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I'm looking for a laptop with a dedicated graphics card (for gaming and video editing) with a price below $1000. I'd prefer that the keyboard NOT have a number pad to the right of the keys, and that the screen be at least 14 inches. The lighter, the better. Any ideas?
I own a Lenovo Y570 and I like it alot. Has an Intel i7 CPU with 8GB of RAM. And most importantly it's got an Nvidia GT555 with the switchable graphics, to disable dedicated GPU when you don't need it and need to be in battery-save mode. The 15.6" version has a full keyboard with numpad, but I don't think the Y470 has a numpad.
Dell elianware,macbook
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I own a Lenovo Y570 and I like it alot. Has an Intel i7 CPU with 8GB of RAM. And most importantly it's got an Nvidia GT555 with the switchable graphics, to disable dedicated GPU when you don't need it and need to be in battery-save mode. The 15.6" version has a full keyboard with numpad, but I don't think the Y470 has a numpad.
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I just looked it (y570) up and wow, it seems like a great deal. However, I can't find the y470 anywhere :? is it only available directly from Lenovo?
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Alienwares are too...heavy, and Macbooks are >$1000
Anyone else?
EDIT: just found out that the y470 is discontinued, but has been replaced by the y470p, which is more or less the same thing except you can pick between Nvidia and AMD graphics...thanks jenocide
gullu101 said:
I'm looking for a laptop with a dedicated graphics card (for gaming and video editing) with a price below $1000. I'd prefer that the keyboard NOT have a number pad to the right of the keys, and that the screen be at least 14 inches. The lighter, the better. Any ideas?
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Lenovo or HP would be your best bet, as far as graphics are concerned i would go with HP (depending on what you are trying to do).
gullu101 said:
I just looked it (y570) up and wow, it seems like a great deal. However, I can't find the y470 anywhere :? is it only available directly from Lenovo?
Alienwares are too...heavy, and Macbooks are >$1000
Anyone else?
EDIT: just found out that the y470 is discontinued, but has been replaced by the y470p, which is more or less the same thing except you can pick between Nvidia and AMD graphics...thanks jenocide
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np. I was going to link you to the lenovo site, usually the best place to get one, that's where I got mine.
gullu101 said:
I just looked it (y570) up and wow, it seems like a great deal. However, I can't find the y470 anywhere :? is it only available directly from Lenovo?
Alienwares are too...heavy, and Macbooks are >$1000
Anyone else?
EDIT: just found out that the y470 is discontinued, but has been replaced by the y470p, which is more or less the same thing except you can pick between Nvidia and AMD graphics...thanks jenocide
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Is 4.5 lbs too heavy for you?
Alienware all the way bro. <$1000
http://www.alienware.com/Landings/laptops.aspx
Which one is less than 4.5 lbs (besides the m11x, screen's too small :-/ )
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Hi,
I want to buy TF700.
But I've read in another section of XDA forums that TF700 has speed throttling issues writing to internal storage.
Is anyone familiar with this, and if so, has issue been resolved?
Thanks.
Alan
no.
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Do you mean
1. No, your not familiar with it, or
2. No, it hasn't been resolved.
Thanks.
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Has not been resolved. Plenty of threads on it in these forums.
There are some workarounds, as with the browser (browser2ram), plus tweaks, disabling bloat, etc. - but the I/O problem still (and will continue) to exist. It's hardware based.
TF700 I/O Throttling Issue?
John,
Thanks for your reply.
Is this issue bad enough to pass on buying the TF700?
I don't care about games. Would use it for web browsing, Office work, SKYPE video, and photo viewing and uploading.
Would I have to root to accomplish any tweaks? I'm not anxious to do that yet to a new machine, since I'm new to Android.
My other main consideration is the Galaxy Note 10.
But I liked the higher resolution and keyboard of the TF700.
Do you have any opinion?
Thanks again.
Alan
What exactly does the throttling affect? I read somewhere that ASUS cheaped out on the RAM in the Infinity. Does it affect the speed of switching program to program? I haven't noticed any extreme issues with speed. Then again, I have disabled a ton of of the bloatware and tweaked a lot of the settings to get maximum performance (on non rooted JB). I did notice that after upgrading to JB and then reformatting, things ran smoother.
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In my experience upgrading to jelly bean has made a difference and provides a much smoother experience.
