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Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
i9apps said:
Because I know they made it to tablets and PC
Does it even possible?
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No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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never say never !! They alredy showd a demo on a Tegra2 tablet
Maroon Mushroom said:
No, it isn't possible. The TF2 on the other hand should be able to handle it just fine.
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Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Paran0idAndr0id said:
Can you back up what you saying. Is it because you say so? Do you have any links or so to backup your comment? I thought it doesnt need much resources or much lesser as win 7. Even the older intel atom silicons will run on it and with 1 gig ram. If I am wrong please correct me
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Just what i am thinking
Would be cool to have some programs that haven't got a open source counter part
But then the next question would be how to have Android Ubuntu and windows 8 lol
I'd probably choose Ubuntu if couldn't have all three windows is what the desktops for after all
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It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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There is no such think as a desktop version of Windows 8. Everything is one version - it is only that they have only released x84/64 versions for download as of now.
Nothing is stopping you having an ARM desktop PC if that's what you choose. It's just a processor - nothing to do with form factor.
my tf is going to run win8.
earlyberd said:
It's not likely to happen unless Microsoft decides to offer an OEM installer of the tablet version of the OS. The current state of tablets and phones is that all of these devices come pre-installed with an OS, with no ability to change which OS is installed without hacking it and voiding the warranty as reflected in the TOS or EULA of the devices. You are sold the device as is with no support from the manufacturer for installing third party software.
The only reason we can still install Android on devices like the iPhone and HP TouchPad is because Android is open source, which allows independent developers to custom tailor the OS to new hardware. Microsoft Windows is not open source, and therefore the burden lies upon Microsoft to work with the manufacturers to develop an inventory of working drivers and bootloaders for full Windows 8 support on tablets.
If you buy a PC without Windows already installed on it, you need an OEM installer disc to install the OS. There is no such thing offered by Microsoft for Windows Phone 7, there has not been any word of a similar solution when Windows 8 hits tablets and phones, nor does there exist consumer phones and tablets that can be bought without an OS pre-installed. For now, only the desktop version of Windows 8 will be installable on third party or custom hardware.
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These are really good points. But, since MS is already behind on installing OS on about a billion devices I think Windows 8 is a great opportunity to change their current policy and release an installable iso for ARM, Tegra 2 & 3, i5 & i7, etc. That is my opinion.
But, I would not bet on it.
In other news, I hear lipstick sales are on the rise.
LOL
For your information:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/...-8-developer-program-with-support-for-kal-el/
Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
Lawliet said:
Possibly! Since Windows 8 will run on ARM devices and Tegra2 is an ARM device.
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From this link it says the Arm version isn't available yet because it is not finished, isn't Tegra 2 an Arm version?
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/hands-on-windows-8-review-1025259
As expected, Microsoft is using its Build developer conference to distribute a pre-beta, developer preview version of Windows 8 (for x86 PCs only; the hardware to run the ARM version on isn't finished yet).
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If this becomes available for the TF then I will finally have a reason to root the device, dual booting with windows 8 will be a killer. The specs on the the TF should be fine, dual core with 1 gig ram. Moreover it is an optimized touch interface, I can't see myself running to buy a 23 inch touch panel for my desktop just to use Windows 8 as it was designed. Jeez, I will go blind having such a big monitor at arms length.
I can go out today and purchase a retail copy of Windows 7 that I can install on any Intel-based system with the required specs. That's true because the entire PC industry is built around such capabilities.
Will they release a retail copy of ARM-based Windows 8? I dunno. Do they sell embedded versions of Windows at retail? I could see them only selling ARM versions of Windows 8 to OEMs, who custom-install it on their ARM devices. Does that mean it could be made to run on something like the Transformer? I have no idea, but I trust the ingenuity of devs to get it done if it's even remotely possible.
Does that mean I'd use it, if there were no official support? Perhaps not, because these are tools for me as opposed to "just" hobbies. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But I would absolutely use it if Asus were to provide the option and support it.
