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Don't know if anyone's heard but apparently Microsoft is taking full advantage of webOS's fall. They are offer development free tools, phones and etc. Wow they waste no time.
Here's a link to the article.
http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_o...nd_training_to_webos_developers-news-3026.php
DroidFreek said:
Don't know if anyone's heard but apparently Microsoft is taking full advantage of webOS's fall. They are offer development free tools, phones and etc. Wow they waste no time.
Here's a link to the article.
http://www.gsmarena.com/microsoft_o...nd_training_to_webos_developers-news-3026.php
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Tell me about it. I do respect them on what their doing. Great devs lose their jobs, so they're up for grabs.
Microsofts making all the right moves.
Exactly, playing it smart.
Agree, smart move, but Android won't lose market share easily..
Only a plus to Microsoft.
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Agree, smart move, but Android won't lose market share easily..
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Oh not at all. Microsoft has a long way to go to catch up with the Android and Apple.
Honestly I feel the only reason Microsoft is down in the smartphone game is because
1- They don't advertise as much
2- They don't have a radically new WP7 that draws users to the phone
3- If they bundled their phones with computer sales, it would allow customers to easily jump into the os.
If they saw those three points and worked on them, it would send them up there with the big boys.
Problem is every court hates ms for integrating software into windows; you think giving away a basic phone with every dell will ease those tensions? Unfortunately, ms can't get away with the crap apple does with every pc, ipod, iphone and ipad.
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Problem is every court hates ms for integrating software into windows; you think giving away a basic phone with every dell will ease those tensions? Unfortunately, ms can't get away with the crap apple does with every pc, ipod, iphone and ipad.
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That's understandable. Still, it then goes back to advertising. It seems as if MS wants people to magically know about their devices.
I've only seen a commercial for the Surround about 5 times and that was it.
I'd be so pissed if I was a webOS developer. Excited to see more/better apps for Windows Phone.
but with this microsoft did a step forward, it could help to get some DEVs but i dont think that it will get better then GOOGLE OS
I had a palm treo as my first smart phone and it ran windows. it was terrible.. I'm sure they have gotten better, but that phone gave me a sour opinion on windows phones.. not so good then probably not so good now.. but it does make me curious to playing with a windows phone next time im at a best buy or other retail store with one on display..
Windows phones, just like android, are at their full potential when custom roms are created. I think if they were more devs into the os it could compete.
Why get off one sinking ship to get on another sinking ship?
"Why get off one sinking ship to get on another sinking ship?" vetvito
you think Mango will sink?
No money to be made there, just like WebOS. You get customers first, the devs will follow.
Microsoft should come back. Competition keeps the others sharp.
I kind of pity all of those developers who spent months developing for WebOS only to have it be trashed.
1.2 billion down the drain....
...wow just read up on all the money hp used to buy and develop webOS that number was just for the purchase of Palm inc.
OK we all know Android and iPhone are at the top right now but this poll isn't about them at all. this thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not WP8 or BB10 will outsell any other type of OS
Strictly speaking of Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 8 and RIM'S upcoming BlackBerry 10, which of these do you think are going to dominate in sales between these two in 2013? Both companies are promising a completely new and different OS than their previous smartphones. Which will prove the winner?
BB still has a lot of people pulling for it. I have to say the mock-up teaser video that they released and some of the proprietary apps look promising.
Windows has been lackluster so far, but I'm sure they will have some kind of promotion going on with Win 8 and their phones to try and get them into more consumer's hands.
If BB can release a strong set of apps initially on good hardware with a modern-looking intuitive interface then I think they will win in terms of sales over the next year, especially if their security and encryption is up to snuff. Even know a lot of corporate honchos are still BlackBerried up.
I think WP8 will beat out BB10. RIM has their entire existence riding on 10.
RIM still has a vastly superior advantage over Microsoft, at least as far as businesses go. I think RIM could cater only to businesses and still remain profitable.
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RIM still has a vastly superior advantage over Microsoft, at least as far as businesses go. I think RIM could cater only to businesses and still remain profitable.
