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How many of us are getting reboots

I know theres a poll on issues etc and rebooting is mentioned, but I feel it was too early to poll and people could have voted and had a reboot after...
So question is..... has your phone rebooted? Or just fine?
Also if you could mention how long you had it that would be great....
I just want to know exactly who is having reboots and who hasn't..

Not once on its own.
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None so far.

None so far.

Zero.
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LOTS of reboots
I have had about 20 in two weeks. I am CURRENTLY getting CONTINUOUS reboots.
It had the LG logo and thinking bar, underneath it said "System checking". Now it has rebooted non-stop (6 times so far as I'm typing).
New phone should arrive on my doorstep within the next hour or so... fingers crossed.

once that I know of. No idea why. It just rebooted while on my desk idle.

In the one week I had the phone (preroot), never. Even after rooting it, never.

Haven't had any issues with mine.

Had 3 reboots in 5 days on my old phone. Nothing yet on new one so far. It has been 3 days. I noticed my old phone was alot hotter than this one. Possibly a hardware issue after all.

Guys, try to turn off gps, I did that and I have 0 reboot and 0 shut down today, I had a lot of reboots and phone turning off by itself before that. I'll see what happens when I charge it tonight and I'll let u guys know.
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Theres got to be something thats causing it.
results don't look so good..

Hmmm prerooted I had maybe one and some freezing and lag..
rooted no reboots except running eaglesblood rom and experimental kernel with pauls lag apparentky too much going on there. .

If your phone is rebooting constantly don't even waste your time return it for a new unit. The att galaxy s had the same prob and everyone waited for a fix only to find out it was hardware related....if your in the 14 day window don't even waste your time and end up with a refurb
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I bought my g2x a day after launch. For a few days, I didn't experience any reboots. After that they starting happening but not too often. Eventually (by yesterday), it was happening more often. Somewhere in that time frame I did a factory reset to try to improve battery life.
I called tmobile support yesterday and they made do another factory reset and not install any apps. It has been 16 hours without a reboot but that doesn't prove anything, really. First, it doesn't necessarily happen every day. Second, without any non-default apps installed, it may not be taxing the device enough. Third, even if it is an app's fault, it may not be directly the apps fault. Am I supposed to run no apps if that turns out to be the problem?
They will be calling back at three and I'm going to try to push them for a replacement. I'm also having reception issues and the battery could certainly last longer.

None here, gps is not turned off
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I am on my 5th G2X... with a build date of 4/3/2011 and I have not had a reboot as of yet with GPS turned on. This has also been the best phone out of all those 5, I have a week left and if I experience problems I will be taking it back. As somoene said dont waste your time your better off returning it then waiting for a fix.

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I am on my 5th G2X... with a build date of 4/3/2011 and I have not had a reboot as of yet with GPS turned on. This has also been the best phone out of all those 5, I have a week left and if I experience problems I will be taking it back. As somoene said dont waste your time your better off returning it then waiting for a fix.
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Any advice on what to tell them so they'll take it back? The tmobile phone tech wants me to prove that it isn't an app...

none so far got it on May 3rd..

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Any advice on what to tell them so they'll take it back? The tmobile phone tech wants me to prove that it isn't an app...
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I just took it to the store, told them the problems I was having mentioned the reboots, screen bleed, and data connection issues. Told them I was within the 14days and that Customer Care told me to come to the store and try and get a working phone. I wouldnt talk about the reboots as it may not happen in store if you have screen bleed its easier that way cause you can prove that.
Did you buy it in store, online or over the phone?

Htc Thunderbolt Update Woes

Okay so how many of you were thinking this was the update that would make the Thunderbolt better? Let me know of any issues you have been having since the update yesterday. I am speaking of the official non rooted update for the phone fyi.. So far I have compiled a list below of the issues I have experienced personally on my phone.
1. Randomly rebooting
2. Dropped calls and random reboots during calls
3. Gps issues still prevalent
4. Freezes while opening text messages or closing them
5. Noticeable lag when in app menu
If you guys have any other issues please post them and if there is a way to rollback the update without root please post.

