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Hey guys, for Christmas this year I was planning to get my mother a low cost "premium" 10inch Android tablet. She has previously been using a Viewsonic G-Tablet, mostly to just peruse shopping websites. She has been pretty great at navigating it, but the crappy screen, heavy weight, and just plain SSSLLLOOOOOWWWness have me wanting to get her a more name brand and reliable piece of hardware.
So that brings me here. I have been eyeing the TF300 for a while and Best Buy having it on a Black Friday sale is making me close to pulling the trigger. However, just looking over some threads here i'm seeing a few people cursing this tablet to death. So I want to check in with you guys, is this a reliable, low cost, quality option?
Don't forget, all I really need this thing for is solid web browsing, responsiveness, Google+ Hangouts, ease of use, and email.
Looking forward to everyone's input.
Yeah man get it..its been great so far no issues at all..google top 10, 10 inch tablets,its in the top 3 most of the time..(this is simply my opinion from my experience)
Ha, I'll probably get flamed for saying this but... get her an ipad. I love my TF but it's only because I've been rooted and unlocked since day one and have spent a bunch of time trying out new ROMs. Oh, and I run the stock browser with the 'ipad user-agent' because it just works better because people actually care about making sites ipad-friendly.
It seems like not everyone has the same experience with these, so it's hit-or-miss as to which you'll get. If it was me, and my wife wanted a new tablet and I didn't want to have to mess with it every time she complains of issues, I'd go with the ipad.
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Get the nexus 10! Can't go wrong with it!
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Well for non-techie I would recommend the ipad, it's extremely simple and you won't need to worry about some android stuff
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I'd say only go for it if the keyboard is a major selling point for her. If she can live without the keyboard dock, I'd get her the nexus 10.
I would go for it. Why not?! For what you're mom is going to be using it for is great. She's not going to be entering the Dead Trigger video game playoffs, and she's certainly not going to breach national security with it by hacking into the main frame of the NSA. (She's not going to, right?)
I know if I were to get this as a gift, I'd be saying COOL! Plus I'd be thankful that it wasn't an iPad2. Mom will love ya for it!!
Louis
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Nexus 10 or note 10.1. The transformer has I/O issues.
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I think that you have 2 solutions:
The first:
You bought an IPAD 1 or 2, cause it's simply efficient for someone who don't need the same need as us.
And the IPAD is 3G & Wifi.
Second:
You buy a TF300, you will unlock (or not), root for her.
I don't know if in US there is a big difference in price between the TF300 and TF700.
I wouldn't get it. its freakin slow unless its rooted with a custom rom. then it rocks!
Great responses guys. iPad wise, personal bias aside, she's not a fan of the aspect ratio. Not to mention it is killer to pay that "Apple tax" when I know I can go Android (she is also familiar with Android, currently using a Samsung Vibrant as a phone and like I said the Viewsonic) and get a better product for cheaper.
Now the Nexus 10 crossed my mind on announcement, but I think the price makes it slightly TOO premium for my wallet. $350 minimum plus tax and shipping for the Nexus vs $280+Tax and out the door for the Transformer on Black Friday. I'm currently using the Nexus 7 to write this, but she isn't a fan of the smaller form factor.
I'm curious about the poor I/O performance I've seen around here, how exactly is that manifesting in day to day use? Don't forget, she's coming from a Viewsonic G Tablet running a custom Froyo rom (JB too unstable). Surely we're looking at a huge speed increase, even with bad i/o performance? Just website browsing on Dolphin should be speedy right?
If you don't root or anything, stock browser doesn't perform too well. It hangs. Using other browsers helps but I only use chrome really and that's not even that good. Certainly worse than the nexus 7. The I/O issues do get annoying and there is lag in some places. Have you looked at the Note 10.1?
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Nospin said:
Great responses guys. iPad wise, personal bias aside, she's not a fan of the aspect ratio. Not to mention it is killer to pay that "Apple tax" when I know I can go Android (she is also familiar with Android, currently using a Samsung Vibrant as a phone and like I said the Viewsonic) and get a better product for cheaper.
Now the Nexus 10 crossed my mind on announcement, but I think the price makes it slightly TOO premium for my wallet. $350 minimum plus tax and shipping for the Nexus vs $280+Tax and out the door for the Transformer on Black Friday. I'm currently using the Nexus 7 to write this, but she isn't a fan of the smaller form factor.
