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[ROM][32B] tek's-ROM v0.0.1 pre-ALPHA, [Donut], "What's wrong with this picture?"
Hi, all,
Here is a project I have been working on for a couple days I would like to share with you. This is a pure, unmodified Android 1.6 Donut ROM.
Remember, this is a PRE-ALPHA, so don't expect stability, or anything extraordinary. Given that I am a pretty big n00b when it comes to developing (thus the broken market and sync in a 1.6 ROM ), and any help in getting these apps working is greatly appreciated.DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING HAPPENING TO YOUR PHONE, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!.
UPDATED: Okay, this thing is now usable. Ive combined AOSP code and The HTC ADP1 ROM so everything on the doesn't work list now works. The only things that dont work are the Apps2SD and Su (working on this as we speak). This ROM is also 100% stock.
Okay, so here are the lists:
What works:
Camera
Wifi
Gps
Keyboard
Phone
SMS
Essentially everything that isn't on the doesn't work list.
What doesn't work (everything on this list will be fixed in the future)
Su
Apps2SD
Also thanks to cyanogen for some of the system apps that have been pulled from his rom .
Download link:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=87E09WTH
Cheers!
Wondering why all these things dont work on a donut rom lol?
Anyways good work
mainly causeI'm actually trying to learn how to build a donut rom lol, hopefully without making yself look like a total idiot.
this is pretty much useless
tekgek said:
mainly causeI'm actually trying to learn how to build a donut rom lol, hopefully without making yself look like a total idiot.
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Speed is the most important, and with all of this broken it wont help. Try making something of the new eris port.
nick8197 said:
this is pretty much useless
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you're not being helpful by saying that, this kid (i'm assuming, could be wrong) just wants to learn how to build ROMs and is asking for help.
Is this rom built straight off of AOSP or is it another rom and you put own touches? Because it will help alot more so i can see if i can fix some of the broken apps for you
EDIT: It helps alot more to theme after you fix everything... Just my opinion
XxKOLOHExX said:
Is this rom built straight off of AOSP or is it another rom and you put own touches? Because it will help alot more so i can see if i can fix some of the broken apps for you
EDIT: It helps alot more to theme after you fix everything... Just my opinion
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It is built straight off AOSP, with the goal of being really fast, as fast as any other really good donut rom. But none of the other google apps work out of the box on AOSP, as I probably should have known. I would really appreciate it if you could help me out on this.
I agree, I should have themed it after, but I love the theme,so I just stuck it in there.
Tekgek
Why should I want to flash this? Or rather, why should I want to flash this once it's more developed? What is this going to have that Cyanogen or Super D or CSDI doesn't?
My point is, it'd be a good idea to maybe put something out there that you're planning on implementing into this that no one else is doing, or that you can do better. We have several stable, incredibly fast Donut roms out there right now, so what should set this apart from the rest of the crowd?
Just my two cents. I'd love to see this turn into something spectacular.
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Just my two cents. I'd love to see this turn into something spectacular.
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So would I. To one poster on this thread, I am just a person with computer skills who just got interested in Android two days ago. However, I do have plans for this rom, something that may or may not be possible. Any developer who is interested in the concept please pm me, and tell me if I am dreaming things up that are impossible or not.
EDIT: Okay, I guess its not that top secret, post ideas here too, if you like. My idea is to create a donut rom with the speed and stability of Android 1.6 on the G1, but with the ability to run 2.1 3d apps natively. Essentially, take what cyanogen has done with his ROMs to a whole new level. Impossible? Probably. Opinions, people who actually have experience with Android?
"whats wrong with this picture?"
The following
What doesn't work (everything on this list will be fixed in the future)
Android Market
Google Sync
Initial Setup
Google Apps in general
Apps2SD
nick8197 said:
this is pretty much useless
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I guess it is, i mean donut stock is perfect, but again no need to theme it with what u like, leave it stock and give the link and option to theme it, I love stock donut ROms
From the department of stabbing in the dark, it sounds like your Google apps aren't signed with the right keys. I believe they need to be signed with the same keys as the rest of the /system/app apps you build off the source. Swim through Cyanogen's Twitter posts as I believe he's answered this there before (or just try resigning them and see if it works.)
To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
To The Other Users:
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the replies I've been reading. It seems like a lot of you only really care about how this rom effects you, rather than how it effects the author in general. You don't build giant empire over night, but it does show that he put a lot of effort into the build. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't make remarks that bring the developer down.
apreichner said:
To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
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First off, thanks for the support. I really appreciate it . Second, where would I out said GApps when compiling the source?
apreichner said:
To the Author:
Good job on your first build. Keep up the hard work. It sounds to me like you might not have added the GApps after you compiled it from kernel, but I could be wrong as I haven't flashed it. But don't lose hope, you'll get it.
