My wife's JB stock Asus TF700 is being annoying. It's laggy, audio recording hiccups and stutters and lags, and in general my Nexus 7 makes it look really bad (and it's not like she's installed a bunch of junk on it, and these problems persist after reboots/cache wipes).
I don't mind at all unlocking it and doing things like custom kernels, kernel tweaks etc. But I have a few reservations....one of the biggest is the dock with non-ASUS ROMs. I want to make sure that full dock functionality is there. That means the trackpad works, the keyboard works, the SD card slot in the keyboard works, etc. Is there any reason to be concerned about this with custom TF700 ROMs? I don't really see their descriptions addressing this.
The other question is, how likely is it I'll see the improvements I want just by putting in a custom kernel, maybe running an app like Seeder, and/or FSTrim to combat lagginess, and just otherwise leave the stock ASUS Jelly Bean on it, albeit rooted.
Hope this question hasn't been asked and answered before. I *did* search.
Randy
I run CROMI 3.2.1 on my TF700 & have no problems with my keyboard dock. keys all work, as does the SDcard.
This ROM is built off of Asus's Rom, just improved upon.
I've noticed a huge difference in my tablet since switching to CROMI over the stock ROM.
Not sure about just putting in a new kernel though.
Someone else might be able to answer that better.
I'm running CROMI 3.2 + ubuntu on dualboot (rabits) and even with the custom kernel, everything related to the dock works on the android side (the SD reader on the dock is a little problematic while running linux but that is kind of to be expected with an alpha build)
I would go with the newest CleanRom Inheritance (CROMI) and run one of clemsyn's kernels with it.
Stupid fast (compared to stock at least)
I'm also running with fsync disabled, and the performance difference is definitely noticeable.
Also running CROMI 3.2.1, everything works as with the stock ROM, just much, much better!
On stock I was ok with this tablet, got it for the flexibility and keyboard and put up with the lagginess.
Now I absolutely love it! So much fun!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk HD
If you're really worried about dock support, go the CROMI route -- I'm another proponent and use it myself. It is INSANE how much difference it makes. The lay-out and general user experience is the same, so the transition is... hell, it's not even small or negligible, it's just absent.
Do yourself and your wife a favor and flash CROMI. I warn you, however: once done, there's no way you're going back to stock, and even the other ROMs probably lose to CROMI (by maybe a small margin, I haven't tested lately sicne I'm really happy with the performance as is).
Sweet!! Thanks, guys! I'll give it a go. Looks like others are saying the ASUS unlocker will work on the JB stock ROM so, presumably I no longer have to worry about going through the 'downgrade' to ICS first...
Recommendations on the recovery? CWM? TWRP?
Thanks,
Randy
PS You may have gathered this, but I've been doing this with phones & tablets for a long time with Android, so I'm not 'new' to it, I just didn't know how to deal with the wildcard of the dock thrown in the mix.
rmagruder said:
Sweet!! Thanks, guys! I'll give it a go. Looks like others are saying the ASUS unlocker will work on the JB stock ROM so, presumably I no longer have to worry about going through the 'downgrade' to ICS first...
Recommendations on the recovery? CWM? TWRP?
Thanks,
Randy
PS You may have gathered this, but I've been doing this with phones & tablets for a long time with Android, so I'm not 'new' to it, I just didn't know how to deal with the wildcard of the dock thrown in the mix.
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TWRP, no doubt, but not the latest version, stay with TWRP version 2.3.1.0 (first choice) or 2.3.3.0(second choice).
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TWRP, no doubt, but not the latest version, stay with TWRP version 2.3.1.0 (first choice) or 2.3.3.0(second choice).
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Hehehe, here's where opinions start differing. I'm a CWM guy, but probably due to having learned where everything is. I believe the current versions of TWRP are really good, and since they're friendlier to learn (and operate, I guess) there's no shame in using TWRP, and whichever one you happen to choose doesn't really matter since they perform the most important tasks equally well.
One real advantage of TWRP is being able to use GooManager to update it on the device itself. As I think of it now, now I've had to tape the tablet inside the dock, I'm probably going to have to go the TWRP route myself soon... (I don't know if I can fastboot through the dock. Ugh)
Still, I vote CWM.