However before you do that it is worth considering rooting the Infinity (doesn't void warranty) then restoring root after the upgrade as you can tweak things so that the io is not really an issue.
Custom Roms certainly help as well.
I do feel that people on xda have become somewhat fixated with the asus io issues. In everyday use they are not really that noticeable especially after the JB upgrade.
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Is this issue bad enough to pass on buying the TF700?
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I know this sounds crap, but only you can tell.
I don't care about games. Would use it for web browsing, Office work, SKYPE video, and photo viewing and uploading.
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Any resource-intensive task may let the I/O issue surface. Photo viewing is OK, uploading, well... that would depend on several other factors (WiFi quality, the type of image files and their size/resolution/compression level). Web browsing is hit or miss: most do not notice a drastic impediment, but others do. Very personal. And all the same considerations apply to Skype/VOIP in general/word-processing software.
Day to day use is not that bad, however, even on stock, unless you have a 'Monday-morning model'...
Would I have to root to accomplish any tweaks? I'm not anxious to do that yet to a new machine, since I'm new to Android.
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Yes, you would need root, definitely. Not that hard to accomplish, IF you can follow instructions to the letter. Being really new to Android, you'll either have to start somewhere, or just use what is given to you by the manufacturer.
My other main consideration is the Galaxy Note 10.
But I liked the higher resolution and keyboard of the TF700.
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In my opinion, if you are even considering the Note, it's not that big a difference to you. I wouldn't even consider the Note a serious contender for the same reasons you gave, but, again, that is as personal as it gets.
Do you have any opinion
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Heh, opinions. They're like sphincters, right -- (pretty much) everyone having one? It seems everyone on XDA --or on forums in general -- has some voyeuristic tendencies showing off their virtual a**holes -- don't worry, we'll voice our opinions, even if you do not like them.
Joeful said:
What exactly does the throttling affect? I read somewhere that ASUS cheaped out on the RAM in the Infinity. Does it affect the speed of switching program to program? I haven't noticed any extreme issues with speed. Then again, I have disabled a ton of of the bloatware and tweaked a lot of the settings to get maximum performance (on non rooted JB). I did notice that after upgrading to JB and then reformatting, things ran smoother.
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Yes, they used a relatively slow Hynix unit, from what I've read. Read up on the I/O issue on the load of threads that are a bit older -- we went into a relatively deep discussion there which is hard/futile/unnecessary to reproduce here. There's a lot of info and considerations mentioned in there -- take a look!
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M
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What exactly does the throttling affect? I read somewhere that ASUS cheaped out on the RAM in the Infinity.
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It's not about the RAM, it's the embedded MMC, which is slower than the internal storage in many other Android-based devices. The effect is visible whenever you try to load or store larger amounts of data in the internal storage - installing apps, loading pictures, downloading files, etc.
For years, PC users have suffered from slow storage until SSDs became affordable - our eMMC is even slower than a mechanical hard drive in a netbook. Software can only work around the storage slowness by caching, but this cannot fully hide the issues.
azscharf said:
Hi,
I want to buy TF700.
But I've read in another section of XDA forums that TF700 has speed throttling issues writing to internal storage.
Is anyone familiar with this, and if so, has issue been resolved?
Thanks.
Alan
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Absolutely get one! Regarding the "I/O" issues - they are way overblown, to be honest. With Jelly Bean it's not much of a problem at all. There are also a few tweaks around (browser2ram, for example), that make browsing a much faster experience (along with a few other tweaks here and there).
Overall, the TF700 is an awesome tablet with a *super* awesome display and great keyboard dock. We are just now starting to realize the potential of this device and developers are starting to produce custom ROMs and kernels that will make it even that much better.
Do not let the I/O "problem" stop you from buying the device - you will see once you get it, that it's really not much of a problem at all.
After all, you can always return the device if you don't like it...
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TF700 I/O Throttling Issue?
Thanks everyone for the valuable information.
I'm going to stick wiith my TF&00 purchase.
sbdigs wrote:
"In my experience upgrading to jelly bean has made a difference and provides a much smoother experience.
However before you do that it is worth considering rooting the Infinity (doesn't void warranty) then restoring root after the upgrade as you can tweak things so that the io is not really an issue."
Question:
Why root before upgrading to JB and restore root after upgrade?
