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newbie about to buy viewsonic g tablet, questions, totall beginer here

so im about to do it. been wanting a tablet for some time and as nice as the xoom looks for 1/2 the price this make sense.
can a newbie root? i dont know the first thing about programming. ive searched the forums, and i see roms, and all these things i dont even know what they are. TNT programs, which sound not so newb friendly lol....and i want to know if there is a basic root that i may be able to follow. root for dummies is what im looking for.
and also, if i screw this up can i revert back to the original way this thing was?
sorta nervous to order and not use it to the fullest potential but seems like without rooting its not worth a crap.
i know probably asked 100 times, but ive searched and just cant find basic rooting 101 concepts. read the faqs - nothing so straight forward that i found.
thanks in advance. if i find the support i need here which seems likely im going to order the viewsonic shortly

First, welcome!
And then...
Start here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
This was the post that helped me the most. Have you rooted and installed new ROMs on Android devices before? It's not difficult, but does require that every last instruction is read. Twice. And look at posts about people "bricking" their tablets to see what they might have done wrong, or what they had to do to fix their problems. Don't worry about rooting; I've rooted a MyTouch 3g, a TMobile Vibrant and this tablet and it was the easiest by far. I'd like to say that the stock software sucks, but I can't. I purchased this tablet because I knew I would be rooting and ROMing and only had about ten minutes in the store and ten minutes at home with the original software. It wasn't horrible, but I do know that Vegan 5.1 flies and is very stable.
READ READ READ and search your face off for your problems before posting. Many people frown on oft asked questions here. I see a lot of people writing about how easy it is to search to get your answer, but I'm not a fan of the XDA search function for many reasons. So, Google is your friend. When searching Google, be sure to state your issue clearly and concisely, and in as few words as possible. Oh, but do include "XDA" in your search, or "site:forum.xda-developers.com" if you want to only search the XDA Developers forum.
Happy modding!

(1) We don't mind newbies, although it's nice if they actually respect the hard work of the people here by pressing the shift button to capitalize where appropriate. It would also be appreciated if they don't use run-on sentences.
(2) We highly recommend against modding for people like you. Just turn it on, update what viewsonic has for you, and everything will run just fine. We recommend you play with the gtab for a while before taking the plunge.
(3) You don't need to know programming to root. This thread will give you step by step instructions on how to do the essential things of modding. These instructions are so easy even a cave man could do it.
(4) That said, again, their stock rom + update should be good enough for someone like you. I have 2 gtabs. I've modded one and kept the other one as is. Trust me, it's more than sufficient for your needs.

thank u!!! im going to review that. now thats a detailed step by step which couldnt be answered easily but somehow seems doable for a newbie thanks. brings me closer to ordering.

I somehow doubt you read everything I said.

goodintentions said:
I somehow doubt you read everything I said.
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Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.

adampdx said:
Don't be condescending. Were you born knowing how to root and mod a G Tab? Let people ask questions, and if you don't want to answer then don't.
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I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.

goodintentions - I was thanking adampdx but appreciate your input as well. I read his reply and his link provided and at first glance it seemed helpful. With that said, I also appreciate you letting me know the stock VS GT is pretty good and perhaps I will leave it as is when I get it. People make it out to be like this thing is so unsable out of the box, which apparently isnt the case. I just want to be able to get to the market and download a few apps I like using on my droid pro phone, thats all. Additionally I will use capitals and try watching the run on sentences. I was just excited to post and get involved.

goodintentions said:
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
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I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.

goodintentions said:
I was referring to the part where he refuses to use the shift key. It's a pet peeve of mine. To me, it's a sign of respect to talk properly and write properly.
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Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
(btw, trying to defuse the situation with a very bad attempt at a joke)

roebeet said:
Well, better to not use it at all than TO USE IT EVERYWHERE. Arrghgh stop shouting!!!
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Thanks for a little comic relief.

adampdx said:
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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+1
Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.

Well, here is my thought on why people are giving it such bad reviews.
(1) They compared it to the ipad right out of the box. Yes, the stock UI isn't the greatest thing, but it's usable. And after the update, it should work just fine.
(2) People were expecting an ipad when they bought this device. This is why I've been repeating over and over that this ain't no ipad.
(3) People have money coming out of their ears, so they want the bests and greatests. The slightest disadvantage and they will make it sound like the tablet exploded or something.
(4) Which brings me to my next point. People like to exaggerate.
I've always been a simple person. I like to work with what I have. I also hate Apple products with a passion. I only own one Apple product. I got my ipod (30 gig one) as a gift years ago. I've been thinking for a while to look for something that is light weight so I could drag it along for work and other activities. My laptop seems like it weighs a ton some time. That said, after I've done the appropriate moddings and installed the apps I wanted, the viewsonic gtab seems like a dream come true for me. It works incredibly fast. I didn't buy this thing to watch videos and listen to music. I have my tv and ipod for that. That said, I really think viewsonic is sitting on top of a goldmine with this device. I don't know why they haven't done more to publicize it.

