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[REQUEST] Port LG O2X TouchWiz to the G2x

I'm just wandering why the O2X firmware hasn't been kanged to run on the G2X. I would like to try the proprietary LG interface on my G2x,would anyone else? I guess im just curious. Is it lack of interest or a technical issue that keep devs from trying this?

Just lack of interest I'd say. All it needs is g2x ril I think and removal of possible brick inducing things (e.g baseband). Also lack of gb.

You can install the LG and Samsung Launchers as separate APK's. The thread is in this forum from a few months ago.
The MAIN thread is in the General Android thread I think, which a link to all the different launchers like Sony Eperia and others.

i really want to try an O2x rom too but unfortunantly we dont have devs that do -_-

I also want the O2X rom for the G2X
where can i find the O2X launcher anyways?

Now that I know its not GB ive lost interest

I'm not necessarily a "developer", but I'm willing to try creating an O2x ROM when I get some free time. I'm joining the Marines next summer, and I've been going to the gym a lot lately.

was thinking about this the other day, it would be nice to see it, they have little things that differ that we didn't get. little UI things, keyboard, music player, widgets... I think it'd be nice to play with.

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Someone should really port it, idk if they got gingerbread on the o2x but even the froyo rom would be good for me i just want the o2x rom for the g2x and im pretty sure its not hard at all if i knew how to port roms i wouldve definetly ported it by now but i dont so hopefully one of the amazing devs can do it

I'm almost positive WhiteHawkx could do it cause he ports the O2X MIUI to the g2x, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to do but I know I couldn't... I can root and properly flash things thats it, lol.

i say lets do it cuz the LG O2x has some good roms and i would love to see it on my phone for a good change from stock
too bad i cant help but i wish there could be a group or something that could work on it

I know im late and i am not a professional developer but i have all the necessary files to create an o2x rom for the g2x rom. i already started the process of editing cm7 and its going very well. it might be finished very soon. Well, its sort of the o2x rom but not exactly. i need to edit a few things to make the theme auto applied on the first boot of the rom then i might be done and i am also editing the apps that the other developers have ported for us. i am editing them to make them faster and smoother and killing all the bugs that i can.
This is one of my thread it has the main things to make ur g2x to look like o2x and these apps were by other people but i am editing them- http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/cm7-hdpi-mdpi-make-cm7-phone-look-lg-t3369043 the launcher of it has bugs so i will edit it to make that launcher work perfectly. the launcher keeps force closing whenever u put a widget on the home screen. but that will be fixed when i release the rom. :good:

Thinking about getting this phone, but dev section seems dead why?

I was thinking about selling my Vibrant and buying a G2x, but the dev section seems to be pretty dead. Any reason why wasnt this CMs personal phone at one time?

I think part of it is LG's quick memory regarding it. Quick as in quick to forget it, and Nvidia won't release driver source so devs are forced to reuse the 2.3.3 release in order to get 100% functionality.

mindstormmaster1 said:
I was thinking about selling my Vibrant and buying a G2x, but the dev section seems to be pretty dead. Any reason why wasnt this CMs personal phone at one time?
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Some devs don't post updates on xda. Some of them give updatea via twitter or other sites. But it's not dead.
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Does anyone know if they will ever release new drivers? So basically until they do which is most likely never this phone has been as updated as possible? I noticed CM7 is still updating which means 2.3.6 so is there much chance of ICS? Finally who are some good people to follow on twitter for good roms? Thanks a ton guys!

due to overall problems
I believe there were many more developers that planned on developing for the g2x and bought the device to do so as i did.
But with so may problems at the start i just didnt want to even attempt to rom for this device and be blamed when the phone self destructed. after much tampering it is running pretty well but i just dont trust the phone and im sure there are some others that didnt work on the G2X for the same reason. There are some very good options out there and talented people that are working on the G2x. so dont be afraid due to low quanity because there is some high quality work done.
Not sure it will grow much since its been obvious that tmobile and lg's fix for the phone is to shutup until it goes away. But the roms have the phone running pretty well and you wont be disapointed, But i would wait until oct 12th and get the hercules(even without the samsung chip) will be a killer phone or the HTC coming out the same day with similar specs.

This phone works fabulously with CyanogenMod, EXCEPT that bluetooth audio (to a wireless headset or whatever) doesn't work.
Other than that, EVEYRYTHING works. Love this phone.