Why not just root after upgrading to JB?
Thanks.
Alan
The method to root JB on our tablets has not been released yet - IOW, that is the only way to root a locked Infinity running JB
It sounds like you made a decision already, but just to back up a bit more.
Here is compiled I/O scores from official Antutu scores.
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I chose Antutu here because I could not readily find scores of many devices at once on other benchmarks, but I believe the result will be similar.
For instance, check http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...hmark-11-modern-devices-compared-in-13-tests/ Originally before update TF700 score was listed here. But with update (back in early August or late July) the RL bench score was already up to 60-90s.
So what are these proving?
Yes. I/O is slower than the that of Galaxy Note 10.1, or some android phones. But it is not unique to the Infinity. Essentially, what happening here I believe is Infinity just simply did not use top notch I/O but I don't think they cheaped out. Each manufacture decides where to put money when building a device. For example, Samsung's Galaxy Note 10.1 used 2GB RAM and nice IO but did not use Full HD screen. In a ideal world, we can always ask for more. 4GB RAM, Ivy Bridge, Retina display etc. for $500...
Conclusion is basically IO should be as good as most other android tablet out there. In fact, infinity may still be superior to some due to DDR3 RAM use. I think people made/surmised IO as major issue because transformer series had frequent ANR, and lag almost to freeze while application downloading when it was originally released (at least for TF700 and I believe similar story for TF201). Given the use of most cutting edge Tegra chip, DDR3 ram, people hypothesized IO is the bottleneck and the cause of the issue.
But now those original issues raised seemed so much better to the point I say ANR frequency is pretty identical to my iPad 2 and formerly owned Galaxy Note 10.1. System stutters slightly when installing large application sometimes, but not to the point unusable and every system has that issue. Even my desktop does get that if I do too many things at once.
I am extremely happy with this device, and currently this is the most ideal tablet on the market for me.
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I am extremely happy with this device, and currently this is the most ideal tablet on the market for me.
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Second, especially now that it's on Jellybean.
Hey guys,
I had this on another forum, but unfortunately that forum has moderators who take their job way too seriously and the topic was moved to a dead section before I could get more than one reply. But that's not important, so...
I am looking for everyone and anyone's experiences with Shadowgun THD on this device. I was digging through the Play Store's reviews and saw a ton of TF201 owners who couldn't even play the game (and a few that recommended it oddly enough), and the one TF700 review I was able to find said he experienced some lag and force closes.
Have any of you guys played the THD version on your Infinity? Experience any issues? Is it worth the (supposedly minor) graphic enhancements?
I have not purchased the normal version, I was holding out buying the game until I got this tablet, but now I am not sure if the increased graphic display will drag down gameplay. The bit of experience I had with a Madfinger game is DeadTrigger. Even though this game is not specifically a Tegra version, I am able to play on the Ultra-High graphics setting with no issues. I will say this, watching zombies fly backwards after being shot with a shotgun on an Android device is damned impressive.
Any experience or thoughts is greatly appreciated. The one reply I received on the aforementioned board was that the user experienced no issues, but I would like to hear from as many people as possible. Thanks!
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No problems for me except the game isn't outputting native 1920x1200. It looks to be an upscaled 1280x800 so it will look relatively blurry on the infinity's screen.
Plays fine on mine. Especially fun using one of my PS3 controllers through the Sixaxis app
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Keion said:
No problems for me except the game isn't outputting native 1920x1200. It looks to be an upscaled 1280x800 so it will look relatively blurry on the infinity's screen.
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Is it the same with the normal version?
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Plays fine on mine. Especially fun using one of my PS3 controllers through the Sixaxis app
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Yeah the main reason I'm getting this game is because it is one of the few shooters with gamepad support, which is way more snappy than touch emulation.
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I sometimes have trouble getting this game to play smoothly after I start shooting. If I reboot the tablet or just clear all running tasks using the task manager, it plays very well.
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Kind of related, I just tried Auralux for the first time on my JB TF700 and it laggs like hell, every 5 or 10 seconds it freezes, anyone else with this problem? I thought this was a "famous" game everyone has, but I doubt it if it laggs like this.
I never played Shadowgun THD for too long on the TF700 cause the framerate is way too low. I also experienced a few crashes. The weird thing is, I played this game a lot on my HTC One X, and never had any low framerate or crash issue. I know the screen resolution on the two devices is different, but as someone mentioned before, Shadowgun isn't displayed in 1920*1080 on the TF700.
