I Want The Pro So Bad I Can Taste It - Microsoft Surface

Anyone hear about a release date when they picked up their Surface RT? I understand why they staggered the release but it doesn't make the wait any easier.

bmstrong said:
Anyone hear about a release date when they picked up their Surface RT? I understand why they staggered the release but it doesn't make the wait any easier.
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Picked up a Surface RT for my brother today, when I asked about the Pro, they told me that they had been told the Pro will launch 90 days after (so 88 days left now). This lines up with "early 2013", though the rep said she was expecting it to be around Christmas originally. I think the pricing will be like this (my own speculation after the RT pricing)
Surface RT (w/o TouchCover) 32GB - $499
Surface RT (w/ TouchCover) 32GB - $599
Surface RT (w/TouchCover) 64GB - $699
Surface Pro (w/ TouchCover + Pen) 64GB $799-$899
Surface Pro (w/ TouchCover + Pen) 128GB $899-$999

dnlsmy said:
Picked up a Surface RT for my brother today, when I asked about the Pro, they told me that they had been told the Pro will launch 90 days after (so 88 days left now). This lines up with "early 2013", though the rep said she was expecting it to be around Christmas originally. I think the pricing will be like this (my own speculation after the RT pricing)
Surface RT (w/o TouchCover) 32GB - $499
Surface RT (w/ TouchCover) 32GB - $599
Surface RT (w/TouchCover) 64GB - $699
Surface Pro (w/ TouchCover + Pen) 64GB $799-$899
Surface Pro (w/ TouchCover + Pen) 128GB $899-$999
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As much as I'd love your estimations to be true, I can't see the Pro selling for only $100 more than the 64GB RT, especially given the fact that the type cover alone costs more than $100.

I would expect more in the rage of 1000$ for the 64 and 1100$ for the 128. I am happy to be proven wrong tough
Although I'm European so we will likely get shafted by paying 1,5 times the price probably 1200 euro for the 128 gb pro

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What do you think the price will be?

Okay there's 2 versions and no price, what is your estimate of what the official price will be when the surface is released?
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Ballmer said that the prices will be competitive with other tablets (Surface "RT" is a premium one) and ultrabooks (mainstream ultrabooks usually have i5 processors, but that screen shall be expensive) so I think that:
Surface RT = US$500,00 - just to catch up with the iPad, frankly the only successful premium tablet on the market
Surface i5 = US$1000,00 - A little higher than other Windows ultrabooks, because of the better screen and casing
a lot.
I REALLY HOPE that i5 model is $1000, it looks neat on paper, it is competitive with air and other ultrabooks. I mean i REALLY dig the PEN INPUT!! I am gonna love doing some art stuff on this and waste a **** load of time.
has to be under 550
to make me wanna get rid of my Transformer or let my son use it, though I am very interested in the surface tablet
My guess is that:
RT = $500
i5 = $900
Trewyy said:
My guess is that:
RT = $500
i5 = $900
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This is about what I think as well, I personally think the i5 will be (just) under $1000 so that it can get more sales. Remembering of course that these are Microsofts first tablets made by them they will not want anything that expensive that nobody will make the purchase.
Surface RT = US$700.00
Surface i5 = US$1200.00
I think the fact that is a new idea and new product alone makes the price a lot more than what it actually should be... I think it might be more expensive, but I don't want to get too crazy with my guessing
i hope the surface can be cheap because if it s very expensive, i think i buy a tablet with atom processor (viewsonic for 2750 yuan, or lenovo pad1 or hasee)
I think the price will be
Surface RT - 400-450$
Surface i5 - 600-700$
Intel announced to produce much cheaper Ultrabooks in a Pricerange about 700$
So Surface should land in same range...
I'm German, so excuse my bad language
PS: In another Forum i saw announcements of priceranges between 399$(RT) and 499$(i5) for its cheapest productversion...there would be some stupid looks from the competitors
That seems to say its only for celeron processors though
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Oh..didnt see that ... -.-
nevertheless i hope that the tablets will be as cheap as possible...i dont have 1000$ for an tablet
*Igel* said:
Oh..didnt see that ... -.-
nevertheless i hope that the tablets will be as cheap as possible...i dont have 1000$ for an tablet
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Once you reach $1000, it's not technically the same tablet as we know of now. It'll be an ultratablet. So basically, an ultrabook with a detachable keyboard.
I do really like the Surface Pro because of the two digitizers and the Windows 8 Pro OS Version. I were always looking for a smaller mobile device for note taking and sometimes to deliver presentations. I planned to get a Windows 8 convertible but now MS announced this I'm willing to pay between 500€ and 600€ for this device. If it is more expensive I will go with a convertible. A full convertible would offer more connections (more USB, HDMI, etc.) and most likely a drive for optical media as well. On a side note, I'm interest how the cooling works on the Windows Surface Pro and how it will work out over a few years.
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I'm interest how the cooling works on the Windows Surface Pro and how it will work out over a few years.
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In the keynote they actually say how the cooling works, and i think it was some special form of cooling but I can't exactly remember, we check about halfway through the live coverage on the verge, they say how it works
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I would think $599 for the RT, and $899 for the Pro.
This depends upon the inclusion, or lack there of, of the keyboard accessories. Those would make the price higher IMO.
I think the price will be
Surface RT - 400-500$
Surface i5 - 800-900$
I think that if the RT version aims to be a true iPad competitor, the price needs to be at least $50-$100 less than the 3rd-gen. iPad. I think $450 is the sweet spot. I think the x86 version will be somewhere between $800-$1000.
I'm thinking in order for Microsoft to compete with the Ipad, they are really going to have to keep the price as low as possible. IPad has so much name recognition, that people are usually going to choose it over the Surface just for that reason. I've heard pretty good things about windows phones, but only actually know one person that uses one.
I wouldn't pay more than 700 bucks for a tablet.

