Good evening everyone
I know my question may seem stupid, but after a long search, I have not been able to find an answer lol.
So the question is: - Is it possible to have on the "Infinity" tablet a true multitasking like on the Galaxy Note II?
- Is there something like that? (I saw onskreen but I do not understand it).
I am a student and I mainly use my tablet for university and so it will be very useful to me.
Here is a video that summarizes some here that what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6c7XaDWmJg
Because Xda is a great community, I count on you to bring me those answers.
Thank you very much each of you who will response! :laugh::good:
levitz_kais said:
Is it possible to have on the "Infinity" tablet a true multitasking like on the Galaxy Note II?
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In the technical sense, Android already is a true multitasking OS, it just doesn't show you 2 or more "screens" next to each other.
There are however some apps that allow you to work in windowed mode, they're generally called floating apps. There's a thread for it over here.
levitz_kais said:
Good evening everyone
I know my question may seem stupid, but after a long search, I have not been able to find an answer lol.
So the question is: - Is it possible to have on the "Infinity" tablet a true multitasking like on the Galaxy Note II?
- Is there something like that? (I saw onskreen but I do not understand it).
I am a student and I mainly use my tablet for university and so it will be very useful to me.
Here is a video that summarizes some here that what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6c7XaDWmJg
Because Xda is a great community, I count on you to bring me those answers.
Thank you very much each of you who will response! :laugh::good:
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One biggest issue here is hardware limitation, it's only has 1gb of memory. This is just way too low for multi-tasking.
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One biggest issue here is hardware limitation, it's only has 1gb of memory. This is just way too low for multi-tasking.
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I wonder how I did multitasking 10 years ago, on a desktop machine with 256 MB of memory...
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One biggest issue here is hardware limitation, it's only has 1gb of memory. This is just way too low for multi-tasking.
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This just isn't true - I can multitask (with "floating" apps, etc) just fine on my TF700. While 2gb would of course be better, 1gb is enough to multitask comfortably - I do it on a daily basis.
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1gb of ram is more than enough to run a mobile OS.its more whether or not the memory leak that android had has been fixed. I would like google to polish up multitasking abit and get it more like the Nokia N900 Maemo 5 multitasking.
Just as a real quick example - here I have a notepad, a browser, a terminal emulator and the Settings app open, all at the same time and all visible at the same time and I *still* have over 275mb of free RAM (as seen in the lower right corner via the Settings app)!
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
1gb is plenty to multitask...
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_that said:
I wonder how I did multitasking 10 years ago, on a desktop machine with 256 MB of memory...
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I remember that 512kb was enough (Amiga 500; Workbench) preemptive multitasking :good:
Generally, i hate Windows 8 on desktop. Will never have it on tablet, so i can't comment an experience on that one.
But the idea of the app sidebar could actually be usable, good and fun solution on android, too.
This thing looks really stupid on my Win8 desktop, but on the other hand, for the tablet is not that stupid.
Imagine having gTalk on a sidebar and something else on a main window.
Extra candy would be an option to resize it manually, not like Win8, where it is predefined.
Yes, i understand why that is so, but, if developers want it or not, the future is in fluid designs. All over. Not just on the web.
Sooner or later there will be a launcher with possibility like that to offer - hopefully.
Wouldn't it be nice to have that? I think it would.
If someone wanted to do the effort of debugging and building. http://onskreen.com/cornerstone/
We can code anything to multi-task, like some idiot said even with 256ram, Yes in theory multi-tasking will work but it's going to run like ****. Stutter, freeze up etc..to the point unusable, so it's going to be more headache than it worth. In my opinion, 1gb of ram is too low for a true multi-tasking. If you open a browser with about 6-7 tabs, let set 1 tabs for videos streaming, 2 for facebook, and the rest for what ever, let it run for 15 min, check the memory, you don't have much left and the device started to perform poorly. Now back to the OP question, anything can multi-task, but as well as the note 2, NO, why? take a look at the memory, note 2 is double the amount of memory...must be there for a reason...for true multi-tasking.
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We can code anything to multi-task, like some idiot said even with 256ram, Yes in theory multi-tasking will work but it's going to run like ****. Stutter, freeze up etc..to the point unusable, so it's going to be more headache than it worth. In my opinion, 1gb of ram is too low for a true multi-tasking. If you open a browser with about 6-7 tabs, let set 1 tabs for videos streaming, 2 for facebook, and the rest for what ever, let it run for 15 min, check the memory, you don't have much left and the device started to perform poorly. Now back to the OP question, anything can multi-task, but as well as the note 2, NO, why? take a look at the memory, note 2 is double the amount of memory...must be there for a reason...for true multi-tasking.
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Ok, don't start with the childish name calling... It's not theory - it's *fact* that I *can* and *do* multitask just fine with 1gb. I do it on a daily basis without "stutter, freezeup, etc" and it is certainly usable. Sorry to say, but most people don't up 6 or 7 tabs in their browser, especially while trying to do other things at the same time.
Of course 2gb or RAM would be better, but 1gb can multitask just fine, especially for real-world use. So, to answer the OP's question, YES, you can multitask with the TF700 - it actually works very well...
Are you going to play a graphic intensive game while opening 6 or 7 tabs? Of course not, but who in the hell would *actually* do that anyway?
Your original statement that 1gb of RAM is "way" to low to multitask is pure BS. Period.
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Ok, don't start with the childish name calling... It's not theory - it's *fact* that I *can* and *do* multitask just fine with 1gb. I do it on a daily basis without "stutter, freezeup, etc" and it is certainly usable. Sorry to say, but most people don't up 6 or 7 tabs in their browser, especially while trying to do other things at the same time.
Of course 2gb or RAM would be better, but 1gb can multitask just fine, especially for real-world use. So, to answer the OP's question, YES, you can multitask with the TF700 - it actually works very well...
