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Maybe we need two versions of Cognition...

I don't know if it's the right place, I just hope DG can see this.
Anyway, every time DG updates Cognition Rom, we can see him switching from Touchwiz to Stock Launcher, or switching back, for different reasons. The same thing happens to the lock screen.
For example, this time DG removed Touchwiz for its laggy, but someone like me really don't care that little lag, I just think the transparent background of the app drawer is much cooler than the stock one...yeah, maybe I'm a weirdo...
Since nothing can make everyone happy, why not just make two of them at each edition, one is more Sammy and the other is more Stock?

Or take some time to learn how it works and you can put it back in yourself. That's the beauty, imho, of the android. You can make it fit yourself. DG is doin' what rox his sox, he's just offerin' it up to us unwashed masses.
I've gotten to where I can make the phone look any way I want and this is my first android phone. Patience and diligence. You can do it too.

ive pretty much learned how to put everything i like in place. launcher, keyboards, etc. the only thing im trying to learn is how to get my preferred lockscreen into any given rom. Is there anyone who can teach me or point me to some references so i can start learning how to do this.

The search feature can amaze you with its knowledge I have seen several threads and posts on the main cognition thread about changing the lock screen
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crystalhand said:
The search feature can amaze you with its knowledge I have seen several threads and posts on the main cognition thread about changing the lock screen
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You are my hero .
thx for the info .

p4ranoid4ndroid said:
ive pretty much learned how to put everything i like in place. launcher, keyboards, etc. the only thing im trying to learn is how to get my preferred lockscreen into any given rom. Is there anyone who can teach me or point me to some references so i can start learning how to do this.
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Not to belabor the point, but Search is a powerful tool
But this one is on the house:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9296761&postcount=9835
and if you really need the original Samsung screen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9310172&postcount=10045

Cognition blows! Its buggy, no live wallpaper, exchange mail doesn't work, Gmail doesn't push, random force stops... avoid cognition
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His feature flip-flopping always ground my gears when I was using Cognition as my daily driver.

Cognition has live wallpaper.

curti.nogg said:
Cognition has live wallpaper.
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One of the versions didn't.

MikeyMike01 said:
One of the versions didn't.
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Correct and now it's missing the android keyboard.
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curti.nogg said:
Correct and now it's missing the android keyboard.
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My point exactly.

what's the point of an android if gmail doesnt push???

danalo1979 said:
Cognition blows! Its buggy, no live wallpaper, exchange mail doesn't work, Gmail doesn't push, random force stops... avoid cognition
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Wow, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
To each his own, no need to rom bash.

Cog rom
Running Cognition 2.3b6, gmail pushes, live wallpaper works, etc. I agree the flip flop isn't great, but hey, he is doing this, and he doesn't have to. Until CM 6.1 comes out, I will keep using his ROMS.

Never had those kind of crazy issues with a Cog ROM. I know he has added/removed apps with each rev.
BUT... with that said he has justified each time he has taken a step back.
Plus - it clearly says BETA - meaning NOT A COMPLETED PRODUCT AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE
Sheesh.

cappysw10 said:
Wow, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
To each his own, no need to rom bash.
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This. Devs like DG work hard for the community, don't bash their work.

iOS5-like Notifications?

How difficult would it be to do notifications like those shown in iOS5 (http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/gallery.html#video-ios)?
They sure look good from a UI standpoint (I never found the stock Android notifications bar very elegant, or useful (it gets too cluttered).
If someone can build this into a ROM or a launcher, it would make many of us very happy.

No it wouldn't.
To me it looks like ****.
Pure copy of Android.

Only real difference I can tell is that the notifications are separated instead of all running into each other. Mail is under the mail title bar, messages is under the messages title bar, etc.

They do look quite nice. Apple always seem to get UI design looking good

voodooboy3000 said:
They do look quite nice. Apple always seem to get UI design looking good
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I'm gonna pretend I never heard that.

