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As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
I would greatly appreciate some discussion and information on these various devices and the problems and plus's of each. I like the Atrix due to its power, battery and potential if the bootloader is ever unlocked. The Inspire is interesting due to the wide amount of development but I have sever concerns about the power in comeing years, battery life, despite ROM's and the speaker. I like the Infuse's screen, power, and, due to unlocked bootloader, development potential.
I have had Samsung "dumb" phones in the past, the SMS flawed Impression and the sub-par Solstice, so i have some concerns about Samsung phones. I like HTC but dislike them putting tiny batteries in their high end phones. Motorola is generally OK but I understand support is a bit lacking. iPhone is super reliable but I believe the OS is stale and boring. Also, i worry about the 4's future with the advent of the iPhone 5 in the coming months and, like I said, I like Androids.
Lets get some discussion going!
This is posted in the General's of all 3 phones. Excluding the Focus.
AudioMaster13 said:
As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
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I currently have an iPhone 4 and have an upgrade available but if I had to choose another phone to upgrade to the only option I would really choose is the Infuse 4g, or (if I wait) the iPhone 5 or GalaxySII in September.
I love the IPS high resolution display of the iPhone 4 and the only way someone could get me to switch is with a phone that has greater outdoor readability such as SuperAmoled+. Atrix and Inspire screens just dont cut it for me.
AudioMaster13 said:
As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
I would greatly appreciate some discussion and information on these various devices and the problems and plus's of each. I like the Atrix due to its power, battery and potential if the bootloader is ever unlocked. The Inspire is interesting due to the wide amount of development but I have sever concerns about the power in comeing years, battery life, despite ROM's and the speaker. I like the Infuse's screen, power, and, due to unlocked bootloader, development potential.
I have had Samsung "dumb" phones in the past, the SMS flawed Impression and the sub-par Solstice, so i have some concerns about Samsung phones. I like HTC but dislike them putting tiny batteries in their high end phones. Motorola is generally OK but I understand support is a bit lacking. iPhone is super reliable but I believe the OS is stale and boring. Also, i worry about the 4's future with the advent of the iPhone 5 in the coming months and, like I said, I like Androids.
Lets get some discussion going!
This is posted in the General's of all 3 phones. Excluding the Focus.
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Just upgraded from captivate to infuse and loving it...even though this thing is basically a giant captivate with a major upgraded battery, front facing camera and amazing 8 megapixal camera...this phone feels so smooth and zips... dunno if its the 1.2 gigahertz processor or just the software, though one thing i miss about my captivate is the ROM support we are starting slow in that regard but are recruiting some of the best developers from other phones so expect big things from developers on the infuse
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Get the infuse 4g single core better battery life, sgs2 dual core lol why you need dualcore when are you going to install photoshop for windows on a phone lol, and having dual core for for me the great disadvantage for for it is is always having to look for an outlet to charge the phone, that's what you called not being mobile, + the high price tag. Just debt use task killer on an android phone. Just use Juice Defender it saves you battery turn of wifi when not in use, and it turn of 4g too while activate edge so you still receive messages
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Atrix has a locked bootloader and is therefore not worth buying.
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Get the infuse 4g single core better battery life, sgs2 dual core lol why you need dualcore when are you going to install photoshop for windows on a phone lol, and having dual core for for me the great disadvantage for for it is is always having to look for an outlet to charge the phone, that's what you called not being mobile, + the high price tag. Just debt use task killer on an android phone. Just use Juice Defender it saves you battery turn of wifi when not in use, and it turn of 4g too while activate edge so you still receive messages
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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What bubble you silly butt. Your a kid right?
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What bubble you silly butt. Your a kid right?
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No, I'm not, which should be evident from my ability to use proper spelling and grammar.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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This would only be true if the software (OS and apps) were optimized for the dual core. At this point they are not and dual core phones seem to be eating batteries like candy.
johnnydeathmatch said:
Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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gross over simplification. now when the phone sleeps (most of the time if it is your pocket) you need to support 2 cores, not one.