Are you going to play a graphic intensive game while opening 6 or 7 tabs? Of course not, but who in the hell would *actually* do that anyway?
Your original statement that 1gb of RAM is "way" to low to multitask is pure BS. Period.
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Notice, though, that buhohitr did *not* mention anything about gaming at all. No one expects to multitask when gaming, that is counter-productive. However, he makes a valid point that you miss - initially, when you start with the multi-tasking, it works great. But, after about 15-30 minutes of it, it bogs down terribly. It's partially due to memory leaks and partially due to our crappy NAND I/O (b/c if we had good NAND I/O then even with memory leaks in apps the paging would be noticeably faster, and thus not slow us down nearly as badly as it does).
Another thing you mention is real world use - whose, yours? How am *I* to know that your standards for real world use match mine? What if my real world usage is much more intensive than yours? What if mine is much less intensive, but deals directly with apps that that have large memory leaks, and thus my seemingly light usage actually bogs my machine down more than yours in a much more moderate to heavy usage scenario. Real world is not applicable b/c we all have our own scenarios on how we use our devices. And these issues are partially due to the fact that there are memory leaks in apps (and not necessarily all apps, either, making it that much harder to troubleshoot, or even 'demonstratee', at times).
I think, overall, that buhohitr (and others in this thread) have hit the nail on the head. The 1 GB of RAM we have would be more than sufficient if 1) the NAND I/O was up to par, not sub-par, and 2) memory leaks were fixed.
Browsing is an especially big concern as the paging starts to take place almost immediately, thus causing slow downs and bottlenecking very soon, I'd warrant even sooner than 15 minutes, depending upon the intensity of graphics and flash files on the site. Add to that the fact that anything else that you do that requires access to the NAND, like large office suites, also slow down the system in general, and you get a lot of issues.
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However, he makes a valid point that you miss - initially, when you start with the multi-tasking, it works great. But, after about 15-30 minutes of it, it bogs down terribly. It's partially due to memory leaks and partially due to our crappy NAND I/O (b/c if we had good NAND I/O then even with memory leaks in apps the paging would be noticeably faster, and thus not slow us down nearly as badly as it does).
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I did miss any point - again, I multitask daily and nothing "bogs down terribly". I'm guessing that you are not running CleanROM?? If not, you might want to give it a shot - between it and Clemsyc's OC kernel, nothing *ever* bogs down anymore!
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Another thing you mention is real world use - whose, yours? How am *I* to know that your standards for real world use match mine? What if my real world usage is much more intensive than yours? What if mine is much less intensive, but deals directly with apps that that have large memory leaks, and thus my seemingly light usage actually bogs my machine down more than yours in a much more moderate to heavy usage scenario.
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Of course it's *my* real world usage! I'm just reporting on *my* real-world experiences, which is that it multitasks just fine, at least in my case. Just as he made a general statement that 1gb is "way too low" to multitask, I'm making a general statement that in my experience, it multitasks fine. You sure do have a lot of "what ifs" it that paragraph! Of course each user is going to do things differently, but you certainly cannot say that you cannot multitask with 1gb of RAM, because you can.
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I think, overall, that buhohitr (and others in this thread) have hit the nail on the head. The 1 GB of RAM we have would be more than sufficient if 1) the NAND I/O was up to par, not sub-par, and 2) memory leaks were fixed.
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Where did buhohitr say that?? From what I read, he quite clearly stated that "1gb is way too low to multitask", which is simply incorrect.
I'm not sure if you've even tried to multitask and had problems or if you are playing the "what if" game. Again, I'm just posting my real-world experiences with multitasking on the TF700 - take it for what it is. But you can't just say that "1gb is way too low to multitask" and start calling people idiots without expecting someone to call you on it.
I even posted a screen shot of the kind of multitasking that I was referring to.
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Svashtar said:
Generally, i hate Windows 8 on desktop. Will never have it on tablet, so i can't comment an experience on that one.
But the idea of the app sidebar could actually be usable, good and fun solution on android, too.
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That's what I also thought - I never could get used to tiling window managers on the X desktop, but it would be great on the tablet, as Microsoft showed. IMHO it makes more sense than floating apps.
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Browsing is an especially big concern as the paging starts to take place almost immediately
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Then why did you even set up swap in your custom ROM? By default there is no swap configured at all, so it can't start paging to anywhere.
FluffyRabbit said:
If someone wanted to do the effort of debugging and building. http://onskreen.com/cornerstone/
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I ran Cornerstone EOS nightlies for a while on my OG Xoom. It was a good idea but very difficult to implement. We all just finally gave up on it.
So finally, someone can explain to me how Onskreen works, and how to install this on our tablet.
In fact i need to part my tablet in 2 or 3 parts (Evernote, Web browser, and the last for any application); so i'm seraching how to install this or if another solution exist.
I don't know if what i'm talking about is clear.
Thanks for your response!!
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levitz_kais said:
So finally, someone can explain to me how Onskreen works, and how to install this on our tablet.
In fact i need to part my tablet in 2 or 3 parts (Evernote, Web browser, and the last for any application); so i'm seraching how to install this or if another solution exist.
I don't know if what i'm talking about is clear.
Thanks for your response!!
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You might want to do some research on Onskreen before spending too much time and effort trying to get it running on the TF700 (which I doubt you will be able to anyway). There is a reason that it was abandoned - it just didn't work right! There were tons of compatibility issues which made it more trouble than it was worth.
Seriously, you're fighting a losing battle with Onskreen!
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i dont lag if ive got web browser, shadow gun, gmail and a few other little apps ( tbh i dont even lag at all when ive got them open, except if im downloading something from uturrent) but some apps dont have true multitasking for example, i cant listen to youtube if im in another tab or using the app and google chrome always seems to refresh the page automatically if i switch a tab.