I'm curious about the poor I/O performance I've seen around here, how exactly is that manifesting in day to day use? Don't forget, she's coming from a Viewsonic G Tablet running a custom Froyo rom (JB too unstable). Surely we're looking at a huge speed increase, even with bad i/o performance? Just website browsing on Dolphin should be speedy right?
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I/o is terrible and affects normal web browsing. if you flash a custom its fixed but on stock it blows. I love mine rooted and custom.
if you flash cm10 stable + custom kernel its freakin fast... otherwise not so much,...
I have a stock tf300 and have no problems browsing using Dolphin. Dolphin is quick enough for me and it never crashes, even with lots of tabs open. Your mother will love it compared with what she has got now.
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I have a stock tf300 and have no problems browsing using Dolphin. Dolphin is quick enough for me and it never crashes, even with lots of tabs open. Your mother will love it compared with what she has got now.
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disagree about stock... my mother and wife has one and stock it frustrated BOTH of them. Flashed CM10 AND UT's kernel and they love it now.
I got my 16 gb wifi note a few days back. I had the option of choosing between the asus infinity and the note and I chose the note. I'm a student so I mainly use the note for education and gaming.
So here are my question:
1.)Should I have bought the asus tab instead as it has a better display or does it not make that much of a difference.
2.) In how many years do you think the note will be outdated. i.e. Not be able to run any of the high end games?
3.) Is the Note or the Infinity better for gaming?
Please telI me I made the right choice.
Thanks.
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I am also a student and I absolutely love my note 10.1. If I want to watch media on a high end display, then I don't turn to my tablet. I can't tell you the Note 10.1 is amazing for gaming, watching movies, etc. I can tell you it's amazing for getting things done. The spen, and apps such as lecture notes, have completely changed my life. I spend hours taking notes, doping assignments, and pulling together material from sources and texts. All of that is faster and easier on the Note. I'm at the point where I don't know what I'd do without the S-pen. It's saved me countless hours of rewriting notes, scanning them, searching for previous work, and editing the notes/work I have done.
Look, if you just want to watch videos and play games, there are better options.
If you are trying to get work done, then you want the note.
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I am also a student and I absolutely love my note 10.1. If I want to watch media on a high end display, then I don't turn to my tablet. I can't tell you the Note 10.1 is amazing for gaming, watching movies, etc. I can tell you it's amazing for getting things done. The spen, and apps such as lecture notes, have completely changed my life. I spend hours taking notes, doping assignments, and pulling together material from sources and texts. All of that is faster and easier on the Note. I'm at the point where I don't know what I'd do without the S-pen. It's saved me countless hours of rewriting notes, scanning them, searching for previous work, and editing the notes/work I have done.
Look, if you just want to watch videos and play games, there are better options.
If you are trying to get work done, then you want the note.
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I feel the exact same way, except I love watching movies on my Note. But it's perfect in school; it really gets the job done. +1 ^^
I love my note 10.1. As far as playing games and stuff, it may be slow ghtly lower res than the infinity, but I can tell you that I still play shadow gun dead zone and GTA 3VC all the time. And quite a few other games. Great gfx. Everything set to max in game.
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Thanks guys! It's just that a few other new tablets are releasing soon, just felt like I should have waited for those.
Oh well
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Thanks guys! It's just that a few other new tablets are releasing soon, just felt like I should have waited for those.
Oh well
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Yes you should wait in the PC Mobile Smartphone Tablet world their is always something new . But it is a constant redeveloping circle and the only decision you can make is based on when you want to buy and the price for a product that does what you want .
jje
I Know Someone Who Wanted To Buy A Tablet, Found One They Liked But Heard About Another One That Was Better Coming Out In A Couple Of Months Time. So waited but Didn't Buy The Newer Tablet Straight Away And When They Went To Get It Heard About Another Tablet That Was Due Out In A Few Months So Thought They'd Wait For That.
Here I Am Playing With My Lovely Note 10.1 And There They Are Still Waiting to Buy A Tablet.
If You Wait To Get The Best You'll Never Get Anything Because 6 Months Down The Track Something Supposedly Better Will Come Along. Be Happy With What You've Got If It Meets All That You Need When You Get It Or You'll Always Be Waiting... :laugh:
I've seen the note as low as 300 usd so the price has dropped a lot. I bought mine for 550 and I still think it was worth it. If you can find one for that low I'd pick it up.