K J Rad said:
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Not to mention there be members who may not use English as a primary language and therefore may not be familiar with all of its intricacies. Respect begets respect. You get more when you offer more.
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Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker and someone who's just lazy. I'm a non-native english speaker. In another thread, I mentioned that I was born in a house with a dirt floor and grew up with a 4 inch black and white tv. I wasn't kidding.
adampdx said:
I think your whole thing is condescending, including that rant you posted in the General section about the "wooters". If you wanted to be helpful you could do a write up and review about the stock ROM and make suggestions of what to do to make it better. This singling out of a group of people is rude and dangerous. You create an environment that is hostile and discourages fresh ideas. There are always kinder words to use and gentler ways to guide people.
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Well, I apologize if what I said offended some people. But what I stated was a fact. Because of all the exaggerated reviews of how god-aweful the stock UI and screen are, average people get the wrong idea. They feel that they have to mod the device the moment they get their hands on it.
All I'm suggesting people do is give the updated stock rom a chance. Give it a few days before they decide to take the plunge. There's really no prettier way to say it.

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Oh, please, I can tell the difference between a non-engrish speaker...
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There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.

adampdx said:
There it is, the racist card. I was wondering when that one would come out.
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Good job for picking that up, considering I was born and grew up in eastern Asia... nice going with the nitpick.

You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.

goodintentions, your making the xda forums look bad.

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You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
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Wait, hang on. So, joking is racist? You mean you can't tell the difference between a joke and a racist comment? Is this, like, the twilight zone where noone has any common sense at all?
Look, I'm not asking for perfect composition to be published in academia here. but towrite somthin without regard to how it loks to the people your asking for help looks like you dont care for their eeffort s and your just passing buy. its also had to understand runon sentences and... suc

adampdx said:
You don't have to be white to be racist or self-hating.
Ah, all of this being said, I do think this whole thing is funny and a giant waste of time. I've also been noticing that the forums seem sluggish, and I'm getting strange messages from the server from time to time about not being able to load forum pages. I think all of our babble is bogging down the servers. And with the impending onslaught of wooters, we should probably knock it off.
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hahaha I was thinking the same thing. Tomorrow's XDA headline --- "Wooters bring down XDA".
I need to take my Woot-Off lights out soon, perhaps?

Sorry...but NONE of the current rom devs have a clue!

I don't care what kind of flaming I get from this blah blah blah, yada yada yada

Ummmm.......team eos is Roach2010 (plus some others)
Strange person
Is the droid in your avatar breakdancing or did he trip up and land on his head??

scottyf79 said:
Ummmm.......team eos is Roach2010 (plus some others)
Strange person
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I'm not strange, I am sick and tired of wiping and installing some wanna be rom and have my tf101 reboot every single time the Wireless tries to startup. Testing is key when releasing something you hope others will use...and that is just not being done.
TeamEOS is not Roach2010...he only just starting developing with them. Until I seem a full on, tested, release from them with his Stamp of Approval. I won't believe it.
All the others are amateurs, noobs, and don't bother testing on every model or documenting the fact that they only tested on model a, model b, or model c.

I tried all of the AOSP roms yesterday and none of them had any issues with wifi. They all had excellent stability. But my TF is B70 sbk 1.

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All the others are amateurs, noobs, and don't bother testing on every model or documenting the fact that they only tested on model a, model b, or model c.
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Develop your own then, or quit complaining. You flash these at your own risk, even a thoroughly tested ROM can brick your particular device..also, how do you think the devs TEST these on every device type? They release it here so WE can HELP by reporting bugs back to them and then they FIX them. ICS has been out for barely a month, and the STOCK ICS is full of bugs as it is, why do you expect devs who do it on their own time to be any better than Asus is when they are a corporation?? Wow that was a disrespectful post...

horndroid said:
I tried all of the AOSP roms yesterday and none of them had any issues with wifi. They all had excellent stability. But my TF is B70 sbk 1.
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Thats super great and I am very happy for you. That doesn't help me. I have a B60, and none of them work on it. My main complaint is that none of the devs bother to report which models their rom is tested on.
They are such noobs that they just compile and release and claim the blanket "oh we are not responsible for .... " crap. When they are responsible when they don't document which models they have tested on. They are responsible when they don't give all possible information to people so they can make educated decisions.
This I am not responsible crap is just a way of saying I may or may not be a ****ty developer, and if you find out I suck...its not my problem.
Its no wonder so many people flock to XDA and other site and beg for donations...because they could never make it in the real world as a developer where making quality software was how they eat and pay bills.
I think XDA should vet any developer before just letting them on the forums to release whatever. Sorry, but with all the phone/tablets out there...the room for crappy devs is just growing. Now is the time to start qualifying people.
Anyway...who cares right. "Oh mine works" sorry yours doesn't!

So you expect all of the devs to have every available hardware versions of TF101? That's ridiculous. Maybe send them your TF if you want them to test their ROMs on it?
They do this for FREE. If the ROMs don't work for you, too bad. Not sure how you can complain about something that is completely free. No one is forcing you to use the ROMs.