To The Other Users:
I'm a bit disappointed in some of the replies I've been reading. It seems like a lot of you only really care about how this rom effects you, rather than how it effects the author in general. You don't build giant empire over night, but it does show that he put a lot of effort into the build. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't make remarks that bring the developer down.
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I agree, the maturity of some posts is quite unfortunate, no? We live in quite the selfish era =). I would like to see what you pull off in the future.
Hey dude I hope you become better at making the roms and you become an even better dev
with ALL the other BETTER donut roms, why do we even need this?
for a nice stable donut. cyanogen
anything other variation can be found.
plus all the other broken crap...gimme one good reason to flash this haha
rizocreations said:
with ALL the other BETTER donut roms, why do we even need this?
for a nice stable donut. cyanogen
anything other variation can be found.
plus all the other broken crap...gimme one good reason to flash this haha
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what a stupid comment..
Tek,
Thanks for taking time to develop ROM for our device. Goodluck!
now rebased off rvu 1.3.1 so that means 4g should be a go
I removed all HTC widgets and most HTC/sprint apps except for the needed ones people messages music etc. Plus a few I happen to like
Big thanks to Keith and gbhil over at Android central for an amazing Rom to base this off of
Also gotta thank toast maejrep and co. For root
Wipe is most likely needed haven't tried to flash yet without
and yes you will keep root if you flash this if you used toasts method haven't confirmed unrevoked
Changelog:
1.1 now based on rvu 1.3.1 com.HTC.utility no longer fcs
1.0 based of rvu 1.0 all HTC widgets/apps removed except for messages etc....
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6316939/senseless-evo-v1.1.zip
http://www.4shared.com/file/kkuR1-0O/senseless-evo-v10.html
Looks great! I will load this later!
I highly recommend getting adw launcher it'd amazing
Does anyone know where com.HTC.rosieutility is located or what on here could still be causing it to fc on boot it doesn't affect the phone at all its just annoying seeing that every reboot
A couple of questions. Will you still be rooted if you flash this rom? Does it still have the market or 4G problems of other roms.
splicitysplat said:
A couple of questions. Will you still be rooted if you flash this rom? Does it still have the market or 4G problems of other roms.
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Yup you'll still be rooted with toasts method at least never touch the unrevoked root
I have no idea about 4g I would say probably not since I didn't change anything in that regard
I'll get back to u on the market
Aw, darn. I thought this was actually an AOSP ROM. This is basically already what I've done to my stock ROM.
TheBiles said:
Aw, darn. I thought this was actually an AOSP ROM. This is basically already what I've done to my stock ROM.
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you will never get an aosp rom. 2.1 doesn't support wimax or the high video drivers. htc made the updates needed for those.
bcnice20 said:
Soo basically all I did was remove all HTC widgets and most
HTC apps from the newest Rom over on Android central by
Keith Newman so major thanks goes to him
Also gotta thank toast maejrep and co. For root ​
and finally I highly recommend wiping everything before you flash this...
and yes you will keep root if you flash this if you used toasts method haven't confirmed unrevoked​
http://www.4shared.com/file/kkuR1-0O/senseless-evo-v10.html
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no homo but i love you OP. i've been waiting for this.
TheBiles said:
Aw, darn. I thought this was actually an AOSP ROM. This is basically already what I've done to my stock ROM.
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Ya sry about that but to be honest I like the little HTC touches here and there it actually tends to complement vanilla more then you might realize
bcnice20 said:
Ya sry about that but to be honest I like the little HTC touches here and there it actually tends to complement vanilla more then you might realize
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by you saying this, does this mean some htc sense is still in this rom? i have a nexus one and i hate sense altogether, i'm looking for a rom that has no htc sense whatsoever.
p-slim said:
no homo but i love you OP. i've been waiting for this.
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WOW. almost 300 posts and you were WAITING for someone to rm a few apk's and then add one or 2? NO offense to you and i appreciate op just going thru the effort to share and ul, WE should all appreciate any contribution and if you have a problem with it just dont comment or use it. Just dont understand why you wouldnt just take 10 minutes and do it yourself. It takes ops longer cus hes also got wait for it to upload so he can share. This is not a crack and i am not a child. This is just my 2cents and what i thought while reading this comment.
bcnice20 said:
Ya sry about that but to be honest I like the little HTC touches here and there it actually tends to complement vanilla more then you might realize
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Good job. Thanks for the speedy contribution towards our shiny new evo rom collection I remember liking sense and aosp so i like both and i always wanted sense to run right. That was everyones complaint with sense. Well thats not an issue anymore. I thought i would be all on it, like with my hero w/o thinking.....well as soon as i got my evo i forgot all that i learned about root and why to do it....JK but i am very satisfied with it and i will wait until i can access recovery and rw to system from device before i do. I spent the whole time i had my hero trying to make it into a device like this.....well now i have it Gimme a week and i think ill go to work.......