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I think RIM is gasping some air before they will expire, I used to have over 100 BB messenger buddies, by the time I left them I was left with 5, its a slow and painful death but sooner or later it will happen
I think I can honestly say...
Neither.
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Well Nokia does have pretty good adverts for wp7 (like deadmau5 presentation in London). Maybe they can do the same with wp8.
Wp8 has a better chance.
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Both will probably fail.
I've used a Lumia and it's a wonderful device. Unfortunately, the app store was atrocious. Seriously, no Dropbox? When all your friends and family are enjoying newly released apps, you will feel left out. If you're lucky, you'll get that app a few months down the line. But by then, all your friends and family will move on to other apps.
BB10 could also be wonderful, but without serious developer support, it's going nowhere.
Developers won't make apps because there's no one to buy them. But no one buys the phone because there's no good apps. It's a vicious cycle.
RIM is just going to have to find the capital somewhere to make it happen. The good thing for Windows is that they can subsidise the handsets and keep the prices low just to get them into people's hands. They were even giving them away for trade of any smartphone; the fact that they didn't get a really high number of takers on that offers speaks to where WP is right now, though.
Anyway, RIM needs to be all in on this and do it right from the start to have any chance.
Before we delve too deeply off topic into speculating whether or not both will fail, keep in mind the topic deals with which of these 2 platforms would pull ahead of the other. Personally my money is on MS simply because they have more monetary muscle to throw around and their massively dominant presence as a computer OS worldwide both in homes and businesses is larger than RIM'S blackberry phone user base. All RIM really has are phones while MS can use their software business to push their windows phone. It's a make it or break it for RIM while MS can still chug along as a giant PC windows company regardless.
A good indicator so far is how big name developers are already getting on board for WP8 before it has even come out while RIM is still struggling to get them to sign up on BB10. It should prove to be an interesting battle
I think WP 8 will be more mature than BB OS 10 but im waiting for the OS wars to fire up a lot more competition lately
Huh, I thought I'd be with the majority when I chose Blackberry 10. Maybe it's just my outdated notion that every business person is carrying around a blackberry still, I should know that Android and iOS dominate the market now. I think.
Windows Phone 8
I think it's hands-down Windows Phone 8. MS already has a good base to build from in WP7 -- I've used it before and I think it's actually very good. BB only has the enterprise security thing going for them, which everybody else is catching up on pretty quickly.
Depends how strong the bundling effects of Windows 8 (and xbox) are, which is also up in the air. If microsoft do manage to integrate multiple devices seemlessly, their existing market share lock-in would surely push WP8 beyond blackberry.
As for who emerges victorious, hopefully Firefox OS.
Windows Phone 8 is coming. Vey fast and stable system
Wp8 has a better chance
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Wp8 has a better chance
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if I really have to pick one - I will WP8. BB10 is outdated and/or late too. WP8 still will need atleast another year or so to become mature. both of them are not candidates to beat the current leaders for sure like someone said.
WP8 definitely.
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in my opinion wp8 better than bb10.
No doubt this year and the one coming have been and will be a giant evolution in smart phones and their operating systems that are embedded in them, but the question is: Jellybean 4.2 or Windows Phone 8 Metro? Why do you like it or not like it as well. Thanks its just a bit of a survey.
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I would suggest Windows phone 8. As everyone knows Android attracts virus and malware. It is too laggy and stuff.
Windows phone OS is something new and awesome in design. It is not as laggy as Android. Not many security issues.
If you need to buy a Windows phone 8, Nokia Lumia 920 is my choice. No Android!
http://winappleworld.com/top-windows-phone-8-features-you-should-know/ - Have a look
Windows Phone 8.
I too am eyeing it. But cant decide 8S or 820.
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Android - without question. I have zero interest in using anything that comes from Microsoft. Pretty much their whole product portfolio is driven by: Oh ****, someone made something that's successful and we are missing the bandwagon? Quick, let's throw a massive amount of money at building a knock-off that looks like the original thing but clearly shows that we haven't understood what put the magic into it.