Well that's disappointing to hear that I probably will never see ICS running on this device. It's a very capable device and the fact that LG refuses to update makes me want to put them in the same category as Viewsonic (unfortunately I also bought the g-tablet).

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barqers said:
Well that's disappointing to hear that I probably will never see ICS running on this device. It's a very capable device and the fact that LG refuses to update makes me want to put them in the same category as Viewsonic (unfortunately I also bought the g-tablet).
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will be the best hope to get icecream running. if they do so than other rommers will also follow suite. but cm leads the way on drivers and such for most roms. so if they dont do it ussually noone does. But i wouldnt expect to see anything from LG, they have not shown anything in the way of skill or care to put out updates for their devices.

Because there ate stable ROMs out there and you can only do so much. Other lively dev sections ate deceiving - 20 variations of the stock ROM with different wallpapers and start up screens does not mean a lot of development for the phone.
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I've been running cm7 for about a month now and I'm really happy with it. Every other rom I try have issues and I always come back to cm7. It makes the g2x a very good phone IMO

There are plenty of devs to follow just some took some time off to dev for other devices ... I follow fitsnugly because he does some great compiling with his roms ... Morfic has some awesome kernals and faux123 has his aosp rom and awesome kernals... doniqq has his eaglesblood roms ... whitehawkx has weapon rom... so there's plenty ... I'm a crackflasher so I'm always running something different .... I felt the same way ..Was thinking of jumping ship to a different phone but I just live this phone... Just look around the forum.. there's always somthing ...

One of the basic things I had to decide on was whether I wanted the LG camera app with an OTA based rom or all the fancy-ness of a CM7 based rom. Now I'm at the point where I just group OTA or CM7 and go from there.

kuhla said:
One of the basic things I had to decide on was whether I wanted the LG camera app with an OTA based rom or all the fancy-ness of a CM7 based rom. Now I'm at the point where I just group OTA or CM7 and go from there.
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I know what you mean... I use my camera often... Work and personal use and at one point was running cm7 and was comparing the different can apps from the market ... My wife thought I was going nuts , I was sitting in my living room taking pics for like an hour and a half and comparing pics... There are some pretty good free camera apps that I've used with cm7.. vignette is pretty good...

swuln said:
I know what you mean... I use my camera often... Work and personal use and at one point was running cm7 and was comparing the different can apps from the market ... My wife thought I was going nuts , I was sitting in my living room taking pics for like an hour and a half and comparing pics... There are some pretty good free camera apps that I've used with cm7.. vignette is pretty good...
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Yup. Work and personal for me too. I tried a few market apps but I just couldn't find something that I was happy with. It was kind of a deal breaker for me considering I really wanted to stick to CM7 for the ridiculous theme/customization options out there.

Swift Star is out, another new ROM. Several out there to try. I prefer those based on 2.3.3 OTA

sambodie said:
Swift Star is out, another new ROM. Several out there to try. I prefer those based on 2.3.3 OTA
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I was running this rom up until 5 minutes ago... I just reflashed fitsnuglys 9/27 kang... Dont get me wrong the 2.3.3 roms are great... There's just something about the cm7 and the kangs that I like... There's always something new added to them and for me they seem to make my phone run better ... Sure there's no LG camera but there's plenty of camera market apps..

Yeah, I see updates for ROMs pretty often, every 5-10days, that's a good release period, and if you want to use a ROM that is constantly being developed just run CM7, a lot of people say it's not good with battery but if you flash one of morfics kernels you will have great battery life. Some people run into issues with it but if you wipe everything you should be fine. Faux's AOSP Rom+Kernel run great together also.

While development might have slowed down a bit for this phone, there's still plenty of excellent devs and roms to choose from. I have always preferred faux's aosp rom/kernel combo for my daily stable/very reliable/great performing/battery life.
Now if you want to see no development look no further then the mytouch4g slide thread. That's just sad cuz even the og mt4g has tons of devs working on it and its still a great phone.
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What would you all like to see in the next rom?