Think this thread is just to create drama.........
If the op had a sensible case to argue then it would be interesting.
Like its been said before - i have a b40 and ive tried them all with no issues - so theres a 40 & 70 tried and tested........maybe porking the micro sd slot isnt doing your tf any favours.
Going to test out the ignore feature again bet it works as well.
Thread needs binned.......its even in the wrong sub section

horndroid said:
So you expect all of the devs to have every available hardware versions of TF101? That's ridiculous. Maybe send them your TF if you want them to test their ROMs on it?
They do this for FREE. If the ROMs don't work for you, too bad. Not sure how you can complain about something that is completely free. No one is forcing you to use the ROMs.
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Exactly. It's just a hobby for most developers, and none force you to use them. Get another tablet if you're seriously going to complain about the developers work you choose to use.

I've tried AOKP, CM9, Revolver, and Android Revolution, and other than flashing non-stock overclock kernels (which don't work with wifi, apparently) I've had no more problems than stock ICS (Sleep of Death, etc etc)
Also, where is OP's magic ROM that works on every version of the TF101, TF101G, and SL101??? I'd love to give it a shot!

gVibeR said:
This I am not responsible crap is just a way of saying I may or may not be a ****ty developer.
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I say again, if it's so easy, why are you even flashing ROMs other people made..make your own and shut up.
gVibeR said:
I think XDA should vet any developer before just letting them on the forums to release whatever. Sorry, but with all the phone/tablets out there...the room for crappy devs is just growing.
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First point, they are called 'recognized developers'. Don't download anything that isn't from a recognized developer..sounds like a failure on your part there..
Second point..crappy devs = every dev when they start. It's called a learning curve. This is where we learn. You want polished software, stick with a stock ROM. They have the money to put into PAYING developers to FIX EVERY SINGLE BUG before they release it, oh, and they also EMPLOY BUG TESTERS..
Get off your soapbox. And close this thread already..you are wrong, and being rude. XDA isn't for you, that's obvious. Stick with stock ROMs and you will be happy (LMAO).

So if youre so much better than all the current rom devs, why dont you cook up a completely bugfree rom, tested on all TF models, in your free time, without getting paid?
If asus themselves, who have the resources and hired coders, cant sort out the random reboot issue, why the hell do you expect a group of enthusiast, who code in their spare time mostly for fun, to magically sort it out?
Get down to earth and get a grip on how coding works before flaming.

i normally wouldn't bother giving such post a thought. but its ridiculous to be complaining about something you are getting for free. these devs put in TIME and EFFORT to make something. SO what if there are bugs here and there. almost every piece of software out there has bugs. even the paid ones. And its certainly not an easy task to test every combination of a software.
Yes it can be frustrating having a ROM give you so many issues. But unless you are going to hire them as your personal programmer dont complain. or maybe give up some of your own time to read through their source code and help find the bugs.
XDA is a forum where people HELP one another. We know what it means to have an OPEN environment. We should be appreciative that there are devs willing to make ROMs for our devices and SHARING it with everyone.
off course your solution is to sell your TF and get an iCrap

gVibeR said:
I don't care what kind of flaming I get from this, but I am just sick and tired of taking a chance on the current list of developers for the TF101 only to find that my pad ends up in a continuous boot loop with constant Wireless module issues.
I think that if you haven't tested your rom on every possible model of transformer that you should note that, and make it very clear that anyone with a model not tested should take caution.
Yes..I am talking to you sportstart89, ricardopvz, teameos, timbit123, and whoever else thinks that by just compiling a rom, adding Superuser is all it takes to make it in this scene.
I have tried all of them on my B60 transformer...and every last one of them has a crashing Wireless with constant reboot loop.
THE ONLY ROM THAT IS STABLE ON MY PAD IS STOCK WITH VIPERMOD ROOT.
I'm done with all you amateurs.
I want my Roach2010 back!!
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Yeah, and we all know how stable YOUR ROM is, huh? Oh wait, you haven't released a ROM, have you??
Hmm, there is a thought- create the 'perfect' ROM yourself if it's so easy!
Unbelievable.... I cannot believe how un-appreciative and immature some of the people are around here!