Just get yourself a iPhone and you can get it
MacGuy2006 said:
How difficult would it be to do notifications like those shown in iOS5 (http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/gallery.html#video-ios)?
They sure look good from a UI standpoint (I never found the stock Android notifications bar very elegant, or useful (it gets too cluttered).
If someone can build this into a ROM or a launcher, it would make many of us very happy.
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Yes, but notifications have nothing to do with the launcher! They are included in the ROM itself.
No hope to find an app for that!

Making it would be easy, but finding someone that is willing to do it is harder
I could probably do it, but who wants it anyway?
Most people here are Apple haters.

voodooboy3000 said:
They do look quite nice. Apple always seem to get UI design looking good
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Not really? They're just squares.

I don't like Apple but i would like to see this running on our device.i mean really they copied the notification idea from android
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Why would you want something like that? Apple does many things but none of it is done properly.
Multitasking - its actually just alt + tab, apps do not run in the background, they are paused, that totally contradicts the term multitasking.
Browsing - wow I didn't even know they do not have text reflow, omg so lame, they just included it in this new update. It also doesn't have flash and the speed can't match android.
What UI? Oh you mean the app drawer, yeah it looks...limited. No scrollable wallpaper and no widgets, just a bunch of apps without any type of organization. I laugh at iFans telling me that they don't need widgets. Actually if you show off with some of the android exclusive features they say they do not need it, but once it's introduced in their crapOS they think its the best thing ever invented.
I'm only looking forward for the next android version which brings hardware acceleration, iOS will totally be left behind.

raymond4 said:
I don't like Apple but i would like to see this running on our device.i mean really they copied the notification idea from android
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Oh great, lets pull the "patent" card. Samsung must of copied iOS by making their TouchWiz launcher appear as iOS.
Regardless of whatever someone suggests, Android is all about openness and options. If a dev wants to do it, go ahead. If you don't like it, then don't go in their threads bashing the idea.
The idea for Android is all about options, some you may like, some you won't. Move on.
The notification system actually came from a developer from the Cydia store. Apple hired him and he made their notification system.
Proof: http://www.gadgetera.in/apple-hired...ogether-a-better-ios-notification-system/834/

My bad bro i didn't mean to bash anyone of the idea of them doing this.
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profete162 said:
Yes, but notifications have nothing to do with the launcher! They are included in the ROM itself.
No hope to find an app for that!
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detailed its a part of the systemui.apk and it would not that hard, but look at MIUI! Miles better than the apple crap
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I like the feature of having sliders on the lockscreen for all the different types of notifications which unlocks the phone and immediately opens up the corresponding app. That's a very nice addon.

I cant believe the ignorance of this OP, "iOS5-like notifications" more like android like notification + weather it justs adds clutter to the importantance of notificaions i think just a degree # would be it maybe in a miui rom or somethin

This is true. iOS is a really aesthetically pleasing UI. Android just feels bare bones. I personally own an iPad and I was playing around with some Android tablets at the store and boy were they ugly. I don't know, it just seems so bad.
Why can't we have nice apps like Apple?
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fraspas said:
This is true. iOS is a really aesthetically pleasing UI. Android just feels bare bones. I personally own an iPad and I was playing around with some Android tablets at the store and boy were they ugly. I don't know, it just seems so bad.
Why can't we have nice apps like Apple?
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I can agree that Apple's apps are somehow better than Android. But I can assure you that, Android is growing ridiculously fast Probably just another few months, you will see that APPLE Android's will be equally good than Apple!
You say they are ugly? I can assure you that just searching around this forum, you can find theme and wallpaper and icon pack that is amazingly astonishing

meetagrawal said:
I like the feature of having sliders on the lockscreen for all the different types of notifications which unlocks the phone and immediately opens up the corresponding app. That's a very nice addon.
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We already have this feature via an application called WidgetLocker. And it is very nice, but apple is quite a but behind the 8 ball on this one. I have been running this feature via this app for at least 6 months now!
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This is off topic, but watching that video just made me angry. Is apple seriously that arrogant? "iOS is the world's most popular gaming platform". Are you serious? I can hear Gabe Newell laughing from here...