I had no issue in Dead Trigger. The framerate is much more solid, even if the resolution of the game is higher.
I also played all the free levels of Auralux, and there was no freezes, the game was really enjoyable. However, in Beach Buggy Blitz, it's impossible to max the graphics settings if you want to keep a decent framerate. Once again, no issue on my One X, but unlike Shadowgun, the game is displayed in Full HD on the TF700, where it's "only" 720p on the One X.
Absolutely no problems with shadowgun or NOVA 3... after jelly bean update NOVA 3 flies!
interesting post as i play the regular Shadowgun on my tf700 with no problems. the graphics actually look really good and game play has been solid for me. i actually just emailed the game developers yesterday because i thought i had the THD version and realized it was the regular, i was requesting if they could help with switching, which they agreed to do (buy THD and they will refund the regular). but now im having second thoughts after reading this post. i may buy it, see how it plays and return if not as good or better.
i also play Dead Trigger and the graphics and game play are excellent on it as well.
actually, all my games are playing MUCH better after JB update. this is my second tf700 (the first had accidental damage and was replaced via squaretrade) and actually things on this one seem to run pretty good overall.
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I never played Shadowgun THD for too long on the TF700 cause the framerate is way too low. I also experienced a few crashes. The weird thing is, I played this game a lot on my HTC One X, and never had any low framerate or crash issue. I know the screen resolution on the two devices is different, but as someone mentioned before, Shadowgun isn't displayed in 1920*1080 on the TF700.
I had no issue in Dead Trigger. The framerate is much more solid, even if the resolution of the game is higher.
I also played all the free levels of Auralux, and there was no freezes, the game was really enjoyable. However, in Beach Buggy Blitz, it's impossible to max the graphics settings if you want to keep a decent framerate. Once again, no issue on my One X, but unlike Shadowgun, the game is displayed in Full HD on the TF700, where it's "only" 720p on the One X.
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Hmm that's weird, any idea what the problem might be for me? I've tried to close all tasks with the stock app manager and closed all tasks in the task bar. I play the game but it's annoying as hell when it freezes every 5 seconds. May it that it's a hardware problem? Auralux seems fun to play...if it would work.
I just tried Dead trigger also, and it also tends to lag...don't think it did before JB update though.
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Hmm that's weird, any idea what the problem might be for me? I've tried to close all tasks with the stock app manager and closed all tasks in the task bar. I play the game but it's annoying as hell when it freezes every 5 seconds. May it that it's a hardware problem? Auralux seems fun to play...if it would work.
I just tried Dead trigger also, and it also tends to lag...don't think it did before JB update though.
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So, to be sure, I restarted Auralux... and yes, there are freezes indeed. Maybe not as often as you describe, but freezes nonetheless.
The only thing that has changed between the last time I played Auralux and now is that I upgraded my tablet with the official JB update. I don't know if it's related, or even why it would be.
Maybe someone with a custom JB rom could try the game (it's free) and tell us if he's also facing such freezing issue.
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So, to be sure, I restarted Auralux... and yes, there are freezes indeed. Maybe not as often as you describe, but freezes nonetheless.
The only thing that has changed between the last time I played Auralux and now is that I upgraded my tablet with the official JB update. I don't know if it's related, or even why it would be.
Maybe someone with a custom JB rom could try the game (it's free) and tell us if he's also facing such freezing issue.
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To bump this thread I'm going to show you a video of my gameplay too.
www youtube com/watch?v=MjE_3quUJl4&feature=g-upl
Just add the periods.
Anyone know how to fix this? Is anyone else witnessing the same problem?
Auralux bug is confirmed by the developers and they are working on a fix. It is an issue with the Infinity in combination with JB.
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Hey guys,
I had this on another forum, but unfortunately that forum has moderators who take their job way too seriously and the topic was moved to a dead section before I could get more than one reply. But that's not important, so...
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Good luck. Hopefully one of the mods here won't move it to the Q&A forum effectively killing it. I wish that forum didn't exist, the mods have killed several of my threads that had just gotten going in generating some discussion by moving it to the Q&A forum which basically stops the thread cold. That is a write-only forum on this board.