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you will never get an aosp rom. 2.1 doesn't support wimax or the high video drivers. htc made the updates needed for those.
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Those two things I can live without. Some devs said there were going to port an AOSP 2.1 ROM, but they haven't posted updates.
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by you saying this, does this mean some htc sense is still in this rom? i have a nexus one and i hate sense altogether, i'm looking for a rom that has no htc sense whatsoever.
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This is just the stock ROM with Sprint apps, HTC widgets, and the Sense launcher removed. It is still loaded with Sense.
TheBiles said:
Those two things I can live without. Some devs said there were going to port an AOSP 2.1 ROM, but they haven't posted updates.
This is just the stock ROM with Sprint apps, HTC widgets, and the Sense launcher removed. It is still loaded with Sense.
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nevermind, i thought htc sense was fully removed, not just a few apks
MagnusRagnarok said:
WOW. almost 300 posts and you were WAITING for someone to rm a few apk's and then add one or 2? NO offense to you and i appreciate op just going thru the effort to share and ul, WE should all appreciate any contribution and if you have a problem with it just dont comment or use it. Just dont understand why you wouldnt just take 10 minutes and do it yourself. It takes ops longer cus hes also got wait for it to upload so he can share. This is not a crack and i am not a child. This is just my 2cents and what i thought while reading this comment.
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as you can see i thougth sense was removed completely and if you think you can do that by just removing a few apks show me. also even if i had 1000 post, this could be my very 1st android phone and those 1000 posts wouldn't mean a damn thing, just my 2cents, if you don't have anything helpful to say, shut up.
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by you saying this, does this mean some htc sense is still in this rom? i have a nexus one and i hate sense altogether, i'm looking for a rom that has no htc sense whatsoever.
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Until we have fully functional aosp/froyo/2.2 you wont have a rom that will even work without a bunch of sense remnants wasting space on your internal storage and increasing rom size.HTC is a shiny ui htc used to lure in all the apple morons(no offense i used to have an iphone before my hero). and since they made the devices, they're plaguing software/htc sense is an integral part of the ruu they put together. This is the reason everyone always wants a non-sense rom or VANILLA. We will not have full function vanilla until toast or someone else here compiles an0ther makeshift kernel, or lastly when htc releases the source so that we can compile a kernel with the right device drivers, to give us a full function rom. It would be to say the least, very very very hard to just compile the right drivers for the htc device hardware, thus all the aosp/froyo with certain features such as cam, or 4G missing.......hope this helps you und3rstand what you are looking for a little bit more clearly. In theory, YOU or I could create the source code for the kernel and drivers. Is that going to HAPPEN?????????????????? Probably not. Dont worry though, we have toast, so we happen to have a head start in the race.....
MagnusRagnarok said:
Until we have fully functional aosp/froyo/2.2 you wont have a rom that will even work without a bunch of sense remnants wasting space on your internal storage and increasing rom size.HTC is a shiny ui htc used to lure in all the apple morons(no offense i used to have an iphone before my hero). and since they made the devices, they're plaguing software/htc sense is an integral part of the ruu they put together. This is the reason everyone always wants a non-sense rom or VANILLA. We will not have full function vanilla until toast or someone else here compiles an0ther makeshift kernel, or lastly when htc releases the source so that we can compile a kernel with the right device drivers, to give us a full function rom. It would be to say the least, very very very hard to just compile the right drivers for the htc device hardware, thus all the aosp/froyo with certain features such as cam, or 4G missing.......hope this helps you und3rstand what you are looking for a little bit more clearly. In theory, YOU or I could create the source code for the kernel and drivers. Is that going to HAPPEN?????????????????? Probably not. Dont worry though, we have toast, so we happen to have a head start in the race.....
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Could you PLEASE not use that font color? With sugar on top?
Rosies gone and most of the apps that where randomly coming on and wasting mem/batt. Are gone this is all I'm worried and it runs nice as **** I mean has anybody that had something bad to say even try it
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as you can see i thougth sense was removed completely and if you think you can do that by just removing a few apks show me. also even if i had 1000 post, this could be my very 1st android phone and those 1000 posts wouldn't mean a damn thing, just my 2cents, if you don't have anything helpful to say, shut up.