Windows RT....$200?!

According to a source at engadget.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/14/microsoft-surface-199/?icid=eng_latest_art
If it's true, then I am pre-ordering one!
I am still waiting for pricing on the pro but this sounds sweet, why not get both!
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Now if the Pro were so nicely priced...
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I am still waiting for pricing on the pro but this sounds sweet, why not get both!
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ronaldheld said:
Now if the Pro were so nicely priced...
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I was waiting for the pro as well but how is this even remotely possible to be the price. A 10 inch tablet with decent specs . I will definitely buy at that price and if it stinks the kids will get it and its on to the pro for me.
I refuse to believe it. I'm still expecting $499 or around there and won't believe such ridiculously low prices unless they come with loads, and I mean loads, of evidence.
Yeah I sadly have to agree, especially since there aren't any other news sources corroborating the rumor. I would expect a price of at least $400 on this--although $199 would be awfully nice...
If it's $199 there needs to be some pay-off - a way to make the money back. When they did this with the Xbox they made money back from Xbox Live subs and software sales. In the case of Surface, if it costs $300 to bring each unit to market and they then go on to sell them for $199, they're gong to need to make at least $100 off each user. This won't happen from Windows Store revenue alone; Microsoft only bag a 30% cut (so on average, users would need to spend over $300 on the Store just to break even). They could be looking at a subscription model like the $99 Xbox 360? But what would they include? More SkyDrive storage? Office 365? Xbox Music? Unlike with the Xbox, there isn't any essential subscription to add on.
You forgett one thing. Market shares. How do you put a price on market share. The next model will have x amount of free sales depends of success and marketshare by surface.
It could easily be 200. Amazon did it with the Kindle and made thier money from book sales.
Microsoft will make it back in software from the surface store. That is if they get a solid backing from devs.
As was said above. Maybe I'll get this and get the pro after release.
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groaner said:
It could easily be 200. Amazon did it with the Kindle and made thier money from book sales.
Microsoft will make it back in software from the surface store. That is if they get a solid backing from devs.
As was said above. Maybe I'll get this and get the pro after release.
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Kindle Fire:
7" Display
1024 x 600 resolution
Last gen (even at the time it was released) 1 GHz dual-core A9 processor
512 MB RAM
8 GB storage
Micro-USB
No SD slot
No camera
Plastic
Surface RT:
10.6" Display
Likely 1080p resolution (or greater)
Full-sized USB
Micro SD slot
Built in kickstand
2 cameras
Proprietary VaporMg casing (vapor-deposited magnesium)
32 GB or 64 GB storage
Tegra 3+ likely
1-2 GB RAM
The Surface RT is not even remotely comparable to the Kindle Fire, and for that matter, even the Nexus 7, and people need to stop comparing those low-grade tablets to the RT. The only official thing we know about pricing from MS is that it is supposed to be priced similarly to comparable ARM tablets. Comparable ARM tablets are in the $499+ range, not anywhere near $200.
http://www.pc-tablet.com/4441-microsoft-surface-rt-tablet-200/
The casing and glass alone of the Surface RT is expected to cost $150. The entire BOM of the Kindle Fire was approximately $200. The BOM of the Surface RT should well exceed $300. It wouldn't just have to have a subscription model to be sold at $199, it would have to have a ridiculous subscription model to be sold at that price.
No one has even mentioned the other main red flag that pops up with this ridiculous rumored price: brand image. A $200 price tag is the absolute best thing for MS... if their main goal is to kill brand image. Yea, release hardware that is on par with $499-$699 devices and sell it for $200, that it just perfect if your goal is to cheapen brand image.
There's only 2 likely things to happen: 1) these low prices rumors are a bunch of BS (most likely), 2) an unexpectedly low price will be the actual price and it will be subsidized by a ludicrous subscription model.
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Kindle Fire:
7" Display
1024 x 600 resolution
Last gen (even at the time it was released) 1 GHz dual-core A9 processor
512 MB RAM
8 GB storage
Micro-USB
No SD slot
No camera
Plastic
Surface RT:
10.6" Display
Likely 1080p resolution (or greater)
Full-sized USB
Micro SD slot
Built in kickstand
2 cameras
Proprietary VaporMg casing (vapor-deposited magnesium)
32 GB or 64 GB storage
Tegra 3+ likely
1-2 GB RAM