gVibeR said:
I don't care what kind of flaming I get from this, but I am just sick and tired of taking a chance on the current list of developers for the TF101 only to find that my pad ends up in a continuous boot loop with constant Wireless module issues.
I think that if you haven't tested your rom on every possible model of transformer that you should note that, and make it very clear that anyone with a model not tested should take caution.
Yes..I am talking to you sportstart89, ricardopvz, teameos, timbit123, and whoever else thinks that by just compiling a rom, adding Superuser is all it takes to make it in this scene.
I have tried all of them on my B60 transformer...and every last one of them has a crashing Wireless with constant reboot loop.
THE ONLY ROM THAT IS STABLE ON MY PAD IS STOCK WITH VIPERMOD ROOT.
I'm done with all you amateurs.
I want my Roach2010 back!!
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Hi there I own a B60 and have 3 different roms that will work on it and 1 that has no reboots at all also found an oc kernel that is playing nicely for now.
You can't put issues down to what model you have if the same car is manufactured 5 years in a row not to much is gonna change and base parts can usually be swapped.
I mean I have the same model as you but I may just be able to tweak a rom to work on mine where on yours it has issues or visa versa.
You seem to forget that icys is new and that even completely stock TF101 icys has issues at the moment. I think if anything the devs here are trying to find solutions and actively working quicker than the Asus company themselves also they dont have to go through all the stuff Asus has to to get an update out. Most of the devs here have done great work and have continued to support and develop from honeycomb they could of just left when icys arrived. I mean some are new but a few are not and are well respected.
1st You have a B60 tried a clean NVflash ?
2nd With your wireless are you using the right kernel on the right Rom? Are you doing things correctly?
3rd If its just compile and done do you think cm9 would be making progress?? Do you think modified stock would be as quick or have etc?
4th Kernels are not exactly an easy thing to build or improve on so you cant expect rock solid with everything at the moment its to early!!!!!!
5th Most of these guys have day jobs or university the fact they even do this is huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think maybe you should calm down have a rethink and suss it out or ask for help or maybe move away from custom and rethink what hardware/software you want to use
Sorry for the long post guys but had to answer such an insulting set of comments
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Hah everyone and their mom taking a shot at the OP because he made it just too easy and irresistible. This could be a very subtle troll.

This is just rude and obnoxious!
This is basically a devoper site. They make it, you test it.
And get your facts straight! There's an issue in the kernel that not everyone experiences. The source is out and people are trying to pin down the reboot issues.
If ya don't like to test and contribute to finding the issue, then go to some other site and whine there. Make your own damn kernel from the source and find the issue yourself!
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IT IS OVER/UNDER time.
I say this thread will be closed by 2:00pm (14:00)pm US Eastern time.
NOW Go!!!!!

Woodrube said:
I say this thread will be closed by 2:00pm (14:00)pm US Eastern time.
NOW Go!!!!!
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You lose. It's closed now.
gVibeR said:
I don't care what kind of flaming I get from this, but I am just sick and tired of taking a chance on the current list of developers for the TF101 only to find that my pad ends up in a continuous boot loop with constant Wireless module issues.
I think that if you haven't tested your rom on every possible model of transformer that you should note that, and make it very clear that anyone with a model not tested should take caution.
Yes..I am talking to you sportstart89, ricardopvz, teameos, timbit123, and whoever else thinks that by just compiling a rom, adding Superuser is all it takes to make it in this scene.
I have tried all of them on my B60 transformer...and every last one of them has a crashing Wireless with constant reboot loop.
THE ONLY ROM THAT IS STABLE ON MY PAD IS STOCK WITH VIPERMOD ROOT.
I'm done with all you amateurs.
I want my Roach2010 back!!
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Blasting people who do what you are seemingly unable to do is wrong, and does not belong at XDA. We exist for the developers, and if you don't want to provide a decent amount of respect, you can leave.

Blaze Rom.. Debloated?

I recently installed Blaze; while it is a very detailed Rom that shows an immense amount of time and hard work, I prefer a minimalist approach.
However, my question is I followed the instructions to the letter and still had bloatware installed! Am I missing something. I thought it stated it was Debloated?
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I recently installed Blaze; while it is a very detailed Rom that shows an immense amount of time and hard work, I prefer a minimalist approach.
However, my question is I followed the instructions to the letter and still had bloatware installed! Am I missing something. I thought it stated it was Debloated?
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God it's so hard for me to hold my tongue...but I said I'd run it through the weekend and then give my opinion so i'm sticking to it.
Yeah, I noticed that too, but maybe the apps he left in place were those he felt most would get use out of....just cause you don't use "Movies" doesn't mean that I don't, for example.
I think he deserves kudo's for his work though

smgulsby said:
I recently installed Blaze; while it is a very detailed Rom that shows an immense amount of time and hard work, I prefer a minimalist approach.
However, my question is I followed the instructions to the letter and still had bloatware installed! Am I missing something. I thought it stated it was Debloated?
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I have come to the conclusion that you sir are a condensing egotistical person.
Perhaps I could have been a bit more clear, but I do state that the Rom "is very detailed ", and "shows an immense amount of time and hard work "!
I just had a question pertaining to a potential issue that I have due to something I.. Me... Myself.. Might have done incorrectly.
Yes please, the old adage is correct, if you do not have something nice to say, then say nothing at all. I ask that you do bite your tongue where I am concerned.
Atrix 2 / RebelRom V3

smgulsby said:
I have come to the conclusion that you sir are a condensing egotistical person.
Perhaps I could have been a bit more clear, but I do state that the Rom "is very detailed ", and "shows an immense amount of time and hard work "!
I just had a question pertaining to a potential issue that I have due to something I.. Me... Myself.. Might have done incorrectly.
Yes please, the old adage is correct, if you do not have something nice to say, then say nothing at all. I ask that you do bite your tongue where I am concerned.
Atrix 2 / RebelRom V3
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Holy misunderstanding Batman!
When I said it's hard to hold my tongue, it's not necessarily that i'm holding back from reaming the guy on his rom, it's because what you said almost prompted me to give my opinion on it. Being that I just flashed it yesterday and said that I would run it through the weekend before forming one, your insight almost made me go back on my word. Reason being, I flashed v2 when it first came out and formed a quick opinion on it without even taking the time to set it up to my liking....I didn't want to do that this time around.
I wasn't trying to throw stones at him and am not going to throw them at you now, but rest assured that I will post my opinion no matter good or bad when the time comes.