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search my name in xda search youll find PLENTY of inter3sting things ive said. Do your own homework before instulting me or anyone else please.I meant neither of you any disrespect. I was explaining myself a little better and when i put up the 2nd post i saw this. This is an open forum right? well thats my opinion and some info. If you dl'd the rom you would see all the sense remnants yourself, resulting in less thread clutter,simultaneously answering your own question. I was trying to inform you in my second post. And please do not disrespect me by asking me to shut up. I do not disrespect anyone here on xda nor will i ever, and i expect the same treatment in return. I am here to help,learn,and contribute. Sorry you took offense. I guess i just dont ask others for answers that are readily available to myself. I would apologize but you offended me. please do not reply here again, as your response will be ignored by me. apologies to readers for momentary thread jack.......now, back to topic.....
bcnice20 said:
Rosies gone and most of the apps that where randomly coming on and wasting mem/batt. Are gone this is all I'm worried and it runs nice as **** I mean has anybody that had something bad to say even try it
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I noticed what you did when i looked. Just wondering, were you unhappy with your evo when you got it? or did you just make a new rom to give everyone another choice of rom? or maybe even your personal, like i do sometimes? Just curious.....
@ops. I never spoke ill of your work, jic you took it that way, im not that guy. I appreciate any contributions to the community and have spent months of my own time staying up finishing up things ive been working to complete my self in order to ul and share with the community. Needless to say, I KNOW WHERE YOURE COMING FROM. When i can give us a new choice of rom or theme i too will begin work.....
Just saying a lot of people leave them out and I won't flash to something that looks like a warez keygen
People REALLY need to post screen shots of their ROM instead of a blind flash "What will it look like?!"
Your loss.
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I agree with you. Some have screenshots and some don't. Screenshots and Videos would be a very nice addition.
iJemuel said:
I agree with you. Some have screenshots and some don't. Screenshots and Videos would be a very nice addition.
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Ditto. Its too much hassle to restore everything after a flash to flash a ROM and not have any clue what its going to look like. Screenshots at a minimum are necessary. Videos would be great!
The way I see it is this, no one is forcing you to flash a rom onto your phone that the rom makers more or less.made for themselves and.decided to share with.the rest of us.
The devs of these roms are not here to serve you and make your life happy. They share their work as they see fit because they like to make their experience on their phones better.
Maybe you guys should go ahead and make your own rom and do things your way than to expect people to bend over backwards for you.
Of course that's just how I see it and your opinion may vary, but if I were you guys I would be satisfied that people smarter than us are taking time away from their lives to provide us with something that our service providers should have done ages ago.
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Screenshots are pointless...
You shouldn't be flashing for looks. Your flashing for speed, kernel, modem.
Most of these rims are based on two or three leaked rims for the vibrant or 9000. They are all practically the same... and most link to theme addons with screenshots.
There ahouldnt be pics unless it is something so orginal from other roms and cooks.
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you should be able to go on youtube and find someone with a video of using a custom ROM on their phone
DarrellRaines said:
The devs of these roms are not here to serve you and make your life happy. They share their work as they see fit because they like to make their experience on their phones better.
Maybe you guys should go ahead and make your own rom and do things your way than to expect people to bend over backwards for you.
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It's JUST A SCREENSHOT. It's not like I'm asking for the world. Takes 5 minutes or less to drocap a few shots of what the changes are.
I'm not asking them to bendover backwards, I'm asking for 5 more minutes of their time. Cooking is hard, making screen shots is NOT
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It's JUST A SCREENSHOT. It's not like I'm asking for the world. Takes 5 minutes or less to drocap a few shots of what the changes are.
I'm not asking them to bendover backwards, I'm asking for 5 more minutes of their time. Cooking is hard, making screen shots is NOT
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So let them cook while you flash the rom and take screen shots for everyone to see.
I don't think devs do not supply screenshots because they're not capable or don't want to. Most devs create ROMS for performance improvements not necessarily asthetics. I think if you want to customize your phone's apperance there are many ways to do it without having to flash a different ROM.
avs420 said:
It's JUST A SCREENSHOT. It's not like I'm asking for the world. Takes 5 minutes or less to drocap a few shots of what the changes are.
I'm not asking them to bendover backwards, I'm asking for 5 more minutes of their time. Cooking is hard, making screen shots is NOT
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It takes me about 5 minutes to.flash some of newer roms. Install and see what it looks like. If you don't like it, restore.
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It shouldnt be a requirement.... These people are working hard to give you a good rom so they dont really need to upload screenshots for you :S.
its nice if they do but its just more work for them :S. Theyve done enough.
I used to feel the same way but the fact is all the real work is under the hood. Anything that is changed graphically can be modified by the end user. For instance no matter what rom I run I use the same layout with Launcherpro. So right off the bat every rom looks near the same. Afterward I flash custom dark themes if needed. You would never be able to tell what rom I'm running or if I've changed it recently based on my UI because I keep them exactly the same.
So in my case it's not a deal breaker if devs don't post screens but I understand why you may want them.
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I used to feel the same way but the fact is all the real work is under the hood. Anything that is changed graphically can be modified by the end user. For instance no matter what rom I run I use the same layout with Launcherpro. So right off the bat every rom looks near the same. Afterward I flash custom dark themes if needed. You would never be able to tell what rom I'm running or if I've changed it recently based on my UI because I keep them exactly the same.