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but some apps dont have true multitasking for example, i cant listen to youtube if im in another tab or using the app and google chrome always seems to refresh the page automatically if i switch a tab.
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Technically, apps don't multitask, the OS does (Android). Apps can make use of multitasking by multithreading, but it is up to the developer to implement that in the app. So, if the youtube playback is stopped when switching a tab, that is by design, or at least how the developer(s) programmed it. Try a different browser, it might allow you to do what you want.
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I'm usually sitting on somewhere between 60-100MB of free RAM. Now keep in mind, I have LOTS of widgets running, a gorgeous theme, spb 3d launcher, etc...and I prefer to keep those things going, because that's how I get my value from my phone. I don't think the phone is slow by any means...but because I'm used to using Windows, I'm paranoid about low ram. Should I be worried, or is it fine as long as I'm not experiencing bad performance?
Moving some apps to my internal sd card wouldn't do anything about RAM, correct?
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I'm usually sitting on somewhere between 60-100MB of free RAM. Now keep in mind, I have LOTS of widgets running, a gorgeous theme, spb 3d launcher, etc...and I prefer to keep those things going, because that's how I get my value from my phone. I don't think the phone is slow by any means...but because I'm used to using Windows, I'm paranoid about low ram. Should I be worried, or is it fine as long as I'm not experiencing bad performance?
Moving some apps to my internal sd card wouldn't do anything about RAM, correct?
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I'm not an expert at all, but rather someone with the same question. As explained to me, the newer versions of android are most excellent in memory management. The need to manage memory, like in windows, is not there in newer versions.
With that said, being from windows, seeing low memory counts freak me out. I've been convinced by the people on this forum, to give it a try and not freak out. Avoid using task killers and such. Only thing I do is remove apps and Widgets I do not use. I've not regretted that advice.
It really all depends on what you are doing on the phone. If you only have 10 MB left, but are only checking emails, you are fine. But if you were to start playing a game from the terga zone, then you will have problems.
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It really all depends on what you are doing on the phone. If you only have 10 MB left, but are only checking emails, you are fine. But if you were to start playing a game from the terga zone, then you will have problems.
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Right, but, my understanding is, android will shutdown unused tasks to accommodate the need.
I learned with windows phone 7, there is a balance between live tiles, battery life, and performance. I assume that android has a similar premise. Do I need 40 Widgets on my desktop. What is the trade off if I do.
Again, I'm # noob to android...but this is how I'm proceeding.
Android keeps things in ram, which I would think is so apps can start up faster. If you are using something and it needs more ram than is free, android will remove something that isn't running to free memory. as far as too little, ram not being used is wasted. So just because you have a low amount free means nothing. The only thing that would be bad is if running services and apps needed more ram than the phone physically has. so just because there is little free means nothing really.
Read the article linked to in the first post of this thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=678205
Pay special attention to the Addendum at the end where it talks specifically about the way Android/Linux handles memory.
Here's a nice thread about a possible solution for I/O issues/bottleneck.The topic is for the Transformer Prime but i guess the devs in here will also found interesting infos.
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Here's a nice thread about a possible solution for I/O issues/bottleneck.The topic is for the Transformer Prime but i guess the devs in here will also found interesting infos.
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What issues? I don't experience any issues anymore with the .26 update. I am rooted and unlocked, but I haven't done anything to improve on that part. In .22 it was quite necessary, but ASUS has done a good job with .26.
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It's been pretty OK since the update.
And I don't think that moving all data to an external microSD card is such a good idea, I'd rather depend on internal storage, I want my SD to be totally removable.
I'd like to know more about this SQL patch though, but they don't provide much info really.
BTW, there's a typo in your link (no colon after http).
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What issues? I don't experience any issues anymore with the .26 update. I am rooted and unlocked, but I haven't done anything to improve on that part. In .22 it was quite necessary, but ASUS has done a good job with .26.
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I agree with you, my tablet also work quiet nice with .26 but if you look at the benchmarks the internal storage on our tablet is very slow compared with other old and new devices.
With the above kernel mode we could use external storage for /DATA and /CACHE partition and gain a substantial speed increase.
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d14b0ll0s said:
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It's been pretty OK since the update.
And I don't think that moving all data to an external microSD card is such a good idea, I'd rather depend on internal storage, I want my SD to be totally removable.
I'd like to know more about this SQL patch though, but they don't provide much info really.
BTW, there's a typo in your link (no colon after http).
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Here's more info regarding that sql patch
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Here's more info regarding that sql patch
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Ok, so this simply disables fsync, not something I'll be doing anytime soon, at least until the reboot issues are completely solved (I'll be happy with 30 days uptime).
Plus, this is not the greatest idea on a device that had some I/O issues, as it seems sync is even more needed with it.
I don't think the infinity needs an external SD card, it's fast enough and even scoring better than his prime with external SD card.
This is my stock infinity:
That's not really testing the part that fails horribly though. Where our storage performs miserably is random writes. It's around 40-50 IOPS and under 200kB/s. Absolutely ridiculous for a flagship device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29660695&postcount=25
I'm amazed that folks are happy with the performance on .26. It is better than .22 but performance is still pretty terrible for me compared to my other devices. If you guys use Browser2ram or disable fsync in sqlite you'll realize just how slow this thing still is. In my opinion, buying a fast microSD card(harder than you think for random access) and moving /data and /cache is the best option.
I am noticing pretty slow browsing, pages load terribly slowly. I've tried chrome, Firefox and built in browser. While I agree there has been some improvement, i still get pretty noticeable stutters in ICS.
I mean this tablet has pretty much the best specs on the market...quad core, clocked @ 1.6 and a gig of ram with a substantial internal hd. It would seem to me that there is still a lot of untapped horse power.
That said, early adopters of new technology should often expect some quirks at the beginning, i know i did. Asus has always been great about getting updates out fast for other hardware i have purchased.