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Android - without question. I have zero interest in using anything that comes from Microsoft. Pretty much their whole product portfolio is driven by: Oh ****, someone made something that's successful and we are missing the bandwagon? Quick, let's throw a massive amount of money at building a knock-off that looks like the original thing but clearly shows that we haven't understood what put the magic into it.
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Totally wrong. In what way does a WP8 look like Android? In fact, Android looks like Apple's ugly twin.
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Windows 8 something new.
I haven't tried Windows 8 phone nor have I tried a Windows 7 phone. Android seems good to me this far though, only reason I would go for a Windows 8 phone is just to try something new, that's about it...I know pretty dumb reason . I just like trying different things, though I would obviously do some research on it first; though Windows 8 is suppose to be stable, but not sure how big there App store is, I heard its pretty small at the moment.
It seems to me for Windows 8 big future, after all it is a universal platform for PC
It seems to me for Windows 8 big future, after all it is a universal platform for PC and phones
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As everyone knows Android attracts virus and malware. It is too laggy and stuff.
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For the most part that is categorically untrue, viruses are practically non-existent due to the fact that Android is Linux based. It has non-infectious malware yes but only if you have no common sense and can't use a ratings system in a very basic way. That is a slight drawback of an almost completely open app market where a corporation cannot generally control things by banning stuff whenever it likes.
As for laggy, again simply not true. There just happens to be more of a range of devices from low end to very fast high end.
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For the most part that is categorically untrue, viruses are practically non-existent due to the fact that Android is Linux based. It has non-infectious malware yes but only if you have no common sense and can't use a ratings system in a very basic way. That is a slight drawback of an almost completely open app market where a corporation cannot generally control things by banning stuff whenever it likes.
As for laggy, again simply not true. There just happens to be more of a range of devices from low end to very fast high end.
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I agree. Also I'd say that for many Android phones (not all) you can find developers willing to personalize and modify your stock Rom.
This is not possible in a closed OS: you have to accept it like it is.
I have a Huawei Shine with the Mod Rom of the user bgcngm and I don't find it laggy.
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Totally wrong. In what way does a WP8 look like Android? In fact, Android looks like Apple's ugly twin.
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I wrote that Microsoft's innovation more or less entirely consists of copying competitors (poorly), not that W8 is a an Android knock-off.
Time for a bigger picture: about 5 years ago, Apple came up with the IPhone. Up until then, most mobile phones had a number keyboard, a tiny screen and allowed you to customize them with wallpapers and ringtones (at a ridiculous cost). Apple changed that. Suddenly, you had a large touchscreen, the ability to run apps and with that also the ability to use your phone for more than making the carriers money.
Microsofts reaction to that (google "blamer laughs at iphone"): $500 for a phone? Lol! The iphone became a success. Microsofts reaction to that: shock and awe. W7 had to be released in a hurry. If you were stupid enough to buy a W7 phone... well... sucks. You have no upgrade plan.
Speaking of W7. Its UI is based on the Zune. Zune what was that again? Oh right, Microsofts shock and awe reaction to Apple's Ipod. Hello WMA, hello DRM, I always wanted a file format that allows me to do less.
Let's go back a few more years. Back then, around 1993, Bill Gates was asked about the internet and in his opinion, it was merely a hype, windows fileshares were the future. Two years later, win95 shipped without a browser and without installing TCP/IP. Netscape became the darling of the new economy and Microsoft became pretty jealous. The browserwars started and for years to come, we had to deal with the IE (aka Infection Engine).
Let's go back a few more years even. Microsoft in it's first years. Bill Gates vision of an Operation System literally looked like this:
C:\>
Apple came along and their vision actually looked like something (namely: a desktop). Microsofts reaction to that... well ... the win 3.x product line, aka the "colorful clownsuit for DOS". Something that never knew if it wanted to be an operating system or a GUI on top of an operating system. Hence it was both and neither at the same time, ridiculous to use and crashed whenever it had the chance to.
