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I want to buy a htc touch pro from att no commitment, i have an iphone plan which i only pay $20 a month, can I just switch sims and get away with paying that instead of $30 a month for data?
AFAIK, this will not work.
Why wouldn't it work? Even if I unlocked the phone?
because the iPhone plan works in conjunction with the imei of your iPhone, in this case when you use the internet on a PDA/Blackberry with the iPhone plan the system will know you are not using an iPhone and thus charge you accordingly......i am a Store manager and i see this more often then not.
jimbobcooterrooter said:
because the iPhone plan works in conjunction with the imei of your iPhone, in this case when you use the internet on a PDA/Blackberry with the iPhone plan the system will know you are not using an iPhone and thus charge you accordingly......i am a Store manager and i see this more often then not.
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Well yes... and no.
Swapping out SIM cards would technically work, but as jim points out, the system at&t uses does recognize IMEI and at some point would catch that you are using PDA device on a iPHONE data plan in theory... but your problem really wouldn't be until when/if they caught you as I have heard, but never seen myself, happens. The only thing that would definitely not work with swapping out your SIM card in the MMS would NOT work ever on the iPHONE data plan as the MMS is blocked via the network system. But if 10 or 15bucks a months is really worth risking hundreds (if not thousands, I have seen bills that high) than that is you lack of reason.
this is also true, but it is also true that voicemail wouldnt not function properly, mms would actually be fine, because mms is a limitation of the iphone, it isnt blocked by the system on the back end. I often switch between my fuze/iphone/ and bold and the visual voicemail provisioning will allow VM to work, however it will send you a text after each VM and after you check your VM, very annoying.
Thunderbolt and ALL future 4G VZW devices require a SIM card inserted into them for authentication. I just posted this on VZW forums because someone asked so here's a re-post for the HoFo members.
The SIM card is required for ALL 4G devices even when in CDMA only mode. See this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removab...dentity_Module
VZ is adopting SIM-technology for all 4G and beyond future releases for ease of use because you can switch your account profile from phone to phone as long as it's a VZW 4G device and it will seamlessly work. No more calling support, you just swap the SIM card. No more *228 except for PRL updates but that in theory should be done automatically too in the future.
If you really want to know what's in the Thunderbolt here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UICC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDMA_Su...dentify_Module
The Verizon 4G LTE SIM cards have 3 components in them (3 modules that are transparent to the end-user):
1. CSIM: Authentication to the CDMA 1X voice/data and CDMA EvDO rA data 3G network.
2. USIM/ISIM/USAT/ISIM: USIM is used for LTE/GSM/UMTS/HSPA data authentication. The last 3 are for roaming.
1. USIM is also used for native direct Verizon SIM card roaming when abroad (outside of the US) as long as the device hardware has the processing (baseband) and antennas to have the overseas bands.
2. ISIM is used for IMS (IP Multimedia Subsystem) authentication. Basically in the future Verizon wants to do VoLTE and move voice into IP (VoIP). This allows for ALL-IP simplified network management. Also device management and stuff that makes the device automatically work when it connects to ANY network in the world /w VZW roaming agreement (aka SMS/MMS).
3. USAT: Application toolkit for the SIM card. If you're not a developer forget about it.
4. ISIM (Intelligent SIM): One of the functions/applications is remote modular address book movement. (Only up to 256K). So if your address book contains up to 256K you can move it onto the SIM card and move your address book seamlessly transparently to the end user between any VZW device. There are other functions that only the engineer would understand.
"The application has been ported to the UICC (Universal Integrated Circuit Card), so that a card with CSIM, SIM, and USIM can operate with all cellular networks worldwide."
Get it? One phone, one network, 6 continents, every-where on planet-earth! Ah don't you just love technology? >.<
Also countering AT&T's stupid advertising the Thunderbolt will be able to do simultaneous voice and data like all AT&T 3G phones when in an upgraded area.
**Upgraded area=Area where Verizon has done network infrastructure upgrades to allow simultaneous voice and data on both CDMA and LTE. You will have simulaeous voice and data in ALL areas covered by LTE in which the data will be on LTE and the voice will be on CDMA 1X currently. In areas without LTE coverage that have been upgraded even the old native CDMA 1X/EvDO rA network will be able to do simulaeous voice and data (not all complete, in LTE areas yes, in non-LTE areas where they will get LTE yes by 2012). Basicall if you're in a metro area you will have simulaeous voice & data on ALL Verizon technologies, and then expand from there to the rural areas for the entire country by 2012.
Now with that said and done, VZ counters EVERY SINGLE CLAIM made by AT&T marketing in which VZ:
1. Support every function that AT&T does but does it EVEN BETTER
2. The superior VZW network in which VZW has invested billions of $$$ in.
These days it's not a technology limitation, it's the amount of $$$ you want to invest. Everything is possible, it just costs $. Heh.
thanks for the info...very informative
Stinks, I wanted to use this phone over seas too, I thought the SIM card thing was universal but ah well.