I personally feel that with a little patience, we will not only get our fixes and jelly bean, but some great devs making new ROM'S that will really showcase the performance we can expect from this device.
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That's not really testing the part that fails horribly though. Where our storage performs miserably is random writes. It's around 40-50 IOPS and under 200kB/s. Absolutely ridiculous for a flagship device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29660695&postcount=25
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But it's not getting better with the partition moving?! Haven't seen a single Androbench screenshot which shows a big improvement on random writes.
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But it's not getting better with the partition moving?! Haven't seen a single Androbench screenshot which shows a big improvement on random writes.
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Which is why we don't think moving it helps at all.
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Which is why we don't think moving it helps at all.
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So why are you quoting my post with the benchmark where I say that moving to the SD card wouldn't be helpful for the TF700? :angel:
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So why are you quoting my post with the benchmark where I say that moving to the SD card wouldn't be helpful for the TF700? :angel:
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Only because that benchmark doesn't show the problem in question. Wasn't trying to disagree with you. =)
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Only because that benchmark doesn't show the problem in question. Wasn't trying to disagree with you. =)
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Thats what I misunderstood :silly: So when moving to a fast sd card won't help - maybe a software fix can help there to boost it up :fingers-crossed:
Im not complaining cause i fricking love this tablet but shouldnt these issues been caught during development and testing by Asus? I understand a few small issues may slip through but not something as glaring as some of the I/O problems. Did they not download and install an app while multitasking? lol. Dont get me wrong i am in no way bashing them and would still buy this tablet if i could do it over again.... I'm just not very familiar with the [email protected] process for something like this. Do they just accept a few flaws in order to bring it to market as soon as possible and work hard to push updates?
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Im not complaining cause i fricking love this tablet but shouldnt these issues been caught during development and testing by Asus? I understand a few small issues may slip through but not something as glaring as some of the I/O problems. Did they not download and install an app while multitasking? lol. Dont get me wrong i am in no way bashing them and would still buy this tablet if i could do it over again.... I'm just not very familiar with the [email protected] process for something like this. Do they just accept a few flaws in order to bring it to market as soon as possible and work hard to push updates?
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To be honest this is 1 million dollars question but only Asus (QA department maybe?) can answer. Anyway they already did a good job with the latest update and compared with previous firmwares the tablet is much better and the lag issue many users seems to be gone.
The bad part is the internal memory overall performance because imo that is just poor hardware quality and you don't expect to have such a poor hardware on a high-end device like that.
So if Asus doesn't prove the contrary (but i hope they do) this become a pure hw design flaw and there's not much we could do about it... we will have a nice "bottleneck" on this tablet.
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The poor random I/O performance is not limited to the Infinity. The entire line of Transformer tablets is plagued with this issue. Most likely Asus is just making a poor choice when they choose their emmc chips. Part of the problem is that emmc is the same stuff that goes into a sdcard and sdcards are generally designed with fast sequential performance with little regard for IOPs and random performance since most sdcards end up in cameras where most files are 1MB+ in size and you're usually only writing one file at a time.
I think Dees_Troy is correct, we just don't really have a full fledged SSD controller in tablets yet
The controller is more like the first gen ssd controllers that we had for sdd hdds
I guess with software optimization by ordering as much as possible the access and maybe caching more in the normal ram it could be a bit better
But in the end i think it is just pure hardware, we don't have Marvel or Sandforge ssd level controllers yet in tablets, that would make a bit more expensive and power hungry i guess.
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The sad part is my laptop HDD (not SSD) has 10 times Infinity's random write and one would expect more from a flash chip.
Though I used to play lots of games, I have not had a chance to play them for awhile. I certainly did not buy tablet for the purpose of gaming but the other day I saw pretty stunning graphics and decent review about "Horn", so I ended up purchasing it.
Let's talk about some positive aspect of the Infinity, which is "gaming".
1. Tegra Zone
Tegra chips being the major line of Android Tablet, slowly but surely seem to see a growth of Tegra optimized games. Some of these are quite impressive in its graphics even compared to the portable gaming devices.
I only have one game from Tegra Zone, which is "Horn" but its quick and easy to play with stunning graphics. The other game I am looking forward to is Wild Blood, which uses Unreal Engine.
Hardware wise, other high end android tablets should have no issue supporting these games, but simply due to number of devices out there, I believe Tegra chip based device continues to see its exclusive support on high end tablet gaming.
2. Playstation Mobile Certified
The launch date has just been announced as 10/3 during Tokyo Game Show.
Though not specifically stated Infinity is one of the device included, ASUS is one of the company included in the playstation mobile certified device developer so it is natural to think Infinity be one of the device supported.
Personally, no big game at this point yet but certainly nice expansion to have.
Here is the list of games currently on market (presumably for Sony's Tablet S): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Mobile_games
The official list of new games with launch in Japan can be seen here: http://www.jp.playstation.com/psn/psm/
There will be around 30 games or so initially, and more to come with developer kit releasing in November to further stimulate the game development on Android devices.
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9/24/2012
According to zenaxe, EA games are not compatible with Transformer Infinity. So if you intend to play their games, this would be minus point.
Considering that at current state I cannot play any game no longer than 5 minutes before crashing, I am not so keen about gaming on this tablet anymore.
Also it doesn't make any sense why some people can play and others don't. Before update also no problems with my gaming..
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This is good news. I was really hoping I would see a Final Fantasy game or Chrono Trigger on that list though!
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This is good news. I was really hoping I would see a Final Fantasy game or Chrono Trigger on that list though!
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Well Square Enix has its own online store so not sure if they will continue to use it or jump onto the Playstation Mobile bandwagon. Though there is almost no doubt that they will continue support Android as supposedly FFIII alone made them $700,000 in first a few weeks just on Android platform.
Considering that at current state I cannot play any game no longer than 5 minutes before crashing, I am not so keen about gaming on this tablet anymore.