So at the moment I am currently working on developing a "bare bones" stock rom and modifying it as much as possible with scripts and such.
But what I would like to know from you all is what would you all like to see in the next rom?
Cyanogenmod?
More themes?
Faster?
Battery life?
Cool features?
I think it'd be good to hear you all thoughts & input.
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Cm6 or 7 and cooler apps to use and batter theams
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CM6 an CM7 have both been asked for in the past sadly i think the only way to get it is to mail one of the cyanogen developers a SK4g since it seams none of them have one to even begin making it avail on our phones by making the drivers an kernals from complete scratch like they have with devices like the nook. CM6 i don't know understand fully why we can't get because it is froyo based so the thing would be making a kernal (with out drivers in it from how much i understand building a android kernal). Then when creating the rom an figuring how to make it function more correctly with our odd frame work build. Honestly with themes if you got CM7 working that problem would be more or less taken out with the gingerbread theme engine they use in their roms which makes it a hell of alot easier to change how your phone looks.
Now to the people saying we need a kernal for gingerbread i understand that but then i do look at my nook color an I've tesed a ICS alpha build an have to say "um...... if a kernal is so godly important then how did they make one to run ics on a device that should never be able to run it that has bluetooth drives that were hand made because B&N never intended the device to have bluetooth an they had to hand make alot of other drivers just for the nook color. Anyways I'm getting a spare android phone in the next 10 days (xperia x10 mini) which is even capable of running gingerbread..... and has a alpha ics build.... am i missing something here?..

the kernel is what provides all of the drivers for the phone's hardware. The reason that it is difficult to build an updated kernel for the sidekick is because it uses hardware that isn't found in any other phones, and the drivers are only designed for the 2.6.32 kernel, rather than the 2.6.35 kernel required for GB/ICS.
The reason that ICS alpha builds are being released for the nook color and the xperia are because the CM devs put in the work to get the CM kernel working correctly. The CM kernel is designed in such a way that it can be updated quite easily with little breaking of drivers, but typically requires a large amount of rewriting drivers.
Basically, the reason that it came so fast to the nook color and the xperia is that the CM devs actually wanted those devices, so they bought them, and ported CM to them.
The fact is that the CM devs don't want anything to do with the Sidekick, and won't do anything with it short of someone handing them a free phone to work on.

sduvick said:
The fact is that the CM devs don't want anything to do with the Sidekick, and won't do anything with it short of someone handing them a free phone to work on.
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is there any particular reason they don't want anything to do with the sidekick?
also, i assume we haven't tried collecting a glob of money to buy an sk4g off ebay or something... have we? seems like it'd be worth it...

I'm not 100% sure why, as I'm not one of them, but I'm guessing that it's because the sidekick is perceived as a teen/feature phone. Typically the support for Samsung phones is limited, and the amount of customization from Samsung on this phone compared to previous phones would require even more work out of them.

Basically in order to get CM7/CM6 it would require the CM dev team 2 things:
1: Interest/Willing-ness to work on the phone
2: A Free SK4G to work on lol
I like the idea of the community all pitching in on buying the CM dev team the SK4G just so that they can begin to work on CM for our phone. CM would open up so many doors for new roms and ports

If it wasn't for the some slight disconfort in giving away my SK4g I'd mail it to a CM dev for them to go crazy with it.... after sending it to someone that can make the sidekick unbreakable modded >.> I'm getting the xperia X10 mini pro cause I can find them for cheap (got mine for 125 after shipping) an it has a hardware keyboard. I'll gladly pitch in money for one of the CM devs to get a sidekick though if they are interested.

it'd be nice to get a feel for the likelihood of the cm devs porting cm to sk4g if they had a phone. that way we can get more concrete on whether we should raise funds for a phone to send to them. i tweeted cyanogen to ask, but got no response. maybe someone else can get to him or other cm devs?

i did posted in the cm forums someone in the xda forums made a bounty request?

and did any dev respond?

stock GB or ICS(cm7/9 would be fine too), better battery life (the current crop of roms are terrible), stripped down lite version would be nice too( no preinstalled apps just bare min)

No one replied
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wuziq said:
is there any particular reason they don't want anything to do with the sidekick?
also, i assume we haven't tried collecting a glob of money to buy an sk4g off ebay or something... have we? seems like it'd be worth it...
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I think that none of the cm team want anything to do with the sk4g is that cyanogen himself didn't like the sk4g. So in result his cm team of followers didn't want anything to do with it. They would be embarrased to be caught with one. For some one that has worked on many diffrent phones like them, it shouldn't be hard to rewrite a kernel.
Think about it, they get cm on almost any new phone that comes out? Don't you think that every phone that comes out have diffrent drivers? Someone has to backwards engineer a driver to get a kernel out that's compatible with cm "roms". Its just a matter of having a member that knows how to code, cm isn't the only person in the world that know how to.
But then again this is just my opinion...