also your example up there wont happen in the real world. the cpu governor wont just go to 50% and give up as to compare it to another processor. also the 2 cores will never be at similar levels and im sure they are not independantly scalable just yet. data is processed in threads. the end of the thread cant be processed before the begining it need to be done from start to finnish. although, with a pc that has hyper threading it may be able to interupt the thread to start another one and finish the first thread later you cant parellelize everything, multi core and hyper threading are much more effective if many applications are running or applications have processes that can be parallelized and are written to run then that way in multiple threads. what will happen with the simpler arm chips is more likely that there will always be one core working hard (not always the same core) and the driver will force the other core to run at the same frequency(not even the gpu is scalable independant of cpu on any platform i know of, i doubt each core is scalable independantly on the dual core stuff) but it will only be working maybe 30% of the time on shorter threads. for your assumption to be correct you would need applications written in for multi threading and more sophistication in the way the cpus are handled and a governor tuned explicitly for battery life.
dual core may reduce lag when you have a background service running though. that may feel like a significant performance increase even if the cores aren't being fully utilized, this may help with using the phone as a wifi hotspot, or downloading files while playing games. i dont think we should go beyond 2 cores for a while on phones because it is difficult to run multiple applications at the same time with little screen real estate, and any multi tasking will leave most applications idle most of the time. the whole os has been tuned for less lag even on slower hardware. that usually means fewer threads that may be longer. my home pc is a 3 core, i could have had a 4 core or waited for 6+ core but the real world difference is dependant on so many things, i just didnt see the point.
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No, I'm not, which should be evident from my ability to use proper spelling and grammar.
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Okay my bad I actually remember my 3 gay school mate always use that word on my college years, nothing wrong being gay just saying I just remember.
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I posted this in the general forum but did not get an answer, so posting here hoping for a reply. Sorry if this is breaking forum rules, I doing think it is but....if it is flame away and delete ...anyways. I am just curious with the introduction of quad core tablets, how do they match up to similar spec CPU in raw power. I understand that android, iOS, and windows ( in the future) are mobile OS, So directly comparing the to a laptop is useless. I did however notice that the new t33 clocked and 1.6ghz is only .1 slower than my laptop to with is running a AMD quad core at 1.7ghz. So I'm just wondering is it a direct comparison in just processing power alone or is the architecture so different in the laptop and desktop that even at the same speed they win in the power category .
Totally different. Due to the ARM architecture, the CPU is a lot less powerful than comparably clocked CPUs using the x86 or x86_64 architecture.
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Totally different. Due to the ARM architecture, the CPU is a lot less powerful than comparably clocked CPUs using the x86 or x86_64 architecture.
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Thank you for the reply. Do you have any idea on the scale? How fast would a arm CPU have to be clocked to equal a x86 or x64?
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Thank you for the reply. Do you have any idea on the scale? How fast would a arm CPU have to be clocked to equal a x86 or x64?
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There is literally no comparison. I have a crap old AMD Athlon 64 x2 clocked at around 3 ghz with ddr2 RAM (lolwut, in 2012?). It gets 3x better sunspider scores than my infinity does. I don't know if that's the browser or what but, I think an ARM CPU would have to be at least 5-6 times higher clocked to get similar performance from x86 CPUs. For modern day ones, I think maybe even up to 10-20x. Of course, this is just my talking out of my ass here, I don't really know the exact numbers.
Well I guess my dreams of have a tablet that is truly as powerful as my laptop are still far off. But with the way tech is progressing I'm sure we'll have it someday..
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Well I guess my dreams of have a tablet that is truly as powerful as my laptop are still far off. But with the way tech is progressing I'm sure we'll have it someday..
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Why? You didn't mean to play Diablo 3 on it, did you? The apps for tablets take this difference into account, so it is really a question of what apps suit your needs.
(BTW, my i3 laptop is only 4 times faster than Chrome on the Infinity running ICS, it will be probably only 3 times faster when the JB for the Infinity shows up; and we don't really need all the CPU power of i3/i5/i7 for casual web browsing..)
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Well I guess my dreams of have a tablet that is truly as powerful as my laptop are still far off. But with the way tech is progressing I'm sure we'll have it someday..
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Ms surface. Core i5. Although it won't have quite the god tier 16:10 resolution of the infinity.
I got b& at /g/ for sh!tposting ;_;
ARM Cortex-A9(same as Tegra3) is in between Intel's Atom and their Desktop x86 CPUs.
A dual core Cortex-A9 is considerably faster than an Intel Atom N270 in some operations. However, it is difficult to really compare as few benchmarks are optimized for both ARM *and* x86.
The ARM architecture's primary focus is low power while being inexpensive so it will be slower than Intel's x86 by design.