Also it doesn't make any sense why some people can play and others don't. Before update also no problems with my gaming..
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Is there a specific game that you cannot play? I can give a try if its free to see if its an issue across the board.
So far I have no issue playing any of games I installed, which are not many a few Japanese specific games, FF III, and most recently Horn. I have never had any crash or force close on any of these games. But I have not made any build prop change other than market place change. I'm on stock rom .30 version with bloatware turned off.
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Is there a specific game that you cannot play? I can give a try if its free to see if its an issue across the board.
So far I have no issue playing any of games I installed, which are not many a few Japanese specific games, FF III, and most recently Horn. I have never had any crash or force close on any of these games. But I have not made any build prop change other than market place change. I'm on stock rom .30 version with bloatware turned off.
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Well the worst thing is that it is not consistant. I can get every game crash and yet if I reboot the machine than I can play every game.
Have had crashes with every single game I have played. But if I reboot and then start playing no problems. I dont think that high end tablet should work like this especially when the booting time is actually quite slow..
HoushaSen - would you mind trying Raging Thunder and Raging Thunder 2 - both are free in the store.
Maybe if they work on yours you can give me a little insight on making them work on mine.
Thanks!
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Well the worst thing is that it is not consistant. I can get every game crash and yet if I reboot the machine than I can play every game.
Have had crashes with every single game I have played. But if I reboot and then start playing no problems. I dont think that high end tablet should work like this especially when the booting time is actually quite slow..
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Well I agree. What's tough here is probably depending on what you have installed in background etc. But either way, with high end tablet that should not matter.. I don't have much running in background. Bloatware turned off. Only real widget I have is news 360 and ASUS weather. Also, I have tons of video and ebooks, which I store in microsd rather than harddrive. So my harddrive still have tons of space open. You don't have build.prop tweak do you? Because I did that before and I had my first ever random os reboot afterwards. So this time I have not touched anything on build.prop. (Though it may had nothing to do with..)
One thing that your case raises concern is, is there any memory leak? (I don't know how Android OS deals with memory leak).
HoushaSen - would you mind trying Raging Thunder and Raging Thunder 2 - both are free in the store.
Maybe if they work on yours you can give me a little insight on making them work on mine.
Thanks!
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I tried Raging Thunder 2. I was able to complete a single race without a issue. Do you know when you get error?
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Well I agree. What's tough here is probably depending on what you have installed in background etc. But either way, with high end tablet that should not matter.. I don't have much running in background. Bloatware turned off. Only real widget I have is news 360 and ASUS weather. Also, I have tons of video and ebooks, which I store in microsd rather than harddrive. So my harddrive still have tons of space open. You don't have build.prop tweak do you? Because I did that before and I had my first ever random os reboot afterwards. So this time I have not touched anything on build.prop. (Though it may had nothing to do with..)
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No build props or anything. Completely stock.
But yes i have quite a lot of widgets. It could be that they hog memory and result in bad user experience while gaming.
HD widgets, business calendar, gmail, email, youtube, zinio, g+, facebook, flighttrack and hanping chinese..
It could be that these reserve memory and then when playing games problems start. Nevertheless I have quite similar widgets on my phone and there no problems.
Maybe should try without widgets how it goes..
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No build props or anything. Completely stock.
But yes i have quite a lot of widgets. It could be that they hog memory and result in bad user experience while gaming.
HD widgets, business calendar, gmail, email, youtube, zinio, g+, facebook, flighttrack and hanping chinese..
It could be that these reserve memory and then when playing games problems start. Nevertheless I have quite similar widgets on my phone and there no problems.
Maybe should try without widgets how it goes..
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Maybe you have memory leak or memory hog. Also, one thing I really noticed performance difference is turning bloatware off. Afterall, Infinity only has 1GB RAM, which is still standard but not that much memory if you think about. But try with widget off, and potentially bloatware off and see if you can fix the issue. As I am sure it would be helpful to others.
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Let's talk about some positive aspect of the Infinity, which is "gaming".
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LOL. GAMING is the only thing I'm completely UNSATISFIED with on the Infinity. Nearly every console style game I own crashes. Trying to demo it for someone is a freaking exercise in embarrassment. EA has even marked the 700 as incompatible on a lot of their stuff where it was compatible with previous TFs.
This is a systemic problem, btw, it is not a "bad" tablet. I have owned five TF series tablets and every single one of them has been exactly like this. So, really gaming is probably the last thing I would call out as a bright spot on the ASUS tabs.
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This is good news. I was really hoping I would see a Final Fantasy game or Chrono Trigger on that list though!
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I can already play Chrono Trigger and Virtually any FF game up through the PS1 era. Look up FPSe and Super GNES on the market/google. Emulators do run fairly well.
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LOL. GAMING is the only thing I'm completely UNSATISFIED with on the Infinity. Nearly every console style game I own crashes. Trying to demo it for someone is a freaking exercise in embarrassment. EA has even marked the 700 as incompatible on a lot of their stuff where it was compatible with previous TFs.
This is a systemic problem, btw, it is not a "bad" tablet. I have owned five TF series tablets and every single one of them has been exactly like this. So, really gaming is probably the last thing I would call out as a bright spot on the ASUS tabs.
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Well I guess you are probably correct as majority of US user probably favors EA games over the PS games or Tegra games. I would admit that I play non of EA games, so I did not know. All I know is there were issue with playing Horn (Tegra optimized game) on Galaxy Note 10.1, which has better overall processing power and hardware.
Having said that, I know there are games I cannot play from Japanese store as simply not made for tablet and probably never will. So yes. you are correct on that regard. I will add EA incompatibility. Thanks for the info.