insanedrunk said:
I think that none of the cm team want anything to do with the sk4g is that cyanogen himself didn't like the sk4g. So in result his cm team of followers didn't want anything to do with it. They would be embarrased to be caught with one. For some one that has worked on many diffrent phones like them, it shouldn't be hard to rewrite a kernel.
Think about it, they get cm on almost any new phone that comes out? Don't you think that every phone that comes out have diffrent drivers? Someone has to backwards engineer a driver to get a kernel out that's compatible with cm "roms". Its just a matter of having a member that knows how to code, cm isn't the only person in the world that know how to.
But then again this is just my opinion...
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so pretty much we got swcred because of cm dislikement of the phone and his groupies don't want to get kicked out of their team so they don't do anything about it? WOW talk about tyrany

xtrem88 said:
so pretty much we got swcred because of cm dislikement of the phone and his groupies don't want to get kicked out of their team so they don't do anything about it? WOW talk about tyrany
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Yuup, even if it sounds rediculous, seems that way.

insanedrunk said:
I think that none of the cm team want anything to do with the sk4g is that cyanogen himself didn't like the sk4g. So in result his cm team of followers didn't want anything to do with it. They would be embarrased to be caught with one. For some one that has worked on many diffrent phones like them, it shouldn't be hard to rewrite a kernel.
Think about it, they get cm on almost any new phone that comes out? Don't you think that every phone that comes out have diffrent drivers? Someone has to backwards engineer a driver to get a kernel out that's compatible with cm "roms". Its just a matter of having a member that knows how to code, cm isn't the only person in the world that know how to.
But then again this is just my opinion...
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did cyanogen actually say somewhere that he didn't like the sk4g?
even if he did, why would he poopoo on another dev that ported cm to it? he'd want cm to be on as many phones as possible. "how dare someone do work that i didn't really want to do?" no. he's not some evil overlord with a bunch of peon devs who back off whenever he gives a stern look.. because.. OSS projects don't work like that?
also, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but they're not rewriting kernels. they'd have to update sk4g drivers for the cm kernel.

wuziq said:
did cyanogen actually say somewhere that he didn't like the sk4g?
even if he did, why would he poopoo on another dev that ported cm to it? he'd want cm to be on as many phones as possible. "how dare someone do work that i didn't really want to do?" no. he's not some evil overlord with a bunch of peon devs who back off whenever he gives a stern look.. because.. OSS projects don't work like that?
also, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but they're not rewriting kernels. they'd have to update sk4g drivers for the cm kernel.
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i know that they dont like EVERY phone that CM is on but they still "port" CM to as many phones as possible because that is their goal
i think that it could either be due to lack of interest or lack of not having the SK4G

wuziq said:
did cyanogen actually say somewhere that he didn't like the sk4g?
even if he did, why would he poopoo on another dev that ported cm to it? he'd want cm to be on as many phones as possible. "how dare someone do work that i didn't really want to do?" no. he's not some evil overlord with a bunch of peon devs who back off whenever he gives a stern look.. because.. OSS projects don't work like that?
also, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but they're not rewriting kernels. they'd have to update sk4g drivers for the cm kernel.
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I don't have the exact quotes, but they (the usual cm members) were reviewing the sk4g cm said he didn't like the fact that samsung made it, from there evry one weighed in on it..... source: it was on twitter. @koush @cyanogen and others, plus the retweet crap..

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I don't have the exact quotes, but they (the usual cm members) were reviewing the sk4g cm said he didn't like the fact that samsung made it, from there evry one weighed in on it..... source: it was on twitter. @koush @cyanogen and others, plus the retweet crap..
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so b/c samsung made the sk4g and other galaxy s phones they won't port CM to the phones?
i think if we get enough community support by having a lot of us post on cyanogen's twitter and on their forums about it we could get possibly get them to port it

[Q] New ICS Rom Face Unlock

I just installed the Newest Xoom Zone Rom with functioning Camera and HDMI, and I love it. I was going to post this in the Dev forum for the Rom, but because I'm a noob it won't let me. Is there any way to port the Face Lock from the Nexus to a Xoom. I tried the simple, copy .apk to the system install of the zip before I flashed it, and it crashes when I go to set it up. Face Lock appears under the security heading, but it doesn't function. I like this feature on my Nexus, and I think it would work great on a tablet. Is there a way to make this function on the Xoom, or will we have to hope Google releases a way to build it?