I am looking for everyone and anyone's experiences with Shadowgun THD on this device. I was digging through the Play Store's reviews and saw a ton of TF201 owners who couldn't even play the game (and a few that recommended it oddly enough), and the one TF700 review I was able to find said he experienced some lag and force closes.
Have any of you guys played the THD version on your Infinity? Experience any issues? Is it worth the (supposedly minor) graphic enhancements?
I have not purchased the normal version, I was holding out buying the game until I got this tablet, but now I am not sure if the increased graphic display will drag down gameplay. The bit of experience I had with a Madfinger game is DeadTrigger. Even though this game is not specifically a Tegra version, I am able to play on the Ultra-High graphics setting with no issues. I will say this, watching zombies fly backwards after being shot with a shotgun on an Android device is damned impressive.
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I have the non-THD version and it is awesome. The reviews you saw where it was failing were probably due to ICS NVIDIA driver bug that effectively made the TFs under ICS unable to play 3d games.
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Auralux bug is confirmed by the developers and they are working on a fix. It is an issue with the Infinity in combination with JB.
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Ah okey, so I am not the only one having the freezes this frequently?
Has anyone tried playing Shadowgun THD in cleanrom? Does it make any difference in performance? I know the benchmark scores and general tasking is much faster and less laggy.
I'd just like to say my game runs like a dream. JB + root, nothing else. The rest is stock
Also the multiplayer beta runs just as well. Its a baller ass game
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Its a baller ass game
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Just to clarify: something being "baller ass" means it's "good", right?
Haha yes, American slang gets pretty ridiculous.
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The beta version is sick!
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Hi together!
Today I tried some HD games on our tablet.
I was trying dead trigger and the dark knight rises, both lagged a lot.
I tried with high performance but didn't help.
How are your experiences with games?
Edit: I just installed cpu master antutu and put scaling on demand. I think it's better now.
Perhaps someone else can try this out and confirm this.
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Hi matey,
I've been trying Dead Trigger and that one worked just fine with me. Both saving and performance mode. Dark Knight Rises (and the Amazing Spider-Man) lagged for me too. Can't really tell if this is a hardware or software limitation. Wild Blood (also a Gameloft game) lagged for me too but then after an update that was solved. I installed Modern Combat 4, which lags a little too. Especially in the cutscenes.
That's why I'm going to try out the app you mentioned, let's see if that fixes some things. Thanks for that.
I'm really hoping Vorbeth (awesome person) is able to overclock the processor (CPU). He's already done overclocking the GPU. I think after he succeeds overclocking the CPU, things are going a lot smoother.
The problem is not the CPU. on High performance, the cpu score is even better than on the Nexus 7.
The problem that causes the lags is the high display resolution since the tegra 3 is only designed to run fluently in 1280x800.
Vorbeth's custom Kernel to overclock the GPU helps a little. But I think the bottleneck is the vram speed since the framebuffer on the A700 is bigger than on other tablets.
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The problem is not the CPU. on High performance, the cpu score is even better than on the Nexus 7.
The problem that causes the lags is the high display resolution since the tegra 3 is only designed to run fluently in 1280x800.
Vorbeth's custom Kernel to overclock the GPU helps a little. But I think the bottleneck is the vram speed since the framebuffer on the A700 is bigger than on other tablets.
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Can you elaborate on the vram? I'm not familair with that, really.
The TEGRA 3 isn't specifically designed for that resultion. Optimized seems more applicable, since the CPU just processes the stuff. Overclocking would in theory process even more stuff, so that will include data from the GPU to the display, I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I've installed AnTuTu Cpu Master, but what is "Go MaxSpeed Load"? It's default value is 85,
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I've installed AnTuTu Cpu Master, but what is "Go MaxSpeed Load"? It's default value is 85,
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I have to check that, haven't even seen that option. Anyway, no idea what its for.
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Can you elaborate on the vram? I'm not familair with that, really.
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The vram is shared on the main ram which is DDR2 only on the A510/A700.
All other Tegra 3 tablets have DDR3 that should bring a bit more performance.
The A700 is basically based on the A510. The only difference is the display.
So the Asus TF700 should bring a better performance at the same CPU speed due to a faster RAM type.
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The vram is shared on the main ram which is DDR2 only on the A510/A700.