Coolest Features of the GS3?

So I am still trying to figure out how to turn on that one feature where you can reject calls by saying "Reject!" Maybe its not supported on my ROM (I'm on the newest Synergies builds).
Therefore, I was wondering if some of you could list some of your most favorite features of the GS3....whatever that may be in order to make your day-to-day operations easier.
Thanks!

ghilliek9 said:
So I am still trying to figure out how to turn on that one feature where you can reject calls by saying "Reject!" Maybe its not supported on my ROM (I'm on the newest Synergies builds).
Therefore, I was wondering if some of you could list some of your most favorite features of the GS3....whatever that may be in order to make your day-to-day operations easier.
Thanks!
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My favorite feature? The unlocked bootloader
I've been running CM10 for a week or so now and I have to say that I really miss the tw camera on the stock GS3. I don't know if you consider the camera software a feature or not but that app is amazing.

Relentless D said:
My favorite feature? The unlocked bootloader
I've been running CM10 for a week or so now and I have to say that I really miss the tw camera on the stock GS3. I don't know if you consider the camera software a feature or not but that app is amazing.
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Yeah I think there are ways you can take it out of the TW ROM and place it into CM10...I'm just waiting for CM10 to stabalize and off I go! I've had it for a few days and seems good! the HDR Camera+ and Camera360 are great too!

I haven't seen anything like that. The TW camera app is what has kept me from going to CM10. I also like the TW calendar more than AOSP.

ghilliek9 said:
Yeah I think there are ways you can take it out of the TW ROM and place it into CM10...I'm just waiting for CM10 to stabalize and off I go! I've had it for a few days and seems good! the HDR Camera+ and Camera360 are great too!
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Believe me, I've tried to get it in there. I've ported over various tw framework files along with it but just can't get it to work.
Let me qualify this by saying that I'm no dev and don't *really* know what I'm doing
MB when JB is released officially for this phone it can be ported.

Relentless D said:
Believe me, I've tried to get it in there. I've ported over various tw framework files along with it but just can't get it to work.
Let me qualify this by saying that I'm no dev and don't *really* know what I'm doing
MB when JB is released officially for this phone it can be ported.
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well, clearly you do know what you're doing/talking about. I must have mixed it up with some other apps. But hey, its good to know! I'll have to keep that in mind, thanks!

killer feature
Unofficial AOKP Jellybean is working breat for me. Only ROM I've used so far and I have had zero issues mentioned in its thread.
I hated TW and VZW bloat was too much

Personally, the one thing I would love if it worked right is the smart stay. I love the idea behind it, but in practicallity, unless I have the phone oriented just right it won't work. I've check the camera without moving, and I've had more than 3/4 of my face in easy view and still the screen would shut off.

noingwhat said:
Personally, the one thing I would love if it worked right is the smart stay. I love the idea behind it, but in practicallity, unless I have the phone oriented just right it won't work. I've check the camera without moving, and I've had more than 3/4 of my face in easy view and still the screen would shut off.
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The smart stay doesn't actually recognize your face. It throws that little eyeball notification in the status bar so it will distract you and your eyes move to "see what it is" the camera picks up your eye movement(or doesn't) and either keeps the screen on or not.
-Sent from my Synergistic SIII

Coolest feature of the GS3?
Ummmm, that would be ummmmmm, the GS3. Lol!
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Im on Synergy and the voice commands still work. Make sure its check on in the settings under language and input.

ghilliek9 said:
Yeah I think there are ways you can take it out of the TW ROM and place it into CM10...I'm just waiting for CM10 to stabalize and off I go! I've had it for a few days and seems good! the HDR Camera+ and Camera360 are great too!
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i think the tw cam is based on code from the touchwiz framework. i doubt you can use it on cm10. but the aosp camera in the i9300 forum is really nice if you want cm10. i also love the phone and contacts apps. and the motion controls are really cool.