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I just installed the Newest Xoom Zone Rom with functioning Camera and HDMI, and I love it. I was going to post this in the Dev forum for the Rom, but because I'm a noob it won't let me. Is there any way to port the Face Lock from the Nexus to a Xoom. I tried the simple, copy .apk to the system install of the zip before I flashed it, and it crashes when I go to set it up. Face Lock appears under the security heading, but it doesn't function. I like this feature on my Nexus, and I think it would work great on a tablet. Is there a way to make this function on the Xoom, or will we have to hope Google releases a way to build it?
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It would be great to have it in deed! But if i were you i should post it into antother section.

Functionality like this will come in time.. We have really only had ics for 30 or so days and alot of devs are working hard on core functions and ensuring it is stable, we only got cam and hdmi in the last few days... Also other devs not associated with the builds may be able to come up with a solution but it may require libs or other files as u have seen just an apk drop wont cut it.. Or the apk itself may need porting for tablets or the xoom specifically, personally i dont know i wish i did. i do think though face unlock will come soon as alot of people are like yourself and want it... i would like it myself
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joshndroid said:
Functionality like this will come in time.. We have really only had ics for 30 or so days and alot of devs are working hard on core functions and ensuring it is stable, we only got cam and hdmi in the last few days... Also other devs not associated with the builds may be able to come up with a solution but it may require libs or other files as u have seen just an apk drop wont cut it.. Or the apk itself may need porting for tablets or the xoom specifically, personally i dont know i wish i did. i do think though face unlock will come soon as alot of people are like yourself and want it... i would like it myself
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I wasn't trying to *****, believe me I'm so impressed with the Dev support of this thing. I don't really know a lot about programming or any of that stuffs, and I wasn't sure if anyone had any insight to offer in getting this to work. It seems like the only way that is happening is by testing apart the APK and there is NO way I'm smart enough to do that. I was surprised when I saw the camera support already. Im just really hoping there is a way for this to work eventually, it seems like this is more suited to a tablet than a phone, and hopefully we get this working eventually.

All of these ICS ROMS have the same problems....

CONSIDER THIS THREAD CLOSED
Let me first be clear: I think it's awesome that a phone like the MyTouch 4g was released at a 2.2 phone and has ended up being upgraded to 4.0.4. Let me also take the time to thank the developers involved in this effort. It's hard work and sometimes it sucks to be a dev, and I thank you.
That being said, there are something like 10 ICS ROMS in the development section right now with any combination of
Sense 4
Stock ICS
MIUI
Themed variations
and what do they all have in common? The camera doesn't work properly, the bluetooth is sketchy, and the whole thing is a little crashy in the soft-reboot sense of the word.
My question is this: Why are we releasing so many variations of the same problem when the first one didn't work correctly anyway?
Especially ...Awesome... . I think it's awesome that you want to release like 5 different ICS ROMS, but what does one bring to the table that the other one doesn't? If I'm totally off base here, let me know, but this is what I see from a ROM flasher prospective.
Anyway, end rant and I'm sorry if I offended anybody.

jbdubbs said:
Let me first be clear: I think it's awesome that a phone like the MyTouch 4g was released at a 2.2 phone and has ended up being upgraded to 4.0.4. Let me also take the time to thank the developers involved in this effort. It's hard work and sometimes it sucks to be a dev, and I thank you.
That being said, there are something like 10 ICS ROMS in the development section right now with any combination of
Sense 4
Stock ICS
MIUI
Themed variations
and what do they all have in common? The camera doesn't work properly, the bluetooth is sketchy, and the whole thing is a little crashy in the soft-reboot sense of the word.
My question is this: Why are we releasing so many variations of the same problem when the first one didn't work correctly anyway?
Especially ...Awesome... . I think it's awesome that you want to release like 5 different ICS ROMS, but what does one bring to the table that the other one doesn't? If I'm totally off base here, let me know, but this is what I see from a ROM flasher prospective.
Anyway, end rant and I'm sorry if I offended anybody.
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I realized this too, but hey, they can do whatever they want.
I mean I know why they aren't completely functional and stable, but I'm confused as to why we've became so obsessed with ICS that we have 50 different ICS ROMs and pretty much all of them are the same just with different settings or whatever. That's why I've been on GB sense for like the past week or two.
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Things in common
As stated-many roms share problems. As a lover of mt4g anything that keeps my phone alive is progress. Sure ics has camera and some other isssues,but as we all should know and have all been told"this is a work in progress". Many folks = many efforts= different outcomes. Not all ics have reboots,not all have "the camera problem" most do but work arounds exist is some cases. We can always go back to gb. Remember when some gb had camera problems? In time all gets worked out. Besides no arm twisting is done to make us use a rom,it's a matter of personal choice. Am content to wait till camera fix is out but will continue to use ics. Thanks to all the fellas who work for free and express their individuality with the work produced. "drive on"

