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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/viewsonic-viewpad-10-and-10s-hands-on/
I'm just wondering if the one running 2.2 and Tegra2 has a better screen. Aside from that main difference looks to be an HDMI out port.
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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craigwillie said:
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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Is this CPU dual core?
What is the touchscreen? eGalax?
Has vacant mini-pci-e?
Or all the 2 mini pci-e slots are occupied by SSD and Wifi card?
Can you upgrade the RAM from 1 Gb to 2 Gb card?
Is SD card recognised in Grub and can you boot by SD in the current GRUB setup?
Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Wha?
I was under the impression the only reason Tegra 2 doesn't power Windows currently is that Windows doesn't have an ARM compatible product currently, and that should change by 2012.
As far as Android on intel architecture - that's up to Google. There's no reason that it shouldn't be able to run well unless Google has optimized code in Android especially for ARM vs. x86/x64 since Linux runs well on everything.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Not sure what you are saying. The Viewpad 10 is the one with android 1.6 and windows and has the atom processor and fan. The Viewpad 10s is a rebranded advent vega with a tegra 2, running android 2.2.
A fan has noting to do with anything. My windows 7 netbook is passivly cooled. The tegra 2 is more than enough to handle windows, the oly problem being is an arm arcitecture. But hey! We can run windows 95/98 with bochs!
There is absolutely no way that you will ever run Windows 7 on any ARM processor (ie: the Tegra 2). ARM is a totally different and incompatible architecture from x86, which is what Windows 7 runs on.
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Neoprimal said:
Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
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I think you got it right there. I would assume the VEGA is a lot more successful (critically-wise) than the GTablet's been so maybe they are looking to leave the Android tablet making to the experts!
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If we're both right, then the premium you are paying is more than likely a manufacturing fee to VEGA and HOPEFULLY some marketing push from Viewsonic to get this thing popular and get a good following for the device. The reason WE want a following... DEVs to MOD it!
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and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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OR BOTH! LOL!
Actually Froyo-x86 is possible AND released!
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
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The ViewPad 10 uses the Android-x86 projects port of 1.6. However, those guys just recently released a version of Froyo-x86... and it includes a specific port for the ViewPad 10!
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
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You can get a duo 10s from Amazon now "ViewSonic ViewPad10 10.1-Inch Dual Boot Tablet Supports Windows Home Premium and Android OS with Wi Fi/Bluetooth (Black)" for $599.
Just curious about this, do you think it might be possible to port Windows 8 ARM to our Transformer, Xoom and so on? What would be the system requirements of such a thing?
I love this future questions that nobody know
Just a guess mostly likey yes
I guesses most of the drivers will be exist the development will start fast
But lets wait
Windows 8 comes out when? Early 2013?
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microsoft demod windows on arm using a tegra 2, i donno if it was windows 8 as they didnt show the interface only a desktop environment
removed.
mikeseth said:
Actually, we can still start now.
Many people (incl. myself) already have the leaked build 7989
CPU: 1 GHz or faster
RAM: 1 GB ( for 32-bit) and 2 GB (for 64-bit)
Hard disk: 16 GB (for 32-bit) and 20 GB (for 64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
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1) Is it the arm version?
2) is it a legit version.
Between now and forever...depending on licencing...there would prabobly zero development with windows 8 on xda.
Unless the device speciafically comes with it...or ms allows people to install/buy it into a specific target device, distributing a rom containing windows 8 would be like posting a pirated copy of windows.
So as far windows 8 development on the tf, not gonna happen
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Well at least until can put ubuntu on it. That leaves the door open for other Distros.
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With the leak of build 7989, i'd love to see a port for the transformer. In fact, i bought the transformer exclusively because of win8, as I need one note.
why did you buy this for windows 8? Asus has many almost identical tablets (albeit a bit thicker) that run windows 7 fine. And microsoft said that any computer that could run windows 7 could run windows 8.
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Windows 8 comes out when? Early 2013?
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March 2012 is the latest I heard (Mary Jo Foley post)
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jerrykur said:
March 2012 OS the latest
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Um thats my birthday.
newtonc said:
With the leak of build 7989, i'd love to see a port for the transformer. In fact, i bought the transformer exclusively because of win8, as I need one note.
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the leak is x64, not arm.
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A msft video which shows a prototype tablet powered by a kal-el quad-core arm soc running windows 8, was really stunning. That should be it.
Sounds like a neat project. There's got to be a significant amount of driver porting work to do though.
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why did you buy this for windows 8? Asus has many almost identical tablets (albeit a bit thicker) that run windows 7 fine. And microsoft said that any computer that could run windows 7 could run windows 8.
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the only other asus tablet runs at $1000+, and has poor battery life. win 8 with arm support will be the way to go.