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windows is what the desktops for after all
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Not really... Windows 8 seems touch optimized IMO. in fact i found it a bit annoying to use on my laptop, nevertheless awesome so I'm keeping Windows 8.
Who is the target market that Microsoft is aiming for with this new OS?
I just don't see traditional PC users running to the stores to upgrade their monitors with touch interface staring at a 24 inch, 1 foot from their face, nor PC users getting used to the Metro interface with no right click traditional mouse support. Let alone the costs of those touch monitors.
If their targeting tablet users I doubt they will make much headway against Apple loyalists so they will go after Android? Android is free, there are little costs associated with the manufactures in using the Android OS, if Samsung, Asus, Acer, toshiba decides to abandon Android and use Windows 8 they will be upping the price for their tablets, would customers pay a premium for an unproven OS? Windows 8 still uses much of Windows 7 core, what about the batt drain?
The more I think about it, I doubt we will get any port over to existing tablets.
The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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The only way I see windows 8 really taking a hold in the tablet field is if it can somehow run traditional x86 windows programs on the arm based version. Otherwise it really has nothing to gain over the competition.
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This is it, precisely. Microsoft has said that all Windows apps will run on the ARM version. So, imagine this: a Transformer (2? 3?) with a keyboard dock option and an active digitizer/pen, that can run both tablet-style apps and full-fledged Windows apps.
This would be the absolute best of both worlds: the convenient, instant-on, long-running "casual" tablet device mainly for consumption and light content creation, in a lightweight format that's easy to use in any situation. And that offers precise pen input (which was always outstanding on Windows Tablet PCs) for handwritten notes, diagrams, drawings, etc. Then, pop it in the dock for real work with complete network connectivity, robust file system support, full-sized apps like Office, etc.
If Microsoft gets this right, Windows 8 could be an incredibly compelling platform.
Nvidia has stated that they wish to branch the tegra platform out to desktops. This means that either they are guessing or already know that the operating system will be available in retail form at some point for ARM cpus (at least the way I see it).
as for our particular tablet that probably depends a lot on the manufactures of the hardware components for it and or Asus. The tegra2 SoC does not contain every little thing that is on a tablet. The touch screen controllers, the cameras, the proprietary ports, drive interfaces, and even some of the memory controllers are external of the SoC. The companies that make the drivers for some of these devices will need to release windows 8 ARM versions of their drivers. Now just guessing, I suspect that will happen.
I really don't see MS just releasing an embedded version of windows 8 for the arm platform. More than likely they see it as another path for desktops and laptops and will release an OEM and retail version. As for all the apps working across both ARM and x86 CPUs that will be interesting to see if it comes to be. I think the only way to pull that off is some kind of emulation right? Though app manufactures could make a x86(rather x64) version and an ARM version.
Even if it was available, I would rather have my honeycomb.
Sure Win8 has some touch friendly features built into it, but the OS wasn't built for touch only from the ground up.
We also wouldn't have things like custom ROMs to play with.
I'm running Win8 on 2 of my computers now, but outside of a desktop, I don't think it's practical anymore after Android
Would you guys recommend that one buys the Asus transformer 300 as opposed to waiting for windows 8 tablets and buying one of them? If so, why?
Thanks
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Would you guys recommend that one buys the Asus transformer 300 as opposed to waiting for windows 8 tablets and buying one of them? If so, why?
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That's a tough call. I was thinking the same thing. Finally I bought the TF300 reasoning that:
1) Win RT tablets are still months away
2) Even when the first ones are released, it may well be a few more months before a manufacturer releases one I really like
3) Even then, it will be a few more months before there's a critical mass of decent applications for the platform.
So all in all I'm guessing 18 months to two years before Windows 8 tablets are truly attractive propositions, and by that time I'll probably be itching to update anyway, so I'll be able to re-consider the direction I want to go in at the time.