916x10 said:
Holy misunderstanding Batman!
When I said it's hard to hold my tongue, it's not necessarily that i'm holding back from reaming the guy on his rom, it's because what you said almost prompted me to give my opinion on it. Being that I just flashed it yesterday and said that I would run it through the weekend before forming one, your insight almost made me go back on my word. Reason being, I flashed v2 when it first came out and formed a quick opinion on it without even taking the time to set it up to my liking....I didn't want to do that this time around.
I wasn't trying to throw stones at him and am not going to throw them at you now, but rest assured that I will post my opinion no matter good or bad when the time comes.
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My apologies if I, again, misunderstood your post.
Believe me I am in no way prone to being defensive. The words you choose and the way you arrange them are at times abrasive.
Atrix 2 / RebelRom V3

smgulsby said:
My apologies if I, again, misunderstood your post.
Believe me I am in no way prone to being defensive. The words you choose and the way you arrange them are at times abrasive.
Atrix 2 / RebelRom V3
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If you haven't figured it out, i'm not one to sugar coat things, I tell it like it is. You won't have to guess how I really feel cause I put it out there. No need to read between the lines. So if next time it's not written there for you in black and white, instead you feel the need to interpret the meaning of what I wrote, you're probably sticking your foot in your mouth again.

We need to respect each other regardless of our opinions. No one should ever take offense to OPINIONS. We should be able to say what we please with no back lash.
Running AtrixBlaze 3 on my Atrix 2.

916x10 said:
If you haven't figured it out, i'm not one to sugar coat things, I tell it like it is. You won't have to guess how I really feel cause I put it out there. No need to read between the lines. So if next time it's not written there for you in black and white, instead you feel the need to interpret the meaning of what I wrote, you're probably sticking your foot in your mouth again.
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That's all u get from Cali! Saying what's on your mind at all times! I understood your meaning man. I don't understand how what u said sounded abrasive...
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DarkJatrix said:
We need to respect each other regardless of our opinions. No one should ever take offense to OPINIONS. We should be able to say what we please with no back lash.
Running AtrixBlaze 3 on my Atrix 2.
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Also I completely agree with u! Ive had people say some rude things in response to certain posts. But I ignore rude comments as I do not want to come out sounding rude when I reply!

916x10 said:
Holy misunderstanding Batman!
When I said it's hard to hold my tongue, it's not necessarily that i'm holding back from reaming the guy on his rom, it's because what you said almost prompted me to give my opinion on it. Being that I just flashed it yesterday and said that I would run it through the weekend before forming one, your insight almost made me go back on my word. Reason being, I flashed v2 when it first came out and formed a quick opinion on it without even taking the time to set it up to my liking....I didn't want to do that this time around.
I wasn't trying to throw stones at him and am not going to throw them at you now, but rest assured that I will post my opinion no matter good or bad when the time comes.
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Holy misunderstanding Batman. That is funny. I mean funny. You all are into it so i know this isn't the time but that was too funny.
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Since I'm new here, again please except my apologies. This is one of the reasons I hate texting as well , you can never hear a persons tone or see their body language.
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smgulsby said:
Since I'm new here, again please except my apologies. This is one of the reasons I hate texting as well , you can never hear a persons tone or see their body language.
Atrix 2 / RebelRom V3
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You are alright. A lot of people at times have attitudes (including myself). Don't hesitate to ask a question if you need to. Just make sure it's in the right section so it doesn't set somebody off.
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tmease1 said:
You are alright. A lot of people at times have attitudes (including myself). Don't hesitate to ask a question if you need to. Just make sure it's in the right section so it doesn't set somebody off.
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Even if its in the wrong section, which its obvious, than people should ask nicely that it be moved. That's my opinion.
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smgulsby said:
Since I'm new here, again please except my apologies. This is one of the reasons I hate texting as well , you can never hear a persons tone or see their body language.
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Hopefully next time ur in a similar situation you will get clarification before jumping to conclusions. I could see how you could misinterpret what I said but the reaction was a bit much even if I did mean it the way you interpreted. And you also might want to consider the irony and contradictary nature of your post before you click "post reply". Bashing someone for posting their opinion (or your assumed and misinterpreted opinion) with a post of your significantly more abrasive opinion seems quite the contradiction wouldn't you say? But no harm, no foul, apology accepted
Atrix 2//RebelROM//Tapatalk 2

Can you feel the love tonight (curtsey of the lion king)
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This should be a great example of conflict resolution.....shout out to myself for showing such self restraint
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Need some info from devs.

hello everyone As some of you must have already read that Moto is closing down in asia-pacific and so in india, I was thinking to sell of my A2.I'm not really sure but thoughts are coming in my mind.So what I want to ask here is that is there any development and breakthrough on good front going on ? (I'm sure something or other might be surely brewing up amongst devs) but still is it that exciting, If yes i would hold of my A2 and wont sell it off (If i am getting some good ROM) or atleast a progress on it (don't get me wrong here i m not pushing anyone).
Just wanted to ask coz, if there is no future regarding development I might think to sell A2 before the prices drop even more.
regards,
peace.
PS : I know the secrecy so if someone wants to reply but doesn't think its right to post in here coz Moto might see it, can drop me a PM

u've just ignited the FIRE !
jst wait n watch

shardul.phatak said:
u've just ignited the FIRE !
jst wait n watch
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Hope i don't get flamed for this

Nothing is guaranteed...you're not going to get any assurances about anything here. Go ahead and do what you have to.