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I made the wrong choice the first time around when I was in your position. Despite my initial feeling on the s-pen. I come to find it to be the greatest pointing device ive ever used. Im not an artist either. It provides mouse over function on the web and a degree of pointer precision that is to die for. Copy paste is a f'n breeze. Im also addicted to s-note.
But the real deal breaker for the asus was the ram. 2gb is what your going to want if your looking for extended usefull life. Some might disagree..but they are wrong...lol. plenty of speed tweaks eatup ram. Opera browser has some bad ass options that eat up ram but make the browser faster than any other ive used. So when you only got 1gb....you probably shy away from these options.
I didnt see the display difference. Sure I like how solid and cool the asus looks ans feels. Not a fan of the softer toyish artsy feel of the note 10.1. But IMO the note 10.1 is a better device with better longevity.
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I got my 16 gb wifi note a few days back. I had the option of choosing between the asus infinity and the note and I chose the note. I'm a student so I mainly use the note for education and gaming.
So here are my question:
1.)Should I have bought the asus tab instead as it has a better display or does it not make that much of a difference.
2.) In how many years do you think the note will be outdated. i.e. Not be able to run any of the high end games?
3.) Is the Note or the Infinity better for gaming?
Please telI me I made the right choice.
Thanks.
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1.) No.
2.) Get an Xbox
3.) You said you use the Note for education and gaming, so even if Infinity might be better for gaming (no idea), Note >>> Infinity when it comes to education, so it definitely was the right choice
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I Know Someone Who Wanted To Buy A Tablet, Found One They Liked But Heard About Another One That Was Better Coming Out In A Couple Of Months Time. So waited but Didn't Buy The Newer Tablet Straight Away And When They Went To Get It Heard About Another Tablet That Was Due Out In A Few Months So Thought They'd Wait For That.
Here I Am Playing With My Lovely Note 10.1 And There They Are Still Waiting to Buy A Tablet.
If You Wait To Get The Best You'll Never Get Anything Because 6 Months Down The Track Something Supposedly Better Will Come Along. Be Happy With What You've Got If It Meets All That You Need When You Get It Or You'll Always Be Waiting... :laugh:
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Lol true! But imma be owning this thing atleast for the next 3 years so I just wanted t get the best.
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I've been using the note for a few days now. I currently have asphalt 7, real racing 3, gta 3 and dead trigger installed and I must say the gaming performance is pretty awesome! No lag at all on any of these games. The graphics are pretty good as well. So I think the gaming is as good as it's gonna get on Android. Yeah I think I made the right choice.!:thumbup::thumbup:
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It doesn't matter what you buy today, in 3 months, something better faster and cheaper will be out. The main thing is that you are using the device now instead of just thinking about it. The Note can definitely help more with your education, which is a lot more likely to affect what devices you can afford in a few more years. You made a good decision. Now quit playing games and do your schoolwork!
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It doesn't matter what you buy today, in 3 months, something better faster and cheaper will be out. The main thing is that you are using the device now instead of just thinking about it. The Note can definitely help more with your education, which is a lot more likely to affect what devices you can afford in a few more years. You made a good decision. Now quit playing games and do your schoolwork!
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Get that new Note out and take notes on what this guy says!
Seriously though, if you want to game, get a gaming console. While the Note 10.1 runs most mobile games quite well, I really only see these games for filling time between class, killing time while traveling or procrastinating some homework, not extended play time.
The Note will change your life as a student. I am so much more organized than I ever thought I could be with the Note. Having all my course work with me all the time and even past courses makes it easy to find what I need when I need it.
The transition in is different, just embrace it! Once you start to really use the Note to your advantage you'll wonder what you ever did without it.
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bobstro said:
It doesn't matter what you buy today, in 3 months, something better faster and cheaper will be out. The main thing is that you are using the device now instead of just thinking about it. The Note can definitely help more with your education, which is a lot more likely to affect what devices you can afford in a few more years. You made a good decision. Now quit playing games and do your schoolwork!
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Yes sir!
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I'm a student, too. I own the Note for about a week and it's great. The resolution is big enough for any practical purpose and 2 gigs of RAM are definitely better than one. There is an annoying little problem with making hardware keyboards work properly, but it hopefully is solvable. I also fell in love with the SPen almost instantly. Actually, now it seems to me that a tablet without a stylus isn't even half as useful as it could have had been.
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jdgreat4 said:
I got my 16 gb wifi note a few days back. I had the option of choosing between the asus infinity and the note and I chose the note. I'm a student so I mainly use the note for education and gaming.