Not a surprise at all considering LTE is based on GSM, but nice job supplying details.
Would one be able to use a Thunderbolt SIM card in a laptop that was so equipped so that one only needed one data plan?
A Verizon sales rep I spoke with said no, it will not be possible, but you never know whether to believe what a sales rep says.
Robertus said:
Would one be able to use a Thunderbolt SIM card in a laptop that was so equipped so that one only needed one data plan?
A Verizon sales rep I spoke with said no, it will not be possible, but you never know whether to believe what a sales rep says.
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Almost certainly not, at least until they start making laptops with LTE radios. Or preferrably, a combined EVDO/LTE radio compatible with Verizon's SIM for CDMA scheme. No telling how long that will take, though.
Robertus, yes if you get a 4G USB stick like the UML290.
FCC is here:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...=N&application_id=579333&fcc_id=\'NM8PG05100\
Looks like part of the delay is the updated RF testing for the SVDO and SVLTE support! w00t!
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Looks like part of the delay is the updated RF testing for the SVDO and SVLTE support! w00t!
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This is a HUGE plus for vzw network, as from this point on with all the 4G devices they are becoming on of the worlds most modern providers in the world.
Thank you as always for your great info willzzz!
The old native EVDO Rev. A is not capable of doing voice and data, and SVDO is a software feature, not hardware. Verizon is upgrading to CDMA 1X Advanced, in order for SVDO to work. Voice over LTE was tested with this phone, but it weren't as successful as the LG 4G device. The tentative date for this device was changed 3 times, with the iphone being the main reason for the delay. Verizon doesn't know what their LTE data surcharge should be, or if they should go free for a limited time. I'll find out later at work as to what's with their reasoning for the delay now.
After reading that I'm still not sure... so will the thunderbolt be global or not?
I'm about to get Thunderbolt, and through my company we get very nice discounts on vzw plans. Once I get unlimited data on thunderbolt you are positive that by swapping SIM's with UML290 they won't automatically change my plan to data card plans?
That's what I'm worried the most. Also, the other day when I tried to buy UML290 outright, they didn't really wanna sell me unless i sign a contract or month-to-month, which means credit check etc... Is this required? I just want to pay for UML290 full price $250, and leave the store, they obviously don't make it easy.
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Also, the other day when I tried to buy UML290 outright, they didn't really wanna sell me unless i sign a contract or month-to-month, which means credit check etc... Is this required? I just want to pay for UML290 full price $250, and leave the store, they obviously don't make it easy.
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They wouldn't let me do that at a corporate store for my Droid X the other month either. I just went to a reseller and bought it outright. You can probably buy the device from a Verizon authorized dealer without signing up for anything.
My friend and I added a new apn from the steps in forum to allow tethering without a plan, well I rarely use mine but he uses his a little more to pay bills and such online through his laptop. He received a message yesterday from ATT stating that this sim is not authorized for tethering and to stop. From what I read I thought they were only catching those with the cryphone. Are they starting to look for others too, what's the deal we r both grandfathered in on the unlimited plan, it shouldn't matter how I use my mobile internet its the same wether I use it in my phone or tether through our laptops.
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but he uses his a little more to pay bills and such online through his laptop.
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you can pay most bills with the smartphone browsers. i only tether for streaming stock quotes (java applets) when i'm away from home. can your ipad or ipad2 does that? haha
this is why i rather carry my sony 4.5" UMPC when i'm away from home.
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My friend and I added a new apn from the steps in forum to allow tethering without a plan, well I rarely use mine but he uses his a little more to pay bills and such online through his laptop. He received a message yesterday from ATT stating that this sim is not authorized for tethering and to stop. From what I read I thought they were only catching those with the cryphone. Are they starting to look for others too, what's the deal we r both grandfathered in on the unlimited plan, it shouldn't matter how I use my mobile internet its the same wether I use it in my phone or tether through our laptops.
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Nooo! This is very concerning....
I also agree that everyone should be able to use their monthly allotted amount of data however they please.
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It was going to happen eventually. It's the cell phone equivalent of stealing cable. Most companies don't take kindly to losing money on hacked features.
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It was going to happen eventually. It's the cell phone equivalent of stealing cable. Most companies don't take kindly to losing money on hacked features.
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huh??
i have the 2GB plan, does it really matter how i use that 2GB? (laptop or phone?)
if i have cable, i can hook it up any ways i want! (to 50" HDTV, desktop, or laptop)
It's bad enough they (at&t) screwed themselves with the ipads, but now you they really want to be like apple n charge you twice because of it. Why should you have to have 2 data plans to use 1 data feature anyway?
I think it was really more for people like me that have unlimited data plans. I can use an ass-load more data with my laptop than I could with my phone.