I tried to play horn but it always crashed immediately. Then pissed and rooted. Froze all bloatware and tadaa. Horn plays very well and not a single crash this far
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I tried to play horn but it always crashed immediately. Then pissed and rooted. Froze all bloatware and tadaa. Horn plays very well and not a single crash this far
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Oh... You didn't have to root. You could turn off bloatware without rooting. But now since you have rooted, I recommend browser2ram.apk, which boosts browser performance somewhat. But I really think the most effective thing I did was turning off bloatware. Build.prop tweak is supposedly great too, but I haven't done it and performance is still what I wanted to be so I'd rather not touch anything extra.
But I'm glad, you got it work and Horn is cool game isn't it? (It was sort of my main theme for this thread...)
I shall take it back what I just said it crashed and now again won't even boot up. Just black screen. Probably reboot of tablet would resolve this but I don't think we should be doing that all the time
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I shall take it back what I just said it crashed and now again won't even boot up. Just black screen. Probably reboot of tablet would resolve this but I don't think we should be doing that all the time
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Sorry to hear that. If it worked fine for a while and crashed, it sound more and more like memory leak on one of your app. Any suspicious software? If so, how about turning it off and see if it makes difference?
Where is Browser2RAM?
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Oh... You didn't have to root. You could turn off bloatware without rooting. But now since you have rooted, I recommend browser2ram.apk, which boosts browser performance somewhat. But I really think the most effective thing I did was turning off bloatware. Build.prop tweak is supposedly great too, but I haven't done it and performance is still what I wanted to be so I'd rather not touch anything extra.
But I'm glad, you got it work and Horn is cool game isn't it? (It was sort of my main theme for this thread...)
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Where can I find the Browser2RAM.apk? It's not on Google Play.
Thank you.
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I shall take it back what I just said it crashed and now again won't even boot up. Just black screen. Probably reboot of tablet would resolve this but I don't think we should be doing that all the time
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So as part of my other thread, I actually did couple additional testing (mainly for I/O effect). I run 1.1GB file transfer over the AirDroid in background and launched Final Fantasy 3, which had no issue. In fact, I couldn't even tell the difference in launching speed and actual game play compared to no background.
On the contrary, launching of Horn took much longer and I saw ANR, which I have not seen for a while on my infinity. So basically, I hypothesize here that some of your application in background may have high I/O access or you have memory leak in your application. The latter is not proven here.
But in any event, even on my machine which generally runs Horn totally fine can become problematic when you have stress in a background so definitely I think something in your background is the issue, which you may well know already but just wanted to let you know that I can sort of confirm this.
Where can I find the Browser2RAM.apk? It's not on Google Play.
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Here: http://www.transformerforums.com/fo...5-fix-browser-not-responding-browser2ram.html
But remember this only works if you root the system and have superuser access. If you feel like your browser is running fine, you may not even need this. I do feel like I got performance boost on stock browser, but other browser's like Boat browser seems pretty much the same (relatively fast before and still equally fast).
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Where can I find the Browser2RAM.apk? It's not on Google Play.
Thank you.
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Just a heads up that browser 2 ram will not have any impact on gaming, it could even theoretically have a negative impact on it if it fragments memory or causes less to be available for other process somehow... but it should help www browsing that is limited by eMMC I/O. I do not have many issues with browsing performance so I don't find b2ram to be very useful personally..
On the other hand, bloatware removal could theoretically help with games since it might reduce memory fragmentation over time by reducing the number of apps and services running (I have done this but it hasn't had a measurable impact for me).
Also, be aware that build.prop tweaks do have a non-zero risk associated with them. I have soft bricked a TF before with a bad build.prop edit. Make sure you have a working adb/fastboot setup at the very least before doing a build.prop hack.
Something easy to try that might really work: Get FMR memory cleaner from the market. Run it before running your game. Also, if it is crashing right at startup try clearing its cache/data (you will lose any save games/data, if you do this, though).
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Just a heads up that browser 2 ram will not have any impact on gaming, it could even theoretically have a negative impact on it if it fragments memory or causes less to be available for other process somehow... but it should help www browsing that is limited by eMMC I/O. I do not have many issues with browsing performance so I don't find b2ram to be very useful personally..
On the other hand, bloatware removal could theoretically help with games since it might reduce memory fragmentation over time by reducing the number of apps and services running (I have done this but it hasn't had a measurable impact for me).
Also, be aware that build.prop tweaks do have a non-zero risk associated with them. I have soft bricked a TF before with a bad build.prop edit. Make sure you have a working adb/fastboot setup at the very least before doing a build.prop hack.
Something easy to try that might really work: Get FMR memory cleaner from the market. Run it before running your game. Also, if it is crashing right at startup try clearing its cache/data (you will lose any save games/data, if you do this, though).
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May be you can answer. What's the IO issue that you are facing right now? As I write more about this, and test... I am start getting a bit lost. Because when I had original two units back in July and August, I got constant ANR with browser, PDF file reading. System almost froze while I download applications from market.
I have stock with browser2ram, bloatware turned off, but no build.prop tweaks, and essentially don't see any of above anymore. The game I cannot play is simply I cannot. It's just not supported on this device. But games that runs, runs smoothly like Horn, which is probably one of the most high end graphics game right now until Unreal Engine 3 game released.
As far as your theory of eMMC affecting browser is something I am not so certain. Simply because if that is the case why would some browsers works much faster such as Firefox (which crashes too often so I don't use) but fast. Boat browser, which is stable and fast. Sure they are not as fast as Galaxy Note 10.1 stock browser, but in galaxy note 10.1, I didn't even noticed much difference in speed between the stock and other third party browsers. Sure sunspider test results were different but practical loading page speed, I couldn't tell the difference so I kept using stock on Note. Could this have been because better eMMC? I have a feeling not. Again because if that's the case all third party browser should be even much faster on that device. Would it be because of 2GB ram? Don't know. Could be but browser application demanding such huge RAM seem a bit too excessive. So my guess is actually Samsung's software. The touch wiz is highly customized on their platform like stock video player, stock browser can support multitask. So Samsung definitely went into source code level of those application and edited. So during that process, they may have optimized the browser. How can I confirm this? Probably no way unless I can talk to Samsung Developer, but it's probably same as the logic of blaming on eMMC.