Just updated last night and right away I notice I get no GPS lock at all (unless it takes 15+ min). No reboots yet.
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Yes I have noticed too that gps searches forever..

Yea, mine has rebooted twice since yesterday also. I'll have to try GPS later today. As for the rest of those complaints, I'm not sure. Weren't they supposed to fix the car mode thing? There's still no way to get to car mode unless you use the one search function.

I updated last night and had a few reboots this morning while using the hotspot. I just tested the gps with the GPS Status app and got a lock in my livingroom in 11secs. My gps has always worked good, but it seems to be locking a good bit quicker.
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I'm also getting reboots and during calls also and GPS is no longer locking. Anything i can do about this?

I just used GPS Status and got a lock almost instantly. W/o it I wasn't able to get a lock at all.
Edit: GPS Status did not fix my lock problem. Worked once however I can't get a lock anymore :/
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For anyone who is not rooted and getting random reboots, please call VZW support and voice your problem.
They obviously were not reading this forum when half the people with the leaked RUU were getting reboots.
VZW won't issue a hotfix unless people call up and complain and/or start returning phones.

My problem is with phone being idle the battery drains quicker. Before I would lose between 1-3% every hour, now its more like 6-7%. When I check battery use details Android system uses between 60-70% when prior to update it was in single digits.
Tapatalked from Thunderbolt

bunklung said:
For anyone who is not rooted and getting random reboots, please call VZW support and voice your problem.
They obviously were not reading this forum when half the people with the leaked RUU were getting reboots.
VZW won't issue a hotfix unless people call up and complain and/or start returning phones.
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I talked to tech. support and was told a small percentage of Thunderbolts were experiencing these problems. As w/ every problem I'm being sent another "like-new" phone.
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From what I have read, the issue is not with Thunderbolts, It's with the towers you're communicating with. The towers need their software fixed to work correctly with the new RUU. If you guys can, I'd wait it out and see if it gets better. I understand that a random reboot can be a huge deal (I came from a Storm 1) but if it is not wrecking your day or costing you business/clients/money etc., wait a week and see. It can be easier than trying to go through all of the set-up again to get your "new" phone the way you want.

6 reboots yestsrday. 10% battery drain each. Do the math kids. My tb isn't much more than a land line now because it's always plugged in. Returning it for sure. And they just sent me a new battery because I was only getting 5 hours max out of it.

I have had the update for a few hours now and non stop use on the phone so far no crashes or reboots. Phone is not rooted and not using any custom roms. So far so good
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xeene said:
My problem is with phone being idle the battery drains quicker. Before I would lose between 1-3% every hour, now its more like 6-7%. When I check battery use details Android system uses between 60-70% when prior to update it was in single digits.
Tapatalked from Thunderbolt
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Fixed this problem by pulling battery.
Tapatalked from Thunderbolt

Mine reboots 2-3 times every hour.some freeze issues but not too many. Am thinking it would have been better to wait.. hope they get the tower software fixed also...
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Reboots still after OTA Update

This is for stock unrooted peeps.
Anyone that has had reboot problems on their thunderbolts, still experiencing them after updating?
Wife's tbolt starting rebooting a couple times a day about a week ago. Did the update friday night and has rebooted twice since then. Thinking it might be hardware related if others have had their reboots fixed.
Probably going to call verizon next time it does this to try and get a replacement.

I've had only one that I've noticed so far, but that makes it less than the 3-4 daily I noticed with the most recent leak prior (mr2.5 thingee)

No reboots for me since the update. Of course Verzion only claimed this OTA would reduce the number of reboots not do away with them. I hope for you that they don't try to pull then when you ask for a new unit.