Either way, a feature is a feature is a feature. They aren't the first, and they won't be the last big company to charge for stuff like that. As much as you or I don't agree with it (I really hate stuff like this), it's not enough to justify theft. I refuse to pay for tethering, so I just don't do it...
Also, if you read some of the Android guru's talking about the handset manufacturers all starting to lock their bootloaders. This is the reason. Before, when it was just us goofing about with our own devices and hurting noone, especially not the carrier, they couldn't care less. As we start moving into LTE with a tethering option, you'll see almost every single Android handset maker locking their phones down. Just look at the Thunderbolt... HTC has always been a big proponent of the Android dev scene, but they signed that bootloader. If you think it was for any other reason than to stop people from tethering and flooding Verizon's LTE network, you're crazy. Verizon may have forced their hand, but it's still done. Neither AT&T or Verizon want to have to deal with what AT&T had to with the iPhone saturation killing their network speeds(and the crap reputation it's brought them) when it comes to their new LTE networks. They'll do whatever they have to in order to guarantee the majority of their customers get a pleasant network experience. Even if that means making "Suggestions" to handset makers. Motorola did it, HTC did it, Samsung is next, then LG. And ultimately, we're going to be the ones to blame. That's just the way I've been seeing things. I may be completely off base...
*NOTE* The thunderbold has been hacked. Maybe there's hope after all.
At this point I don't really care anymore. If AT&T ever delivers 4G speeds I won't have to tether. Charge me, don't charge me, whatever. Being an AT&T customer is exhausting.
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I had AT&T update my IMEI because I was going to be using a non-smartphone for "traveling" and had them put in an unlimited $10 data. Went ahead and popped my SIM into my Inspire, and I've only gotten two messages and an e-mail that they recognized I'm using a 4G SIM and that they've changed my plan accordingly. I called and checked my account online, and both show that I've still got the feature, so it's been working; plus, I've been using WiFi hotspot for my laptop this whole time.
Hope they don't catch on!
lrs421 said:
At this point I don't really care anymore. If AT&T ever delivers 4G speeds I won't have to tether. Charge me, don't charge me, whatever. Being an AT&T customer is exhausting.
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You're not going to get 4G speeds with HSPA+. It's a 3.5G technology. The same thing that T-Mobile has been touting as 4G for the last year. They had great speed on their network because no one was using it... That's not being mean, it's just the way it is. If AT&T has this infrastructure and it was only 40% utilized, every current 4G phone (Atrix & Inspire) would be getting 10-14mb down.
I'm in Northern Atlanta (The home of AT&T wireless), and I get 5mb down and 2mb up late at night. During prime time, I pull 2.5mb down and 2mb up.
This will all change when AT&T starts rolling out their LTE network. It should be showing the exact same speeds as Verizon's. They're both similar in size, and running the exact same technology.
I just got ATT unlimited gophone plan for $50 a month. It says unlimited voice, text and data, however data does not work no matter what ROM I flash. I get a H signal and the APN settings are correct however for some reason data does not work. My phone is a Nexus i90020a for ATT so it should work. Does anyone else have this problem and a possible solution? Thanks!
If its not a smartphone approved for that plan, it wont work unless you add a smartphone data plan. The only way around this is using an unbranded or a phone not on att databases so it cant detect your model based on imei, since they only keep records for their own phones. But your nexus is a att model and they know it so its gonna be tough getting data on the 50 dollar plan
For example in my case, im using the same plan to have unlim everything and i ONLY use international phones and havent had any issues: Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus, and now HTC One X
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If its not a smartphone approved for that plan, it wont work unless you add a smartphone data plan. The only way around this is using an unbranded or a phone not on att databases so it cant detect your model based on imei, since they only keep records for their own phones. But your nexus is a att model and they know it so its gonna be tough getting data on the 50 dollar plan
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He's correct. Get an unbranded device. I currently have a Droid 3 with the $10 MediaNet plan.
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Turned off 3g and it works on EDGE. I guess if everyone was downloading gigs of unlimited data their network would crash so they only give you 2g. Thinking dumb phones can only download so much on limited technology. Im in wifi all day anyway, only for emails etc when im out of wifi range.
I got the ATT Fusion on the prepay plan and pay for minutes used only. Can still use Wifi for emails, texting, and some calls.
Since this is my first 'smart phone' it was a good way to start and avoid the higher charges for data I don't need to use.
But....having flashed new roms and got used to operating it with various apps the bug has bit me to move on up in class.
I'm thinking about the Galaxy Nexus or maybe even a tablet.
Just wondering. I never did the unlock as I really just need tether. Wondering if there were any developments in that department.
I feel confident that the FoxFi\PDAnet developers will come through with a solution as they did for the Samsung KitKat devices. A process report would be helpful.