All other Tegra 3 tablets have DDR3 that should bring a bit more performance.
The A700 is basically based on the A510. The only difference is the display.
So the Asus TF700 should bring a better performance at the same CPU speed due to a faster RAM type.
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I see your point. That means we're just doomed then :/
putti71 said:
Hi together!
Today I tried some HD games on our tablet.
I was trying dead trigger and the dark knight rises, both lagged a lot.
I tried with high performance but didn't help.
How are your experiences with games?
Edit: I just installed cpu master antutu and put scaling on demand. I think it's better now.
Perhaps someone else can try this out and confirm this.
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Which version OS are you using?
In my experience, When A700 is 4.04 Dead trigger is fxxking lag.
After update to 4.1, all performance becom smoother
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Which version OS are you using?
In my experience, When A700 is 4.04 Dead trigger is fxxking lag.
After update to 4.1, all performance becom smoother
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I am on Jellybean 4.1. Dead trigger is getting better after playing it for a while, but the dark knight is the problem
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I am on Jellybean 4.1. Dead trigger is getting better after playing it for a while, but the dark knight is the problem
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dark knight... I haven't try it.
But A700 is using full HD screen... not every game optimized for this resolution...
TF700 also will meet this problem...
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dark knight... I haven't try it.
But A700 is using full HD screen... not every game optimized for this resolution...
TF700 also will meet this problem...
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mmmm,
wondering if we can lower the resolution to say 720p.... just a thought
I already had this thought since I got the A700.
It would be nice if it's possible to change the output resolution to 1280x800 that it gets upscaled to 1920x1200.
I have read up about changing the resolution on android and the key might be the kernel start parameters in the bootloader.
but also patching the display driver could do it.
If we change the kernel, there is no way back, only flashing the original kernel.
I think the best way is to wait and hope that the game developers come up with some solution, hopefully.
When I bought the HTC one x, the situation was similar. There were only a few games working. And now, all of the HD games work.
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I really doubt that the game developers will come with a solution for FullHD tablets, especially not gameloft since they care ****-all about the A700 or the Tegra 3 itself.
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I really doubt that the game developers will come with a solution for FullHD tablets, especially not gameloft since they care ****-all about the A700 or the Tegra 3 itself.
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I hope you're wrong
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I hope you're wrong
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The One X got supported as it was HTC's Flagship phone, selling quite well, Full HD Tablets don't sell so well, so they won't even invest the ££ needed to support the lesser known tablets.
They may support Full HD for the nexus 10, but thats not a Tegra device
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I am on Jellybean 4.1. Dead trigger is getting better after playing it for a while, but the dark knight is the problem
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i'm also on JB, i play dark knight fluently. However amazing spider man lags big time, too bad i liked the game and my son also..
I've flashed that GPU kernel maybe that solves dark knight.
I'm on JB (RV18RC01_EMEA_FR, build 1.052) and the games you talk (expect spiderman wich I don't have) run smoothly on my tablet.
Some games received an update that solve lag but Acer make the system better and better.
One game lag for me it's NFS most wanted. It is playable but the car seem to run slowly.
I regret that some big developer (Game Loft is the perfect example) don't support HD tablet and their games don't appear on Play Store.
But if this game are downloaded with a supported device (my Xperia S) and loaded on tab they work perfectly (Nova 3).
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with Iconian 2.4 they do appear on the playstore, but Nova 3 is still unplayable slow.
Perhaps because I buy Nova 3 directly from Game Loft.
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How feasible would it be to have a decent comp engineer to take out the old flash memory and put in a decent spec version to blast up the I/O it's risky obviously but could it work? Anyone with this sort of experience know how interchangeable these chips are? Or are they pretty device specific?
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I think this has been spoken of before. It is possible but all the skill and knowledge needed to do so would not really be worth the effort on the tablet. Even if successful it is risky to attempt as the main board in the tablet is meant to be all together, and not bothered.
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Might have a go once I've got some money together!
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Data2sd works well and is much invasive ... first do no harm
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For my money, I'd rather swap out the 1GB memory chip for either a 2 or 4GB module. Slow I/O wouldn't be as big a deal if the system could keep more things in RAM, and it would prolong the device life as well. The specs on these things are great, but I fear having only 1GB of RAM will start to really hurt as programs get larger and high-definition assets become more prevalent.
