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Do y'all think they will eventually make a Nexus S for 850 and 1900 3G bands like they did for the Nexus One?
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Regarding UK carriers - wrong. The Nexus S already has UMTS 2100 which is used UK-wide, and UMTS 900 which is about to gain greater adoption in the UK. No carrier in Europe uses AT&T's bands.
But regarding Canadian carriers, yes, it'd make sense to produce a UMTS 850/1900 version. That doesn't mean it's incredibly likely to happen.
Well I hope it does! Everyone is really downing the phone and theyve never even held it! Google put their name on it so I bet its way better than people are making it out to be
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I hope so too
I will surely jump from my Nexus One
I love it, but a change of looks would be nice
Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
dan1431 said:
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
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That was a false positive. The TMobile Vibrant has 1900 3g but it's never had 850.
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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The Nexus S is being sold @ a subsidized price: $199 w/ contract
Google and Samsung do serve to make money for shareholders, but Google does so primarily by making people happy, that is why their services are mostly free. Happy customers are Google's commodity.
About the AT&T 3G bands: I got an "i don't know" from a Google Software developer this morning on Twitter, so doubtful it will be around the Tmobile launch, but I don't think there is any question with the phone being sold in Best Buy and the way Samsung handled the Galaxy, it won't be too long
If there was a 850MHz version, I would put my order in tonight as I'm itching for a 4" phone (perfect size IMO). I have a feeling there probably wont be one though, as the Nexus S is more about having an up to date, clean-slate phone for developers to use and for Google to showcase new Android features. I doubt they care about maximizing sales of them, and there's probably not a lot to gain by opening them up to AT&T/Rogers/Bell/Telus customers, especially after all the testing and certification requirements.
Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
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While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
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While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
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Ah, didn't know that.
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Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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That's easy for you to say. I'd jump on Tmobile in a heartbeat but they have no, and I mean none, service at my work. Since I spend the majority of my time there it rules out Tmobile for me. So lets hope an ATT compatible version comes out in a few months.
Yeah I would happily drop 500+ dollars on a at&t nexus s if they make one for 850 and 1900 3G bands
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Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
Dan
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
dan1431 said:
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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yeah i dont understand it either. it seems as though these manufacturers actually HURT their sales by not being forthcoming right off the bat. we all dance around the issue, not knowing to buy or not buy, will an 850 version come later for me, etc. nobody is gonna drop 500 with that type of info. just lay it all out there from the beginning so people know to buy or not!
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
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If more people supported developers, credit wouldn't be needed. . . .
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dan1431 said:
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
dan1431 said:
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I was guessing the same thing. Either there is RIDICULOUSLY good T-Mo reception at the Mountain View campus OR it has to be some sort of deal between T-Mo and Google.
I remember when the G1 came out. I was thinking "wow, what an ugly phone. Android seems like a cool concept but seeing how it works on that phone is crappy. boo hiss etc". The phone did not seem to have much promise compared to the other competitors (windows mobile and....iphone). Naturally T-Mo took a huge risk carrying and promoting the at the time unknown phone. It seems like that faith has paid off because Google has chose T-Mobile as the only official carrier of ALL of their developer phones (ADP1 (G1), ADP2 (MT3G), Nexus One, and now the Nexus S.)
Or maybe it's some combination of both of those theories.
When I logged into Gmail this morning, a balloon popped out from the talk panel saying that all calls throughout 2011 were free!
its applicable in US only or other countries as well?
Sweet! Thanks google.
Well then, time to download Google Talk...
This is the best feature ever! I talk to my dad (who is in bosnia) every day for free, no more 100s of dollars of bills! Google is awsome!!!
And yeah, you can call any number in USA and Canada for free from any where in the world!
Does this apply anywhere in the world?
Sadly it doesn't apply to China. Would love to use this with my family back home in the states.
try to download and test it.
im gonna check if it works in Hungary...
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This is the best feature ever! I talk to my dad (who is in bosnia) every day for free, no more 100s of dollars of bills! Google is awsome!!!
And yeah, you can call any number in USA and Canada for free from any where in the world!
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How do u call bosnia for free from usa using gmaul/google talk? I thought u can only call us numbers for free!
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I Believe so.
Yeah... I believe that this is only for US and for US numbers.
Have anyone beeing able to make this otherway?
xzpx said:
This is the best feature ever! I talk to my dad (who is in bosnia) every day for free, no more 100s of dollars of bills! Google is awsome!!!
And yeah, you can call any number in USA and Canada for free from any where in the world!
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Does the reverse work, calling in the USA to other countries?