Google wallet! (though needing hacked lib files/apk is stupid,! )
It's funny to see people's reaction when I use my phone to pay.
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kanc3r said:
Unofficial AOKP Jellybean is working breat for me. Only ROM I've used so far and I have had zero issues mentioned in its thread.
I hated TW and VZW bloat was too much
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That's awesome! Maybe some of the newer builds have cleaned up. When I had it, I never had issues either but read horror stories so just to be safe I went back to TW...maybe I'll try it again.

Brian Gove said:
The smart stay doesn't actually recognize your face. It throws that little eyeball notification in the status bar so it will distract you and your eyes move to "see what it is" the camera picks up your eye movement(or doesn't) and either keeps the screen on or not.
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Hmmm interesting! Good to know lol

Kawirider1228 said:
Im on Synergy and the voice commands still work. Make sure its check on in the settings under language and input.
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I did not have that turned on....thanks!!! I'll have to try it out now! That's what I was looking for!

Brian Gove said:
The smart stay doesn't actually recognize your face. It throws that little eyeball notification in the status bar so it will distract you and your eyes move to "see what it is" the camera picks up your eye movement(or doesn't) and either keeps the screen on or not.
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Seriously? Well that actually sounds really stupid now, because I've actually been trying to train myself to ignore it. I hate that thing and find it really distracting. Also, how then is it supposed to work in an app which displays in full screen mode?

noingwhat said:
Seriously? Well that actually sounds really stupid now, because I've actually been trying to train myself to ignore it. I hate that thing and find it really distracting. Also, how then is it supposed to work in an app which displays in full screen mode?
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It just doesn't.
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The one where you lift it like you're calling, to call the person you're messaging/viewing in contacts. Saves like one button press, but I still think it's awesome.
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I think the coolest feature of the phone is the great progress all of the developers have made so far with unlocking the bootloader, getting ROMS ported over and all of the awesome stuff that is to come (MIUI hint hint)

First impression of Ubuntu touch

Yes yes yes there is a version for Verizon gs3 available in case you have not seen.
I would have brought along some screen shots....but I don't think Ubuntu would let me :/
Anyways
I know my opinion is irrelevant because you guys do not care and the build is currently the definition of " Not a daily driver"
However,
One can still understand the flow and mechanics of the layout.
I use my phone for everything. Quickly moving from one app to another.
In this sense, Ubuntu flows like a river in how to navigate through the apps and home pages. Everything was smooth and no lag any where.
I did find a draw back to the easy access though.
Because of all the swipes in different locations at different times and the multiple spots to pull down different sections of the notification bar, you find your self
Being as clumsy as a new born giraffe while navigating.
Also, because hard ware keys are broken. I found my self somewhere but lost. It would take me a minute to get where I needed to go only because I just didn't know how to get there haha
Coming from touch wiz and an AOSP ROM here and there... Ubuntu almost seems childish?
The layout makes me feel like an old man picking up a smart phone for the first time.
The colors and theme remind me of a day care.
Haha I know all of this is purely theme as not everyone will be happy with it.
But the idea and creativity into this is purely AMAZING.
One of the most refreshing (ROM?) I have used.
I will be coming back when it is daily qualified and might even think that day would be donation worthy
Side notes:
If you are thinking about flashing. DO it.
It was fun until I realized there is no WiFi or network.
Most Apps open but don't work
No settings?
Can't turn screen off?
Lock screen was only a picture I believe?
Did not seem to be interactive yet.
random contacts and media in there. I believe it was for the demo purposes only.
But get
Hey, after one day of release. Phantom already had it out.
Seriously put a smile on my face.
Let me know what you guys think.
Try not to be a **** on this forum.
If after reading this and you just absolutely hate me, PM me about it instead.
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Is it available for Verizon GS3. Can you please provide the link.
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rajkumard said:
Is it available for Verizon GS3. Can you please provide the link.
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I'd love to provide the link. But I am sure it is against the rules somewhere to share links to other peoples work whom do not have it posted on xda.
It is available at roots wiki for the Verizon galaxy s3.
Sorry guys :/
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Isn't it based on CM? Thought I read that on Twitter. Pretty cool for them.
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bobAbooE said:
Isn't it based on CM? Thought I read that on Twitter. Pretty cool for them.
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I believe so. The file clearly has cm in the name Haha so it would make sense
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It's not based on CM, from what I understand it requires that to be installed first to get this booting on our phones. The CM file is only about 50mb.