6 months from now the transformer will look like a piece of crap compared to what will be out. If you want windows 8 the best option would be to buy a new tablet that has it on there. The best point was made on the previous page which stated porting windows will be considered piracy and therefore banned from the forum. IF Microsoft releases windows 8 ARM as an installer (usb,cd,flash chips, who knows...) then there could be guides on here but NO ROMS as Windows is not FOSS. Then there's the price to consider... Don't get me wrong I would love Windows 8 on my TF but be realistic, it's not gonna happen.
it wouldn't be piracy if you were able to provide a legitimate proof of purchase.windows requiresaproduct key so if you went to the store and bought the disk then if someone found a way to modify the install process to run on transformer you could enter your product key and it would be perfectly legit. Allot of hard work but legal nonetheless
I am 100% there will be no Windows 8 development for Asus transformer at least on xda, and the other thing I am pretty sure about that Asus TF won't be able to run it, seriosly you think that Microsoft will make windows 8 so optimized that it work on "smartphone" processor Tegra 2? Nothing against windows, love it, but I think that tegra 2 processors are not powefull enough to run desktop OS. If there will be anykind of port of windows 8 on TF I would install it right away, but what can you do on it having only 1gig of ram? Check email on glitchy IE(I personaly hate it)? And by the time Windows 8 is going to be released, there will be new TF2. So insted of hoping for port of windows 8 on TF, better start saving money for TF2 or Windows 8 tablet which would give full new windows experience insted of ported one!
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Who cares about windows 8, can we boot windows 7 on our TF? as much as I love android 3 it can't be compared to windows.. could we boot it? the TF as duel core cpu while same 10' mini laptops as less powerfull single core..
Keen to see if Windows 8 will work on the TF101, but lacking the technical ability to attempt to install it, I'm wondering if anyone here has attempted to run the Windows 8 Consumer Preview on their transformer?
If so, how did you do it and did it perform?
Consumer preview is 32 and 64 bit not arm so it will not run
Microsoft also said that the bootloader on arm devices will be locked so you will only be able to get windows 8 arm on devices that come with it
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
horndroid said:
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
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thats right microsoft demo'd windows 8 on arm using a tegra 2 tablet with one gig of ram
they showed it when they first showed windows
Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Not really. Windows 8 for ARM will not be available to buy separately. It will only come pre-installed on devices.
Perhaps someone skilled will be able to get it to work in some highly unofficial way but they'd have to find a way around the secure bootloader requirements and also figure out how to get hardware drivers for the device in that Windows 8. Unlike Android, Windows 8 isn't open source so 'hackers' will have a harder time getting it on different devices.
Tablets are not like PC's with fairly long upgrade paths available. You buy it as it is and hopefully the manufacturer will keep supporting it for a while with upgrades.
Asus/Microsoft will prefer you to buy a new tablet with Windows 8 pre-installed when it becomes available.
I am not even sure I want to run Windows 8 on a tegra 2 tablet.
Maybe it's just me but tegra 2 already feels pretty slow.
Or you have this for have a windows 8 theme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1555220
Steven Sinofsky, responsible for the Windows RT said that this version of Windows is compatible with ARM architeture.
Maybe it's compatible with ARMv6, the same from our phone.
May we'll, someday, see a Windows RT ROM for P500?
It's a dumb question, since I'm not a developer...
But what do you guys think? It's possible or just a dream?
I'm meaning a hibrid ROM, like Paranoid (Tablet UI and Phone UI)
Jajaja i dont know if it.is possible
JB have many lags imagine windows 0.o :surprisemother****er:
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i feel its a long shot
but themed roms are always possible
The first thing that I felt after spending a couple hours of testing Windows 8 @ my notebook is: Wow!! This is so fluid! So smooth...
And my notebook it's a simple AMD Dual Core E-350 @1.6GHz and 2GB RAM.
Windows RT is a more clean version of Windows 8, it will run smooth on any device with, at least, 1 GHz and 512MB RAM.
Maybe our device could run WinRT too, with some lag, but running nice! hahaha
How can you guys even think of WinRT to work on our phones? We aren't able to run even B2G..!!!
Pedrorudi said:
The first thing that I felt after spending a couple hours of testing Windows 8 @ my notebook is: Wow!! This is so fluid! So smooth...
And my notebook it's a simple AMD Dual Core E-350 @1.6GHz and 2GB RAM.
Windows RT is a more clean version of Windows 8, it will run smooth on any device with, at least, 1 GHz and 512MB RAM.
Maybe our device could run WinRT too, with some lag, but running nice! hahaha
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Our device is quite a way off 1ghz, but if it works i'd like to see it
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Our device is quite a way off 1ghz, but if it works i'd like to see it
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Yeah, but with OC, our phone gets up to 729MHz without frying the CPU.
As I said, maybe it will run Windows RT, a bit laggy, buuut...