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That's why I've been on GB sense for like the past week or two.
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Yes. This is me too.
--sent from my glacier.

trofmoc said:
Not all ics have reboots,not all have "the camera problem" most do but work arounds exist is some cases.
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Actually, every ICS ROM in the development forum has the camera problem. The "camera problem" being the total lack of video capture unless you use a third party program and capture in VGA resolution at less than 10 fps. As far as I'm concerned, that means the video camera doesn't work, and there isn't a ROM that's worked around this.
Also, so far I've used at least five different ICS ROMS and all of them seem to have soft reboot problems of some sort. Some worse than others, but its there. Usually having to do with the browser or programs that use the stock browser.

Since a camera don't mean anything to me...I am using sense 4 hybrid, which is suprisingly very stable, minus the camera of course. But my wife on the other hand, has to have a camera, so I put sense 3.5 on hers, which is basically perfect in functionality.
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I literally just flashed that Sense 4 Hybrid, and it about blew my ear off with the music on the boot screen.........

lack of a kernel prevents certain hardware from working correctly
however, i do agree that there are WAY too many SIMILAR roms (and some from the same dev, too). itd be nice to try to put all your resources on one AOSP, one AOKP/CM9, and one ICS-Sense.. teamwork! community! linux!
to each thier own, i guess. lets appreciate all the ROMs.. because if we didnt have any devs still working here wed be a lot more annoyed

On the bright side, as fixes are found/created the existing ROMs can be patched and you'll have more functioning ROMs to choose from. Also, these guys went from ports to compiling and then they started modding framework-res.apk's and SystemUI.apk's for theming. Essentially, if they hadn't done all this work their knowledge would not have progressed like it has. Now they will be able to use those skills to continue to benefit the whole community if they choose.

Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Way to go fellas...say goodbye to Awesome. Anyway, do yo guys read the ICS OPs? Here is a nice quote that explains stuff. Bit seriously. Be thankful for ICS....posts like these make us feel unappreciated.
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FAQ - THE BIG PICTURE​
What is ICS?
ICS is Ice Cream Sandwich - Google's latest version of Android.
- Some of the very latest phones on the market already have it installed. e.g HTC One series
- Some slightly older phones will eventually be 'upgraded' to ICS e.g Desire HD, but this may be a number of months away, and promised 'upgrades' have sometimes never been delivered at all.
- If / when it does arrive for Desire HD it may not happen for everybody at the same time, sometimes it's carrier by carrier, and finally 'retail' (non carrier branded) handsets that get the upgrade last!
- If / when it does arrive, it will be overlayed with HTC's Sense (some like it, some don't)
- In the meantime, folks are working on getting ICS on your Desire HD BEFORE it's officially released for the phone, with and without Sense (giving you a choice)
So why don't some features work?
Well, the ICS being used on Desire HD is 'taken' from officially released ICS phones like the HTC One range, or 'leaked' ROMS from similar phones.
However, those phones have slightly different hardware and features than the Desire HD - so they aren't exactly the same. This means that parts of the software have to be 'ported' to work on the Desire HD.
OK, so why is porting so difficult?
The Android O/S is 'open source' meaning that anybody can see the actual source code for themselves, and see how it all works. They can modify it and adapt it to suit their needs (good).
Phone manufacturers USE Android in their phones, but they don't have to make all their own 'extra' software open source too. They like to protect their software by keeping it secret (not so good). There are many reasons why they do this, both good and bad, but it makes porting difficult.
When developers don't have access to the source code for parts of a phone, they have to write their own!... this means they have to have highly detailed knowledge of the phone, its hardware and other software components. Sometimes they can try things by trial and error, sometimes they have knowledge from a similar phone, and sometimes they just don't know.
This is the most common issue for 'ported' ROMS. Things like Power Management, Camera, WiFi, GPS etc are the things that make one manufacturer's phone stand out from another, and therefore end up 'secret'.
This does not mean that they will never work, it only means that they take longer to get working.
Who does the porting?
The actual porting is done by surprisingly few people:
- Some guys who know 'inside secrets'
- Some guys who are just great developers but who don't have the secrets
- Some guys who can develop but need a little guidance
- Some of them are 'great guys' helping the community (and keeping their own skills up to date)
- Some of them have other motives (good and bad)
- Some of them form teams to work on different ports
Why don't all the developers work together?
Developers are people - they have all the same issues as everybody else:
- Some like working alone
- Some feel that other developers standards aren't high enough
- Some are trying to fix a specific problem that THEY want fixed
- Some teams have different goals (one team might be aiming for a port that can work on 5 different phones, whilst another team are focused on a single phone. One team may want a totally 'clean' ROM and another want a ROM with lots of customisation options built in)
- Sometimes, people just don't get along with each other
I thought the ROM makers did all this work?
You'd be wrong.
The ROM developers use the ported code to make their ROMs. Sometimes they can choose different components from the various development teams to build a ROM.
Imagine a motor car:
1) The 'developers' make the engine, wheels, steering, chassis etc
2) The ROM Makers build their car choosing the components they need for their ROM
3) The 'Modders' add custom paint colours, fancy headlights, custom interior etc
The 'developers' are not smarter than the ROM makers, and the ROM makers are not smarter than the modders. They just have different roles (and some people do all three roles!)
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...Awesome... said:
Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Though I respect and agree with you I really hope you're kidding because if your not I'm probably gonna cry. How am I supposed to sh*t rainbows now!?
I have half a mind to hurl insults at the OP(Way Off Base) as if I were in a drunken rage. Not only did he offend but he called out a Dev which is uncalled for. You can say sorry for offending someone all you want but your sorrys, and you for a matter of fact haven't done sh*t for our device. I don't believe you have the right to rant seeing as how you have contributed nothing and possibly just cost the MT4G one of its best devs. I hope we still have developers that are not fed up with us.