Start over from scratch do an app backup...uninstall all apps restart phone try favorite app first give couple hours or a day. slowly put apps back on right down time and date each app installed .doing this is a p.i.t.a .....some apps dont play nicely with others ...plus you dont want a p.o.s.reman phone....anyways this might take a couple of days.....sometimes verizon wont shoot from the hip and just replace .. reason i say this for a while 1st thing they do is hard reset phone and start over ...more or less have to prove problem make sure everytime u call have them note the account....lets see 10 imagios 6 collasped buttons 4 bluetooth failures .....fun fun...nothings easy with verizon
Look at it this way you could be stuck with a really start over flashing firmware with a windows phone cause hard reset sucks [email protected]#$
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scottthreet32 said:
Start over from scratch do an app backup...uninstall all apps restart phone try favorite app first give couple hours or a day. slowly put apps back on right down time and date each app installed .doing this is a p.i.t.a .....some apps dont play nicely with others ...plus you dont want a p.o.s.reman phone....anyways this might take a couple of days.....sometimes verizon wont shoot from the hip and just replace .. reason i say this for a while 1st thing they do is hard reset phone and start over ...more or less have to prove problem make sure everytime u call have them note the account....lets see 10 imagios 6 collasped buttons 4 bluetooth failures .....fun fun...nothings easy with verizon
Look at it this way you could be stuck with a really start over flashing firmware with a windows phone cause hard reset sucks [email protected]#$
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she has no different apps than me and I don't have reboots. We'll give it a couple of days, start calling in and creating the history. New customer, I'm sure they would hate to lose us already...

jump ship and pay up the @#% to leave your stuck unless under 15 days then your stuck again because where you came from sucked plus to boot anywhere else is gonna what a deposit ....just because your phones not rebooting with same apps ...the phone is man made #$& happens the other phone might have hardware problems ok prove it...do what i said and track
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Had a few here, better but still angers me.
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same story -- i'm still getting them occasionally but not as often. I was all excited about the update, but a few hours after it installed I was browsing the web and - bam - reboot. It's like a slap in the face. I've also been having a serious problem with my TB just discharging itself overnight... while plugged into the wall charger. I wake up and it has a completely dead battery which is a major PITA, doubly so because I use it as my alarm clock.

My TB has been up since the update on Friday. It used to reboot multiple times a day. Hope this lasts for me.
I'm stock and unrooted.
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This is for stock unrooted peeps.
Anyone that has had reboot problems on their thunderbolts, still experiencing them after updating?
Wife's tbolt starting rebooting a couple times a day about a week ago. Did the update friday night and has rebooted twice since then. Thinking it might be hardware related if others have had their reboots fixed.
Probably going to call verizon next time it does this to try and get a replacement.
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I have never had a reboot and I have been rooted since a week after owning the TBolt... I guess just lucky

Haven't had a reboot since memorial day weekend.

Never had a reboot before or after the update....I just bought my Tbolt two weeks ago, maybe they corrected the rebooting issues with the current hardware?? I mean if users are still rebooting after the update maybe its not software...

I've been really really lucky here I guess. I bought my Thunderbolt about a week after it came out and have had maybe 3-4 reboots since then. I have gone through a few roms/kernals/radios but never any issues. It must just be a hit/miss thing with hardware to be honest. Either that or the network, I'm in West Lafayette maybe our network is just far superior
The only gripe I have had is shutdowns, which IMO are more annoying because I can't just turn it back on, I have to pull the battery and wait a couple minutes before putting it back in and then waiting another minute before it responds to the power button to turn it back on again.
All in all I am happy with it compared to all others complaints on reboots. I would rather have a small number of reboots/shutdowns than a refurbished phone with possibly more issues.

I've been rebooting still like CRAZY. Before and after the update. I got on Verizon and received my phone on Thursday. It was rebooting over and over and over... I noticed it happened if I left wifi coverage at work or home. Even after the update, same thing! Rebooting over and over like no tomorrow.
I noticed that with LTE on it would loose connectivity all together until I manually rebooted. If I was on Edge or 3G it would stay up longer. I have since then turned off LTE and it has been fine, but still reboots every few hours.

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I have never had a reboot and I have been rooted since a week after owning the TBolt... I guess just lucky
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I have had 1 reboot after having mine for over a month or so now. Been rooted since day 1 and have changed radios multiple times along with ROMs/Kernels. I guess we are both lucky?