Although I realize that the power of tablets have along way to go before they are playing AAA games. I would like tablets to get to a point where they can run the same level of software ( optimized for mobile of course). Desktops will always be more powerful but as it stands right now my laptop can play pretty much any game my desktop can just on lower settings. I would like a tablets to replace this. The benefits of course lower power requirements for battery life and better mobility. I thought that with quad core tablets with ghz reaching closer and closer to laptops that we where getting close but I did not know enough about x86 & x64 to know it made so much of a difference. I need to take a computer class .
I know that the cloud can give the illusion of tablets having more power than they do, but the cloud has along way till it can be fully realized to many restrictions as it stand now. Even with tablets having 4g connection it still limits mobility through contracts, deadzones, lag and makes you pay more multiple times to do what you want. Maybe in the future the cloud will make all this a wash and well all carry thin lower power devices that only need to decode video and receive input, but I see that as along way away.
fd4101 said:
Although I realize that the power of tablets have along way to go before they are playing AAA games. I would like tablets to get to a point where they can run the same level of software ( optimized for mobile of course). Desktops will always be more powerful but as it stands right now my laptop can play pretty much any game my desktop can just on lower settings. I would like a tablets to replace this. The benefits of course lower power requirements for battery life and better mobility. I thought that with quad core tablets with ghz reaching closer and closer to laptops that we where getting close but I did not know enough about x86 & x64 to know it made so much of a difference. I need to take a computer class .
I know that the cloud can give the illusion of tablets having more power than they do, but the cloud has along way till it can be fully realized to many restrictions as it stand now. Even with tablets having 4g connection it still limits mobility through contracts, deadzones, lag and makes you pay more multiple times to do what you want. Maybe in the future the cloud will make all this a wash and well all carry thin lower power devices that only need to decode video and receive input, but I see that as along way away.
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You better hope this never happens. The cloud = gigantic botnet. Google will take ALL your information and beam ideas directly to your head.
Lol well i m not sure anything can stop it but I'll start stocking up on tin foil, I'll make you a hat and ship it to you.
It's hard to say but in terms of gaming we are seeing some quite interesting developments. For example Max Payne and GTA 3 on a tablet is quite impressive if you think what kind of PC you had to own when this games were released.
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And there's Baldur's Gate for Android coming
d14b0ll0s said:
And there's Baldur's Gate for Android coming
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That's already possible since years.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.gemrb
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That is true games have come along way through optimization. Maybe games with just be better optimized and hardware won't be such a concern.
Nebucatnetzer said:
That's already possible since years.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.gemrb
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Looks cool, but the comments say otherwise. I meant the version intended for Android tablets.
d14b0ll0s said:
Looks cool, but the comments say otherwise. I meant the version intended for Android tablets.
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I tried it quite a while ago so I don't know if anything has changed.
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Basically they say it's slow even on some fast phones, gets FCs and you can't go into some menus without doing some crazy tricks. But it's nice to see some development like this. I'm still waiting for the official version, with some fright too, as it's pretty time-consuming..
8 cores in a mobile device is clearly a first and Samsung were likely to be the company to bring it to us BUT what's the point?
Is it just me who sees that as excessive?
There's not a chance that we'll even TRULY feel the power of the extra 4 cores. 4 cores aren't generally needed in other phones as there's only a small handful of games which actually use all the power. Even in those games, the most you're gonna have is a very sought amount of extra power.
Technology is still a few years away from needing 8 cores in a phone so really there's no point as the end user won't feel a difference in the slightest.
I'll admit it's a clever gimmick to sell more but, in my opinion, that's all it is.
What do others think?
This has been discussed to death, the point is for power efficiency without losing peak performance. That's the only and single reason this exists. You will have excellent battery life in every-day tasks due to it.
samsung people are mainly concentrating on specifications.. in order to match with xperia z waterproof and htc one 's features , the only thing they can do is sticking with ultra high spec..it is lookwise galaxy note 2 only..no doubt..so may be spec will be their primary concern...
The S3 does a more than good enough job in that regard though and there's only gonna be a certain amount of space for improvement. A whole 4 cores extra will leave purge majority of its power wasted. 6 cores, fair enough (to an extent) but not that many.
Samsung always tries to set a new standard regarding specs.
So they try to push other mobile facturers to do the same.
Also I think they use an 8 core so the S4 doesnt outdate that quickly.
Plus that it can actually be batterysaving tot have an 8 core over a 4 core CPU.
But this is just my opinion .