zakth said:
It's not based on CM, from what I understand it requires that to be installed first to get this booting on our phones. The CM file is only about 50mb.
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Yeah well it is a two part flash kind of lay out. And I believe that xda wrote an article about this.
Check the portal and read what they had to say.
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It's definitely different and original, which I like. Hard to get a real feel for it since it's basically a non-working demo at this point. Lots of swiping all over the place to do everything. But it looks pretty clean and has some cool features like the favorite apps bar and easy app switching/multitasking.

for people asking about the link, it is on rootzwiki forum.

Saw an article on this and knew it would be posted about here. Not ready to try it out myself just yet. But I do like the idea and will be watching. Unfortunate that they put out a semi-functional build with flaws such as these but it's understandable.

I am definitely excited to see this up and running.
Make it so number one!

Tazer2death said:
Saw an article on this and knew it would be posted about here. Not ready to try it out myself just yet. But I do like the idea and will be watching. Unfortunate that they put out a semi-functional build with flaws such as these but it's understandable.
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Builds for the GS3 variants is just a developer preview, I'm guessing we won't see a solid functional build for any device until the source code drops which will probably be around the same time the Ubuntu phone is announced/released. Truly unique experience, lots of swiping and great for multi tasking which I do a lot of. Wasn't too thrilled with the dock system but I suppose it's worth getting use to. The ability to dual boot ubuntu touch/android will be the selling point for most ppl.

Shibby87 said:
Builds for the GS3 variants is just a developer preview, I'm guessing we won't see a solid functional build for any device until the source code drops which will probably be around the same time the Ubuntu phone is announced/released. Truly unique experience, lots of swiping and great for multi tasking which I do a lot of. Wasn't too thrilled with the dock system but I suppose it's worth getting use to. The ability to dual boot ubuntu touch/android will be the selling point for most ppl.
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Do you have any idea when the Ubuntu phone is going to be ?
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barrackOBAMA said:
Yes yes yes there is a version for Verizon gs3 available in case you have not seen.
I would have brought along some screen shots....but I don't think Ubuntu would let me :/
Anyways
I know my opinion is irrelevant because you guys do not care and the build is currently the definition of " Not a daily driver"
However,
One can still understand the flow and mechanics of the layout.
I use my phone for everything. Quickly moving from one app to another.
In this sense, Ubuntu flows like a river in how to navigate through the apps and home pages. Everything was smooth and no lag any where.
I did find a draw back to the easy access though.
Because of all the swipes in different locations at different times and the multiple spots to pull down different sections of the notification bar, you find your self
Being as clumsy as a new born giraffe while navigating.
Also, because hard ware keys are broken. I found my self somewhere but lost. It would take me a minute to get where I needed to go only because I just didn't know how to get there haha
Coming from touch wiz and an AOSP ROM here and there... Ubuntu almost seems childish?
The layout makes me feel like an old man picking up a smart phone for the first time.
The colors and theme remind me of a day care.
Haha I know all of this is purely theme as not everyone will be happy with it.
But the idea and creativity into this is purely AMAZING.
One of the most refreshing (ROM?) I have used.
I will be coming back when it is daily qualified and might even think that day would be donation worthy
Side notes:
If you are thinking about flashing. DO it.
It was fun until I realized there is no WiFi or network.
Most Apps open but don't work
No settings?
Can't turn screen off?
Lock screen was only a picture I believe?
Did not seem to be interactive yet.
random contacts and media in there. I believe it was for the demo purposes only.
But get
Hey, after one day of release. Phantom already had it out.
Seriously put a smile on my face.
Let me know what you guys think.
Try not to be a **** on this forum.
If after reading this and you just absolutely hate me, PM me about it instead.
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I would love to test once they work out some more bugs.