So here are my question:
1.)Should I have bought the asus tab instead as it has a better display or does it not make that much of a difference.
2.) In how many years do you think the note will be outdated. i.e. Not be able to run any of the high end games?
3.) Is the Note or the Infinity better for gaming?
Please telI me I made the right choice.
Thanks.
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i bought ipad new befor buying note 10.1 and would say i miss the retina display and easy installing (jailbroken of course!) but when i had ipad i was working with that 1 or 2 hour a day but now i work with note almost all the time! it's awsome! transformer may has a better display but note has spen and a touchwizard firmware! i like both! now my ipad is useless unless when i wanna play asphalt 7!
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I'm a student, too. I own the Note for about a week and it's great. The resolution is big enough for any practical purpose and 2 gigs of RAM are definitely better than one. There is an annoying little problem with making hardware keyboards work properly, but it hopefully is solvable. I also fell in love with the SPen almost instantly. Actually, now it seems to me that a tablet without a stylus isn't even half as useful as it could have had been.
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sure! spen is almost perfect
Got my Note 10.1 for school it is amazing.
I am extremely disappointed that scrolling on the Note 3 isn't "buttery smooth" as claimed by many reviewers. I have found scrolling to be janky and jittery most of the time. It completely destroys the touch metaphor. I have posted some examples on YouTube. Unfortunately my camera isn't very good and doesn't shoot at a high enough frame-rate to show just how bad the problem really is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSG9SGP-hyc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq3hEDJWe5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucDko2cQQhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lri0VVQe078
This problem exists with all android device not just note 3.
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Unfortunately i notice too, it's the thing i look first when using a new phone.
I'm too lazy to shoot a video and I only viewed the first of the videos you posted. In it, you played with the Play Store. At first launch I got the same effect you did because the app is background loading a ton of graphics; some are still loading as you're scrolling. After about 10 seconds the images are cached and moving up and down the page is smooth. My N2 behaves exactly the same way.
I hope you and all those so deathly miserable plan on returning their N3's.
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I'm too lazy to shoot a video and I only viewed the first of the videos you posted. In it, you played with the Play Store. At first launch I got the same effect you did because the app is background loading a ton of graphics; some are still loading as you're scrolling. After about 10 seconds the images are cached and moving up and down the page is smooth. My N2 behaves exactly the same way.
I hope you and all those so deathly miserable plan on returning their N3's.
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I cannot return it, contrary to the UK's consumer protection legislation. For some reason, Phones4U believe that the UK legislation (14 day return policy) does not apply to the handsets it sells. Instead, I'm selling mine on Gumtree for £400 (which is £220 less than I bought it for). I should have known better and waited for a demo unit in the store so I could see how it performed instead of relying on reviews.
In regards to the Play Store video that you watched, that's an example of poorly implemented lazy loading. No other mobile platform on the market suffers from the same performance issue when executing lazy loaded listviews. Here's an example from another platform (I shot the video at 60FPS, unfortunately YouTube seems to have dropped the frame-rate when transcoding):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hbAFj75uH8
The above example is running on inferior hardware, yet it so much smoother and fluid. I understand that it's not exactly a like-for-like comparison, but it still leaves me dumbfounded that no-one at Samsung seem to care about user-experience.
You're comparing it with devices from other platforms. In that case, wouldn't it be more accurate to refer to android and Google in your comments instead of note3 and samsung ?
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Just get the iphone 5 or 5s if a "buttery smooth" scrolling is your primary requirement. Im content with my note 3's scrolling and i came from an S3, i bought this phone to be a tool and to help me with everyday tasks. So the scrolling performance if its smooth or not isnt any of my concern.
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Just get the iphone 5 or 5s if a "buttery smooth" scrolling is your primary requirement. Im content with my note 3's scrolling and i came from an S3, i bought this phone to be a tool and to help me with everyday tasks. So the scrolling performance if its smooth or not isnt any of my concern.
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I agree. ios is all about a pretty experience (not they they have succeeded with ios 7). Pretty is not necessarily a bad thing but that is the prime focus for Sir Ive et al. That said, it is still a little surprising that a processor of the power of SD800 isn't always smooth!
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I dont know about you guys. But i can pretty much survive with the scroll even with "Power Saving" on
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I dont know about you guys. But i can pretty much survive with the scroll even with "Power Saving" on
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Me too. I can also survive if my Note 3 falls on the ground and breaks in five. Although, i might cry.