Never once had a reboot. Custom rom since day one though. Stock sucks.
On a helpful side though. Always best to do a hard reset after a update. I know its a pain but it is the best solution normally.
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If your having problems...try this!!!

I have owned the sensation for 3 weeks and have had random problems that most have reported. Screen responsiveness, occassional connection problems, lag, unable to spin the carousel, and other little issues. I exchanged my first Sensation and now having the same issues with this one.
I was doing some thinking and after reading a zillion forums decided to try something. I downloaded the stock rom (ruu file) and reinstalled the rom file. I did not enter my google info during set-up. I went into privacy settings and unchecked back-up and restore options. I then entered my google account only.
So far my phone is running MUCH BETTER and VERY responsive. I can carousel EASILY!!!! It's like a new phone. WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!!!
I have not added any apps OR any other type of social networking stuff. And I also shut-off that Tmobile contact sync.
Might be worth a shot for some of you.....
I will update this thread and let all of you know how its working.....

I told people about this when I first git the phone but everyone was like....."how would that effect anything". It does because I've done this on 4 different Sensations and all of them ran slower after it loaded all of my settings automatically. On each of them, I disabled the restore settings feature and imputed my Google info after disabling this and every phone was more responsive. I don't understand why but I'm glad someone else noticed it.
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I think that most of the problems that people are reporting with the Sensation are software problems. It seems as the phones get faster they also get much more complicated and in my opinion, the manufactures are pushing out phones before the software has been fully tested and evaluated IN THE REAL WORLD!!!
They seem to lose sight that quality is MORE important then a deadline. If you can't do it right...don't do it!!!!
But instead they hype us up with slick marketing and make us go crazy buying their phones that are not ready to be released. Then we exchange/return until the buyers remorse period has passed and then we are stuck with a device that does not live up to the nearly $600 that we paid. Yes WE ALL PAY FOR IT.....if you think that you paid $148 for your Sensation,,,, please look at your MONTHLY bill.
It's not just HTC or Tmobile. It's Apple, MS, LG, ATT, Verizon, etc.....
Im very confident that the Sensation will eventually work as designed and marketed....I just hate that I'm a sucker!!!! I'm an early adopter and this is the price I pay because I have no patience!!!
Now that I ranted...try the rom reinstall so far my phone works flawlessly. As I have said before...its like I have a new phone....the Sensation 2....

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I have owned the sensation for 3 weeks and have had random problems that most have reported. Screen responsiveness, occassional connection problems, lag, unable to spin the carousel, and other little issues. I exchanged my first Sensation and now having the same issues with this one.
I was doing some thinking and after reading a zillion forums decided to try something. I downloaded the stock rom (ruu file) and reinstalled the rom file. I did not enter my google info during set-up. I went into privacy settings and unchecked back-up and restore options. I then entered my google account only.
So far my phone is running MUCH BETTER and VERY responsive. I can carousel EASILY!!!! It's like a new phone. WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!!!
I have not added any apps OR any other type of social networking stuff. And I also shut-off that Tmobile contact sync.
Might be worth a shot for some of you.....
I will update this thread and let all of you know how its working.....
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Interesting.
I didn't think about turning those off.
Tried it...seems to improve things a bit.
Good thing you didn't title your thread..."I Think I *May* Have Discovered Something".

I've re-installed with the ruu multiple times and it didnt fix anything, no improvement. I've had 4 sensations, first 3 had the touchscreen issue, the 4th i'm only 2 days in and it hasn't messed up yet, its about time though. There are a hundred different things people have done to temporarily fix their problems, most aren't reproducible. Thats what is so strange about this phone. I've had the touchscreen become responsive like new a few times, just like others, and we are always trying to figure out what we did to make it work. I think its a coincidence when it starts working, thats why there are sooo many different posted solutions.. (only talking about touchscreen issues here)

hmmmm.....How did you re-install? via PC or from SD card?