Who cares about a locked bootloader any ways.

Yes I love Cyanogen and it would be nice to have a recovery but what about all the great things from TouchWiz.
If Dan does have an unlock and does release it then yes I probably will unlock but I don't think I can part from TouchWiz. Yet...
Since I bought my wife an S4 also we use S-Beam for sharing pictures of the kids a LOT! That brings me to my next point, the camera is ridiculously good. I don't need to mention how handy the multi-window is...
Will probably run modified stock Roms. Comments?
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So far the mods to TW have been quite impressive, Nottach's Framework for example and P-ROM. Still would very much like a true pure Android experience that I can play with and mod myself. Can't do that without the bootloader unlock though but I can definitely live with what we got for quite a while if I had too

ZPaul2Fresh8 said:
Yes I love Cyanogen and it would be nice to have a recovery but what about all the great things from TouchWiz.
If Dan does have an unlock and does release it then yes I probably will unlock but I don't think I can part from TouchWiz. Yet...
Will probably run modified stock Roms. Comments?
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This is a perfect example of not reading the threads. Do you even know what to do with the fix when you see it? will you know how to apply it? Not bashing you, but sir, I think before you even see a fix, you need to read way more, what is Cyanogen? is it some kind of recovery method? answer to your question is yes, it allows to run other modified TW roms also. This ain't no damn iPhone.

TheAxman said:
This is a perfect example of not reading the threads. Do you even know what to do with the fix when you see it? will you know how to apply it? Not bashing you, but sir, I think before you even see a fix, you need to read way more, what is Cyanogen? is it some kind of recovery method? answer to your question is yes, it allows to run other modified TW roms also. This ain't no damn iPhone.
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Uh, I'd listen to your own advice there, chief.
He didn't even have a question, and from the way it sounds he is plenty aware of the difference between a custom ROM and a recovery. What are you talking about?
And OP, I think I'm having the same dilemma...the mods that have come out for TW have been amazing - and honestly I don't know of any specific features on AOSP ROMs that I DON'T have right now.
And let's be real, I enjoy it when people were are like, "ooh, is that an S4?" And I respond by turning off a random TV in the area, or by scrolling through my gallery just by waving my hand. I'd miss that I think
So yeah I'll definitely unlock once available, but I'll most likely stick with stock-based ROMs too.

CPA Poke said:
Uh, I'd listen to your own advice there, chief.
He didn't even have a question, and from the way it sounds he is plenty aware of the difference between a custom ROM and a recovery.
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Your right, I was actually commenting on his TW opinion, it is a comment. And I prefer TW roms also. more stable.