That's not the point. And the point is, this a brand new top of the line Android, that costed me 700€, and you have 3 years old iSomething with better scrolling and touch experience. It annoys me, but i can survive yeh.
Unfortunately i don't think there's an easy fix for this. I have used Android since 2009 and i haven't seen one without this "problem" and i have used all the Galaxy S line.
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Me too. I can also survive if my Note 3 falls on the ground and breaks in five. Although, i might cry.
That's not the point. And the point is, this a brand new top of the line Android, that costed me 700€, and you have 3 years old iSomething with better scrolling and touch experience. It annoys me, but i can survive yeh.
Unfortunately i don't think there's an easy fix for this. I have used Android since 2009 and i haven't seen one without this "problem" and i have used all the Galaxy S line.
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The phone is €700. The platform it runs on is free and open source (which has its advantages and disadvantages). I think you fell into the same boat as OP of confusing between the two. If it wasn't free, mind you, you'd be paying much more than 700€ as samsung would've transferred the cost licensing the OS to the end user (one of the many advantages). Android has a hundred more advantages over IOS, which you can easily Google, but I doubt you'll find "Android is more fluid than ios" listed as one of them, even in the most stingent android fan sites. Of course the overlay that samsung and other OEMs put on top of android doesn't help in that regard either.
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Just get the iphone 5 or 5s if a "buttery smooth" scrolling is your primary requirement. Im content with my note 3's scrolling and i came from an S3, i bought this phone to be a tool and to help me with everyday tasks. So the scrolling performance if its smooth or not isnt any of my concern.
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Thanks for the recommendation. If you look at the videos in my original post, you will see that I already have an iPhone 5. But that's beside the point. I'd like to know why we are in a position where consumers are expected to choose between smoothness and low latency, OR features and functionality. I was expecting the Note 3 to deliver both, and I simply fail to accept they're mutually exclusive.
When the every day tasks are jittery and janky, the user experience becomes jarring (every day).
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Ignore. Double post.
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I cannot return it, contrary to the UK's consumer protection legislation. For some reason, Phones4U believe that the UK legislation (14 day return policy) does not apply to the handsets it sells. Instead, I'm selling mine on Gumtree for £400 (which is £220 less than I bought it for). I should have known better and waited for a demo unit in the store so I could see how it performed instead of relying on reviews.
In regards to the Play Store video that you watched, that's an example of poorly implemented lazy loading. No other mobile platform on the market suffers from the same performance issue when executing lazy loaded listviews. Here's an example from another platform (I shot the video at 60FPS, unfortunately YouTube seems to have dropped the frame-rate when transcoding):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hbAFj75uH8
The above example is running on inferior hardware, yet it so much smoother and fluid. I understand that it's not exactly a like-for-like comparison, but it still leaves me dumbfounded that no-one at Samsung seem to care about user-experience.
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Gotta disagree here, the App Store on my iPhone 5 is horrid the first time it loads? Sometimes taking
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Thanks for the recommendation. If you look at the videos in my original post, you will see that I already have an iPhone 5. But that's beside the point. I'd like to know why we are in a position where consumers are expected to choose between smoothness and low latency, OR features and functionality. I was expecting the Note 3 to deliver both, and I simply fail to accept they're mutually exclusive.
When the every day tasks are jittery and janky, the user experience becomes jarring (every day).
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You can read this article, has some interesting insight as to why Android is not as smooth as say iOS is. I don't own this device yet, but I've been using the HTC One which is the smoothest android experience I've had to date. It's still not as smooth as my wife's iPhone but it's approaching it.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Android-can-never-be-as-smooth-as-iOS-myth-busted_id26252
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The phone is €700. The platform it runs on is free and open source (which has its advantages and disadvantages). I think you fell into the same boat as OP of confusing between the two. If it wasn't free, mind you, you'd be paying much more than 700€ as samsung would've transferred the cost licensing the OS to the end user (one of the many advantages). Android has a hundred more advantages over IOS, which you can easily Google, but I doubt you'll find "Android is more fluid than ios" listed as one of them, even in the most stingent android fan sites.
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I'm not confused at all, and i agree with you about the advantages of Android. I'm perfectly aware of that, that's why i bought one, and i have had many others, instead of an iOS device.
I will say it again, i have bought a Note 3 that costs about the same as an iPhone in my country. And that's because i think the Note is way better for my needs!