So in my case it's not a deal breaker if devs don't post screens but I understand why you may want them.
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well said and totally agree
I understand how its mostly supposed to be about the improvements "under the hood." But in some circumstance there are some neat features that can only be interpreted by seeing it. Some people can't just flash in 5 minutes because they have to back up, restore, and get everything nice. Im not saying it has to be necessary, but it should be encouraged. Screenshots could be a very helpful tool, for future "ROM flashers"
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I understand how its mostly supposed to be about the improvements "under the hood." But in some circumstance there are some neat features that can only be interpreted by seeing it. Some people can't just flash in 5 minutes because they have to back up, restore, and get everything nice. Im not saying it has to be necessary, but it should be encouraged. Screenshots could be a very helpful tool, for future "ROM flashers"
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Well once people realize that nandroid for our phones is crap, restoring is the only major thing we must do, and that can be done after you see what the Rom looks like. But this is just my opinion.
DarrellRaines said:
The way I see it is this, no one is forcing you to flash a rom onto your phone that the rom makers more or less.made for themselves and.decided to share with.the rest of us.
The devs of these roms are not here to serve you and make your life happy. They share their work as they see fit because they like to make their experience on their phones better.
Maybe you guys should go ahead and make your own rom and do things your way than to expect people to bend over backwards for you.
Of course that's just how I see it and your opinion may vary, but if I were you guys I would be satisfied that people smarter than us are taking time away from their lives to provide us with something that our service providers should have done ages ago.
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When u flash a rom with no screenshots, please upload them for people who may want to see them before trying. But well, some devs post and some don't.
In some cases, they don't use any specific launchers. In these cases the UI is very much like stock. The underlying differences like in kernel are not obvious in screenshots.
Why post a screen shot of a ROM when you can have 2 people with the same ROM loaded but Person A has a differnet look and layout in the end then person B? These ROMS are not about looks. IMO the DEVS do awesome work and I thank them for the time they put in and the work they do.
Edit: It might only take 5 mins to take a screen shot but that is on top of how ever long it took to build and test the ROM before release.
Krad said:
Screenshots are pointless...
You shouldn't be flashing for looks. Your flashing for speed, kernel, modem.
Most of these rims are based on two or three leaked rims for the vibrant or 9000. They are all practically the same... and most link to theme addons with screenshots.
There ahouldnt be pics unless it is something so orginal from other roms and cooks.
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It's people like you that make people not want to release anything they've made.
Myself included.
I agree with the original poster, I do want to see what battery indicator, what stock homescreen layout and what color scheme is on a ROM at a minimum and I won't take a second look at a ROM with no screens. Sure the underlying reason is about performance but I also want to know that I won't have an hours worth of tweaking just to get the look acceptable because of some junk theme they decided to put in. Of course devs don't owe anyone any screenshots as their work is theirs to do with as they like, but if they really want it to get out there(as posting it with a link requesting donations indicates they probably do) then listening to the community will help them achieve that goal.
Is there a multi-window feature MOD for the asus tf700 . It is a feature in Samsung Galagxy Tab 10.1 and newly implemented in the new update of the JB in galaxy S3. I flashed a MOD in my Galaxy s2 and the feature works just fine . So is there any MOD for this feature in asus tf700 ??
I really need it in my tab.
amqz2010 said:
Is there a multi-window feature MOD for the asus tf700 . It is a feature in Samsung Galagxy Tab 10.1 and newly implemented in the new update of the JB in galaxy S3. I flashed a MOD in my Galaxy s2 and the feature works just fine . So is there any MOD for this feature in asus tf700 ??
I really need it in my tab.
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No, there is not, and there probably will not be. No non-Samsung device has ever been able to do it, so if this is mission critical for you, off to Samsung your dollars go.
MartyHulskemper said:
No, there is not, and there probably will not be. No non-Samsung device has ever been able to do it, so if this is mission critical for you, off to Samsung your dollars go.
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So, what exactly is it that makes this specific to Samsung devices?
danger-rat said:
So, what exactly is it that makes this specific to Samsung devices?
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The framework. There's another thread going on about this already. I'm not going into a fork here.
Also, keep in mind what happened to Overskreen. That makes it higly unlikely that anyone is going to invest the immense time and resources needed until Google's stance on the matters softens.
EDIT_BY_INTERJECTION: forgot to say it's in the CleanROM Inheritance thread, as a feature request. And a no-no.
To specifically answer your question, by the way: I guess Samsung feels large and powerful enough to go against Google. Their partnership might help, I dunno.
It's not a technical thing in itself, as we have developers aboard that could pull this off. Hell, we have devs aboard trumping the engineers of the manufacturers themselves, so that says something. It's politics.
So, maybe a link to the other thread would be a more useful and appropriate response?