The Surface RT is not even remotely comparable to the Kindle Fire, and for that matter, even the Nexus 7, and people need to stop comparing those low-grade tablets to the RT. The only official thing we know about pricing from MS is that it is supposed to be priced similarly to comparable ARM tablets. Comparable ARM tablets are in the $499+ range, not anywhere near $200.
http://www.pc-tablet.com/4441-microsoft-surface-rt-tablet-200/
The casing and glass alone of the Surface RT is expected to cost $150. The entire BOM of the Kindle Fire was approximately $200. The BOM of the Surface RT should well exceed $300. It wouldn't just have to have a subscription model to be sold at $199, it would have to have a ridiculous subscription model to be sold at that price.
No one has even mentioned the other main red flag that pops up with this ridiculous rumored price: brand image. A $200 price tag is the absolute best thing for MS... if their main goal is to kill brand image. Yea, release hardware that is on par with $499-$699 devices and sell it for $200, that it just perfect if your goal is to cheapen brand image.
There's only 2 likely things to happen: 1) these low prices rumors are a bunch of BS (most likely), 2) an unexpectedly low price will be the actual price and it will be subsidized by a ludicrous subscription model.
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The Surface RT has a resolution of 1,366 x 768.
there is something here that just doesnt make sense
why is there a huge price difference
the new intel atoms will be fanless
so i dont see how it will be that more expensive
i guess they are pushing ARM tablets/Win8 for market adoption purposes
The Janitor Mop said:
Kindle Fire:
7" Display
1024 x 600 resolution
Last gen (even at the time it was released) 1 GHz dual-core A9 processor
512 MB RAM
8 GB storage
Micro-USB
No SD slot
No camera
Plastic
Surface RT:
10.6" Display
Likely 1080p resolution (or greater)
Full-sized USB
Micro SD slot
Built in kickstand
2 cameras
Proprietary VaporMg casing (vapor-deposited magnesium)
32 GB or 64 GB storage
Tegra 3+ likely
1-2 GB RAM
The Surface RT is not even remotely comparable to the Kindle Fire, and for that matter, even the Nexus 7, and people need to stop comparing those low-grade tablets to the RT. The only official thing we know about pricing from MS is that it is supposed to be priced similarly to comparable ARM tablets. Comparable ARM tablets are in the $499+ range, not anywhere near $200.
http://www.pc-tablet.com/4441-microsoft-surface-rt-tablet-200/
The casing and glass alone of the Surface RT is expected to cost $150. The entire BOM of the Kindle Fire was approximately $200. The BOM of the Surface RT should well exceed $300. It wouldn't just have to have a subscription model to be sold at $199, it would have to have a ridiculous subscription model to be sold at that price.
No one has even mentioned the other main red flag that pops up with this ridiculous rumored price: brand image. A $200 price tag is the absolute best thing for MS... if their main goal is to kill brand image. Yea, release hardware that is on par with $499-$699 devices and sell it for $200, that it just perfect if your goal is to cheapen brand image.
There's only 2 likely things to happen: 1) these low prices rumors are a bunch of BS (most likely), 2) an unexpectedly low price will be the actual price and it will be subsidized by a ludicrous subscription model.
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It has already been announced that Intel tabs are gonna be $300 more than their RT counterparts. I'll edit with source as soon as I can.
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Dadstar said:
It has already been announced that Intel tabs are gonna be $300 more than their RT counterparts. I'll edit with source as soon as I can.
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http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/17/windows-8-rt-tablets-to-sell-for-300-less-says-lenovo/ I've got your source right here :thumbup:
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The Case for the $200 Surface RT Tablet
So we've heard about rumor. Along with the arguments. The prevailing chatter is that it's "too good to be true," that MS wouldn't be dumb enough to lose its shirt selling the RT tab for well under its cost, that it would damage its "brand image," that it would antagonize its partners, etc. etc.
All with good common sense, to be sure. We should heed the conventional wisdom of never selling below cost, and never upsetting our business partners, no?
It's also the conventional wisdom that Win RT, as version 1.0, will be buggy--against the polished, popular, and entrenched iPad. It's conventional to think that with a handful of apps, RT can't compete with iPad's established ecosystem. And it's very conventional to think that a "normally" priced Surface RT (same as iPad 2 or 3) will surely fail because of all these disadvantages. Again, conventional wisdom.
So, if following conventional wisdom, RT is doomed to a sure failure. And how much money will MS lose if RT fails? Would MS even survive if its touch initiative fails? How much money is MS' survival worth?
That's really the question to ask. Rather than worrying about a petty pittance of a loss leader, we should ask, how can MS succeed in its competition against the iPad. See the forest, not the trees.