Choice is always a good thing, just because you have a unlocked bootloader doesn't mean you have to get rid of tw.
For me I always like to just fix what ever I feel is wrong or missing or locked out from a stock rom.
At the end of the day people have to use what makes then happy.
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TheAxman said:
This is a perfect example of not reading the threads. Do you even know what to do with the fix when you see it? will you know how to apply it? Not bashing you, but sir, I think before you even see a fix, you need to read way more, what is Cyanogen? is it some kind of recovery method? answer to your question is yes, it allows to run other modified TW roms also. This ain't no damn iPhone.
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I think you're on crack. LMAO. It hurts to ponder what you THOUGHT you read.
And I did forget to mention the IR blaster. But they're is finally an alternative to SmartON. Try SmartRemote made specifically for the S4 but it is $9.99. It does allow you to make custom remotes so you can place buttons from any device all onto just 1 remote. Also allows custom commands through Pronto HEX codes.
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ZPaul2Fresh8 said:
I think you're on crack. LMAO. It hurts to ponder what you THOUGHT you read.
And I did forget to mention the IR blaster. But they're is finally an alternative to SmartON. Try SmartRemote made specifically for the S4 but it is $9.99. It does allow you to make custom remotes so you can place buttons from any device all onto just 1 remote. Also allows custom commands through Pronto HEX codes.
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Actually, I should not have added bourbon to my coffee.

TheAxman said:
Actually, I should not have added bourbon to my coffee.
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It's all good. I've woken up a few times still half asleep having that same problem.
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ZPaul2Fresh8 said:
Yes I love Cyanogen and it would be nice to have a recovery but what about all the great things from TouchWiz.
If Dan does have an unlock and does release it then yes I probably will unlock but I don't think I can part from TouchWiz. Yet...
Since I bought my wife an S4 also we use S-Beam for sharing pictures of the kids a LOT! That brings me to my next point, the camera is ridiculously good. I don't need to mention how handy the multi-window is...
Will probably run modified stock Roms. Comments?
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I am surprised to find I am starting to feel the same way. I've modified, configured and optimized the stock ROM quite a bit now and it is running very nicely. Looking forward to flashing a custom recovery so I can backup and restore and experiment with what's out there, but it's going to be a tough decision to run modified stock versus CM. I have also found battery life to be excellent with the Stock ROM.

Been trying out the new Samsung features for a while. To me they're nothing more than gimmicks. They're great for making a cool looking commercial, but mostly useless in real life. Air gestures? Please....I'm an adult, how often are my fingers too filthy to touch my phone? The eye tracking features worked sporadically, at best. And not at all in a dimly lit room. Can't wait to unlock this bootloader, flash a ROM, and get rid the mountain of Samsung bloat apps...not to mention AT&T's contribution to that mountain...
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ZPaul2Fresh8 said:
Yes I love Cyanogen and it would be nice to have a recovery but what about all the great things from TouchWiz.
If Dan does have an unlock and does release it then yes I probably will unlock but I don't think I can part from TouchWiz. Yet...
Since I bought my wife an S4 also we use S-Beam for sharing pictures of the kids a LOT! That brings me to my next point, the camera is ridiculously good. I don't need to mention how handy the multi-window is...
Will probably run modified stock Roms. Comments?
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BlastTyrantKM said:
Been trying out the new Samsung features for a while. To me they're nothing more than gimmicks. They're great for making a cool looking commercial, but mostly useless in real life. Air gestures? Please....I'm an adult, how often are my fingers too filthy to touch my phone? The eye tracking features worked sporadically, at best. And not at all in a dimly lit room. Can't wait to unlock this bootloader, flash a ROM, and get rid the mountain of Samsung bloat apps...not to mention AT&T's contribution to that mountain...
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I jump back and forth between these two ends of the opinion spectrum in regards to TW and Samsung's (AT&T's) stock ROM. This is probably the first android phone that I could honestly be okay with never flashing a custom rom on. I will still unlock the bootloader when it becomes available. I will still flash a custom recovery (nandroid backups are a really nice thing to have, and I'm disappointed that carriers don't include this) when it becomes available as well. I *might* flash a custom rom based on the stock rom, but I think I'd rather stick to stock as much as possible, at least for some time.
As for the gimmicky features it comes with, I sort of agree, yet it's fun to show off to friends. I normally keep the gestures and eye scrolling turned off, and I keep the NFC turned off when not in use. I did buy the $9.99 remote app, and I'm surprisingly content with it. I need to offer some feedback about being able to actually drag/drop to change the order of the buttons on the other screen, but otherwise it's so much better than the WatchOn stuff that I have recently frozen using TiBu.
And on to speaking of freezing apps. With root, I'm pretty content. I can use TiBu Pro (to anyone reading this, go buy the Pro version - it's completely worth it!!) to freeze all the bloatware that I don't like. Every few days since I got my phone, I re-evaluate the list in TiBu and check into any blaotware I haven't frozen yet. "Do I need this? Have I used this? Nope! Frozen." I've done this for nearly all of the "Samsung ____" apps, including the Samsung store and all the associated apps (Samsung account, etc.). Did the same for every "AT&T ___" app that it came with - they're all garbage to me. Next on my list to evaluate and possibly freeze is all the printing services - do I really need to print from my phone? Maybe if it were my work phone...
I suppose one good reason I would want to flash a customized stock-based rom would be to free up some space. Having a 16gb version is no different than my S2 was... but I definitely had a few more GB's of room to store all the cool photos. And with larger picture files, and a faster camera, the storage is suddenly a bit more important to me.
And finally, the camera, and its associated apps/modes. I see a lot of people freezing some of the apps that allow some of the cool modes this camera can use. I'm not a professional photographer, but I love taking awesome pictures with this phone. It rival's my wife's Nikon 9300 point-and-shoot, with the exception of the Nikon's zoom lens. But as far as features and quality are concerned, it's possibly better.
This thing has been pretty smooth since day negative-one for me. Even better when we got root and the bloatware was frozen. Even snappier and better on battery once that first OTA dropped. I'm pretty impressed, and it certainly is a huge step up from my S2 running CM10.1.
TL;DR: I really like the stock rom and all the cool things it offers. The performance is great. I do like some of the gimmicky things, even if I rarely use them. With the root ability to freeze things I don't use, I could definitely see keeping this thing "stock" for this device's lifetime.
PS: It's also nice to see the "Official" status, as though I haven't violated the phone too badly...