From your response, it's still not clear what makes this specific to Samsung devices, since all ROMs I've worked on contain a framework, and it clearly isn't specific to TouchWiz.
I realize that Google has quashed attempts at this in the past, specifically Overskreen, but the fact that there are working options out there could be indicative of a change in philosophy, perhaps?
As far as the CleanROM thread, all I saw was sbdags ask for a link and then you (in typical fashion) insert your option in a less than helpful manner. Humble up. If you don't plan on helping, I don't see why you would take the time to be unpleasant...
I was brought up with the understanding that if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all...
EDIT: one long reply with argumentation you wouldn't understand or accept anyway, I think. Thought the better of it. I'll take your post as a shining example of what a constructive post does not look like, stupid motto and such incorporated.
It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks. You can't use sense widgets on non sense ROMs and you can't use multi screen on non Touchwiz based ROMs.
I'm not even knowledgeable enough (yet) to concur with you (although I thought the same this morning, I'd dare not put that in writing for sheer terror of saying something so stupid I'd be a "Chinese volunteer" for the first no-return mission to Saturn). Thanks for chiming in, though.
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It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks. You can't use sense widgets on non sense ROMs and you can't use multi screen on non Touchwiz based ROMs.
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did...
A few people had Cornerstone running on the Prime earlier in the year, so I didn't think that dual screen was completely impossible, however the odds are stacked up against a daily driver right now...
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did...
A few people had Cornerstone running on the Prime earlier in the year, so I didn't think that dual screen was completely impossible, however the odds are stacked up against a daily driver right now...
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I have seen the concepts of Cornerstone. I would love to see that being imlemented in a ROM for or Infinities. I do use StickIT to be able to watch videos while still using the rest of the screen but a full on Multi Tasking feature would be awsome if possible. I know that the 1 GB RAM limit might hinder it a bit but who knows, mabey sbdags could look into it for a future feature in his CleanROM Inheritance ROM's.
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From your response, it's still not clear what makes this specific to Samsung devices, since all ROMs I've worked on contain a framework, and it clearly isn't specific to TouchWiz.
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It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks.
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did..
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So may I conclude I had a better idea of what the answer was than you? I tell you it's a framework-dependent feature, you say it is "clearly NOT Tochwiz-dependent". Next thing, sbdags tells you TouchWiz is built into the framework, and then you say <chuckle> that you knew that all along, but was just wondering if I knew that. At least I had a good laugh: you twist and turn and twist a bit more. You can throw around your morals all you want, but on the technical side of things, it's either this or that, and there's not that much room to verbally wiggle into being correct. I'd say you have been corrected.
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So may I conclude I had a better idea of what the answer was than you? I tell you it's a framework-dependent feature, you say it is "clearly NOT Tochwiz-dependent". Next thing, sbdags tells you TouchWiz is built into the framework, and then you say <chuckle> that you knew that all along, but was just wondering if I knew that. At least I had a good laugh: you twist and turn and twist a bit more. You can throw around your morals all you want, but on the technical side of things, it's either this or that, and there's not that much room to verbally wiggle into being correct. I'd say you have been corrected.
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Wow... almost don't want to add anything to this flaming thread, but am also a user who is looking for some way to do this stuff on the tf700. Here is a thread that explains most of what the "framework" is and what it does. It is worth mentioning that things in android are already built for multiwindow interfaces but the options for the support are not turned on and some of the functionality is broken. The biggest hangup for this working is the app programmers, who have to make their apps compatible. Since google does not want to police what apps are and are not supporting the feature, they just blanket deny the ability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937270
or this for all apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961813
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Wow... almost don't want to add anything to this flaming thread, but am also a user who is looking for some way to do this stuff on the tf700. Here is a thread that explains most of what the "framework" is and what it does. It is worth mentioning that things in android are already built for multiwindow interfaces but the options for the support are not turned on and some of the functionality is broken. The biggest hangup for this working is the app programmers, who have to make their apps compatible. Since google does not want to police what apps are and are not supporting the feature, they just blanket deny the ability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937270
or this for all apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961813
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actually I am not sure if it has to do with the app programmers because on my note 2, with jedi x9 rom all apps do work on multiwindow. So all apps by default just resize. for me it is a matter of time before it becomes standard in some sort on the base google code since it is already there not just implemented on anything other than touchwiz. we can already see a bit with paranandroid stuff and the resizing between tablet and phone screen sizes. some apps (cant remember well) already do the floating. .. so guys patience or has someone said treat uncle sammy for the score and get one of those galactic phones. the thing I would want programmer to focus on is multiwindow and multi monitors outputs with my hdmi output on my tf700 or the airplay android equivalent around the corner.
I'm not smart enough to do it myself.. however, I am still amazed that no one has been able to work out how to convert an i9505 into a i9505G. I know the partition layout is different, and I also know that there are ported 4.3 GE roms available.. BUT all of that aside.. has Samsung won the war here?