There's one surefire way to sell tablets, no matter what the disadvantages: CHEAP. HP has proved it with the TouchPad. Amazon and Google did the same for the KF and N7. So MS will lose a few millions, or tens or hundreds of millions in a $199 Surface RT. Ask: Would MS lose more if RT fails? If MS itself fails?
How much did MS pay to Nokia to prop up Windows Phone? A few BILLION dollars? Is WP more important than RT? How much did MS invest in B&N Nook? A few HUNDRED MILLION dollars? Are ebooks more important than RT?
That's what the $199 Surface RT tablet would mean: An investment in MS' continued survival.
Now, to cover some of the arguments raised against it:
. It would damage its "brand image": As of now, Surface has no image to uphold. It's a new brand. And before you worry about "image" so much, think of the damage if Surface flops, just as all of the prior like-priced Android tabs that flopped. Should we worry about the brand image of the Zune? Or Kin?
. It would upset OEMs: And...what? They'll abandon Windows to support other platforms? Like they've ALREADY TRIED with Android, and Linux before that? Where else are they going to go? Apple?
People raised the cliched argument that you can't compete against your partners. It's bollocks. Businesses compete and cooperate with each other all the time. The term is coopetition. Look it up. (also try: frenemy). MS would not be alone in this. Google has already done this with the Nexus 7, and the Motorola acquisition.
As of now, there is no market for Windows RT. You can't have competitors if there's no market. Someone has to establish a market, and it can only be done by MS. Selling the Surface RT for $199 is one good way to do that.
This isn't to say that the $199 RT tablet will, or should happen. But it's a plausible option, and one I'm sure MS is pondering upon. Regardless of whatever failings it may have, MS still has good enough management who can see the forest, and ignore the hoi polloi worrying about a few measly trees.
e.mote said:
So we've heard about rumor. Along with the arguments. The prevailing chatter is that it's "too good to be true," that MS wouldn't be dumb enough to lose its shirt selling the RT tab for well under its cost, that it would damage its "brand image," that it would antagonize its partners, etc. etc.
All with good common sense, to be sure. We should heed the conventional wisdom of never selling below cost, and never upsetting our business partners, no?
It's also the conventional wisdom that Win RT, as version 1.0, will be buggy--against the polished, popular, and entrenched iPad. It's conventional to think that with a handful of apps, RT can't compete with iPad's established ecosystem. And it's very conventional to think that a "normally" priced Surface RT (same as iPad 2 or 3) will surely fail because of all these disadvantages. Again, conventional wisdom.
So, if following conventional wisdom, RT is doomed to a sure failure. And how much money will MS lose if RT fails? Would MS even survive if its touch initiative fails? How much money is MS' survival worth?
That's really the question to ask. Rather than worrying about a petty pittance of a loss leader, we should ask, how can MS succeed in its competition against the iPad. See the forest, not the trees.
There's one surefire way to sell tablets, no matter what the disadvantages: CHEAP. HP has proved it with the TouchPad. Amazon and Google did the same for the KF and N7. So MS will lose a few millions, or tens or hundreds of millions in a $199 Surface RT. Ask: Would MS lose more if RT fails? If MS itself fails?
How much did MS pay to Nokia to prop up Windows Phone? A few BILLION dollars? Is WP more important than RT? How much did MS invest in B&N Nook? A few HUNDRED MILLION dollars? Are ebooks more important than RT?
That's what the $199 Surface RT tablet would mean: An investment in MS' continued survival.
Now, to cover some of the arguments raised against it:
. It would damage its "brand image": As of now, Surface has no image to uphold. It's a new brand. And before you worry about "image" so much, think of the damage if Surface flops, just as all of the prior like-priced Android tabs that flopped. Should we worry about the brand image of the Zune? Or Kin?
. It would upset OEMs: And...what? They'll abandon Windows to support other platforms? Like they've ALREADY TRIED with Android, and Linux before that? Where else are they going to go? Apple?
People raised the cliched argument that you can't compete against your partners. It's bollocks. Businesses compete and cooperate with each other all the time. The term is coopetition. Look it up. (also try: frenemy). MS would not be alone in this. Google has already done this with the Nexus 7, and the Motorola acquisition.
As of now, there is no market for Windows RT. You can't have competitors if there's no market. Someone has to establish a market, and it can only be done by MS. Selling the Surface RT for $199 is one good way to do that.