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The S3 does a more than good enough job in that regard though and there's only gonna be a certain amount of space for improvement. A whole 4 cores extra will leave purge majority of its power wasted. 6 cores, fair enough (to an extent) but not that many.
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u can't compare A9 cores with A15 cores
A15 slightly use more power ( thats the biggest problem on A15 cores )
It is not a "real" 8-core CPU. It consists of two quad cores that alternate. One is a high end CPU that blows away previous hardware. The other is a low powered but efficient CPU that literally sips battery life. The phone alternates between the two based on the task at hand. Basically, you will never be using more than 4-cores and that is by design.
Kresge said:
It is not a "real" 8-core CPU. It consists of two quad cores that alternate. One is a high end CPU that blows away previous hardware. The other is a low powered but efficient CPU that literally sips battery life. The phone alternates between the two based on the task at hand. Basically, you will never be using more than 4-cores and that is by design.
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ThankKresgege - that's good to know. I wasn't sure exactly how they were going to be utilizing the 8 cores, but what you just said makes complete sense. :good:
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It is not a "real" 8-core CPU. It consists of two quad cores that alternate. One is a high end CPU that blows away previous hardware. The other is a low powered but efficient CPU that literally sips battery life. The phone alternates between the two based on the task at hand. Basically, you will never be using more than 4-cores and that is by design.
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So, you will use the powersufficient cores most of the time (which is actually more batteryfriendly than the CPU in S3), and use the superultra high-end CPU when you need some incredible amount of power?
Could 8 cores finally push the ppsspp(PSP) emulator to work better? I know the app is still beta but I tried it on Tablet with Quad core Tegra 3 clocked at 1.4ghz & the frames froze so much the game was unplayable. If anyone has tried God of War in the emulator you know what I mean.lol.
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cyrusalmighty said:
Could 8 cores finally push the ppsspp(PSP) emulator to work better? I know the app is still beta but I tried it on Tablet with Quad core Tegra 3 clocked at 1.4ghz & the frames froze so much the game was unplayable. If anyone has tried God of War in the emulator you know what I mean.lol.
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Why don't you get that the phone is not 8 cores. People need to stop with this.its like having two phones in one.one for browsing and low Cpu usage the other one is for heavy gaming etc etc. Its not 8 cores running at the same time
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lol, so many people in here just refuse to read.
@OP The 8 cores are not meant for power they are meant to save it the power hungry a15s will drain more battery whereas the a7s use considerably less the a15s will only be used when necessary meaning u will be saving alot battery
I have a feeling were gonna be addressing this alot
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@OP The 8 cores are not meant for power they are meant to save it the power hungry a15s will drain more battery whereas the a7s use considerably less the a15s will only be used when necessary meaning u will be saving alot battery
I have a feeling were gonna be addressing this alot
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Indeed you are. It's basically like having an MTK MT6589 chipset for low-demanding applications and a Snapdragon 600 for high-demanding applications on one die.
No doubt they're going to make this a selling point though.
even quad cores for a phone is insane overkill lol, but for the latest demanding 3d games its sure needed.
I did a write-up on this so we can hopefully avoid these discussions for the rest of the year.
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even quad cores for a phone is insane overkill lol, but for the latest demanding 3d games its sure needed.
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It is not an octa-core phone by any means if you call the Tegra 3 quad-core. If Samsung dares to claim this thing (4+4) octa-core, the Tegra 3/4 (4+1)is penta-core.
The S4 (international) have 4 A7 cores clocked at (1.2GHz?) and another 4 A15 cores @1.6GHz. The two sets of cores can never run at the same time. This is the big.little idea - A7 cores are more efficient and are used for light tasks, the A15 cores are power hungry but have more horsepower. So it is designed to save energy when compared to only 4 A15 cores.
However whether this or Snapdragon's Krait save more energy is still unknown as of now. Benchmarks have shown the S4 having a very similar performance with the HTC One (w/ Snapdragon 600).
For me, Samsung took this approach due to two benefits: power saving (as said above) and a marketing gimmick. Uninformed people may likely scream "Wow, 8-cores on a phone? That must be powerful!" after watching their ads, so the S4 may sell more.
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That is the type of processing they have chosen.
But with custom kernels which have hmp support you will be able to use any number of (upto8) in any order
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That is the type of processing they have chosen.
But with custom kernels which have hmp support you will be able to use any number of (upto8) in any order
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Hi xda,
I have small hands. I have largish hands for a female, but still too small to reach the upper left corner of my Nexus 4's screen when using it with one hand. Very annoying, since many important controls reside there; I often end up dropping the phone if I try to reach them.