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I have not added any apps OR any other type of social networking stuff. And I also shut-off that Tmobile contact sync.
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Hmmm.... Why get a smartphone then?
Hope it works for you mate, but I can bet that touch screen issue will be back.

Im trying to see if any of the problems would return while the phone was completely stock. I kept it app free for 24 hours and it has worked great...no problems.
I just added a bunch of apps late last night and so far it has continued to run great. I will keep testing and adding more until I get back to the way I normally use my phone.
So far...i can spin the carousel very easily, screen is still responsive, no connection issues as of yet, and my battery has lasted over 24 hours and it still has over 50% of its charge!!
No social networking yet...I usually have Facebook, Twitter, and recently google+. I'm saving those for last since I suspect those might be some of the problem.
I did add all of my email accounts and my exchange account. So far it's still great!

When you say reinstall do you mean do a factory reset?

I downloaded the stock Rom and flashed via my pc. Took about 5 or 10th minutes. So far it has worked for me. It's been 48 hours and I have not had a return of any of the problems I had before.

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I downloaded the stock Rom and flashed via my pc. Took about 5 or 10th minutes. So far it has worked for me. It's been 48 hours and I have not had a return of any of the problems I had before.
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Yes, i used this RUU_Pyramid_TMOUS_1.29.531.2_Radio_10.42.9007.00P_10.11.9007.15_M_release_193714_signed from my computer. I've also done factory reset from recovery as well as from Settings, SD & Phone storage--Factor data reset. All appear to look like the exact same state as when new, just unboxed. I would think that if it was a software issue that one of those methods would fix it everytime, since it worked wonderfully when new in that same configuration.
But when you look at it another way ..If it was Hardware, why wouldnt it do it as soon as you turn it on, brand new? Why does it take a few days? So far this 4th phone has ran longer than the others, no problems yet. It's loaded with tons of software and no bloat removal and its still the fastest phone ive ever used. Damn i hope it stays that way...

This is my last attempt to fix these issues. All three phones, my two and my wifes sensation, all have the death grip issue. And that alone is a very big design flaw. I can kill WiFi with just place my finger along the back top edge of the phone. It really becomes a problem watching videos. As soon as hold the phone on the WiFi antenna side, WiFi drops.
Thinking of returning and getting the mytouch 4g slide. Basically same specs just smaller screen.

HTC Customer said:
I downloaded the stock Rom and flashed via my pc. Took about 5 or 10th minutes. So far it has worked for me. It's been 48 hours and I have not had a return of any of the problems I had before.
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You mind linkin' me the site for the download? Sorry if it's been listed already.
Thanks

[Q] Users on the GB update, any random reboots?

Users that updated their G2X to V21E, you getting any random reboots or freezing? Please report in this post. Thanks!

Nope not yet and seem overall faster, but only time will tell.

Is Wifi fixed?

Yea, the true test will be a couple of days of uptime...
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Been only a few hours guys. Take a day or 2 to test this out. Battery, WIFI, GPS, Reboots...etc

None so far... but the true test is when it's on my charger at night. So we will see...

None so far. Definitely noticeable increase in speed. No wifi or GPS issues yet either. Only bug so far is the 4g and signal status not switching to green indicating network connection to Google. Does on my N1.
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my phone sometimes freezes or becomes unresponsive to my fingers...

I will be flashing back to 2.2. I never had a single reboot in the 4 months I've had the phone and now in 3 hours since I have updated, the phone has rebooted 4 times and froze twice. Also, my GPS would lock in 10 seconds with 20 feet of accuracy and now its taking a couple minutes to lock with 100 feet of accuracy. I really hope this isn't the finished product.
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My phone froze once so far since I updated my g2x was once off the lucky ones with almost no issues I hope it dont continue
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no reboots, notice the same white 4g deal, not turning green though. Has anyone got superoneclick to work with this yet?