This isn't to say that the $199 RT tablet will, or should happen. But it's a plausible option, and one I'm sure MS is pondering upon. Regardless of whatever failings it may have, MS still has good enough management who can see the forest, and ignore the hoi polloi worrying about a few measly trees.
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markets:
laptop
ultra tiny pc
some phone (since wp7 didn't happen)
ipad ( like it or not, ownage)
some android 10" tab
some Android 7" tab
ohhhhhhh loooook 4.5" phone/tab!
wayyyyy up there, ultra tiny laptops happened. they run full windows ( or Linux, or Mac os, or bad) and cost $239.
where is the market for a ultra ultra tiny, non-full-os, fragile, too big to pocket ... machine?
the pro/dev device makes more sense, but surface at $5-700 , the ipad is a 800 lb gorilla in the room again, and much cheaper.
edited, guessing surface price lower
emote: very good, convincing points. I am now convinced that MS just might do this. $199 cheap? I'm still very hesitant, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised anymore if they released it at around $300 and not the $500 I have been expecting.
I still think $199 cheapens brand image. You have to understand what I mean: of course it isn't coming in and making an already established, and presumably high quality, brand cheaper. Yes, it is the first product of its brand for MS. What I mean is that it is coming in and instantly making that brand cheap. So, instead of cheapening an already established thing, it is the establishing thing and it is establishing the image of that brand as cheap out of the gates. Most $199 tablets are small. The Surface RT will be compared to the iPad because it is iPad sized. When people look at them side by side, and see the Surface is less than half the cost, they will absolutely you-cannot-contradict-this think it must be inferior to the iPad.
Basically: Apple has been building BMWs for a while. MS is just now entering the car game, and their first model is an Audi, on par with Apple's BMW. Except MS priced it like a Honda, and so everyone is confused and thinks Apple's BMW must be way better.
>I still think $199 cheapens brand image...it is the establishing thing and it is establishing the image of that brand as cheap out of the gates
Do you think Google's Nexus brand is cheapened because of the $199 N7? How about any subsequent tablet from HP because of the $99 TouchPad? Do you expect every HP tablet to be $99 from now on?
The first priority is the product's success, and whatever else comes after. If Surface RT flops, it won't matter what its brand image is.
For MS, even the product (Surface) isn't as important as the market. If Surface needs to be the sacrificial lamb so MS can establish Win RT, then it will happen. An easy fix to that is for Surface to become a "cheap" brand, and to establish a new "premium" brand. Remember, there is yet no equity invested in the Surface name.
>When people look at them side by side, and see the Surface is less than half the cost, they will absolutely you-cannot-contradict-this think it must be inferior to the iPad.
Then using your example, a Honda must be inferior to a BMW, since it costs less?
Obviously, that's not true in every aspect, or even in many aspects. The Honda is better in some things--reliability, practicality, fuel efficiency, bang/buck, etc. Each caters to a different demographic. Similarly, Nexus 7 can do some things better than iPad, and some worse. It's not as popular, but "inferior" is not in the perception mix. Ditto for a $199 RT if that happens.
How MS prices the RT depends on what it wants to do with the Surface line. If Surface was intended as a tech template for OEMs to follow rather than to grab market share, then price will be ~$500, and sales will be lackluster. But if the rumor is true of 3 million Surface tablets being made, this isn't the intent.
By tying the tablet platform to its Windows cash cow, MS was hoping to leverage the Windows userbase to push its tablet effort. But many indications are that Win8 itself will have a mixed reception, so it has no coattail to ride. There is precious little else MS can use to establish WinRT as a platform, other than going for low price. Google did the same for Nexus 7, and it's working so far.
I agree that a $199 RT isn't cast in stone, but it looks to be under consideration, rather than being another net rumor. Acer's CEO didn't just pull the $199 price point out of a hat in his rant against Surface. He must have been privy to the memo.
car analogies.... great!
toyota, honda introduce hybrids. not really electric, not really full size... ape **** demand, they sell and run forever.
skip forward TEN PLUS YEARS
Chevrolet: HEY LOOK WE MADE A HYBRID TOO!!! (fanfare, loud lies about paying back the loan, loud promises about being a new, swift corporation)
no one cares.
the price point matters about as much as if its painted brown or beige. getting to market while there still is indecision is the key. there is very little indecision now, today, when people look for a tablet.
ipad ... owns
someandroidthing..... 2nd place
surface ..... customer Google's, sees its really a $40000 table, not a tablet... back to I pad vs android.
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Surface RT second hand value