Which leads me to a separate subject.. but.. their knox efuse.. while it hasn't been long.. it looks like they have won there as well.
In any case.. I'm more interested in the conversion to i9505G. Does anyone know more than I do about the status or possibility of ever being able to convert a i9505 to a i9505G?
Well.. This is not as easy as you may think.
Need someone who has both I9505 and I9505G. Also need special connection to I9505 like JTAG to get direct access to flash. Then using JTAG try to dump whole flash from I9505G and upload it to I9505. And then depend on success and whole result, procedure can be simplified.
But JTAG is required at experiment stage if you are not so rich who can afford to buy tens (if not hundred) I9505 while experimenting
A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
Samsung secured the bootloader very agressively .
Aerys said:
A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
Samsung secured the bootloader very agressively .
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That's why i've mentioned JTAG. Google JTAG if you wanna know what is that.
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A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
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People said a reset of the flash counter was not possible.. @Chainfire was able to take care of that just fine..
I doubt it's impossible.. but I wonder how many people have even tried, or if there are even more than a handful of people with the skills needed to make this happen.
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People said a reset of the flash counter was not possible.. @Chainfire was able to take care of that just fine..
I doubt it's impossible.. but I wonder how many people have even tried, or if there are even more than a handful of people with the skills needed to make this happen.
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I tried everything except for jtag + bootloader exploit. Even hardbricked my S4 1 time.
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I tried everything except for jtag + bootloader exploit. Even hardbricked my S4 1 time.
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Thats very sad to hear, would this mean we will never have a full ported/working edition of google on our phones? shall I sell my phone and move to a nexus? or simply buy the original i9505G?
Noorish said:
Thats very sad to hear, would this mean we will never have a full ported/working edition of google on our phones? shall I sell my phone and move to a nexus? or simply buy the original i9505G?
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I sold my AT&T SGH-I337 GS4 and got an I-9505G. Best decision I ever made.
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I sold my AT&T SGH-I337 GS4 and got an I-9505G. Best decision I ever made.
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Why? Now you cant ever run TW roms now... But on the SGH 1337 you can run both roms
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Why? Now you cant ever run TW roms now... But on the SGH 1337 you can run both roms
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I couldn't care less about running ROMs. I unlocked the bootloader but otherwise I leave my devices stock and unrooted. I know how to root and install ROMs but once I knew how, my curiosity was satisfied.
Honestly, I have had Nexus devices my entire Android life. I decided to branch out and try a GS4 with Touchwiz. I really liked my I337, so much in fact, that I also ended up purchasing a Galaxy Note 8.0 as well. There are definitely things in Touchwiz that I'd love to see Google add to the stock user experience. I'm referring to things like air view and having separate wallpapers for the home and lock screens. Alas, though, when you've used stock Android as much as I have, it's hard to use anything else.
The only thing I truly miss about Touchwiz is the camera app. The camera was simply amazing. The other things that are important to me, namely the IR blaster and the S-View cover functionality, both work flawlessly on the I9505G.
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What i dislike most in stock Android is halo theme. It's really ugly. Micro check-boxes. Ugly seek-bars. Alert dialogs are too flat and sketchy. Halo theme looks more like concept than theme for daily usage.
TouchWiz theme was odd originally in time of SGS2, but it was getting better and better. On SGS4 it's nearly perfect. May be some elements like ViewPager and title bar need to reworks somehow. But overall it's way better theme than Halo. Also, there are many useful addons in TW ROM like quick settings panel, nice looking lock screen with quick launch shortcuts on the bottom, and other small tweaks making TW ROM much more useful than naked Android. And it's easier to remove unneeded apps/services/tweaks from TW ROM than add them into naked Android.
I would think about I9505G over I9505 only as device with bigger user storage running custom TW ROM, but it looks like not much success here.
From other side, you can buy 32GB version of I9505 and don't think about 16GB-only I9505G.
But hey, there are SHV-E330 and GT-I9506 already
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What i dislike most in stock Android is halo theme. It's really ugly. Micro check-boxes. Ugly seek-bars. Alert dialogs are too flat and sketchy. Halo theme looks more like concept than theme for daily usage.
TouchWiz theme was odd originally in time of SGS2, but it was getting better and better. On SGS4 it's nearly perfect. May be some elements like ViewPager and title bar need to reworks somehow. But overall it's way better theme than Halo. Also, there are many useful addons in TW ROM like quick settings panel, nice looking lock screen with quick launch shortcuts on the bottom, and other small tweaks making TW ROM much more useful than naked Android.
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You mean Holo I believe. That's why I use stock Android. TW with its different colors, big buttons that are not even separated from others and mixed styles in applications is really crazy and a pain to use. For people that like to use a phone without distractions it's a plain and simple fail.