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Nothing is guaranteed...you're not going to get any assurances about anything here. Go ahead and do what you have to.
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I already know that nothing is guranteed but looking at situation one can atleast judge what is up in store.Right now that dev section is kinda stagnant and devs are upto something in secret and that is absolutely fine considering what moto has done in past.So a small heads up would always be welcomed.

Archmag3 said:
hello everyone As some of you must have already read that Moto is closing down in asia-pacific and so in india, I was thinking to sell of my A2.I'm not really sure but thoughts are coming in my mind.So what I want to ask here is that is there any development and breakthrough on good front going on ? (I'm sure something or other might be surely brewing up amongst devs) but still is it that exciting, If yes i would hold of my A2 and wont sell it off (If i am getting some good ROM) or atleast a progress on it (don't get me wrong here i m not pushing anyone).
Just wanted to ask coz, if there is no future regarding development I might think to sell A2 before the prices drop even more.
regards,
peace.
PS : I know the secrecy so if someone wants to reply but doesn't think its right to post in here coz Moto might see it, can drop me a PM
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Really? How long have you been here? To pose the question as to if there may be no 'exciting' advances being made on the development front is rather insulting. I can say that I myself have worked 'behind the scenes' and these guys are ALWAYS working on things. How "exciting" they may be is purely based on your own perception. If there was any indication of having no future of development, don't you think these guys would have moved on half a year ago from this phone? Also, I don't see as to why Motorola shutting down to some capacity in India would have any bearing on whether to sell your Atrix 2 or to keep it. Not sure if this is "forum fishing", but hold onto your pole... you're going to get some bites.
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Not sure if this is "forum fishing", but hold onto your pole... you're going to get some bites.
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HA! Love the word play there.
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Apex_Strider said:
Really? How long have you been here? To pose the question as to if there may be no 'exciting' advances being made on the development front is rather insulting. I can say that I myself have worked 'behind the scenes' and these guys are ALWAYS working on things. How "exciting" they may be is purely based on your own perception. If there was any indication of having no future of development, don't you think these guys would have moved on half a year ago from this phone? Also, I don't see as to why Motorola shutting down to some capacity in India would have any bearing on whether to sell your Atrix 2 or to keep it. Not sure if this is "forum fishing", but hold onto your pole... you're going to get some bites.
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Well then i really can't help if people interpret or decide to interpret thing in wrong way.I think its perfectly fine to ask.Coz neither am I pushing anyone/anything nor I'm discrediting anyone.

Archmag3 said:
Well then i really can't help if people interpret or decide to interpret thing in wrong way.I think its perfectly fine to ask.Coz neither am I pushing anyone/anything nor I'm discrediting anyone.
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You missed my point here, I'm afraid. I posed a question in retort to your own, pointing out all of the 'breakthroughs' that have been made in almost a year, and more specifically here lately. No, the dev team hasn't bought tickets to "Margaritaville" and will not be kicking up their heels after ordering two pina coladas- they are always on the job, and always testing. If you'd like to pass your Atrix 2 on, for whatever reason, then I wish you the best. Impatience has always run amok here in this forum, and more so recently. Be it due to Motorola or otherwise, it's rather unnecessary. I'd suggest waiting before you pull the trigger on a sale of your Atrix 2, with the abilities we are fortunate enough to benefit from by our devs, this is why I opted to hold onto mine after purchasing the SGS3. But, as LaVar Burton used to say, "You don't have to take MY word for it"...
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Apex_Strider said:
You missed my point here, I'm afraid. I posed a question in retort to your own, pointing out all of the 'breakthroughs' that have been made in almost a year, and more specifically here lately. No, the dev team has bought tickets to "Margaritaville" and will not be kicking up their heels after ordering two pina coladas- they are always on the job, and always testing. If you'd like to pass your Atrix 2 on, for whatever reason, then I wish you the best. Impatience has always run amok here in this forum, and more so recently. Be it due to Motorola or otherwise, it's rather unnecessary. I'd suggest waiting before you pull the trigger on a sale of your Atrix 2, with the abilities we are fortunate enough to benefit from by our devs, this is why I opted to hold onto mine after purchasing the SGS3. But, as LaVar Burton used to say, "You don't have to take MY word for it"...
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For one I'm not being impatient.Impatient would be "hey you dev wats taking you so long i want new ROM" < This is impatient and arrogant. I never said anything like this,It was just a humble question.If you as a kid as some questions to your elder coz they know more does that count as being arrogant,impatient and rude ? I guess no.I asked very humbly as they know much much more than me.And again for the breakthrough as I said earlier yet repeating for nth time i am grateful to them and did not discredit or deny that fact.They have done much awesome work and changed the A2's scene.But for once just get in my shoes and try to think,and again if someone interprets this as disrespecting devs i really cant help coz i didn't.