I am looking to sell my 64Gb Surface RT. What do people here think the second hand value would be with a touch cover in the UK? And was I silly to wait until after the Pro was launched to do this? I am not buying a Pro though, just selling out.
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The Jones said:
I am looking to sell my 64Gb Surface RT. What do people here think the second hand value would be with a touch cover in the UK? And was I silly to wait until after the Pro was launched to do this? I am not buying a Pro though, just selling out.
Thanks
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A quick eBay search seems to point to 600 to 700 eur (which is equal to or exceeding the -NEW- US price, I might add.)
Prices seem to vary. One went on another forum yesterday for £340. eBay seems to be around £420 but then there's fees etc. I'm looking to buy a 64GB myself so done quite a bit of searching over the last 24 hours seeing what prices are like.

Nexus 7 (2012) vs Microsoft Surface RT (But for half the price)

So I have the Nexus 7 since November and I love it! I paid 250€ for it, and bought it a 30€ Real leather Cover and a bamboo stylus (which I don't use much) .
But now there is a Huge oportunity to get the surface.
At my University they are selling (only for students) Microsoft Surfaces RT for only 240€ (with the touch cover).
I know i'm able to sell the Nexus 7 (plus a real leather cover and a bamboo stylus) for a good price (I have friends who want to buy one). But I don't know if this is a good choice.
Should I ditch the GNex and go for the Surface?
As of today (September 2013) is the Windows Store getting more "mature" or still the same?
Because when the Surface was launched the Windows Store was pretty weak compared to Google Play.
Thanks In Advance