Don't forget to get your nvflash backup setup first...
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JB stock
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DocCox said:
Don't forget to get your nvflash backup setup first...
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Too late.
buhohitr said:
TWRP, no doubt, but not the latest version, stay with TWRP version 2.3.1.0 (first choice) or 2.3.3.0(second choice).
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Last couple of versions of TWRP feel a bit like betas to me. It offers a brilliant interface but it's a bit disconcerting that it can freeze anywhere in the flash process. I've switched to CWM and whilst it is incredibly slow in comparison to TWRP it is at least stable.
i downgraded to 4.04, but i'd like to stay on ICS. Is there a way to stop the update notifications and/or disable the checking for new updates?
Yes, root, get Rom Toolbox or any app manager and freeze the updater app (I think it is called Motorola Services). I speak spanish so the name of the app is different ("Actualizador").
I should have stayed on ICS. Now on JB 4.1.2, it's too late
Just because I'm curious, why would you want to stay on ICS? JB is a significant upgrade and I think is overall better.
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Just because I'm curious, why would you want to stay on ICS? JB is a significant upgrade and I think is overall better.
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Maybe because HDMI doesn't work well on JB
I think the Motorola RAZR hd runs better in ICS than JB. I'm going to stay with ICS until there is a decent update to JB that runs better than ICS.
otherwise I'd agree that JB runs better.
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I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
yugendreams said:
I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
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CROMi-X obviously
Try a few out though - see what you think.
yugendreams said:
I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
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Wait a few weeks and you may not have to decide! sbdags and _that are continuing to work on ROM2SD for CROMi-X! Run his rom on internal and another rom on your microSD. Already works for CROMi-X, miniCROMi-X, but CM is coming - I can feel it
Linux is where the real funs at
JoinTheRealms said:
Linux is where the real funs at
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If only I had the time to study.....:crying:
yugendreams said:
I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
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Cromi-x is highly recommended, but on my tablet it did run well at all. I would recommend going with cyan based rom, I run cyan on all my other android devices and i could not get used to the Asus based roms at all.
Currently running CMB even without data2sd like cromi-x had it way smoother and hasn't crashed yet. Plus has all the cyan features i know and love...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
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Cromi-x is highly recommended, but on my tablet it did run well at all. I would recommend going with cyan based rom, I run cyan on all my other android devices and i could not get used to the Asus based roms at all.
Currently running CMB even without data2sd like cromi-x had it way smoother and hasn't crashed yet. Plus has all the cyan features i know and love...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
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You are the first person to say that so must be something else you did to cause poor performance.
I'd love to get you up and running properly on cromi-x.
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You are the first person to say that so must be something else you did to cause poor performance.
I'd love to get you up and running properly on cromi-x.
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@sjgieson
His rom, sbdags, is very fast and smooth. I don't know how are we going to accurately measure the speed of the tf700t. According to most of the testers, all the measurement apps are lied and can not be trusted but fast and smooth are even worst because there are no data or numbers associating with the test data to back up the conclusion. Otherwise, we can test them side by side... It is just my opinion and don't kill me if I am saying something wrong...
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@sjgieson
His rom, sbdags, is very fast and smooth. I don't know how are we going to accurately measure the speed of the tf700t. According to most of the testers, all the measurement apps are lied and can not be trusted but fast and smooth are even worst because there are no data or numbers associating with the test data to back up the conclusion. Otherwise, we can test them side by side... It is just my opinion and don't kill me if I am saying something wrong...
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I have had the TF700 for just a few weeks, but go back Droid1 days with running custom roms. Current devices is a Gnex running experimental KitKat, and Nexus 7 that is the wives DD running 10.1.
My experience with TF is as follows get device, unlock, try to load custom rom find out USB data port is DOA, return device, get new one, take two days to get unlock app to work (just kept trying) rejoiced due to unlocking, download Cromi latests, flashed with DATA2SD and choosing Hunds kernel. Running it that way for about 10 days, getting frustrated and returning to CM based ROM (I have ran CM on GNEX and previous devices 80-90% of the time).