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For one I'm not being impatient.Impatient would be "hey you dev wats taking you so long i want new ROM" < This is impatient and arrogant. I never said anything like this,It was just a humble question.If you as a kid as some questions to your elder coz they know more does that count as being arrogant,impatient and rude ? I guess no.I asked very humbly as they know much much more than me.And again for the breakthrough as I said earlier yet repeating for nth time i am grateful to them and did not discredit or deny that fact.They have done much awesome work and changed the A2's scene.But for once just get in my shoes and try to think,and again if someone interprets this as disrespecting devs i really cant help coz i didn't.
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You're right my friend, but the atmosphere and the people being what they are around this forum, you were always going to be flamed. I'd warned you.
In any case, there's not much anybody is going to be able to tell you. Things are uncertain and they take time...you know what I mean.
I wonder why anybody can't understand that Motorola leaving India does have a bearing on whether you want to keep your phone. I perfectly understand.
Anyway, long story short, on this forum, if you ask a question - you're spamming, if you don't know something - you're an idiot, if you you have a different opinion - you're being aggressive.
Pay no heed. Relax. Enjoy life

athani said:
You're right my friend, but the atmosphere and the people being what they are around this forum, you were always going to be flamed. I'd warned you.
In any case, there's not much anybody is going to be able to tell you. Things are uncertain and they take time...you know what I mean.
I wonder why anybody can't understand that Motorola leaving India does have a bearing on whether you want to keep your phone. I perfectly understand.
Anyway, long story short, on this forum, if you ask a question - you're spamming, if you don't know something - you're an idiot, if you you have a different opinion - you're being aggressive.
Pay no heed. Relax. Enjoy life
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So true.very well said bro.

athani said:
You're right my friend, but the atmosphere and the people being what they are around this forum, you were always going to be flamed. I'd warned you.
In any case, there's not much anybody is going to be able to tell you. Things are uncertain and they take time...you know what I mean.
I wonder why anybody can't understand that Motorola leaving India does have a bearing on whether you want to keep your phone. I perfectly understand.
Anyway, long story short, on this forum, if you ask a question - you're spamming, if you don't know something - you're an idiot, if you you have a different opinion - you're being aggressive.
Pay no heed. Relax. Enjoy life
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Lol! If you think my comments were "flaming", you ain't seen flaming yet. I'm not answering for the devs here, but exchanging with the OP my own rebuttal. I'll allow any dev here the opportunity to address the question. Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive, athani. Just a suggestion...
Edit: I really wasn't trying to be a jerk, but when someone - anyone - makes a post, they should expect to have it open for discussion. That's all I was engaging in.
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Lol! If you think my comments were "flaming", you ain't seen flaming yet. I'm not answering for the devs here, but exchanging with the OP my own rebuttal. I'll allow any dev here the opportunity to address the question. Perhaps you shouldn't be so sensitive, athani. Just a suggestion...
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Sir, whatever made you think I was referring to your posts ! Relax

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Sir, whatever made you think I was talking about you! Relax.
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Oh, I'm good. Trust me, my blood pressure is still within normal range. I was just clarifying that my comments were not of a "flaming" nature. Now, if others flame the OP over this, I'd have to align myself with Archmag3, in that he's got every right to ask a question here. With every question should come answers, unfortunately and at times frequently they happen to be befouled with opinion.
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Oh, I'm good. Trust me, my blood pressure is still within normal range. I was just clarifying that my comments were not of a "flaming" nature. Now, if others flame the OP over this, I'd have to align myself with Archmag3, in that he's got every right to ask a question here. With every question should come answers, unfortunately and at times frequently they happen to be befouled with opinion.
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I never suggested that any particular persons comments were "flaming" in nature. So we're cool. BTW, "opinions" by themselves can never "befouled" or for that matter be true or untrue. That's something lots of people here don't understand. Hence, all the unpleasantness.

athani said:
I never suggested that any particular persons comments were "flaming" in nature. So we're cool. BTW, "opinions" by themselves can never "befouled" or for that matter be true or untrue. That's something lots of people here don't understand. Hence, all the unpleasantness.
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Let's not argue semantics here, I stated that "answers" can be befouled with opinion. That is quite categorical.
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Let's not argue semantics here, I stated that "answers" can he befouled with opinion. That is quite categorical.
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I wasn't arguing semantics. It's something that requires serious introspection among some guys here.