It annoys me greatly that there are no Android devices with high-end specs that have a screen smaller than 4.3" All I want is a phone with Nexus 4 specs, in the body of, say, the Galaxy minis. But all I see is smaller screens with crippled hardware. The HTC One mini comes close, with 2GB of RAM (in my opinion, the needed amount for snappy performance in 4.2), but it's months dow the road with too many ifs, and I tire of waiting. I see many phones outside the US that fit my needs, but I don't see importing as a viable option, since rom support would be questionable.
As much as I dislike Apple's ecosystem, I'm about to switch back, since the iPhone is the only option that meets my needs. I recognize that the iPhone 5 has hardware commensurate to a much weaker phone on the Android side, but iOS, in my experience, is a bit less demanding. I would rather stick with Android, but handset makers do not cater to me
I'm female too, and my hands are relatively small (glove size 6/S). Yet I'm actually intending to buy a bigger phone: the 5.99" Note 3, because I find my SGS3 not big enough.
I don't know what you're doing wrong, but I can easily reach the top left corner of my screen with one hand. No, not if I keep my pinky around the phone, but if I slide it a bit, I can reach past the screen. And it's never in danger of falling out of my hand during the process.
The reason smaller phones have lesser hardware is because they don't require high-end specs: there's no point in having a 1080p screen in 4". And if your resolution is low, your hardware doesn't need to work as hard. So they put in lower-end hardware. What's the point of having and paying for high end hardware if it's never going to be used by the phone itself?
Bigger phones bigger ****
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The reason smaller phones have lesser hardware is because they don't require high-end specs: there's no point in having a 1080p screen in 4". And if your resolution is low, your hardware doesn't need to work as hard. So they put in lower-end hardware. What's the point of having and paying for high end hardware if it's never going to be used by the phone itself?
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I do not entirely agree. While true, a smaller screen is less demanding, the difference between a browser on 1GB of memory vs. 2GB is huge. My Galaxy Nexus before my Nexus 4 was much slower at rendering pages. I had a TF700t as well, and 1GB of memory did not sustain a comfortable experience and there was considerable lag launching and using applications.
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I do not entirely agree. While true, a smaller screen is less demanding, the difference between a browser on 1GB of memory vs. 2GB is huge. My Galaxy Nexus before my Nexus 4 was much slower at rendering pages.
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My guess is that the amount of RAM has nothing to do with page rendering, it helps with multitasking, the difference in page rendering you see is due to the raw CPU power the Nexus 4 has over the G.Nexus, not the amount of RAM, may i remind you the Nexus 4 has a S4 Pro with 4 cores @ 1.5 GHz while the G.Nexus is a TI OMAP dual core @ 1.2 GHz, not to mention the Krait cores on the S4 Pro have better performance than the A9 cores on the TI OMAP.
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My guess is that the amount of RAM has nothing to do with page rendering, it helps with multitasking, the difference in page rendering you see is due to the raw CPU power the Nexus 4 has over the G.Nexus, not the amount of RAM, may i remind you the Nexus 4 has a S4 Pro with 4 cores @ 1.5 GHz while the G.Nexus is a TI OMAP dual core @ 1.2 GHz, not to mention the Krait cores on the S4 Pro have better performance than the A9 cores on the TI OMAP.
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Ah, yeah, I realized my bad choice of words after posting, but couldn't edit for five minutes so went to do other things.
I completely get that the Nexus 4 has a better CPU. Bad example on my part.
Perhaps better though, is when I got my TF700t. That and the Nexus 4 have *somewhat* comparable CPUs, at least in terms of Ghz/Cores, correct me if I'm wrong. However, the Transformer was painful to use due to having half the RAM. Opening Chrome became a frustrating waiting game. The Galaxy Note 8 that I had for a short time, however, was much snappier. There was much less waiting for pages to become responsive.
What are the important things which reside in the upper left corner?? hmm.. never gave it a thought- pls tell!!
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Ah, yeah, I realized my bad choice of words after posting, but couldn't edit for five minutes so went to do other things.
I completely get that the Nexus 4 has a better CPU. Bad example on my part.
Perhaps better though, is when I got my TF700t. That and the Nexus 4 have *somewhat* comparable CPUs, at least in terms of Ghz/Cores, correct me if I'm wrong. However, the Transformer was painful to use due to having half the RAM. Opening Chrome became a frustrating waiting game. The Galaxy Note 8 that I had for a short time, however, was much snappier. There was much less waiting for pages to become responsive.