Any tools to check which applications use I/O in the background?
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I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
My experience is that it is NOT slow and buggy.
I could compare it with an iPad3 last week and I think they are very close.
You can't compare it with a note because due to the much higher resolution the gpu has to do so much more computing. That is why the nexus7 is faster than the tf700 due to it's smaller screen AND resolution
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I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
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I'm on stock rom with browser2ram and force2gpu enabled. My table is very fast. Just remember before you flash a new rom, just do factory reset(data wipe 3 times). Also root is good (allow you to install rooted app like Titinium backup, SetcPU etc..), but don't unlock unless absolutely necessary (void your warranty), or you have time or like to play with custom rom.
Ok, sounds like I will root it then and try to tweak it, Im not satisfied with the speed with it sofar. Its seems stable now after I resetted it, before the reset, it crasched 2-10 times a day. My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
I plan to use it to write alot on, can you recommend a good office app? Or a browser that google docs work good with
Is games running good for you?? The new demanding ones I tried before resetting was really slow and laggy.
Thanx for the replys, I hope I get this baby running smoother
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Ok, sounds like I will root it then and try to tweak it, Im not satisfied with the speed with it sofar. Its seems stable now after I resetted it, before the reset, it crasched 2-10 times a day. My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
I plan to use it to write alot on, can you recommend a good office app? Or a browser that google docs work good with
Is games running good for you?? The new demanding ones I tried before resetting was really slow and laggy.
Thanx for the replys, I hope I get this baby running smoother
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Yes, all games, videos, pictures, and documents and apps are function normally. There are 3 most popular office apps:
1. Documents to go (this can view google docs also. Paid version only)
2. Kingsoft office
3. Polaris office (currently polaris has a bug with fonts).
My stock browser can view google docs fine. I think stock browser is the best in my opinion (have tried boat, chrome, mozilla etc...)
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My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
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The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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Well,
I guess I'm going to do the downgrade to ICS .30\root\then try the rootkreeper deal back to Belly Jean.
I really don't want to go thru all this, but if I want to keep chipping away trying to find a better Android experience then so be it.
Pain in the ass...
Thanx for the info! That was my biggest thoughts about the Infinity, "is the RAM enough?" and it isnt but then Ill just have to multitask less and try to tweak it. And perhaps dont install multipicture wallpaper.. but thats one of the things that I love about my Note
buhoitr: thanx for the suggestions, Ill try them and see
What rom would you suggest for getting the most out of the Infinity?
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The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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hobs0n said:
I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
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Hmmm, I've found mine to be quick and virtually bug-free, but then again I didn't buy it as a toy.
A little tweaking and I wouldn't call it slow. Even stock its a solid piece of equipment.
Apply data2sd mod built for CleanROM 2 after installing the ROM. You'll need a fast sd card.
Research the threads. The blob for data2sd for that ROM was just posted today.
look at my I/O!
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I own both the Infinity and the Acer a700 and after the a700 got JB earlier today, I will say that the Infinity lags more than the a700 (and I was very happy with the Infinity). Colour me shocked.
The only time I really ever experience any lag or sluggishness is when browsing. I will be rooting once there is a method discovered for Jelly Bean on the Infinity. I'd really like to give browser2ram a shot. I've heard it does wonders for browsing.
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Better than ever
Before i say thing, I will list the important things about my tablet - C7 model, Has been repaired for speaker issues & Jelly bean 4.1.1. I'd say TF700T is a powerful device, It lacks the software for it. I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever! I would even compare it to iPad 3:laugh: I'm running Stock Jelly bean with a bit of removing apps here and there.
I Don't know why everyone is having problems with such a decent device.
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Before i say thing, I will list the important things about my tablet - C7 model, Has been repaired for speaker issues & Jelly bean 4.1.1. I'd say TF700T is a powerful device, It lacks the software for it. I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever! I would even compare it to iPad 3:laugh: I'm running Stock Jelly bean with a bit of removing apps here and there.
I Don't know why everyone is having problems with such a decent device.
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I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
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I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
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Im rooted and installed CleanRom2.2 this morning and it is indeed faster and smoother i will try the tweaking you guys suggested later. It still lagged when i downloaded my spotify playlists while i was downloading youtube movies tho
okantomi said:
I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
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I think CleanROM 2.2 is the route I'm going to go too...that's if I can figure out how to do it without asking a bunch of dumbs**t questions.
Still reading about it in development.
I'm getting more and more disappointed with this TF700T each time I turn it on lately...
Did really dig it for a while...not anymore
Will i unlock? No...
Thats OK said:
I think CleanROM 2.2 is the route I'm going to go too...that's if I can figure out how to do it without asking a bunch of dumbs**t questions.
Still reading about it in development.
I'm getting more and more disappointed with this TF700T each time I turn it on lately...
Did really dig it for a while...not anymore
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If it was really laggy and something that i can't deal with i would unlock but since it feels flawless, I might stay. I don't give a crap about their warranty but i do care for my device (brick)
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I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever!
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It's the total opposite for me. ICS was fast and virtually lag-free. The latest updates to Jellybean my Infinity lags like nobody's business. Very disappointing. Looks like root'n'rom time.
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I'm on stock rom with browser2ram and force2gpu enabled.
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What is force2gpu?
(google seems to give irrelevant results).
Thx
squigs said:
What is force2gpu?
(google seems to give irrelevant results).
Thx
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If I may attempt an answer,
I believe that's a reference to the "force gpu rendering" in settings under developer options.
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I have read a lot of the I/O bottleneck problems about the TF700, and using Data2SD is the best alternative the development has to offer to solve this.