Call me crazy but I don't notice anymore screen bleed after all mine was very minimal
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Call me crazy but I don't notice anymore screen bleed after all mine was very minimal
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Your crazy. ;-)
Is your phone set to Max brightness or is it on auto? If its on auto, I bet LG reprogrammed the code to dim the backlight more than it was before so people don't notice it as much. Mine has always been minimal but its still the same at max brightness. A software update ain't going to fix a hardware issue.
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I will be flashing back to 2.2. I never had a single reboot in the 4 months I've had the phone and now in 3 hours since I have updated, the phone has rebooted 4 times and froze twice. Also, my GPS would lock in 10 seconds with 20 feet of accuracy and now its taking a couple minutes to lock with 100 feet of accuracy. I really hope this isn't the finished product.
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you stink of troll filth...
I have not had a single problem and ive been on the update since literally the first post was made about the update... the only thing i keep getting is a gtalk authentication error but i figure most of apps in the update are not quite up to date nor do i really use gtalk lol

JHaste said:
you stink of troll filth...
I have not had a single problem and ive been on the update since literally the first post was made about the update... the only thing i keep getting is a gtalk authentication error but i figure most of apps in the update are not quite up to date nor do i really use gtalk lol
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That jrwingate6 guy is some sort of shill poster,
claims to love the phone,
the next day he hates it,
next day he says he is leaving the forum because he is selling it,
next day he is complaining that he is keeping it because he can not sell it, next day he is whining that he never has had a problem with the phone,
next day he is complaining that GB is never coming,
next day he is saying the G2x is being recalled and will never be sold on T-mobile again,
next day he is saying he just updated to GB but it sucks so he is going to need to remove it
And he continues. if he is not some sort of paid corporate troll....its a pity because he is working it hard.
jrwingate6, I called you on this before....its fine....if I see your reply you can assume, I passed it off as gar-bauge and moved on.

tombaker1 said:
That jrwingate6 guy is some sort of shill poster,
claims to love the phone,
the next day he hates it,
next day he says he is leaving the forum because he is selling it,
next day he is complaining that he is keeping it because he can not sell it, next day he is whining that he never has had a problem with the phone,
next day he is complaining that GB is never coming,
next day he is saying the G2x is being recalled and will never be sold on T-mobile again,
next day he is saying he just updated to GB but it sucks so he is going to need to remove it
And he continues. if he is not some sort of paid corporate troll....its a pity because he is working it hard.
jrwingate6, I called you on this before....its fine....if I see your reply you can assume, I passed it off as gar-bauge and moved on.
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ok so at least my sense of smell is still working

not to mention his sig says he's on the Sensation lol

Um, you guys know this is a test rom, right?

Yeah, not a single problem with the update. No reboots (never had them to begin with). This may not be the final GB but so fast I'm completely satisfied.
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tombaker1 said:
That jrwingate6 guy is some sort of shill poster,
And he continues. if he is not some sort of paid corporate troll....its a pity because he is working it hard.
jrwingate6, I called you on this before....its fine....if I see your reply you can assume, I passed it off as gar-bauge and moved on.
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OK, JR and I disagree more than we agree, and I'm sure he can defend himself but:
- claims to love the phone
He talks positively about aspects of it.
-the next day he hates it
He talks negatively about aspects of it.
-next day he says he is leaving the forum because he is selling it
He kept it because he got it free from T-Mobile and it does some things better than the Sensation.
-next day he is complaining that he is keeping it because he can not sell it, next day he is whining that he never has had a problem with the phone
I don't know where you pulled this from but it doesn't sound like JR
-next day he is complaining that GB is never coming
So?
-next day he is saying the G2x is being recalled and will never be sold on T-mobile again
Lots of rumors about this. JR tends to quote from a source though.
-next day he is saying he just updated to GB but it sucks so he is going to need to remove it
Too early to tell if others are going to experience the same thing.
Tom, you're the one that still believes the phone's not for sale on tmobile.com because it's so popular. You're no stranger to sharing and defending unique opinions so it's odd you chose to single out JR. You've gone after me too. I come here to hear different opinions. I can figure out which one's to believe without a self-appointed moderator telling me.