You can always pony up the extra money per month for the officially sanctioned mobile Hotspot feature. You can also use Faveset Klink over USB to a small always-on PC that acts as a wireless router. An Intel NUC is a good example of that. Both of these solutions do not involve paying Verizon any extra money per month, though they may not be 100% kosher as far as the ToS for your unlimited data plan. I went the legit route and signed up for the mobile Hotspot feature. Hurts the wallet but I'll never need to worry about NUCs or the possibility that I'll never be able to root my device and be stuck without a tethering solution.
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Easy tether pro has worked since day one. Has bluetooth for wireless but it's not a true wifi hotspot. Better than nothing.
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jfriend33 said:
Easy tether pro has worked since day one. Has bluetooth for wireless but it's not a true wifi hotspot. Better than nothing.
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FoxFi/PDA net also works over bluetooth but its very, very slow.
ratman6161 said:
FoxFi/PDA net also works over bluetooth but its very, very slow.
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I don't think foxfi works though anymore
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Don't know if this is the place to ask but is there any data available on connection rates between WiFi via mobile hotspot vs Bluetooth tether? Which is faster and what app is best?
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Easy tether pro has worked since day one. Has bluetooth for wireless but it's not a true wifi hotspot. Better than nothing.
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same works good with my phone to tablet
mitchbaria said:
Don't know if this is the place to ask but is there any data available on connection rates between WiFi via mobile hotspot vs Bluetooth tether? Which is faster and what app is best?
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I haven't seen any data. But I've personally experienced the best results using wifi hotspot. Followed by usb, then bluetooth. The last 2 are significantly slower.
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Sorry to resurrect old topic but...
allquixotic said:
You can always pony up the extra money per month for the officially sanctioned mobile Hotspot feature. You can also use Faveset Klink over USB to a small always-on PC that acts as a wireless router. An Intel NUC is a good example of that. Both of these solutions do not involve paying Verizon any extra money per month, though they may not be 100% kosher as far as the ToS for your unlimited data plan. I went the legit route and signed up for the mobile Hotspot feature. Hurts the wallet but I'll never need to worry about NUCs or the possibility that I'll never be able to root my device and be stuck without a tethering solution.
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My job is providing me with a Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4" which I should be getting in the next couple of days...but it's WiFi only. They will buy tablets but not data plans and they will only buy WiFi only tablets. So if I want cellular data its up to me. Note: Please don't reply with "why don't you unlock and/or root" because I've already made the decision not to do that.
I am lucky enough to still have an unlimited data plan on my Droid Maxx. I checked out buying a Verizon MiFi device, but that would require a change in my data plan and I would lose unlimited . On a MiFi, I would end up on a 5 GB data plan shared between my phone and the MiFi but my total cost would be only $10 higher than I pay today. On the other hand, tethering is a feature I can turn on without changing data plans - but that's $30 per month. But I mostly only need it when traveling and the feature can be turned on and off at will. I can do the math for myself to decide which is more cost effective. But that leads to my question:
If I pay for tethering, how well does it really work? Does a tethered phone work just as well as the MiFi? Or are there other advantages to the MiFi?
I realize you are asking a specific question and I am not answering that, but wanted to throw something out you may not have considered:
You can buy a used Verizon 4G LTE mifi off ebay for $30.
Your unlimited data plan is associated with the sim in your Maxx.
The mifi takes a sim too. Size adapters are easy to find on ebay or Amazon.
I'll let you connect the dots.
Verizon's policy: http://www.phonenews.com/verizon-af...ard-usage-in-hotspots-tablets-lte-ipad-20053/
Hope this helps.
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I realize you are asking a specific question and I am not answering that, but wanted to throw something out you may not have considered:
You can buy a used Verizon 4G LTE mifi off ebay for $30.
Your unlimited data plan is associated with the sim in your Maxx.
The mifi takes a sim too. Size adapters are easy to find on ebay or Amazon.
I'll let you connect the dots.
Verizon's policy: http://www.phonenews.com/verizon-af...ard-usage-in-hotspots-tablets-lte-ipad-20053/
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Hmmmm. That's a very interesting article and I was completely unaware of the issues it raises. Only problem is that without the SIM card, my Droid Max becomes mostly a useless brick...or does it it? I found this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvQ6tyWKXbg
But then the Droid Max would always need a WiFi Connection. When I get home I'm going to try out the app mentioned in the video above on my old Og Droid I still have laying around. It's not activated on Verizon but it still works via WiFi.....
I would look at this solution as disabling the Maxx to use the sim in a mifi, just to keep it simple. When out of a case, the sim in the Maxx is easy to access. This may not work for you but is a cheap workaround for me and my non-rootable phone (I have a Maxx too) when I occasionally travel and can do without the phone for hours at a time. Again, just another option to consider if it fits your particular requirements.
How you unlocked your fone
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