First off, let me say I may be wrong about my Cromi situation and probably should have held off posting my experiences. In the last 24 hours I have spent a lot more time on these forums and have sdbags 1:1 helping me getting Data2SD up and running on CM based 4.3 rom. I have been reading more of the posts instead of just skimming them loooking for what I need to fix something and move on. I have to say I am impressed at folks here (specifically _that and sdbags), their ingenuity and expertise (not mention willingness to contribute) is impressively and rarely seen these days in my opinion.
To answer your question about speed, yes, Cromi-x was fast, by far the fastest 4.2 rom to date on any device I have ran. I am sure this is due to Data2SD and the many many tweaks that have been made. However I know 4.2 is plagued by no trim, and at least on my Gnex 4.3 based roms are more responsive (less times hung with no response) than 4.2 roms. So first off I have bad taste in my mouth with anything related to 4.2 because of my Gnex experiences (probably wrong way to look at things I know). So going in I was little worried about 4.2 based.
Here is a list of annoyances with the rom being based on Asus and not AOSP:
Pulldown menu (pull up in the table interface) not being Googles menu (why change it)
Softkeyboard layout (trying to get the at symbol), no swiping (IIRC)
No cCLOCK widget (I wish I didn't like that CM thing so much...)
None of those were deal breakers, I had planned on addressing those eventually but the following occured:
First boot, confirmed data2sd was working, ran benchmarks, was impressed how well it ran etc. Installed my apps, all was good with the world love at first boot....
Sat it down on table (was in dock) rebooted, came back up to welcome screen, lock tablet was restore to factory. Perplexed, I reinstalled my apps, and went about my merry way (never re-ran benchmarks or really looked into the files system too much, my bad).
Next few days crashed reboots occurred randomly (maybe due to the Hunds OC kernel, should have tried stock kernel i suppose)
Finally one day a reboot occured and I rebooted back into my original environment I had setup in the first few hours of Cromi, my data from the environment I was in appeared lost. At this point the annoyances listed above (related to Asus, not the Cromi-rom) were too much.
I wiped everthing (even formated SD card), and went to CMB (why I didn't go striaght 10.2 I don't know). I have not had one single reboot/crash since the move, it is pretty peppy and I am getting really good benchmarks for not having data2sd installed, which is odd. If I didn't see how fast cromi was, I wouldn't be looking to get data2sd back as of right now i feel like 4.3 AOSP with data2sd has to be faster than 4.2 ASUS w/ data2sd.
Obviously, after writing the above issues I didn't follow good trouble shooting practices and perhaps made emotional not logical decisions.
sbdags - I will give Cromi-X another go
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I have had the TF700 for just a few weeks, but go back Droid1 days with running custom roms. Current devices is a Gnex running experimental KitKat, and Nexus 7 that is the wives DD running 10.1.
My experience with TF is as follows get device, unlock, try to load custom rom find out USB data port is DOA, return device, get new one, take two days to get unlock app to work (just kept trying) rejoiced due to unlocking, download Cromi latests, flashed with DATA2SD and choosing Hunds kernel. Running it that way for about 10 days, getting frustrated and returning to CM based ROM (I have ran CM on GNEX and previous devices 80-90% of the time).
First off, let me say I may be wrong about my Cromi situation and probably should have held off posting my experiences. In the last 24 hours I have spent a lot more time on these forums and have sdbags 1:1 helping me getting Data2SD up and running on CM based 4.3 rom. I have been reading more of the posts instead of just skimming them loooking for what I need to fix something and move on. I have to say I am impressed at folks here (specifically _that and sdbags), their ingenuity and expertise (not mention willingness to contribute) is impressively and rarely seen these days in my opinion.
To answer your question about speed, yes, Cromi-x was fast, by far the fastest 4.2 rom to date on any device I have ran. I am sure this is due to Data2SD and the many many tweaks that have been made. However I know 4.2 is plagued by no trim, and at least on my Gnex 4.3 based roms are more responsive (less times hung with no response) than 4.2 roms. So first off I have bad taste in my mouth with anything related to 4.2 because of my Gnex experiences (probably wrong way to look at things I know). So going in I was little worried about 4.2 based.