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Have you bothered to read even one page in the TF700 forum? Because we've made it abundantly clear that the amount of RAM is not the issue: The I/O issue is what's responsible for the lag. Flash a different ROM (Cromi-x) and the Tab is the fastest on the market.
Also, and I am getting quite tired of saying this time and time again: The Nexus 4 is 1280x768, the TF700 is 1920x1200. That's almost twice as many pixels it has to push, on a screen almost three times as big. Do the math. The N4 is pretty much a Vehron in an urban 30kph zone. Way too much power it's never going to need.
And also a small point regarding the comparison between the tf700t and the nexus 4. The nexus 4 has the s4 pro, which far and away destroys the tegra 3 because of the superior architecture. Just because both are quad core does not mean you can expect similar performance.
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hi guys so thought of opening this thread to see ur openions on reasons to get the new Note and if its worth buying for you
for me i would defently get it and my reasons are
Big screen
S-pen
Leather back and beautiful design
and i think the new battery will be a lot lot better than my S3's
I have only one reason, to give me as a christmas gift the Note 3-> i'am on a HOX now
my reason is simple "because my note1 is old and start to make problems"
I am very interested in the Note 3 if the battery shows it can get a full day's use in a single charge. My RAZR Maxx HD has spoiled me... I don't need 48 hours but I do need around 16 hours with heavy usage - 4 to 5+ hours of screen on time.
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The Note 3 should get around 5-7 hours on screen time easily.
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The Note 3 should get around 5-7 hours on screen time easily.
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Can't wait to see some screenshots of that....
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I am very interested in the Note 3 if the battery shows it can get a full day's use in a single charge.
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I think the extra four hours of video playback that Samsung quoted at the launch event are going to turn out to be true. Not because of some Samsung wizardry or a slightly larger battery but because of the efficiency of S-800. Here are some excerpts from Anandtech's battery review of the S-800 LG G2. Samsung's better with s/w than LG so I'd expect even better performance from the N3. Obviously comparing a LCD and AMOLED panel 1:1 isn't appropriate and typically AMOLED does better on dark colors (video) and LCD does better on light colors (web browsing). But the percentage gains Brian talks about in the review comparing the similar G1<>G2 should apply to the N2<>N3; maybe even more so because Exynos 4 is a far older design than the S4 Pro in the G1.
One of the things Qualcomm promised would come with Snapdragon 800 (8974) (and by extension the process improvement with 28nm HPM) was lower power consumption, especially versus Snapdragon 600 (8064). There are improvements throughout the overall Snapdragon 800 platform which help as well, newer PMIC (PM8941) and that newer modem block onboard as well, but overall platform power goes down in the lower performance states for Snapdragon 800. In addition the G2 has a few unique power saving features of its own, including display GRAM (Graphics RAM) which enables the equivalent of panel self refresh for the display. When the display is static, the G2 can run parts of the display subsystem and AP off and save power, which they purport increases the mixed use battery life case by 10 percent overall, and 26 percent compared to the actively refreshing display equivalent. In addition the G2 has a fairly sizable 3000 mAh 3.8V (11.4 watt-hour) battery which is stacked to get the most out of the rounded shape of the device, and utilizes LG's new SiO+ anode for increased energy density compared to the conventional graphite anode.
Our battery life test is unchanged, we calibrate the display to exactly 200 nits and run it through a controlled workload consisting of a dozen or so popular pages and articles with pauses in between until the device dies. This is repeated on cellular and WiFi, in this case since we have an international model of the G2 that lacks the LTE bands used in the USA, that's 3G WCDMA on AT&T's Band 2 network. I've tested 3G battery life on devices concurrently for a while now in addition to LTE though, so we still have some meaningful comparisons. The most interesting comparisons are to the Optimus G (APQ8064) and HTC One (APQ8064T) previous generation.
The G2 also charges very fast for its battery size. I've been profiling charging behavior and current for devices for a while now, since I strongly believe that battery life and charging speed are complimentary problems. You should always opportunistically charge your smartphone, being able to draw as much while you have access to a power outlet is critical. The G2 can negotiate a 2A charge rate on my downstream charge port controller and charges very fast in that mode. Of course the PM8941 PMIC also includes some new features that Qualcomm has given QuickCharge 2.0 branding.