But this isn't a fight to see what OS is better, or what phone, i don't want to go there at all. I don't care about that. I'm just talking about a specific issue that bothers me with my phone, and that i have experience in my 4+ years experience with Android.
Every one wants more and better, i'm no different. Apparently some ppl don't care about this issue, others don't even see it, but i do and i would like it to be a little better. Don't see what the problem is here.
Your suggestion is, i need to accept it because this how Android works? I should be satisfied with that, because this is a chronicle issue? C'mon now, i will never be satisfied with anything ever! I will always want more. That's my nature.
Ok, enough.
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Your suggestion is, i need to accept it because this how Android works? I should be satisfied with that, because this is a chronicle issue? C'mon now, i will never be satisfied with anything ever! I will always want more. That's my nature.
Ok, enough.
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Of course, I feel the same way exactly. I want the best of both worlds. This is the nature of all human beings. Without it, civilization itself wouldn't have existed
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I think Android will never be at scrolling as IOS,for two reasons:
1-Its based on Java and thats one slow animal,I told this in this same forum when I first got my Note one almost 2 years ago,and recieved unconvincing answers.
2-While scrolling, IOS stops all and every background processing meanwhile Android keeps tens of them running .
scott.deagan said:
I cannot return it, contrary to the UK's consumer protection legislation. For some reason, Phones4U believe that the UK legislation (14 day return policy) does not apply to the handsets it sells. Instead, I'm selling mine on Gumtree for £400 (which is £220 less than I bought it for). I should have known better and waited for a demo unit in the store so I could see how it performed instead of relying on reviews.
In regards to the Play Store video that you watched, that's an example of poorly implemented lazy loading. No other mobile platform on the market suffers from the same performance issue when executing lazy loaded listviews. Here's an example from another platform (I shot the video at 60FPS, unfortunately YouTube seems to have dropped the frame-rate when transcoding):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hbAFj75uH8
The above example is running on inferior hardware, yet it so much smoother and fluid. I understand that it's not exactly a like-for-like comparison, but it still leaves me dumbfounded that no-one at Samsung seem to care about user-experience.
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hagba said:
I think Android will never be at scrolling as IOS,for two reasons:
1-Its based on Java and thats one slow animal,I told this in this same forum when I first got my Note one almost 2 years ago,and recieved unconvincing answers.
2-While scrolling, IOS stops all and every background processing meanwhile Android keeps tens of them running .
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I'm not the most informed, but I believe that Java has drastically improved in speed (JIT and I think you can use JNI). Also, 2 seems to be from Munn's piece (which is inaccurate).
My contract is about to end so I'm in the market for a new phone. I currently own a iPhone 5S which I have experienced little to no problems with and is as buttery smooth and lag free as it was the day I got it. However before my iPhone 5S I had the LTE Galaxy S3 which was an absolute nightmare. Don't get me wrong I loved android and prefer t a lot more over iOS but very quickly the GS3 started to lag and I had a lot of problems with it slowing down, crashing ect and I definitely would not like another experience like that. I'm considering the OPO because of Cyanogen mod which is pretty close to stock so I'm assuming there wont be any bloatware or anything that could possibly slow my phone down in the future? Is this true? I was also considering the LG G3 but the skin over the top is really putting me off and I'm afraid of running into the same problems I had with the GS3 a few months down the line.
TL;DR How lag free and reliable is the OPO in comparison to other phones in the market?
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My contract is about to end so I'm in the market for a new phone. I currently own a iPhone 5S which I have experienced little to no problems with and is as buttery smooth and lag free as it was the day I got it. However before my iPhone 5S I had the LTE Galaxy S3 which was an absolute nightmare. Don't get me wrong I loved android and prefer t a lot more over iOS but very quickly the GS3 started to lag and I had a lot of problems with it slowing down, crashing ect and I definitely would not like another experience like that. I'm considering the OPO because of Cyanogen mod which is pretty close to stock so I'm assuming there wont be any bloatware or anything that could possibly slow my phone down in the future? Is this true? I was also considering the LG G3 but the skin over the top is really putting me off and I'm afraid of running into the same problems I had with the GS3 a few months down the line.
TL;DR How lag free and reliable is the OPO in comparison to other phones in the market?
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There is a massive difference between the 2 devices especially when the RAM comes into it with the S3 having 512 or 1GB (depending on which one you have) and the OPO having 3GB and of course the processor is a hell of alot better.
You'll have no issue with lag with the OPO i personally have had no lag issues if I did I couldn't use the phone either (espeically redraws I can't stand those, ARGH!!) not to mention no touchwiz which is a big bonus.