The question I have of concern is whether I should do this now or later? I have gotten myself a new replacement of the TF700, and successfully rooted, unlocked, and Inherited the Clean ROM Inheritance. Doing this is something I'm not sure I want to do now considering the internal is still running pretty okay right now.
If I do wait it out and then decide to do this, would it be too late? I'm just wondering would I get optimal speed of performance once utilize the Data2SD after the degradation of the internal?
Thanks.
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I have read a lot of the I/O bottleneck problems about the TF700, and using Data2SD is the best alternative the development has to offer to solve this.
The question I have of concern is whether I should do this now or later? I have gotten myself a new replacement of the TF700, and successfully rooted, unlocked, and Inherited the Clean ROM Inheritance. Doing this is something I'm not sure I want to do now considering the internal is still running pretty okay right now.
If I do wait it out and then decide to do this, would it be too late? I'm just wondering would I get optimal speed of performance once utilize the Data2SD after the degradation of the internal?
Thanks.
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Personally I think CROMI with browser2ram resolves most io problems.
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If I do wait it out and then decide to do this, would it be too late?
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No, you can switch to it whenever you want in the future without any restrictions.
Sbdags and _that are much, much more knowledgeable than teeny me, but I also think CROMI currently solves most problems that the 700 had at launch time. Some I/O issue will remain under the surface, but it's been fair sailing so far for me (admittedly, I did not have that much issue with it anyway ).
I tried getting data2sd to work -- curiosity finally won over cautiousness -- but I could not, for the love of all that is holy, get it work properly, at least not in the first six tries. Minitool ruined my microSD card, although Gparted was able to recover it. <phew> I then proceeded to install data2sd. Although apparently correctly installed, I noticed very little benefit.
As I said, it could be speculated that my microSD card is screwy (I'm shopping around for a new Sandisk 32 or 64 GB Class 10), and I would have nothing to base a denial on. A better card might have shown a tremendous degree of improvement, making me use my 700 so intensely that I'd drain all available power from the one nuclear power station in the Netherlands, making it melt-down all the way to China, making them retaliate, thus ending the world a few days late.
I doubt the latter, however, and will stick with CROMI as it is. Just great.
I use my tabby for the internet. Mail, youtube, browsing. Clean Rom and browser2ram has eliminated my io troubles. In fact, i'm running CR 2.72 and haven't bothered to upgrade because i just don't feel the need.
Plenty of folks have had luck with data2sd. I was not one of them. With two different cards, i had similiar results. It wouldn't run reliably for more than an hour.
Ologn said:
I use my tabby for the internet. Mail, youtube, browsing. Clean Rom and browser2ram has eliminated my io troubles. In fact, i'm running CR 2.72 and haven't bothered to upgrade because i just don't feel the need.
Plenty of folks have had luck with data2sd. I was not one of them. With two different cards, i had similiar results. It wouldn't run reliably for more than an hour.
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Probably not done right. I could do data2sd over and over again with my eyes closed and worked everytime!
i luv d2sd
buhohitr said:
Probably not done right. I could do data2sd over and over again with my eyes closed and worked everytime!
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haha, i even used minitools and it still worked!...
i am still using the tweaked recovery from fordwolden's thread and luv it!
downloading 2gb games and still surfin, grab a torrent,update apps,blah,blah..
yeh,sometimes you go too far and stop for 5sec: overall :good:
mine is permanent and just waiting for cards to catch up to ram/bus/cpu ,etc
I can now look into this, as my 64GB UHS-1 Sandisks arrived yesterday. They're now installed in the Infinity, and I want to play.
Soon enough, though, I might unlock and try Cromi....
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I'm somewhat convinced about using CROMI. I've tried browsing around, and I'm not sure I'm getting anywhere with finding a thread that discloses all details about it. If someone can link me the details, I would really appreciate it!
GigaSPX said:
I'm somewhat convinced about using CROMI. I've tried browsing around, and I'm not sure I'm getting anywhere with finding a thread that discloses all details about it. If someone can link me the details, I would really appreciate it!
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Here you go bro: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2049274
GigaSPX said:
I have read a lot of the I/O bottleneck problems about the TF700, and using Data2SD is the best alternative the development has to offer to solve this.
The question I have of concern is whether I should do this now or later? I have gotten myself a new replacement of the TF700, and successfully rooted, unlocked, and Inherited the Clean ROM Inheritance. Doing this is something I'm not sure I want to do now considering the internal is still running pretty okay right now.
If I do wait it out and then decide to do this, would it be too late? I'm just wondering would I get optimal speed of performance once utilize the Data2SD after the degradation of the internal?
Thanks.
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I still get lag when downloading apps in particular when its trying to install after it downloads. Also transition lag in opening apps is still there as well as scrolling though the recent app list but mainly when youre in the home screen or again while apps are installing. Games still lag as well from time to time. But games do open faster.
The only advantage I see with the data2sd is app opens slightly faster like heavy HD games. IMO data2sd is not a must if you're already running CROMI as it doesn't make a lot of difference.
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aznmode said:
I still get lag when downloading apps in particular when its trying to install after it downloads. Also transition lag in opening apps is still there as well as scrolling though the recent app list but mainly when youre in the home screen or again while apps are installing. Games still lag as well from time to time. But games do open faster.
The only advantage I see with the data2sd is app opens slightly faster like heavy HD games. IMO data2sd is not a must if you're already running CROMI as it doesn't make a lot of difference.
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I felt pretty newbie asking about what CROMI is when I didn't realize it stands for Clean ROM Inheritance. Not only that, but I also have Browser2RAM installed not too long ago.
Anyway, I really don't have any HD Games to boot into my tablet yet since I don't see a lot of choices offered in my interest. If doing data2sd really isn't of importance, then I guess my question is resolved. Thanks guys!