Couldn't agree more. As you all mentioned, the security of having a custom recovery + Nandroid really opens up a lot of ground for flashing new mods and having the comfort of that fallback instead of only being able to Odin back to stock if I jack something up (which has NEVER happened or anything...lol).

@Aou I too use a Titanium Backup Pro and freeze the bloat. But I kept the Samsung Apps because it had some that you can't find on Google like the Video Editor app.
Let me remind you that the Xposed framework adds new functionality without the need to flash roms. As you can see from the screen shot I was able to mod the screen without touching the framework. Easy and reversible.
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I don't unlock and root my devices to get rid of the stock interface (Touchwiz, Sense etc) i simply do it for a better rom with tweaks that makes it faster and battery life better..
and when i finally get sick of my stock interface ill flash a AOSP rom
i know some people disagree but i think the stock rom on this phone is laggy.. even after disabling S Voice and Smart stay/Air view

Wierd I couldn't add the image.

There we go lol
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ZPaul2Fresh8 said:
Yes I love Cyanogen and it would be nice to have a recovery but what about all the great things from TouchWiz.
If Dan does have an unlock and does release it then yes I probably will unlock but I don't think I can part from TouchWiz. Yet...
Since I bought my wife an S4 also we use S-Beam for sharing pictures of the kids a LOT! That brings me to my next point, the camera is ridiculously good. I don't need to mention how handy the multi-window is...
Will probably run modified stock Roms. Comments?
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dunno if anyone else pointed this out to you yet, but even without s beam, non touchwiz phones still all have Android Beam (you know.. the concept S Beam was based off of?)
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BlastTyrantKM said:
Air gestures? Please....I'm an adult, how often are my fingers too filthy to touch my phone?
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O you must be working in an extra clean environment. I know I don't. My hands get dirty often and these air gestures work for me.
Aside from that, what I am looking forward to is being able to have a pattern unlock And lock screen widgets at the same time. Unless Samsung releases an update for that.

Already a thread on this a few threads away