Here is a list of annoyances with the rom being based on Asus and not AOSP:
Pulldown menu (pull up in the table interface) not being Googles menu (why change it)
Softkeyboard layout (trying to get the at symbol), no swiping (IIRC)
No cCLOCK widget (I wish I didn't like that CM thing so much...)
None of those were deal breakers, I had planned on addressing those eventually but the following occured:
First boot, confirmed data2sd was working, ran benchmarks, was impressed how well it ran etc. Installed my apps, all was good with the world love at first boot....
Sat it down on table (was in dock) rebooted, came back up to welcome screen, lock tablet was restore to factory. Perplexed, I reinstalled my apps, and went about my merry way (never re-ran benchmarks or really looked into the files system too much, my bad).
Next few days crashed reboots occurred randomly (maybe due to the Hunds OC kernel, should have tried stock kernel i suppose)
Finally one day a reboot occured and I rebooted back into my original environment I had setup in the first few hours of Cromi, my data from the environment I was in appeared lost. At this point the annoyances listed above (related to Asus, not the Cromi-rom) were too much.
I wiped everthing (even formated SD card), and went to CMB (why I didn't go striaght 10.2 I don't know). I have not had one single reboot/crash since the move, it is pretty peppy and I am getting really good benchmarks for not having data2sd installed, which is odd. If I didn't see how fast cromi was, I wouldn't be looking to get data2sd back as of right now i feel like 4.3 AOSP with data2sd has to be faster than 4.2 ASUS w/ data2sd.
Obviously, after writing the above issues I didn't follow good trouble shooting practices and perhaps made emotional not logical decisions.
sbdags - I will give Cromi-X another go
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Wow, thanks for the good explanation... What I said was just my opinion, I hope that you are not offended..
Also, there is a trim supported on Cromi X but that would depend on the version of the kernel. You can ask _that or sbdags to help you mount it if it is not currently mounting as an option...
Good luck...:fingers-crossed:
Nope no offense taken! As you had a point .
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
The only time I experience a crashing application is with boat browser. I leave the setting for flash set to always on and flash itself isn't a clean application. That is what causes my tablet to force close the app. I've not experienced the rebooting that I did running pure stock Asus firmware either and it otherwise runs perfect.
Maybe try using one of _that's OC kernals. While not as fast as hunds, they are stable and still offer a greater experience than stock. I haven't found needed to use the 1.8ghz performance mode in his kernals and for my needs the balanced setting at 1.3ghz works fine. The extra boost is there if needed.
Speed doesn't mean you will have the best user experience from the tablet. While hardware specs are meant to be the same for all TF700s, each component is different due to the manufacturing process for each tablet assembled. The CPU/components in your tablet may not play nice with hunds kernal.
a very good one
try cmbroms running 4.3.1 but very close to building 4.4 weekly updates and there great love it. if you have any question there team is very fast to respond http://forum.xda-developers.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=47629521:cowboy:
I have been running Cromi-X 5.1 for a few weeks now and it works great.
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were running cmbroms over here and loving it i hear from up the grapevine there getting kitkate soon so will be getting 4.4.1 cant wait the 4.3.1 is solid as a rock and i build them myself on my linix machine loving it
yugendreams said:
I'm getting my tablet Monday and I really don't want to have to flash different roms just to find one that works best.
I prefer Cyanogen stuff, I'm running the nightlies on my Razr Maxx HD, and would like to continue using it on a tablet. HOWEVER, it seems that Cromi has a more developed ROM. Am I wrong? What do you guys think is the best rom and why?
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Cromi-X will be a good option. I think it give you more freedom to install what you want a bit more flexible.
sbdags said:
You are the first person to say that so must be something else you did to cause poor performance.
I'd love to get you up and running properly on cromi-x.
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Hello and greetings from new user of TF700T.