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That's a tough call. I was thinking the same thing. Finally I bought the TF300 reasoning that:
1) Win RT tablets are still months away
2) Even when the first ones are released, it may well be a few more months before a manufacturer releases one I really like
3) Even then, it will be a few more months before there's a critical mass of decent applications for the platform.
So all in all I'm guessing 18 months to two years before Windows 8 tablets are truly attractive propositions, and by that time I'll probably be itching to update anyway, so I'll be able to re-consider the direction I want to go in at the time.
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What is it about windows that is so attractive though? As in, what can you do on a windows tablet that you can't on Android?
2. What do you think, the Dell inspiron duo or this?
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I had the same question a week ago.
My girlfriend needed a "portable office" and the question was: Notebook or Notebook.
But then I told her there is a tablet with keyboard dock and listed some advantages, because she already have a Samsung Galaxy Ace.
And that it is possible to connect external volumes like USB sticks or drives.
Now she uses the TF300T about a week and is still satisfied.
All she has to do is to write some things in Word and a little bit Powerpoint. All this is done very well with OfficeSuite Pro.
Additionally she has to transfer some pictures, e-mails and surfing the net.
No need for Windows.
Now she can sync her calendar very very easy, has her contacts everywhere and can manage them easily, and can use the same payed apps as she bought for her Galaxy Ace.
My job is done.
You should just think about what you do most.
If you want to play some games which are windows only, okay. But you don't have already a PC at home?
Do you have special applications which are windows only?
Android is much smoother than windows. It's faster because it's not overloaded with things normal humans wouldn't need.
Additionally no idea about the battery lifetime. Notebooks have much less and I assume, Windows 8 tablets won't work as long as an Android tablet.
Thanks for the reply!
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What is it about windows that is so attractive though? As in, what can you do on a windows tablet that you can't on Android?
2. What do you think, the Dell inspiron duo or this?
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At this point, nothing, because there aren't any Windows RT tablets to compare to. So it's all speculative, on my part.
However, I would expect to find a very robst and well implemented web brower and a robust and well implemented Office suite as well as good Windows networking and printing.
The emergence of Chrome on Android makes the first point much less of an issue. I've been using Chrome on the TF300 and really, really like it. Heck, I've also found that Opera on my TF300 behaves much better than it does on my HTC Flyer.
But I'm still waiting for a decent Office suite. There are some OK ones out there, getting better by the day. I do like Office Suite Professional. But some pretty important features are missing (for insatnce, the ability to create multi-columned documents).
The big appeal of Windows 8 being on tablets is compatibility. There will be Metro Apps and regular Windows 8 apps. Metro Apps are gonna be for mobile devices like your tablet and your home PC.
With Windows 8 your old x86 PC applications won't run on your tablet, but your new Metro apps should be compatible with your PC and tablet. So if I'm playing a game on my tablet, I go home, I can sync up and continue playing on my PC. That's a very cool options to have. I'm using an app to work on a project on my tablet, I can jump right into the same application, with the same interface, and continue at my desk.
It's one step closer to blurring the line between a home PC and mobile devices.
I want ask experts around here if there is really a chance of windows 8 being installed in our TF300T in the future? a month from now windows 8 will be out but I have no clue if it will be available for TF300T. I'm really pissed in looking for a powerpoint alternative that can create "quality" presentations in android. If it is really a big NO then I might opt for an upcoming windows 8 tablet which I don't want to do as I'm enjoying my TF300T now except for the presentation part which I badly need for work. Thanks!
The big issue, or one of the big issues, is it would pirating windows 8.
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No it wouldn't it would just be renovating just like Apple.
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windose? that would be terrible to ruin such a nice tablet.
Wouldn't Ubuntu(Linux) be easyier to port?
I don't know much about Ubuntu but I think there you could also get styles and of ubuntu you could get the license easier (if there is one, I'm not sure...)
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I want ask experts around here if there is really a chance of windows 8 being installed in our TF300T in the future? a month from now windows 8 will be out but I have no clue if it will be available for TF300T. I'm really pissed in looking for a powerpoint alternative that can create "quality" presentations in android. If it is really a big NO then I might opt for an upcoming windows 8 tablet which I don't want to do as I'm enjoying my TF300T now except for the presentation part which I badly need for work. Thanks!