Just think like this..if moto is shutting down sales in india that means no one is ever goin to get a chance to own such an awesome phone like atrix 2..this phone is really awesome man..i am goin to hold on to my A2 (mine just two months old) till the last breath is out of my phone..and i would advice you to do the same..and service centres will work naa..so why worry??
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devilhunter47 said:
Just think like this..if moto is shutting down sales in india that means no one is ever goin to get a chance to own such an awesome phone like atrix 2..this phone is really awesome man..i am goin to hold on to my A2 (mine just two months old) till the last breath is out of my phone..and i would advice you to do the same..and service centres will work naa..so why worry??
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I think the resale value will be adversely affected because of real or perceived lack of after sales support.
About chance to own a Motorola phone, I think that is less of a consideration as these days, everything is available on ebay India.

[Q] Recovering files from dead Nexus 5

My Nexus 5 suddenly shut off and never was able to get it back on, I tried just about everything. Luckily, I was able to get a replacement from Google. Now, I am wondering if there is a way to recover some of my files if the phone does not turn on and if so, how?

No.

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No.
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Actually, yes. It's possible. It's also way more involved and risky then most users would be willing to attempt.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2154652

Whoa. Yeah like I said.

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Actually, yes. It's possible. It's also way more involved and risky then most users would be willing to attempt.
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Difficulty aside, that would void warranty too.
We should all agree though that without specialist skills, Knowledge and technology, the answer is no. Basically if someone had all that, they wouldn't be asking the question
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rootSU said:
Difficulty aside, that would void warranty too.
We should all agree though that without specialist skills, Knowledge and technology, the answer is no. Basically if someone had all that, they wouldn't be asking the question
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Like I said most users won't attempt it. To say the answer is no is false. There is a way it's just very technical. I gave the info and the OP can do with it as he pleases. I have no idea of the OP's skill level nor would I assume everyone asking the question is incapable of such a thing. To say we should all agree is pretty arrogant. It's a big forum and we all should have our own ideas about what info we chose to convey.
I do see your point, I just don't agree with it. Knowledge is power or so they say. You've got a lot of knowledge and I respect you for that. I have some as well. I chose to share it even though it most likely won't work for the OP. Sorry for the mini rant I just hate being told what I should or shouldn't do.

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Like I said most users won't attempt it. To say the answer is no is false. There is a way it's just very technical. I gave the info and the OP can do with it as he pleases. I have no idea of the OP's skill level nor would I assume everyone asking the question is incapable of such a thing. To say we should all agree is pretty arrogant. It's a big forum and we all should have our own ideas about what info we chose to convey.
I do see your point, I just don't agree with it. Knowledge is power or so they say. You've got a lot of knowledge and I respect you for that. I have some as well. I chose to share it even though it most likely won't work for the OP. Sorry for the mini rant I just hate being told what I should or shouldn't do.
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Well I'm just saying the answer to anyone who ASKS the question is no. Because if they had the tools and skill set to do it, they wouldn't need to ask and if they need to ask, they haven't got the tools or skill set to do it, so I don't think "no" is false. Going by your logic, the answer to almost every question couldn't be "no".
Examples:
- Is it possible to un-brick a bricked device?
- Is it possible to run 4.3 on my N5
- Is it possible to unlock LTE bands
- Is it possible to get T-mobile WiFi Calling?
- Is it possible to get Voice on Verizon
That said, it's actually not been proven on the N5 so far as I am aware either.
I'm not telling you what to do. "We should" is not an order or instruction. It is what we *should do*
...and I do take massive offence to you calling my statement arrogant. How I can I be arrogant about something that I myself do not possess the skills to do? If I could do it and thought others couldn't because I was "better" than them, sure that's arrogance. Also if I assumed that because I couldn't do it, they couldn't either - that too would be arrogant. But that is not the case here. The work is very specialist. To do means you are that specialist. A data recovery specialist doesn't come to XDA and ask "wannabes" such as us how to recover data. That's not a sweeping generalisation either. It is logic.

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The arrogance came from expecting me and others to "agree" to say no. It wasn't meant to be offensive so don't take it as such. More to make you aware of how it came across, to me at least. We could go on and debate this for days but I've said what I had to say. If you'd like to continue it please shoot me a PM. You still have my respect for all the time you spend helping people on these forums and I hope you don't take any of this personally. Have a good night man.

I'm not going to pm you because my pm box is shut.
I'll just say one last thing. I never *expected * anything. *should* was not an instruction as I've already said so please apologise for the "arrogance" statement and we're all good - because yes, I do take it personally. I am a person after all
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rootSU said:
I'm not going to pm you because my pm box is shut.
I'll just say one last thing. I never *expected * anything. *should* was not an instruction as I've already said so please apologise for the "arrogance" statement and we're all good - because yes, I do take it personally. I am a person after all
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No worries man. I'm having a very long week at work and just re-read everything. I apologize for the misunderstanding and using arrogant in my replies. I know you're just looking out for the forum.

theesotericone said:
No worries man. I'm having a very long week at work and just re-read everything. I apologize for the misunderstanding and using arrogant in my replies. I know you're just looking out for the forum.
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Thanks Dude. I know you didn't have to apologise, but it means a lot to me that you took the time out of your bad week to do so. It did hurt me because unlike most, I really do care what people think about me - for my sins. I have moved on now, so thank you again so much!
Edit > now I feel bad haha