General Pixel 7 Orders Open

Made an order for a black 256gb 7 Pro. $999 minus $540 trade in for a 6 Pro in 256gb and also received a $200 Google store credit promotion.
I got my order in! 2 black 256gb. 1 for me and my girl.
Hazel, 512GB here. $275 for a Pixel 3XL trade is not too shabby, considering they are going for well under $200 on Swappa. Guess I can use the $200 credit for a tablet, or nest device.
Hazel here. Something different as the last 6 Pixels were black.
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Hazel, 512GB here. $275 for a Pixel 3XL trade is not too shabby, considering they are going for well under $200 on Swappa. Guess I can use the $200 credit for a tablet, or nest device.
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Here in Canada, they're offering a whopping $71 for 3XL. Why bother?
I did a 256gb snow from Best Buy in the USA. This is the first time I have a viable trade in option (pixel 6 128gb) so I signed up for that too but we'll see what the final offer is. My pixel 6 is pristine but I'll wait for the in person offer and decide - $480 seems high and I just don't trust anything these days. Got the $200 e-gift card for my mac mini purchase down the road. Hopefully no faulty first device like my Pixel 6 that I had to return and the 2nd one worked like it should have.
Got mine from the Google store. Traded in my P6P for $480. Here's to hoping that the radio is better on the P7P.
In the UK the trade in was £320 for P6P so not worth (when £500 on ebay) it but i assume thats because the watch comes with pre orders, which makes it a really good deal. Upgraded on the strength of the macro and zoom lenses and hoping the caonectivity/modem is better
Preorderded the 128GB in black with EE, and will get the Pixel Watch LTE chucked into that for free
Does anyone have modem information used on the P7P?
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Does anyone have modem information used on the P7P?
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Google hasn't offered any info yet, there is just the leak/romour that the P7 Pro will use a new/unannounced Samsung Exynos 5300 modem.
According to
First details of Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro come roaring out: 2nd-gen Tensor, new Samsung modem
9to5Google has uncovered concrete details of the Pixel 7 and 7 Pro, including the devices’ codenames, Tensor chip, and Samsung modem.
9to5google.com
"GS201 chip will feature a – currently unreleased – Samsung modem with the model number “g5300b.” For comparison, the Pixel 6 lists its modem as “g5123b,” which is the Exynos Modem 5123. Given the model number, we believe Google’s second-generation Tensor chip will have the Exynos Modem 5300"
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Since Google doesn't offer any info on their website about the modem, we'll probably have to wait for a teardown/review where the modem either gets read out in software, or someone takes the phone apart and can tell us what's inside.
Still in wait and watch mode.... for now.
Ordered White P7P and Matte Watch. I'll take the $480 from Google for my P6P and use the $200 for Buds Pro.
P7P 256GB Hazel (time to mix it up a bit: all my prior phones have been black) and P7 128GB Obsidian. $400 credit (=$800 total) at the Google Store for each of two Pixel 5s 128GB.
What's the consensus on the color for the 7 Pro?
I just pre-ordered snow (or white), but the hazel with bronze accent looks really good also.
P7P 128 Obsidian here.
I preordered a Pixel 7 Pro 256GB in Hazel with a free Pixel Watch LTE from the UK Google Store. That was too good an offer to pass up.
rester555 said:
Got mine from the Google store. Traded in my P6P for $480. Here's to hoping that the radio is better on the P7P.
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BestBuy has better trade-in for P6P.
94b20gsr said:
Made an order for a black 256gb 7 Pro. $999 minus $540 trade in for a 6 Pro in 256gb and also received a $200 Google store credit promotion.
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I am in the same boat as you. I grabbed a Snow P7P 256GB model and am trading in my Black P6P 256GB. The remaining price had disgruntled me at first, however, I couldn't resist doing the upgrade to what appears to be a device that has the few extra features that would cause the phone to be perfect for 2-3 years of my usage.
I am, however, still rather worried about the colors... I was so torn between the Snow and Hazel models - and I don't know if going with the white one was the wrong/right choice... I can't really see them in person first and so I'm torn by only getting to see a few quick glimpses of the backs of the phones in some of the online video overviews...
P7P on pre-order with LTE watch as gift on O2 UK

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