I have been using this ROM for 3 days and I can say while the performance of cromi-x is not poor, it's not great either. Certainly better than CM11 (tried that before switching to cromi-x), but navigating the entire Android OS still feels sluggish. Not to say my TF700T is always slow, but tapping home button for instance, could take me 2-3 seconds before it starts reacting. When I open any apps, the transition animation is also sluggish, which is worse if I navigate apps from recent apps button. Lastly and the worst, Google Now and Google Now Launcher are very unpleasant to use, freezes on the opening and lags almost on the entire time.
I wonder if this kind of experience normal in TF700T considering the tablet is 2 years old? Or there are some tweaks I missed? I am currently running CROMi-X 5.4 Xenogenesis DEODEX.
For whatever the reason is, I'm still thankful for such a great ROM. It's the guys like you who make Android different and beautiful
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Hello and greetings from new user of TF700T.
I have been using this ROM for 3 days and I can say while the performance of cromi-x is not poor, it's not great either. Certainly better than CM11 (tried that before switching to cromi-x), but navigating the entire Android OS still feels sluggish. Not to say my TF700T is always slow, but tapping home button for instance, could take me 2-3 seconds before it starts reacting. When I open any apps, the transition animation is also sluggish, which is worse if I navigate apps from recent apps button.
I wonder if this kind of experience normal in TF700T considering the tablet is 2 years old? Or there are some tweaks I missed? I am currently running CROMi-X 5.4 Xenogenesis DEODEX.
For whatever the reason is, I'm still thankful for such a great ROM. It's the guys like you who make Android different and beautiful
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Would you like to try my Extreme Tweaks, ET? Give it a shot and tell us what you think...:laugh:
Will hold on to this ROM for a week. If there is no possible improvement could be made, I'll different ROMs, your Extreme Tweaks, and basically anything dangerous
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Anggrian said:
Will hold on to this ROM for a week. If there is no possible improvement could be made, I'll different ROMs, your Extreme Tweaks, and basically anything dangerous
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Actually, it is a part of the Cromi X v5.4. It is working fine with Cromi X ROM only and never test with other ROMs. It is running perfectly fine with all of my testers except one that he had a weird waking up issue....
I've been playing around with my friend's Infuse after fixing the power button/boot loop issue. I did flash it to CM11, though it did run beautifully, found there were issues with the video recorder (choppy). I brute forced it back (an epic battle with the AT&T logo loop) to rooted GB stock with Zen's Synthesis kernal and CWM.
I'm looking for the most stable rom that doesn't have camera issues. From what I was reading that it is hit or miss from ICS and up. Should I just leave it as is? I'm thinking about flashing a GB rom like Aeon or Revenant. The biggest complaint with this phone was battery drain, so I got all of the bloat off with Titanium.
I'm asking because my friend needs a daily driver with no problems--she doesn't know how to fix things if something arises.
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I've been playing around with my friend's Infuse after fixing the power button/boot loop issue. I did flash it to CM11, though it did run beautifully, found there were issues with the video recorder (choppy). I brute forced it back (an epic battle with the AT&T logo loop) to rooted GB stock with Zen's Synthesis kernal and CWM.
I'm looking for the most stable rom that doesn't have camera issues. From what I was reading that it is hit or miss from ICS and up. Should I just leave it as is? I'm thinking about flashing a GB rom like Aeon or Revenant. The biggest complaint with this phone was battery drain, so I got all of the bloat off with Titanium.
I'm asking because my friend needs a daily driver with no problems--she doesn't know how to fix things if something arises.
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I found CarbonROM to be less buggy than Beanstalk 4.4.2 or CM 10.1, but then again, I didn't extensively run/test it like the others, including the camcorder. I did hear that you cannot do HD recording with it. If that is a problem, should stick with stock Gingerbread.
Lollipop may change things, but Eclipse does use Froyo as a baseline for software requirements by default. It may be GB now, but even then you would be safe for a year until Android 5.1 comes out (Gingerdeath won't happen overnight).
Thanks!
I'm more apt to stick as close to stock as possible on other people's devices because we all know strange things can and do happen. But I just couldn't help myself trying to update it as far as possible. I'll see how she feels about the HD recording and take it from there.