I found a video on YouTube where a guy has two Android phones with similar specs side-by-side, one with 1GB of RAM and the other with 2GB. The lag between switching applications caused by having to restart ones that get killed due to low memory is jarring.
But, since reality says it's cheaper to just buy a new device, that's probably what I'll do (in time anyway). That new one from HP (Slatebook X2 I think it's called) looks quite nice. Tegra4/Cortex-A15 with 2GB of RAM, HD display, and keyboard dock included for $479USD. Yummy!
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For my money, I'd rather swap out the 1GB memory chip for either a 2 or 4GB module. Slow I/O wouldn't be as big a deal if the system could keep more things in RAM, and it would prolong the device life as well. The specs on these things are great, but I fear having only 1GB of RAM will start to really hurt as programs get larger and high-definition assets become more prevalent.
I found a video on YouTube where a guy has two Android phones with similar specs side-by-side, one with 1GB of RAM and the other with 2GB. The lag between switching applications caused by having to restart ones that get killed due to low memory is jarring.
But, since reality says it's cheaper to just buy a new device, that's probably what I'll do (in time anyway). That new one from HP (Slatebook X2 I think it's called) looks quite nice. Tegra4/Cortex-A15 with 2GB of RAM, HD display, and keyboard dock included for $479USD. Yummy!
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You are correct about being able to pack more things into RAM to make things faster and smoother, but I can hardly watch a full HD movie from the internal storage without the tablet beginning to become crippled.
I am eager to start seeing tablets with the tag "Intel Inside" lol. And maybe instead of a sdcard thingy, how about a full sata III SSD , wouldnt that be sweet? lol a i/o speed to keep up with RAM . The new convertible tablets that can run Android or Windows 8 seem really sweet that have SSDs and internal SD cards but right now they are way to much for me.
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You are correct about being able to pack more things into RAM to make things faster and smoother, but I can hardly watch a full HD movie from the internal storage without the tablet beginning to become crippled.
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Can you elaborate? How does it get crippled?
I am eager to start seeing tablets with the tag "Intel Inside" lol.
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If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it. There's actually some obscure model Transformer powered by an Intel chip and it looks absolutely ridiculous -- the body is rather thick and it needs big ol' cooling vents on the back.
And maybe instead of a sdcard thingy, how about a full sata III SSD , wouldnt that be sweet? lol a i/o speed to keep up with RAM .
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I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
The new convertible tablets that can run Android or Windows 8 seem really sweet that have SSDs and internal SD cards but right now they are way to much for me.
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Got a link? I'd like to see.
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Can you elaborate? How does it get crippled?
When watching a movie, the i/o speed is not good enough to do other stuff with it. Like when you ae watching a movie, it is kind of a idle thinking, and if you would want to move files to the device from your computer while watching a movie. The movie will lag and the file transfer would be extremely slow.
If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it. There's actually some obscure model Transformer powered by an Intel chip and it looks absolutely ridiculous -- the body is rather thick and it needs big ol' cooling vents on the back.
Yeah Intel makes monster CPUs though. I am sure behind the scenes in Intel's labs they got processors for mobile devices already and are finalizing them. But the speed would be great .
I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
SSDs have gone down a lot, but for the performance increase and paying $50 for a 32GB SSD
Got a link? I'd like to see.
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http://androidcommunity.com/asus-tr...d-android-dual-boot-tablet-hands-on-20120604/
I cannot find the article/tablet about a smaller one but there is one, its kinda big though lol.
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If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it.
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Silvermont looks promising.
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I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
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I'd happily pay 10% more for my device to get 1000% more I/O performance.
Agreed.
Ahh well, frustrating. Possibly the advent of a new flagship transformer may solve this.
How is the pad phone in this regard?
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When watching a movie, the i/o speed is not good enough to do other stuff with it. Like when you ae watching a movie, it is kind of a idle thinking, and if you would want to move files to the device from your computer while watching a movie. The movie will lag and the file transfer would be extremely slow.
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Ah, I see. Android isn't much of a multitasker as far as foreground applications go, so I wasn't sure how you could've been doing something else while watching a movie. I try to do as much as I can from the microSD card, which makes me kind of sad thinking about it
Yeah Intel makes monster CPUs though. I am sure behind the scenes in Intel's labs they got processors for mobile devices already and are finalizing them. But the speed would be great.