So, what else do we have? Oh yes, Surface, the "tablet" that does not really know if it wants to be a tablet or an ultrabook and hence tries to be both for the sole reason of microsoft again being in shock and awe and afraid of a competitor establishing an industry standard for Office on the tablet market, that is not MS office.
To summarize my point: None of Microsoft's major products is an innovation of their own. It's all "me too", usually inferior and generally only successful because MS has the leverage to swamp out their competition.
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Dnpech said:
It seems to me for Windows 8 big future, after all it is a universal platform for PC and phones
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So ... you are interested in the universal tow coupling for caravans, truck trailers and railway carriage? Win8 is a complete and utter failure as it makes you constantly switch between a UI optimized for touchscreens and a UI that is optimized for mouse/keyboard. Yes, it's universal, but that doesn't make it usable.
onyxbits said:
I never wrote that Microsoft's innovation more or less entirely consists of copying competitors (poorly), not that W8 is a an Android knock-off.
Time for a bigger picture: about 5 years ago, Apple came up with the IPhone. Up until then, most mobile phones had a number keyboard, a tiny screen and allowed you to customize them with wallpapers and ringtones (at a ridiculous cost). Apple changed that. Suddenly, you had a large touchscreen, the ability to run apps and with that also the ability to use your phone for more than making the carriers money.
Microsofts reaction to that (google "blamer laughs at iphone"): $500 for a phone? Lol! The iphone became a success. Microsofts reaction to that: shock and awe. W7 had to be released in a hurry. If you were stupid enough to buy a W7 phone... well... sucks. You have no upgrade plan.
Speaking of W7. Its UI is based on the Zune. Zune what was that again? Oh right, Microsofts shock and awe reaction to Apple's Ipod. Hello WMA, hello DRM, I always wanted a file format that allows me to do less.
Let's go back a few more years. Back then, around 1993, Bill Gates was asked about the internet and in his opinion, it was merely a hype, windows fileshares were the future. Two years later, win95 shipped without a browser and without installing TCP/IP. Netscape became the darling of the new economy and Microsoft became pretty jealous. The browserwars started and for years to come, we had to deal with the IE (aka Infection Engine).
Let's go back a few more years even. Microsoft in it's first years. Bill Gates vision of an Operation System literally looked like this:
C:\>
Apple came along and their vision actually looked like something (namely: a desktop). Microsofts reaction to that... well ... the win 3.x product, aka the "colorful clownsuit for DOS". Something that never knew if it wanted to be an operating system or a GUI on top of an operating system. Hence it was both and neither at the same time, ridiculous to use and crashed whenever it had the chance to.
So, what else do we have? Oh yes, Surface, the "tablet" that does not really know if it wants to be a tablet or an ultrabook and hence tries to be both for the sole reason of microsoft again being in shock and awe and afraid of a competitor establishing an industry standard for Office on the tablet market, that is not MS office.
To summarize my point: None of Microsoft's major products is an innovation of their own. It's all "me too", usually inferior and generally only successful because MS has the leverage to swamp out their competition.
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So ... you are interested in the universal tow coupling for caravans, truck trailers and railway carriage? Win8 is a complete and utter failure as it makes you constantly switch between a UI optimized for touchscreens and a UI that is optimized for mouse/keyboard. Yes, it's universal, but that doesn't make it usable.
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Whoa! Never thought of that. I have to agree. If u don't mind, can u tell me what u think of Android? I would love to hear.
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Windows phone is a very nice os, which doesn't get a boring as ios quite so quickly. The whole fluidity of the os is a joy to use, but it lacks most of my favourite apps. Even Android lacks a few of the greatest ios apps but not many. Been running a note 2 for a few weeks now. Absolutely no lag anywhere on Android. So much customisation, apps have improved so much now almost on par with ios. The other thing with windows phone, im not sure I like the big word styling everywhere. If you like the styling, don't care much about apps and not into customisation and freedom to adjust everything on your device. Go for windows phone. With Android you have a better choice of apps. Can change the styling to suit. Can be as fluid and lag free especially with jelly bean and the latest devices.