Roxas598 said:
There is a massive difference between the 2 devices especially when the RAM comes into it with the S3 having 512 or 1GB (depending on which one you have) and the OPO having 3GB and of course the processor is a hell of alot better.
You'll have no issue with lag with the OPO i personally have had no lag issues if I did I couldn't use the phone either (espeically redraws I can't stand those, ARGH!!) not to mention no touchwiz which is a big bonus.
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The Galaxy S3 here in the US actually had 2gb of ram with the dual core Snapdragon processor (Forget which one) and every other variant varied between 1gb for the Exynos version and 2gbs for the Snapdragon version.
But, the galaxy phones did not really get better until later. I blame the Touchwiz interface being incredibly taxing on ram and CPU. Like Roxas said though, there is 3gbs of ram in the OnePlus One and a phenomenal CPU in it too so this things flies! The Snapdragon 801 is a monster. CM11S is nice, and when you get in to tweaking it gets better! Just don't do anything you're not familiar with if you want a reliable experience, like any phone.
Pyrrhus7 said:
My contract is about to end so I'm in the market for a new phone. I currently own a iPhone 5S which I have experienced little to no problems with and is as buttery smooth and lag free as it was the day I got it. However before my iPhone 5S I had the LTE Galaxy S3 which was an absolute nightmare. Don't get me wrong I loved android and prefer t a lot more over iOS but very quickly the GS3 started to lag and I had a lot of problems with it slowing down, crashing ect and I definitely would not like another experience like that. I'm considering the OPO because of Cyanogen mod which is pretty close to stock so I'm assuming there wont be any bloatware or anything that could possibly slow my phone down in the future? Is this true? I was also considering the LG G3 but the skin over the top is really putting me off and I'm afraid of running into the same problems I had with the GS3 a few months down the line.
TL;DR How lag free and reliable is the OPO in comparison to other phones in the market?
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even with the latest ROM , you will have lag just using the phone and in games. As for longevity, the USB port wont probably last 2 years. Its a $350.00 phone running a beta ROM (IMO), so you have been warned right from the start with that price.
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Roxas598 said:
There is a massive difference between the 2 devices especially when the RAM comes into it with the S3 having 512 or 1GB (depending on which one you have)
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The S3 has 2GB of RAM on the North American version btw.
This one is great super fast and no lag, longevity I can imagine this phone will get software updates since the group behind it keep more devices up to date than OEMS do.
Also the USB port is the sturdiest one I have ever used
The problem with asking this on forums are some people run crappy apps that ruin the experience. Take me co worker that bought my nexus 4, it still runs pretty good, then all of sudden "yo this phone is not working". I take a look and he has this fake greenified app installed and three sideloaded pirated movie apps install. Uninstalled them and phone is working smoothly again. Until next month
But I have no issues with response time or battery life solid phone
BrianDigital said:
This one is great super fast and no lag, longevity I can imagine this phone will get software updates since the group behind it keep more devices up to date than OEMS do.
Also the USB port is the sturdiest one I have ever used
The problem with asking this on forums are some people run crappy apps that ruin the experience. Take me co worker that bought my nexus 4, it still runs pretty good, then all of sudden "yo this phone is not working". I take a look and he has this fake greenified app installed and three sideloaded pirated movie apps install. Uninstalled them and phone is working smoothly again. Until next month
But I have no issues with response time or battery life solid phone
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pirated movies that cause problem on a phone ? are you serious ? You shouldnt give any advice on this forum if you are.
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even with the latest ROM , you will have lag just using the phone and in games. As for longevity, the USB port wont probably last 2 years. Its a $350.00 phone running a beta ROM (IMO), so you have been warned right from the start with that price.
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The S3 has 2GB of RAM on the North American version btw.
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The Galaxy S3 here in the US actually had 2gb of ram with the dual core Snapdragon processor (Forget which one) and every other variant varied between 1gb for the Exynos version and 2gbs for the Snapdragon version.
But, the galaxy phones did not really get better until later. I blame the Touchwiz interface being incredibly taxing on ram and CPU. Like Roxas said though, there is 3gbs of ram in the OnePlus One and a phenomenal CPU in it too so this things flies! The Snapdragon 801 is a monster. CM11S is nice, and when you get in to tweaking it gets better! Just don't do anything you're not familiar with if you want a reliable experience, like any phone.
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Ah yes there was wasn't there, my bad on that part.