...Awesome... said:
Wow total lack of respect from a NOBODY! Don't worry ill have all my threads closed and good luck with this phone stay on stock for all I care name 1 single thing u have contributed to this community besides u whinning and complaining about everything good luck to this community and the rest of the devs that are still here... This is the last you guys will have heard from me... GOOD LUCK! !
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Well, damn....
Please mind the collective ego of the Dev's here. It bruises pretty easily. I tried to make the point earlier that all that work is very useful because it hones their skills, but I guess it was already too late. I sincerely hope we haven't lost another one.
Don't forget that, basically the best ICS kernel we have came from a mod that ...Awesome... did on the Tiamat kernel
Also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1641147

estallings15 said:
Well, damn....
Please mind the collective ego of the Dev's here. It bruises pretty easily. I tried to make the point earlier that all that work is very useful because it hones their skills, but I guess it was already too late. I sincerely hope we haven't lost another one.
Don't forget that, basically the best ICS kernel we have came from a mod that ...Awesome... did on the Tiamat kernel
Also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1641147
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The point I'm trying to make is non of you guys know what goes on behind the scenes you just have people like the OP to complain about any little thing... For example who here's noticed elginsk8r had his own cyanogen kernel on his cm9 Rom?? Who here knows that THEindian is working on the vkernel? Who here knows blackwing and I are trying to compile a kernel for the camcorder to work? Who here noticed if u flash elginsk8r kernel u get semi working camcorder don't say we aren't working together on fixes if u guys knew all and every little thing we all are doing and don't come out publicly and say it doesn't mean we aren't working together because WE ARE because it benefits all of us not just 1 person
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...Awesome... said:
The point I'm trying to make is non of you guys know what goes on behind the scenes you just have people like the OP to complain about any little thing... For example who here's noticed elginsk8r had his own cyanogen kernel on his cm9 Rom?? Who here knows that THEindian is working on the vkernel? Who here knows blackwing and I are trying to compile a kernel for the camcorder to work? Who here noticed if u flash elginsk8r kernel u get semi working camcorder don't say we aren't working together on fixes if u guys knew all and every little thing we all are doing and don't come out publicly and say it doesn't mean we aren't working together because WE ARE because it benefits all of us not just 1 person
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Amen. Honestly people. Patience...

my 2¢
I personally didn't think the OP was disrespectful. I think a number of devs are probably feeling similar frustrations even if from a different perspective.
I do think it is up to each user to decide to try new ROMs. If they don't work for you, then its a non-starter - go back to what works for you without complaint.
I also think it is important to remember that there are many different types of users - always. I am a software developer and I hit the same thing in my work. Some people are just looking for a solid ROM - and lack much understanding of the underlying complexity. That they're here at all places them way beyond the average smartphone buyer.
Others are Android jockies - here every day (even every minute) with a lot of their life revolving around ROM dev/swapping. It's probably important to them how they're perceived in this community.
Constructive criticism will and can be received differently by everyone within that spectrum.
Personally, I think it's great to have lots of options - it will end up serving everyone. At the level of experience I have (little!), I have gotten confused when the ROM thread titles are cute and don't indicate what they are - or their lineage. When I dig in and read the threads, there's definitely good ICS options there.