Recently on the U.S. Carriers have become a problem. So I thought of some ideas that could solve this huge problem. First, the companies who are making android devices should open their own stores and people go to them to buy the phones. Like in England, you buy your phone, and then you have a carrier to provide you with service. A pluse side to this would be that if you ever have a problem with your phone, the people working their, they know how the phone works. Unlike the carriers, they always make you check for an update, or factory reset the phone. This is what apple has done successfully, the people at the apple store, know how it works and can fix any hardware, and most software problems.
Second, carrier I.Q. is a huge problem right now. If we get pur phones from the company its self, then choose a provider, the extra bloatware won't be installed. Meaning carrier IQ wouldn't be a problem.
Please post you thoughts or ideas.
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The problem is in the UK all the phones work on the networks and they are unified. In America you have 4 different carriers with 4 different types of networks that are incompatible with each other (yes i know AT&T/ T-Mo = 2G and you can flash Verizon / sprint devices)
I wouldn't mind seeing some of these stores for support, I love being able to go to an apple store whenever I have a problem with my phone
They have their own stores, online. Offline, not that many are willing to forkdoodle $5-800 on an unlocked phone save the iSheep, but in those cases its sheep flocking their new purchases overseas.
As far as carrier iq, who's stopping you from rooting and root uninstalling all the bloatware?
Lastly, if you're THAT concerned with all of this new nonsense, hop OFF of android.
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Recently on the U.S. Carriers have become a problem. So I thought of some ideas that could solve this huge problem. First, the companies who are making android devices should open their own stores and people go to them to buy the phones. Like in England, you buy your phone, and then you have a carrier to provide you with service. A pluse side to this would be that if you ever have a problem with your phone, the people working their, they know how the phone works. Unlike the carriers, they always make you check for an update, or factory reset the phone. This is what apple has done successfully, the people at the apple store, know how it works and can fix any hardware, and most software problems.
Second, carrier I.Q. is a huge problem right now. If we get pur phones from the company its self, then choose a provider, the extra bloatware won't be installed. Meaning carrier IQ wouldn't be a problem.
Please post you thoughts or ideas.
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The phone makers would still have to deal with the carriers here in the US. The carriers here own the rights to the frequencies these phones are capable of using. That means they can make demands. But if the phone makers did accept the carrier demands, whatever they be, a walk-in store would be great. Google should do a store also.
If google made a "Android" store, I would buy my phone from their, not the carriers store.
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A Google store with Android phones tablets cromebooks and Google TV would be cool but I think the sheer number of products would be a issue
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A Google store with Android phones tablets cromebooks and Google TV would be cool but I think the sheer number of products would be a issue
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You mean, lack there of. A LOT of google stuff is free after all, and the rest rests in other manufacturers' hands unlike Apple crap. Nor does Android OS have any of its own PCs nor laptops and there is a pretty big gap between them and laptops. Also no, actually cheap, small devices to match ipods for kids and such.
That's true I'm sure us on this forum would love a Android/Google store. More and more things are coming out with Android in it. I even remember seeing a washing machine lol. I have a chrome book a GTV a phone and also a tablet so for me it would be cool. But with Android being open it would be a hard to get all the OEM's on bored.
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It sounds like a good idea when it comes to having the "in person" support from the company your phone comes from, and if you want to buy a phone from that specific company for what ever reasons.
But I also have the feeling that it will do more harm to those companies.
I dont see how it would hurt the OEM's. One of the main knocks is the way you have to get support. I live in Las Vegas we have 3 apple stores. The have a repair shop and can fix a lot of things have you ever took a phone back to sprint lol its a joke. I feel it would help the OEM's. They would just need to figure what phones and tablets to carry. I remember reading about the Android store if they do good google has to follow
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A Google store with Android phones tablets cromebooks and Google TV would be cool but I think the sheer number of products would be a issue
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I agree with this, a 'Samsung' store or LG store or something like that would push the price of the products up for the sake of running the stores. an Android store would work far better than a manufactor store, Apple can sell their overpriced stuff in their stores anyway, but they offer other services such as fixing the items, thats why Apple stores work.
Carrier stores in many ways are outdated.
I agree, I took my first android android " Samsung Moment" back to sprint. And all they did was update it, sadly it sucked on eclair. So all they would do is replace the phone and restore it. If I could have Samsung fix it, personally they could have fix it. Instead I switches plans and got this phone.
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I have recently got the HTC One X which has NFC, I was refusing to get a phone without NFC but I have worked out in the UK it is useless. There are many NFC enabled payment terminals all over the country, every Gregs has one also Mcdonalds and many other shops, however there are no apps to utilise this technology. In the US they have Google Wallet, in sweeden (I think) they have pay-pal but we have nothing in the UK.
Does anyone know of any NFC enabled payment apps that will work on the three network in the UK on an unrooted phone?