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pirated movies that cause problem on a phone ? are you serious ? You shouldnt give any advice on this forum if you are.
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Mod edit: talking about pirated anything on xda is not allowed
Lets keep the talk of pirating movies, or anything for that matter, off of XDA please
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pirated movies that cause problem on a phone ? are you serious ? You shouldnt give any advice on this forum if you are.
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He claimed some movie apps could do that, which is true. Many of these "Get free movies with this app " apps from the internet are filled with spyware and run in the background unnecessarily.
I wouldn't trust that to be on my phone.
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He claimed some movie apps could do that, which is true. Many of these "Get free movies with this app " apps from the internet are filled with spyware and run in the background unnecessarily.
I wouldn't trust that to be on my phone.
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he add apps later, in another post, wake up
I am wondering... has touchwizz really improved as much as samsung claimes? Had a couple of touchwizz phones and they always seem to lag bigtime. Even using the native apps like dailer, contacts and gallary.
It drove me nuts...
Basicly had enough and was thinking about switching to a different phone until samsung came with the s6.
So i hope you guys can give me a awnser based on reallife experiance?
Thanx!
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I've used s3, note 2, s4 and s5 before.. and yeah i like touchwiz now tbh. On my older phones I've always root and installed aosp roms but i wont do it this time.
Ive bought s6 in belgium and there isnt even "bloatware" installed!
Hi , yes touchwizz is really improved compared with s3 , s4 , s5 ...it's also a more nice design , light and flat
of course it's always possible to made a better touchwizz ! but samsung has made a good job , i hope they will continue ... Normaly i don't like touchwizz , the s6 it's my first phone where i keep touchwizz
i don't have lag ...
i've owned the S2 and S4 and now S6, and the difference is just so big and noticeable, there is no lag on my S6 after using it for a bit more than a week....everything is fast....you do not wait for anything....i wonder what will samsung do with the NOTE 5.....
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i've owned the S2 and S4 and now S6, and the difference is just so big and noticeable, there is no lag on my S6 after using it for a bit more than a week....everything is fast....you do not wait for anything....i wonder what will samsung do with the NOTE 5.....
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This.
Thanx for your feedback! Thats great news! So no more launcher redraws and so on? Glad to hear samsung really improved!
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Thanx for your feedback! Thats great news! So no more launcher redraws and so on? Glad to hear samsung really improved!
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no redraws....nothing....its a beast of a phone...i was a bit nervous before i got it...because i was afraid it will lag and stutter....i am glad the made this decision....really....
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I am wondering... has touchwizz really improved as much as samsung claimes? Had a couple of touchwizz phones and they always seem to lag bigtime. Even using the native apps like dailer, contacts and gallary.
It drove me nuts...
Basicly had enough and was thinking about switching to a different phone until samsung came with the s6.
So i hope you guys can give me a awnser based on reallife experiance?
Thanx!
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The functionality and speed of Touchwiz has definitely improved.
That being said, there's like a gig of bloatware that comes webbed into your phone out of the box. Using a debloated rom like XtreStoLite really makes this phone shine.
Samsung should take a hint and stop hindering their flagship phones with so much third party bloat imo
I've installed AOSP ROMs on every phone I've had, but this one is so fast and smooth and TW has most of the features I need so I'm actually happy with it for the first time ever. I'm on a debloated ROM, and all I really need are a couple of minor mods to be completely happy. It's hard to put my finger on why, but the S6 just feels so much better to use than any other phone I've had and any ROM I've installed. To me it's way, way better than the S5. By a much wider margin than I ever thought it would be.
ive always been a bit of a nova fan boy, but for the first few days i did like touchwiz a little bit, but went back to nova.
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ive always been a bit of a nova fan boy, but for the first few days i did like touchwiz a little bit, but went back to nova.
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Thanx for the feedback. And you dont experiance launcher redraws since nova isnt a system app? Or do you force it into memory?
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dannylow79 said:
I am wondering... has touchwizz really improved as much as samsung claimes? Had a couple of touchwizz phones and they always seem to lag bigtime. Even using the native apps like dailer, contacts and gallary.
It drove me nuts...
Basicly had enough and was thinking about switching to a different phone until samsung came with the s6.
So i hope you guys can give me a awnser based on reallife experiance?
Thanx!
Sent from my GT-I9300 using XDA Free mobile app
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I think this time touchwiz is fast enough and no lag but Nova would still offer you more features.
To me it has