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Indeed. Although, the Cortex-A15 chips look pretty good. The hardware virtualization extensions are especially interesting. It's not really practical without a good amount of RAM, but the prospect of running an x86 virtual machine at near native speed on my tablet makes me tingle with excitement!
SSDs have gone down a lot, but for the performance increase and paying $50 for a 32GB SSD
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Didn't realize they had gotten that cheap. Of course, you're also going to be paying for the SATA controller, and for some engineers to work it into the hardware and software design.
http://androidcommunity.com/asus-tr...d-android-dual-boot-tablet-hands-on-20120604/
I cannot find the article/tablet about a smaller one but there is one, its kinda big though lol.
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Thanks, I'll check it out!
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Silvermont looks promising.
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Cool! Another thing I'll have to check out.
I'd happily pay 10% more for my device to get 1000% more I/O performance.
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Heh, If ASUS cheaped out on the internal storage in the first place to maximize profits, what makes you think they're going to only charge you the "off-the-shelf" price for the additional hardware?
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Indeed. Although, the Cortex-A15 chips look pretty good. The hardware virtualization extensions are especially interesting. It's not really practical without a good amount of RAM, but the prospect of running an x86 virtual machine at near native speed on my tablet makes me tingle with excitement!
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I don't think that these virtualization extensions magically make the ARM CPU run x86 code anywhere near native speed.
But these will:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6936/...tecture-revealed-getting-serious-about-mobile
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6975/amd-kabini-apus-detailed
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Didn't realize they had gotten that cheap. Of course, you're also going to be paying for the SATA controller, and for some engineers to work it into the hardware and software design.
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Tegra 3 already has a built-in SATA controller.
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Heh, If ASUS cheaped out on the internal storage in the first place to maximize profits, what makes you think they're going to only charge you the "off-the-shelf" price for the additional hardware?
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If I can buy it "off the shelf" for amount X, that includes taxes, shipping, packaging, warranty, distributor's and ratailer margins - so a manufacturer should be easily able to get it for X/2. But I don't expect ASUS to build the device exactly as I want anyway...
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I don't think that these virtualization extensions magically make the ARM CPU run x86 code anywhere near native speed.
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True, I haven't been able to find much data yet on how the extensions compare to their x86 counterparts, but I would think they should do quite well. Is there any reason why the combination of QEMU and KVM wouldn't be able to pull this off?
But these will:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6936/...tecture-revealed-getting-serious-about-mobile
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6975/amd-kabini-apus-detailed
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Lots of good stuff here, thanks.
Tegra 3 already has a built-in SATA controller.
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Whaaa? I had no idea (obviously).
If I can buy it "off the shelf" for amount X, that includes taxes, shipping, packaging, warranty, distributor's and ratailer margins - so a manufacturer should be easily able to get it for X/2. But I don't expect ASUS to build the device exactly as I want anyway...
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Hmm, I guess you've got me there.
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True, I haven't been able to find much data yet on how the extensions compare to their x86 counterparts, but I would think they should do quite well. Is there any reason why the combination of QEMU and KVM wouldn't be able to pull this off?
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I'm sure that it will work, but given that the Android emulator is quite slow even on a fast PC (emulating ARM on x86), I doubt that the inverse emulation on a less powerful CPU will be fast enough to run Windows (and I can't think of any other reason why one would want x86).
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I'm sure that it will work, but given that the Android emulator is quite slow even on a fast PC (emulating ARM on x86), I doubt that the inverse emulation on a less powerful CPU will be fast enough to run Windows (and I can't think of any other reason why one would want x86).
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Which emulator are you referring to?
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Which emulator are you referring to?
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The one from the SDK.
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The one from the SDK.
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Ah. That one doesn't make use of the KVM for ARM virtualization. So, yes, it will run like a dog with no legs.
For now, I guess I'll have to play the wait-and-see game, but I'm hopeful that the geniuses that have made it possible for me to run two Linux systems and a Windows system on top of another Linux system with excellent performance for all four at the same time can make it happen. Although, I am realistic and know that x86 on ARM may not be quite as good as x86 on x86.
(It doesn't *have* to be Windows on the tablet by the way, running a full Linux stack in a virtual machine rather than dual-booting or chrooting or some other nonsense is appealing to me at least. )