HMMMMM
I DON'T PAY BUT I USE, I DON'T FIX,BUT I COMPLAIN - IF IT DON'T WORK I'M READY FOR A QUICK FIX. TOO MANY CHOICES[somethings wrong]. NOT ENOUGH CHOICES[someone's lazy]. go to any other android forum and see how many folks are interested in mt4g. HARDLY ANY. PLEASE BE GLAD FOR WHAT WE HAVE.

I for one would like to say that I feel almost ashamed, that I use these roms, and I don't say thank you enough. Let me be honest, because at my age, its hard to fall asleep at night, having told a lie. I'm struggling right now, keeping my power on, & feeding my family. I'm laid off and looking for work, and while I would love to donate to these devs for their work, I simply don't have the money. But as soon as I do, I will gladly. I'm not looking for pity, just being honest. But a big thanks to all devs, porters, mods, anyone that devotes time here, because that's something I do know, time is a precious thing that shouldn't be taken for granted..
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I don't think the OP was being disrespectful or intended to.
I see where he's coming from b/c there are a lot of ICS ROMs with common issues. Like we don't need three different AOKP ROMs for example, and if anything, it's gotta be hard on ...Awesome... to track progress for the fact he has several ICS builds and different threads, at least that's what I think, which is why I agree with the OP when he calls ...Awesome... out like that b/c all of his ROMs are basically the same, just w/ different "flavors" so it seems. If it was me, I'd put out just one ROM and give you guys no choice at all. If you really want all the silly things like themes and stuff, then do it yourself.
The vanilla ROM, is perfect. AOKP is fine. CM9, great. But ****ting Rainbows and Rootie Tootie (which is bloated to the max IMO) are unnecessary, esp. since it doesn't fix any of the core problems such as RR and SoD's and etc. and that only adds more threads to keep up with and distracts you from the things that really do matter. Yea it's cool and neat that you can get a ton of extra add ons into the ROM, but don't put all your work into just trying to make those silly settings and stuff work.
And another thing, ICS is a neat little project for our device, but if you want all that other **** and keep acting like you absolutely need to have ICS fully functional on this old outdated phone, then either A) go back to GB and be content w/ that until ICS is out of BETA or B) get a new damn phone, like everyone else has been doing. We're obsessed w/ ICS when we have perfectly, fully functional GB ROMs that devs have worked hard on too, like sckboy for example. He's still putting out GB ROMs and I bet some of you guys aren't aware of this at all b/c the ICS threads stay at the top of the forums pretty much.

jjbadd385 said:
I for one would like to say that I feel almost ashamed, that I use these roms, and I don't say thank you enough. Let me be honest, because at my age, its hard to fall asleep at night, having told a lie. I'm struggling right now, keeping my power on, & feeding my family. I'm laid off and looking for work, and while I would love to donate to these devs for their work, I simply don't have the money. But as soon as I do, I will gladly. I'm not looking for pity, just being honest. But a big thanks to all devs, porters, mods, anyone that devotes time here, because that's something I do know, time is a precious thing that shouldn't be taken for granted..
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Thanks man and like I've said before nobody here is doing it for money/donations specially me I do it for people to have a variety and its a hobby for me that I love doing...
I have a
Sense rom for all u sense freaks
AOSP & a AOKP rom for u ics fans
Cm9 rom
Variety!!! if it bothered the OP so much that theirs variety don't flash non of my ROMS thank you again and ill say it again as long as in my count 1 person is still using ANY of my roms ill keep updating them ENOUGH with this thread and the OP. Till he contributes 1 thing to this community he should be allowed to complain!!! As far as ANY other person in this community instead of complaining about a feature offer a suggestion the best one ive hear came yesterday when someone said they needed wifi calling for daily use sure they reported the same problem AGAIN but atleast he made a suggestion on how to fix it or try to fix it...
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