Windows RT system is about 6Gs(with basic apps to work) big. It would be a miracle to see a Transformer Prime run RT, let alone this phone.
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Windows RT system is about 6Gs(with basic apps to work) big. It would be a miracle to see a Transformer Prime run RT, let alone this phone.
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Sorry, forgot this "little" detail, forget it, we'll never see a port to our phone... =/
But, mods is not discarded. hahaha
Hello. I'm new on this forum, so please be gentle...
Can someone tell me how can I install Windows on a Tablet? I can't seem to find the answer on GOOGLE.
This is the Tablet and it's specs:
Name: Serioux S102TAB
Display: 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600, 5 point multi-touch, Capacitive
CPU: ARM, Cortex, A9, 1.2Ghz Dual Core, Rockchip RK3168
RAM: 1Gb DDR(3?)
HDD: 8Gb
External HDD: 32Gb microSD
GPU: ARM Mali 400
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, 3G
Multimedia: Speaker, Microphone, Web Cam 0.3 + 1.3 Mpx
OS: Android 4.2.2
Battery: Lithium Polymer 5000mAh
I appreciate any kinds of help and anyone who tries to help.
Have a nice day/night!
If you want install Windows like a PC (desktop apps...) it is impossible because are different platforms (ARM VS X86-64).
If you mean Windows RT, actually is it not possible
What do you mean I can't install Windows on a Tablet? There are Tablets that have Windows on them. I saw a tablet that had Windows and Android on it. They were two separate Tablets, but they were both the same model with the same specs.
I'm not talking about PC version of Windows. I'm talking about the version that is on Tablets and Phones, Windows Mobile or something. There has to be a Custom ROM with that kind of Windows for me to flash it on the Tablet. But I don't know where to look for it.
EDIT: I just found out that there is Windows 8.1 RT for ARM based devices.
If you mean the Asus Duet, it's an x86 , not ARM.
There aren't custom ROM with Windows RT inside. Cotulla is working on it with HTC One.
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Damn it, just search the net! Windows 8.1 RTM works with ARM cpus. The thing is I have no clue how to install it on android. It is an iso file that boots from the usb, but that only works on pcs(I think). They don't give us the instructions on how to install it on the Android. :crying::crying:
Gordon2013 said:
Hello. I'm new on this forum, so please be gentle...
Can someone tell me how can I install Windows on a Tablet? I can't seem to find the answer on GOOGLE.
This is the Tablet and it's specs:
Name: Serioux S102TAB
Display: 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600, 5 point multi-touch, Capacitive
CPU: ARM, Cortex, A9, 1.2Ghz Dual Core, Rockchip RK3168
RAM: 1Gb DDR(3?)
HDD: 8Gb
External HDD: 32Gb microSD
GPU: ARM Mali 400
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, 3G
Multimedia: Speaker, Microphone, Web Cam 0.3 + 1.3 Mpx
OS: Android 4.2.2
Battery: Lithium Polymer 5000mAh
I appreciate any kinds of help and anyone who tries to help.
Have a nice day/night!
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You cant run windows or even windows RT on your tablet/ majority of tablets out there (unless you create a virtual engine to mimic it which will work like crap) but i can suggest you side load Ubuntu with your android device which will work well. The OS is very malleable in that it is extremely open source AND is linux based, search for that instead... Good luck.
Quote RamRaja. Try to install that.
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Are you yelling and cussing at people to figure out what you cant?
Right now tablets dont really come as blank personal computing devices that you can unstall what ever OS and boot loader you want. The windows system would need drivers for all the on board hardware which may not be possible...
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This app might help you if needed for Microsoft windows core apps. It runs off a server... even gives you 2GB free cloud storage if they havent changed it yet. Onlive desktop app for android. Hope that helps.
BTW: Yes RT can run on ARM, but currently does not work for yours as detailed above.
scryan said:
Are you yelling and cussing at people to figure out what you cant?
Right now tablets dont really come as blank personal computing devices that you can unstall what ever OS and boot loader you want. The windows system would need drivers for all the on board hardware which may not be possible...
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First of all, sorry for yelling. I just said to him that there's already a windows that can run on arm cpus. But he didn't believe me...
Second, there aren't a large variety of components for tablets, most of them have the same crap. So it wouldn't be needing so many drivers.
RamRaja said:
This app might help you if needed for Microsoft windows core apps. It runs off a server... even gives you 2GB free cloud storage if they havent changed it yet. Onlive desktop app for android. Hope that helps.
BTW: Yes RT can run on ARM, but currently does not work for yours as detailed above.
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Well it says ANY arm based device. So my cpu falls into that category. Why are you saying my tablet can't run it?
BTW: I don't want to offend anyone. I just hoped that someone knew about it and how do do it. There is on now, but it's made for a surface tablet...
It would be nice if we could flash it though custom recovery.