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Why dont you just remote desktop to a home PC using splashtop 2, OR buy a subcription to OnLive Desktop (if you are the US). It gives you a full windows environment for a set monthly fee.
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Why dont you just remote desktop to a home PC using splashtop 2, OR buy a subcription to OnLive Desktop (if you are the US). It gives you a full windows environment for a set monthly fee.
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unfortnately i'm from the philippines and theres no app similar to onlive desktop that is available in here. My PC at home is being used by my wife so I can't make use of the remote desktop as well.
migs_jaime said:
unfortnately i'm from the philippines and theres no app similar to onlive desktop that is available in here. My PC at home is being used by my wife so I can't make use of the remote desktop as well.
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You can download the app from my dropbox here
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uscnxvtf320ct2t/com.onlive.desktop-104621.apk
You may need to go to the onlive site to make an account first, or if you have an account for the onlive gaming app, you can also use that.
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I love windows 8 *_* The tf300 has the tegra 3 cpu... And w8 rtm is based on this cpu... it's impossible to see it on tf300?
I haven't much knowledge in this topic, but I'm guessing the bootloader locking by Microsoft will be the main issue to work against for an android/Windows 8 RT dual booting tablet.
Experiment!!!
By this time I already have a Zenbook Prime running W8.
As all of us know there is special version of the OS for ARM processors called Windows 8 RTM.
The transformer has a dock station which has USB 2.0. So in theory it is possible to load from USB-drive BUT
I don't know if the transformer's motherboard has BIOS or smth else.
I'm gonna have an experiment and give u the results
And ofcourse if u know smth else, please share it:good:
That would need to made a complete new bootloader for our device, and we don't have any sources of it and on JB we can not flash any custom bootloader because it is signed by ASUS, so just a dream, forget about this idea.
And the storage is sooo small for W8
Greetings XDA'ers.
The support end date for XP is fast approaching. And like many, I've procrastinated my decision, hoping that some magical solution will appear.
Current setup, 2009 Compaq mini 110 1100dx netboox maxed to 2gbs ram running xp
2005 Dell Dimension E310 desktop also maxed to 2gbs ram running xp
Now I just discovered best buy has a deal where you get $75 off any laptop and a $25 gift card when trading in a xp laptop. I purchased my nebook for $179 from them on black friday 2009, so getting $100 for it without having to sell it on ebay seems like a decent deal. They do have a few chromebooks that are $199 but I'd rather not go the chromebook route if at all possible.
I have seen a few deals where you get a desktop pc running windows 7 for $80 shipped. That's about how much I would spend on a windows 7 license anyway. I mean truth be told I never anticipated either of these machines lasting this long. Their processors are pretty outdated but run day to day tasks just fine.
So give me your honest opinions! I've got them running service pack 3 and security essentials and norton security suite is installed. Should I just backup my data and take a chance? That way I could get a far better deal this november?
Btw both machines can run any version of windows, I ran the compatibility checker.
Thanks in advance,
Best,
jf
PS didnt I read somewhere that you can buy a super cheap copy of windows 7 without support for $50???
Don't get a Chromebook!!!! I suggest you buying a freeDOS laptop. The price depends on hardware.
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Windows 7 Home premium would be more than enough but be careful and verify that your PC hardware is compatible with System. check for hardware drivers before upgrading.
Otherwise, choose a Windows/Linux version which responds at your system requirements.
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Thank you for the prompt replies!
What are your opinions on Ubuntu?
My brother suggested I try this free or low cost os. You can make a bootable DVD to test it out?
Both computers check out fine for win 7 hardware compatibility.
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Well, it's about time!
You know, Windows 8 and 7 aren't that different. If you come from XP, you can directly go to W8. W8 license isn't that expensive too.
