mean say 9 HD episodes of say Top Gear and thus fill your entire sdcard on the One S in 120 minutes on a decent 3G connection though so I'd say LTE isn't really needed.
does 4G have a more reliable connection than 3G as sometimes i find 3G drops on the One S
In the UK, 4g is only available from EE (Orange/TMobile) and only in very few places and yes you need a new phone, also deep pockets because it is expensive.
After tweeting EE, they said the phone wasn't compatible with their 4G network.
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Yes - anyone wanting true 4G (LTE) will not be able to do so with any HTC One S.
It is worth noting, however, that anywhere you can get LTE you will almost certainly get HSPA+ (which is supported by One S). For most, that will mean speeds over 2Mb/s and up to 7Mb/s and cost significantly less than LTE. With EE currently not being very generous with their download limits (or coverage), why not stick with 3G until the market gets a bit more competitive? That will fit in nicely for when you are probably due a shiny new phone...