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Android
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Hold on a minute. This is all wrong. WM devices have been around way before iPhones existed. In fact, this website blew up because of people wanting to mod their WM phones. I was on XDA modding my WM5 and WM6 phones as early as 2005, if I recall correctly. The last one I had, HTC Titan II, had a decent touchscreen and lots of functionality, ran apps, networking capability, etc. Back then, you had Symbian, Blackberry, or Windows Mobile. The year after was right around the time when touchscreen keyboards were starting to become popular for smartphones - maybe end of 2006. I still had my friends laughing at me for having a giant phone. The iPhone came out the following year, and soon enough everyone had a giant phone. Although Apple destroyed the market with style and functionality, the iPhone was *not* the first smartphone. Not even close. They just, as usual, set a precedent for an extremely well-designed device. There were loads of well-functioning and popular touchscreen smartphones prior to the iPhone, with WiFi, GPS, and a touchscreen.
Fast forward 7 years and I still have an HTC phone, but with Android. HTC have been making great devices since before the iPhone. I'm sure Windows Mobile would not be an upgrade for me at this point. However, for my productivity in 2006, it was outstanding and absolutely critical. It was not pretty, it was functional - and it definitely paved some of the way for IOS and Android. I wish people would stop giving Apple more credit than they deserve. I'm not disputing your Microsoft facts - MS is truly ridiculous and fail miserably at designing products for consumers. But there were plenty of good smartphones before the iPhone, which is why this site exists in the first place.
Android, to be sure.
onyxbits said:
I never wrote that Microsoft's innovation more or less entirely consists of copying competitors (poorly), not that W8 is a an Android knock-off.
Time for a bigger picture: about 5 years ago, Apple came up with the IPhone. Up until then, most mobile phones had a number keyboard, a tiny screen and allowed you to customize them with wallpapers and ringtones (at a ridiculous cost). Apple changed that. Suddenly, you had a large touchscreen, the ability to run apps and with that also the ability to use your phone for more than making the carriers money.
Microsofts reaction to that (google "blamer laughs at iphone"): $500 for a phone? Lol! The iphone became a success. Microsofts reaction to that: shock and awe. W7 had to be released in a hurry. If you were stupid enough to buy a W7 phone... well... sucks. You have no upgrade plan.
Speaking of W7. Its UI is based on the Zune. Zune what was that again? Oh right, Microsofts shock and awe reaction to Apple's Ipod. Hello WMA, hello DRM, I always wanted a file format that allows me to do less.
Let's go back a few more years. Back then, around 1993, Bill Gates was asked about the internet and in his opinion, it was merely a hype, windows fileshares were the future. Two years later, win95 shipped without a browser and without installing TCP/IP. Netscape became the darling of the new economy and Microsoft became pretty jealous. The browserwars started and for years to come, we had to deal with the IE (aka Infection Engine).
Let's go back a few more years even. Microsoft in it's first years. Bill Gates vision of an Operation System literally looked like this:
C:\>
Apple came along and their vision actually looked like something (namely: a desktop). Microsofts reaction to that... well ... the win 3.x product, aka the "colorful clownsuit for DOS". Something that never knew if it wanted to be an operating system or a GUI on top of an operating system. Hence it was both and neither at the same time, ridiculous to use and crashed whenever it had the chance to.
So, what else do we have? Oh yes, Surface, the "tablet" that does not really know if it wants to be a tablet or an ultrabook and hence tries to be both for the sole reason of microsoft again being in shock and awe and afraid of a competitor establishing an industry standard for Office on the tablet market, that is not MS office.
To summarize my point: None of Microsoft's major products is an innovation of their own. It's all "me too", usually inferior and generally only successful because MS has the leverage to swamp out their competition.
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So ... you are interested in the universal tow coupling for caravans, truck trailers and railway carriage? Win8 is a complete and utter failure as it makes you constantly switch between a UI optimized for touchscreens and a UI that is optimized for mouse/keyboard. Yes, it's universal, but that doesn't make it usable.