Nice to have options as we're all not the same, you keep your TW phone, I will keep my stock Android one.
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And it's easier to remove unneeded apps/services/tweaks from TW ROM than add them into naked Android.
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I was taking you seriously until I read this. You think that removing system applications is easier than going to Google Play and download one? Yeah, sure!
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I was taking you seriously until I read this. You think that removing system applications is easier than going to Google Play and download one? Yeah, sure!
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Yeah.. It looks like your are really serious talking about replace TW features by 3rd party apps
Which app can replace lockscreen? None. It's impossible by android design. Only can mask some app as lockscreen which is completely different.
Having quick settings panel in on-going notification area? Phh..
If you think, it's not serious, then hold on and think first. May be other person, who is talking about this, knows something you don't know.
I'm not even talking about how serious people who are buying non-Nexus device and then whining about CM/AOSP in half of topics.
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Yeah.. It looks like your are really serious talking about replace TW features by 3rd party apps
Which app can replace lockscreen? None. It's impossible by android design. Only can mask some app as lockscreen which is completely different.
Having quick settings panel in on-going notification area? Phh..
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You're considering rooting a device to freeze/remove system applications. I was talking about simply adding applications to a stock Android from Google Play. I fail to see the former being easier.
And here the "impossible":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
In any case what you might consider essential I might consider a waste of resources.
That was the point of my post. That's why Android is a success.
And if you don't like to read people talking about changing non-Google devices you might be better off XDA.
XDA Developers was founded for developers by developers. It is now a valuable resource for people who want to make the most of their mobile devices, from customizing the look and feel to adding new functionality.
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You're considering rooting a device to freeze/remove system applications. I was talking about simply adding applications to a stock Android from Google Play. I fail to see the former being easier.
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If you are able to create custom ROM then removing unneeded apps (and even editing framework to cleanup from some useless features) is much easier than add absent functionality.
I suppose, we are on XDA, i.e. developer's forum right? If you are talking from regular user point of view who usually don't know what is "root", then it's out of scope of this board. Just buy Nexus device and then you are set.
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And here the "impossible":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
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I've told you already: there is no way to truly replace lockscreen by any other application. Lockscreen is a part of framework, not APK. I'm using android devices not the first year, and believe me, i've tried these apps long long time ago. These apps mimic lockscreen using some security holes in OS, but they are not replacing lockscreen. Actually, device remains unlocked all the time. Also there are many bugs and glitches because such apps trying to suppress original lockscreen with different kinds of success/fail.
As for modifying device: there are many ways to modify and it's not exactly by installing CM/AOSP. You can check my topics to see that i'm not just user.
XDA has been created long time before CM/AOSP and believe me there are many other good ways to modify the device. CM/AOSP have their own dedicated forums and repositories which should suit your needs better than XDA (if you want to compete in pointing directions to others).
P.S.: look into I9505G forum to see how users begging to add samsung's standard camera app which doesn't work on non-TW ROM.
Suggest them to install some app from Google play
The same can tell about video player and amount of video and audio codecs integrated into TW ROM. On TW ROM i can use nearly any music player and able to playback almost any audio and video. On GE ROM you have to find special audio player having support of some specific format, and then try to get used to its bugs without choice to switch to another player. With video player it's even worse...
Also, CM/AOSP usually don't have tight integration when it comes to Hardware 3D acceleration. Some selected devices (usually Nexus and GE devices) have good 3D support, but only some.
The truth is: Some people wanna to install CM/AOSP and then they realize they miss many useful (usually not noticeable when it presents) features. That's why custom TW ROMs are present and have a lot or users.
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The truth is: Some people wanna to install CM/AOSP and then they realize they miss many useful (usually not noticeable when it presents) features. That's why custom TW ROMs are present and have a lot or users.
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I never denied that TW based ROMs have value for some people, just that as well stock Android is much more attractive for others. If not we wouldn't be discussing this and you wouldn't see the kind of activity we see in this forum.
And I still disagree on the "easier" issue but I fail to see any benefit in continuing the discussion.
got a weird question... where's the am/pm display on the 12 hour clock for the i9505G rom that i installed? hmm...
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got a weird question... where's the am/pm display on the 12 hour clock for the i9505G rom that i installed? hmm...
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Look at the window?
So this really isn't going anywhere?
HTC One has just been fully converted into the GPe.
I was really hoping there was some kind of solution for this conversion
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work guys!
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andreqm said:
So this really isn't going anywhere?
HTC One has just been fully converted into the GPe.
I was really hoping there was some kind of solution for this conversion
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work guys!
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Why would you need to ? You have CM/TW/GE to choose from when using the i9505 partition layout. Took us a couple of hours to get KitKat after the GE got it (broodplank delivered AOSP 4.4 even earlier).