You can read more here...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7251/lg-g2-and-msm8974-snapdragon-800-a-quick-look/3
In addition, Samsung's implemented Qualcomm's Envelope Tracker chip in the N3 which (supposedly) is good for a 25% overall battery life savings because of enhanced management of radio signals.
The Note contains a Qualcomm chip called an envelope tracker, which will dramatically reduce the amount of power needed to run its LTE radio. We’re going to see this technology in a lot more devices.http://gigaom.com/2013/09/05/thanks...xy-note-3s-huge-screen-wont-kill-its-battery/
It's true, it's not the battery. My Moto X with a 2100 battery can easily get 4-6 hours on screen time.
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1. Sdcard slot
2. 5.7" 1080p screen
3. huge removable battery
4. snapdragon 800
5. 3 gb ram
im sold lol
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1. Sdcard slot
2. 5.7" 1080p screen
3. huge removable battery
4. snapdragon 800
5. 3 gb ram
im sold lol
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i think a better quote would be samsung shut up and take my money but i'll have to settle with the Exynos because of my crappy country
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The Note 3 should get around 5-7 hours on screen time easily.
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i hope that goes for the exynos version 2 because the 5210 was a fail so hoping the newer one will be better
my reason is because it can do everything the s4 can and even more on a larger screen,with a pen you can carry inside the phone!
My reasons to get N3-
1. Large Screen.
2. SoC - Preferring Snapdragon but i am afriad i will wind up getting the one Exynos.
3. RAM - Dude 3GB? The desktop i am using right now is having 2 GB RAM
4. Good Developer Support
5. I was fascinated by the leather touch given by sammy.
6. 13MP Camera is enough for me as i own Canon SX50 HS too.
7. Gonna pair the N3 with Gear.
Well this are my reasons, but to each his own..:angel:
N3 is gonna rule . \m/
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My reasons to get N3-
1. Large Screen.
2. SoC - Preferring Snapdragon but i am afriad i will wind up getting the one Exynos.
3. RAM - Dude 3GB? The desktop i am using right now is having 2 GB RAM
4. Good Developer Support
5. I was fascinated by the leather touch given by sammy.
6. 13MP Camera is enough for me as i own Canon SX50 HS too.
7. Gonna pair the N3 with Gear.
Well this are my reasons, but to each his own..:angel:
N3 is gonna rule . \m/
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I agree Note 3 is gonna rule! Only concern i have is knox locking down the bootloader very very tight
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i think a better quote would be samsung shut up and take my money but i'll have to settle with the Exynos because of my crappy country
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i dont think that would turn me off from buying it either. no other phone can touch this thing with screen size and features not even G2
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Blackwolf10 said:
i think a better quote would be samsung shut up and take my money but i'll have to settle with the Exynos because of my crappy country
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your crappy country might be getting a beast
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/09/11...hrough-software-upgrade/#.UjB-rwL7Ayw.twitter
oneandroidnut said:
I agree Note 3 is gonna rule! Only concern i have is knox locking down the bootloader very very tight
i dont think that would turn me off from buying it either. no other phone can touch this thing with screen size and features not even G2
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your crappy country might be getting a beast
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/09/11...hrough-software-upgrade/#.UjB-rwL7Ayw.twitter
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owh owh now that is nice wondering how antutu will score
Ill probably take the octa version.
The reasons because I want the note3:
1fantastic display
2)3gb ram
3)working big.LITTLE
4)multiwindow
5)Wacom pen and digitizer
6)battery life
7) Wolfson DAC on the 5420
8)good camera
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owh owh now that is nice wondering how antutu will score
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dont know but cant be bad! and it isnt all about benchmarks for me! but they are nice for comparing devices!
I only have one reason.......
1. Because its awesome
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I have been interested in the Note since the first one but was more a fan of HTC devices and was unsure with how large it was. When I switched to Sprint (bad idea) I went with the EVO 4G LTE which I like but its starting to show its age and now that pretty much all HTC devices are going the iPhone route and not allowing you to swap out the battery or add memory I started looking more at the Note 2 and Verizon. I like the large screen and like the overall feel of the phone. Doing a little research and holding out I am now very excited to go away from Sprint and their complete lie of LTE services in my area and to Verizon and a Note 3. HTC makes some nice phones but I am ready to try something else. Hope I will be able to root it the day I get it though.
I'm getting it because I want it and need it Upgrading my phone every yr is a must.