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WP or Android
Windows Phone 7 sucks just because of 2 elementary features: Bluetooth File Transfer and Mass Storage, I think it's a marketing gimmick, everybody is just interested what new will next OS version bring, then BOOM Windows Phone 8, resizable tiles, bluetooth transfer, mass storage, WOW do you heard that new lumia has BLUETOOTH TRANSFER? NO WAY, I MUST BUY IT, that's just what I was missing in my old lumia.
One thing I like in WP is simplicity and quality. WP is always the same, Android is modified by phone manufacturers and I can find bugs even in official firmware - it does not occur in Windows Phone.
But in the end, I choose Android - I like the fact that there is so much to rummage :laugh:
Both are boring maybe salfish or bb10..., oh ! wait firefox os is in the cards too
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onyxbits said:
I never wrote that Microsoft's innovation more or less entirely consists of copying competitors (poorly), not that W8 is a an Android knock-off.
Time for a bigger picture: about 5 years ago, Apple came up with the IPhone. Up until then, most mobile phones had a number keyboard, a tiny screen and allowed you to customize them with wallpapers and ringtones (at a ridiculous cost). Apple changed that. Suddenly, you had a large touchscreen, the ability to run apps and with that also the ability to use your phone for more than making the carriers money.
Microsofts reaction to that (google "blamer laughs at iphone"): $500 for a phone? Lol! The iphone became a success. Microsofts reaction to that: shock and awe. W7 had to be released in a hurry. If you were stupid enough to buy a W7 phone... well... sucks. You have no upgrade plan.
Speaking of W7. Its UI is based on the Zune. Zune what was that again? Oh right, Microsofts shock and awe reaction to Apple's Ipod. Hello WMA, hello DRM, I always wanted a file format that allows me to do less.
Let's go back a few more years. Back then, around 1993, Bill Gates was asked about the internet and in his opinion, it was merely a hype, windows fileshares were the future. Two years later, win95 shipped without a browser and without installing TCP/IP. Netscape became the darling of the new economy and Microsoft became pretty jealous. The browserwars started and for years to come, we had to deal with the IE (aka Infection Engine).
Let's go back a few more years even. Microsoft in it's first years. Bill Gates vision of an Operation System literally looked like this:
C:\>
Apple came along and their vision actually looked like something (namely: a desktop). Microsofts reaction to that... well ... the win 3.x product, aka the "colorful clownsuit for DOS". Something that never knew if it wanted to be an operating system or a GUI on top of an operating system. Hence it was both and neither at the same time, ridiculous to use and crashed whenever it had the chance to.
So, what else do we have? Oh yes, Surface, the "tablet" that does not really know if it wants to be a tablet or an ultrabook and hence tries to be both for the sole reason of microsoft again being in shock and awe and afraid of a competitor establishing an industry standard for Office on the tablet market, that is not MS office.
To summarize my point: None of Microsoft's major products is an innovation of their own. It's all "me too", usually inferior and generally only successful because MS has the leverage to swamp out their competition.
---------- Post added at 12:19 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:07 AM ----------
So ... you are interested in the universal tow coupling for caravans, truck trailers and railway carriage? Win8 is a complete and utter failure as it makes you constantly switch between a UI optimized for touchscreens and a UI that is optimized for mouse/keyboard. Yes, it's universal, but that doesn't make it usable.
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Wait, but that is all wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E0
Video incredibly relevant, apple has never been a source of innovation.
PROGUERAM said:
Whoa! Never thought of that. I have to agree. If u don't mind, can u tell me what u think of Android? I would love to hear.
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I have quite mixed feelings about Android. It is a system created by an advertising company and as such it has huge build-in privacy concerns. You can barely use the platform without tying yourself into the Google ecosystem (just try getting apps without having a Google account) and when you do, you can no longer stay anonymous. Use android to its fullest and you will give them your Name, credit card number, birthday, location, contacts, phonenumber and communication. In short: the wet dreams of an advertiser come through -> Total customer awareness and their privacy policy states pretty much that they are free to use that information in any way they like to.
To make matters worse, that data is also of interest to governments worldwide and since 9/11 we see constant attempts of legislators to push for laws to allow them to spy on their citizens (you may want to google "STASI" to get an idea of why it is a BAD idea to give governments the power to spy on their citizens).