In terms of performance, I don't know what's better. My computer is a gaming computer so I don't see any difference.
jfriend33 said:
What are your opinions on Ubuntu?
My brother suggested I try this free or low cost os. You can make a bootable DVD to test it out?
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If you don't have to use some windows specific applications Ubuntu is a great choice, and it is faster on low end devices than windows.
As far as I know you can boot the normal installation CD and click "Live CD" or similar, than you can test it without erasing your HDD.
Sharpenergames said:
If you don't have to use some windows specific applications Ubuntu is a great choice, and it is faster on low end devices than windows.
As far as I know you can boot the normal installation CD and click "Live CD" or similar, than you can test it without erasing your HDD.
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Two points for your consideration:
1. A WinXP user may prefer Mint (based on Ubuntu) as a replacement linux OS.
2. You can always run vbox with network support disabled to the XP virtual machine.
This way you can access MSWin apps in the familiar fashion. No internet means low security risk.
You still have to worry about USB and disc, of course.
Files and directories on the "host" (linux, in this example) can be read from the XP VM.
Mouse can copy/paste to from either OS feely.
Do a search and see. It's fun and only a bit of work.
April 8! Ooo...
Sideness said:
Well, it's about time!
You know, Windows 8 and 7 aren't that different. If you come from XP, you can directly go to W8. W8 license isn't that expensive too.
In terms of performance, I don't know what's better. My computer is a gaming computer so I don't see any difference.
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Where are these cheap W8 licenses? I'm looking to upgrade but would rather not spend $199 on it.
I think a win7 for $50~60 is ok for me.
Sorry everyone, but there is already a thread for computer hardware discussions. Can I please ask you to move your discussion to this thread.
Thanks!
Hey everyone. I was thinking about this today.
I personally see the mobile phone/ tablet market going the PC route. you can install any operating system providing its compatable with the CPU and the hardware can run it.
That got me thinking. lets say for a minute Microsoft sold a copy of Windows phone O/S and you flashed it via Odin or some other way.
What would be the limiting factors? is it possible?
Its not only about the CPU, What about everything? you will break many stuff.
it would be a good idea to have windows 8.1 in note 3 if the windows phone os gets updated !
It would be a much better idea to buy a Lumia if you want WP 8.1......
1. Lol
2. Not gonna happen. Ever
3. You can't just install an OS like you would on a PC. Windows is windows, closed source, no device binaries for the hardware.
Wrote this S#!t via Samsung Galaxy Note 3 LTE
jjbk said:
Hey everyone. I was thinking about this today.
I personally see the mobile phone/ tablet market going the PC route. you can install any operating system providing its compatable with the CPU and the hardware can run it.
That got me thinking. lets say for a minute Microsoft sold a copy of Windows phone O/S and you flashed it via Odin or some other way.
What would be the limiting factors? is it possible?
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Dont even want Win8 on my pc, let alone on my phone.
Android is so much better, than all the others. So NO i'll fight this idea, with all my power (but that ain't much). :silly:
If it were a linux distro you were talkin about i'd say yes...
I think by the way samsung drive there TouchWiz android we will be like windows even Google courage people to root and miss with it's s branded phone's and nexus branch getting Ubuntu phone and maybe Firefox os I think In the future we will buy just the hardware and load whatever os you wish like DOS shipped laptop's
And regarding hardware I think even the Nokia lumia don't have hardware like our SGN3 so why not
In the end we will get all open source to drive the tech
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Why would you want windows phone? Windows is good as a PC OS, but not as a phone OS.
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This page, from microsoft disagrees.
[EDIT]I want both. I am a developer mainly focused on visual studios. Am to invested in android Apps to 100% dedicate to another OS[EDIT]
NJDubois said:
This page, from microsoft disagrees.
[EDIT]I want both. I am a developer mainly focused on visual studios. Am to invested in android Apps to 100% dedicate to another OS[EDIT]
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That's as a peripheral, not running the os.
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I know, wanted to post here about it but couldn't find the post. Sorry for that!