I am getting really annoyed with the slowness of technology in the UK, there is no 4G, the underground has not made an NFC oyster card app and banks are not incorporating NFC into their apps either unlike a lot of others around the world.
What are you thoughts on this lack of technology available to us compared to other countries?
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I have recently got the HTC One X which has NFC, I was refusing to get a phone without NFC but I have worked out in the UK it is useless. There are many NFC enabled payment terminals all over the country, every Gregs has one also Mcdonalds and many other shops, however there are no apps to utilise this technology. In the US they have Google Wallet, in sweeden (I think) they have pay-pal but we have nothing in the UK.
Does anyone know of any NFC enabled payment apps that will work on the three network in the UK on an unrooted phone?
I am getting really annoyed with the slowness of technology in the UK, there is no 4G, the underground has not made an NFC oyster card app and banks are not incorporating NFC into their apps either unlike a lot of others around the world.
What are you thoughts on this lack of technology available to us compared to other countries?
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It's incredibly annoying. But I've been using Google Wallet for the past few months at McDonalds and Greggs. I used the initial $10 and then got my friend to purchase a $100 prepaid mastercard fro me in the US.
Orange say they'll be releasing their Quick Tap application to Android users with NFC phones some time soon, but I'm not sure about exactly how it will work. If it's going to use the built-in Secure Element, they'll have to get permission and secret codes from Google/HTC first. If it's going to use the SIM card as the secure element, then it will probably only work with Orange SIMs, which sucks.
Furthermore, I'm not even sure if they'll support the One X - it isn't supported with Google Wallet afterall.
I use a Galaxy Nexus and I worry that Quick Tap won't be supported, as I'm pretty sure they'll be using the SIM as the secure element, but I'm not sure if the Nexus actually has that functionality. We should know within about a month.
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It's incredibly annoying. But I've been using Google Wallet for the past few months at McDonalds and Greggs. I used the initial $10 and then got my friend to purchase a $100 prepaid mastercard fro me in the US.
Orange say they'll be releasing their Quick Tap application to Android users with NFC phones some time soon, but I'm not sure about exactly how it will work. If it's going to use the built-in Secure Element, they'll have to get permission and secret codes from Google/HTC first. If it's going to use the SIM card as the secure element, then it will probably only work with Orange SIMs, which sucks.
Furthermore, I'm not even sure if they'll support the One X - it isn't supported with Google Wallet afterall.
I use a Galaxy Nexus and I worry that Quick Tap won't be supported, as I'm pretty sure they'll be using the SIM as the secure element, but I'm not sure if the Nexus actually has that functionality. We should know within about a month.
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I think google have been very slack with their wallet app and will not reach the desired market by keeping it to one or two phones. There are loads of NFC enabled phones out there running on android and they need to sort them selves out.
I think the ONE X will be capable of running the google wallet if I could get it in this country without rooting.
I am hoping HTC will be able to see a market for this and create an app in the HTC hub, or it would be handy if mastercard or visa would make an app for everyone to use. I saw a visa advert the other day that was suggesting it could be used on samsung phones but I have seen no further explanations.
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What are you thoughts on this lack of technology available to us compared to other countries?
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Don't get me started....
I'm hopeful that with the Olympics this year we will see a proper push for NFC payment to become widely available; there's the beginning of an infrastructure in place and numerous trials are underway or completing (O2, Barclaycard & Orange, etc).
Personally I'm hoping that Barclays move their Pingit app towards an NFC facility.
As far as what's available today in the UK, only the mini 'stick on' NFC credit card from Barclaycard - sucks really.
Yeah I would happily move banks to Barclays if I could use the ping it app with NFC, there was loads of articles around Christmas time saying google wallet was coming to the UK for the Olympics but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Yeah I would happily move banks to Barclays if I could use the ping it app with NFC, there was loads of articles around Christmas time saying google wallet was coming to the UK for the Olympics but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Me neither lol. Small comfort, but Pingit as is is now available to anyone with a uk bank account or building society account.
its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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Annoying no! This country really annoys me when it comes to the uptake of technology, it is nearly a year since Visa did the samsung s3 trail with the PayWave app at the Olympics and still nothing from them.
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its been 12 months, is there still nothing available in the UK?
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Only Orange's Quick Tap which is very limited availability. I seem to see NFC capable terminals everywhere nowadays too.
some the looking up iv done seems like cricket should work (tho their website says it wont cuzz they wanna sell me a baby phone) im on att now and its good but i need unlimited and cricket has that, and they us att towers so not seeing why it wouldnt work .. any other CHEAP unlimited plans, off brand carriers that we can confirm it works with well? i think i read tmoblie but they are a bit too high for me tbh
Cricket works fine....