Another thing, I thoroughly dislike on Android is the permission system. It's simply broken by design. Most users don't understand what most permissions encompass and you can't selectively deny them.
Then there is the problem that Google doesn't seem to have the balls to step up to carriers and make Android rooted by default. Ideally, you should own what you pay for, practically, you need root to install things like firewalls which are common sense on the PC, but for some reason not on a phone where the whole ecosystem pretty much demands it.
Last but not least, I have pretty much come to hate the screen on most devices. I never liked 16:9, I prefer 4:3 and as a developer, supporting a gazillion of different resolutions is a nightmare. I just published Pocket Bandit and getting the artwork to scale right was hell.
Android over Windows because Google Play has tons more apps and games than Windows 8 Appstore does, and Android has better sync options and the whole OS is built on your Google account. Like really... who wants to use Hotmail or Bing.
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Whoa! Never thought of that. I have to agree. If u don't mind, can u tell me what u think of Android? I would love to hear. <br />
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I have quite mixed feelings about Android. It is a system created by an advertising company and as such it has huge build-in privacy concerns. You can barely use the platform without tying yourself into the Google ecosystem (just try getting apps without having a Google account) and when you do, you can no longer stay anonymous. Use android to its fullest and you will give them your Name, credit card number, birthday, location, contacts, phonenumber and communication. In short: the wet dreams of an advertiser come through -> Total customer awareness and their privacy policy states pretty much that they are free to use that information in any way they like to.<br />
To make matters worse, that data is also of interest to governments worldwide and since 9/11 we see constant attempts of legislators to push for laws to allow them to spy on their citizens (you may want to google "STASI" to get an idea of why it is a BAD idea to give governments the power to spy on their citizens).<br />
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Another thing, I thoroughly dislike on Android is the permission system. It's simply broken by design. Most users don't understand what most permissions encompass and you can't selectively deny them.<br />
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Then there is the problem that Google doesn't seem to have the balls to step up to carriers and make Android rooted by default. Ideally, you should own what you pay for, practically, you need root to install things like firewalls which are common sense on the PC, but for some reason not on a phone where the whole ecosystem pretty much demands it.<br />
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Last but not least, I have pretty much come to hate the screen on most devices. I never liked 16:9, I prefer 4:3 and as a developer, supporting a gazillion of different resolutions is a nightmare. I just published Pocket Bandit and getting the artwork to scale right was hell.
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My god! You are an encyclopedia man...i would love to interact with u more. The facts you spoke are just mind blowing. It is rare that on a public forum, someone baffles u with knowledge of mammoth proportions. Is there a way we can keep in touch on Twitter? Or FB?
And that "It is a system created by an advertising company" comment just cracked me up. I work FOR an advertising firm and believe me it's just funny.
Just one question though, u said "Android does this...Android does that.." but don't ALL operating systems ask for your credit card information to buy apps? Isn't that a norm? How different is purchasing something online than in a real store? Why blame Android? Even WP does that and so does Apple..
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Hey guys! Which OS you all foresee that will become the next trendsetter in few years to come?
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Windows Phone and Windows 8 are getting more and more popular but personally i don't like the new metro interface and these OSes.
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Ubuntu! It's already gathered a lot of dev attention! Soon it will be a good competition for android!
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I guess I'm going for android or ubuntu. I'll probably start using ubuntu on my nexus but I may switch back to android. Hopefully we see easy porting of android apps.
Well they say that a mobile is has 10 years in it, and android may be the first to break that unless apple hire the next Steve jobs. Android has a decent push to keep momentum though I think that it will once again retract to being "the geek phone" is, which I Dont mind... I don't like android becoming so popular because future models will be dumbed down for the masses rather than suped up for us...
I think Ubuntu has a nice idea on paper and some eye candy but I think it isn't practicle in as application to be as widely accepted as iOS for the mainstream or as open and moddable (although it should be really, as its from Linux) to attract us nerds or devs beyond the initial "wow its Ubuntu on a phone" factor. It also relies on webapps rather than more mature os tactics of moving away from web apps, can't blame them though as they want lots if apps asap to compete.
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I don't know enough about tizen or Firefox to comment but I think Firefox os is DOA tbh.
That leaves the mighty windows phone, building up a catalogue of Apps and mind share, original and beautiful design reflecting windows 8 and Xbox, as fluid and intuitive as iOS with more functionality, slowly becoming more and more open, Nokia are driving it... I believe that wp can do it! I think that by wp9 there will be a lot more openness to the is for devs but not as much as android, but enough to feel free, it will catch on to people moving away from ios or people with Windows 8 tablets and ultra books and it will be a big thing. I love android to death but I believe wp8 will be the big thing of the future.
I think a route android may go is like Linux, different builds rather than just different skins, android touch wiz os could be potentially a different os to motoblur android for example... That could be a goood or a bad thing if it does.
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Windows phone is ok, but Microsoft has always been so restrictive, I cant see it taking off and storming the market. Android, because its open for the world to develop, hone and improve. Microsoft cant keep up, they are too interested in money and not what the consumer wants. Heck just look at how fast android has evolved. Compare that to the backwards step taken by Microsoft with the introduction of Vista, a few years back.
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Windows phone is ok, but Microsoft has always been so restrictive, I cant see it taking off and storming the market. Android, because its open for the world to develop, hone and improve. Microsoft cant keep up, they are too interested in money and not what the consumer wants. Heck just look at how fast android has evolved. Compare that to the backwards step taken by Microsoft with the introduction of Vista, a few years back.
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Was vista really a backwards step or were people (me included) complaining that a brand new GPU/ram-heavy OS was running slow and buggy on our 7 year old computers?
Both Android and windows (inc windows phone) have made huge advances in the last 2 or 3 years, and I've seriously considered sueing apple for false advertising with "most advanced operating system" lol not that its a bad system but no software of apple is particularly advanced... But I wouldn't win because 'advanced' us not quantitative enough and only really subjective (though on the back of that they should not be allowed to claim that, either)
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till now android is best, windows 8 is catching up lately, then we have ubuntu and mozilla os coming up head..its so exciting, and then recently bb10 is launched which got good reviews.
I dont even know if I should be mad or just baffled. My first phone was a Nokia 6085 flip phone. In my honest opinion I think if they went the Android route, we would see Nokia having more money then Samsung, HTC, and Sony combined
http://conversations.nokia.com/2013...n-letter-from-steve-ballmer-and-stephen-elop/
What do you guys think?
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't part of the original deal to get Nokia to make Windows phones, ie if the phone sales don't save Nokia, Microsoft will step in and buy them.
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They made the first wrong move of using windows platform in the first place.
Stephen Elop is a selfish bastard who pursues his own interests.
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Microsoft continues bad move after bad move. Their stranglehold on the desktop and productivity market won't cause them any overall company problems ever, but with the XBox One PR fiasco, Surface completely bombing, and buying a company that has no presence in the market and is a 'junk' credited company - it's no wonder Ballmer is getting forced out.
In my opinion its a good move Microsoft is trying to mimic what Apple has. A phone and its matching OS. But this will make everyone else who produces Windows Phone devices stop doing so. Nokia already had 90% (afair) of the WP market. With Microsoft building phones third party WP manufacturers wont have any chance at all
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Maybe now the windows phone will be better
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I dont even know if I should be mad or just baffled. My first phone was a Nokia 6085 flip phone. In my honest opinion I think if they went the Android route, we would see Nokia having more money then Samsung, HTC, and Sony combined
http://conversations.nokia.com/2013...n-letter-from-steve-ballmer-and-stephen-elop/
What do you guys think?
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Microsoft had to buy Nokia. Nokia could make Android. They could make more money. They could even dominate. Microsoft is scared of that potential. They had to buy Nokia to secure their future in mobile, or at least try to stay afloat for a while longer. You see, Nokia already serves as the vast majority of Windows phones. Losing that company to another OS is like taking out 90% of their mobile strategy.