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LG china confirms: GB for 3D&OB delay again until the end of this year

http://www.lg.com/cn/support/data/notice/cnntc111118000301.jsp
LG would like to express its sincere thanks to all of the Optimus Series owners who have been waiting patiently for the Android 2.3 Gingerbread upgrade. We are excited by the high level of product interest that LG Optimus Series owners have shown, and we are taking all possible measures to offer a smooth OS upgrade in a timely manner.
The [Number of models] premium smartphones of the Optimus Series, [Optimus Black and
Optimus 3D] will be upgraded in our market as outlined below.
LG Optimus Black and 3D: the end of December 2011
Again, LG greatly appreciates the support and feedback that customers have given during the upgrade delay, and we will do our utmost to continually provide better service in the future.
Thank you very much.

Not good LG,its very bad...

They said "in our market", it means in China. That mean it does not conflict with the official press release which said that the update will be rolled out for Europe open models in the week of 21st followed by other markets and carriers until the end of the year. So, if we get the kzd file for open models this week, no need to wait for other carriers.

exe127 said:
http://www.lg.com/cn/support/data/notice/cnntc111118000301.jsp
LG would like to express its sincere thanks to all of the Optimus Series owners who have been waiting patiently for the Android 2.3 Gingerbread upgrade. We are excited by the high level of product interest that LG Optimus Series owners have shown, and we are taking all possible measures to offer a smooth OS upgrade in a timely manner.
The [Number of models] premium smartphones of the Optimus Series, [Optimus Black and
Optimus 3D] will be upgraded in our market as outlined below.
LG Optimus Black and 3D: the end of December 2011
Again, LG greatly appreciates the support and feedback that customers have given during the upgrade delay, and we will do our utmost to continually provide better service in the future.
Thank you very much.
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Chinese phones may but we haven't got chinese phones...

abo_mara7 said:
They said "in our market", so it does not conflict with the official press release which said that the update will be rolled out for Europe open models in the week of 21st followed by other markets and carriers until the end of the year. So, if we get the kzd file for open models this week, no need to wait for other carriers.
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Would a simple step KDZ update process, update the baseband as well?

exceleth said:
Would a simple step KDZ update process, update the baseband as well?
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yes

exceleth said:
Would a simple step KDZ update process, update the baseband as well?
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Sure, this baseband installation just in the leaked ROM, kdz file will have baseband + Original Recovery(Evrything will et back to stock).

Perfect, thats what I wanted to hear

Its all right being optimistic and speculating but I think LG have been purposefully vague.
I do hope they are only referring to the Chinese/Asian market but if the update was ready then why wasn't it released some time yesterday?
Hope I'm wrong though...

very frustration
LG very badly............................

Speak with lg germany:
LG Electronics Deutschland Hallo xxx,
wie du richtig angemerkt hast, ist die Meldung von LG China und hat aus diesem Grund mit Europa und insbesondere Deutschland nichts zu tun
in english:
LG Electronics Germany:
"Hello xxx,as you correctly noted, is the message from LG China, and for this reason that has nothing to do with Europe and especially Germany."
So for Europe the week from 21.11 is the current date for the update to 2.3

[Q] ICS 4.0.5 coming to i9020a this month (march)?

I saw some articles on the internet. (mostly rumours) that ICS 4.0.5 would be released for the Nexus S i9020a (for all variants for that matter). Does anyone have any more knowledge on this?
Anyways, so i guess i'm unrooting and returning to stock so that I can get the OTA update. Hopefully it will be out this month
EDIT: Any i9020a users who have received the 4.0.4 update either in the united states (AT&T) or in canada (fido/rogers) please post!

I wish man... but I gotta say this silence from Google is just plain annoying. Yes, I can root and install a ROM (which I already did, running BuglessBeast!) But to ignore every single Thread in their mobile forums regarding the OTA is the worst Customer Support ever.

rasengan82 said:
I wish man... but I gotta say this silence from Google is just plain annoying. Yes, I can root and install a ROM (which I already did, running BuglessBeast!) But to ignore every single Thread in their mobile forums regarding the OTA is the worst Customer Support ever.
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I feel yaa! I hate it. I was running BugglessBeast too but just returned it to stock so that I can get the OTA update. Just being safe I'll be patient this month. If it doesn't come out by this month I'll root again and run bugless beast. There's something about official updates that makes me wanna have em over custom roms. Don't know what it is lol

Yup, I am sure I will get the Stock OTA from Google and then flash back to BuglessBeast or CM9 again LOL.

rasengan82 said:
Yup, I am sure I will get the Stock OTA from Google and then flash back to BuglessBeast or CM9 again LOL.
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nicee I'm waiting this month. I really hope it comes out. Do you know their official site or something where I can follow them? Like I'm following them on twitter for now. Anything else?

Me too, I am just following GoogleNexus from Twitter.

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Me too, I am just following GoogleNexus from Twitter.
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They hardly ever update their status. I wish they could tell us at what stage they're in for the ICS OTA update or at least tell us if we will be getting it or not. I would rather know that I'm not getting the ICS update rather than being left on the edge of my seat for monthsss.. It's been eternity ughh
EDIT: Couldn't stand being on gingerbread. I missed all the features of ICS (especially panorama shot ) So I rooted and went back to the bugless beast rom. LOOOL FTW

I seen a chart of ICS UPDATE release dates somewhere that had NEXUS S receiving the update in MARCH and that's all I've been able to find so I'm really hoping its correct (balls crossed) Have any other PHONES received the update as of yet????? If not then that's a real good sign we're still gonna get it. -KID ANDROID

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I seen a chart of ICS UPDATE release dates somewhere that had NEXUS S receiving the update in MARCH and that's all I've been able to find so I'm really hoping its correct (balls crossed) Have any other PHONES received the update as of yet????? If not then that's a real good sign we're still gonna get it. -KID ANDROID
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I've seen that chart too! Let's hope it speaks the truth.

I personally love the ics aosp roms. They will defiantly be better than ota
Don't see how the ota will be better. Plus who needs ota when the custums run so buttery smooth and have such great features.
Edit: as for my signature
I just jumped boat to VGNexus and am loving life. Cheers.
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Why concerned that much about unrooting and back to stock ? The xda forums will bring the official update even before Google knows about it lol..

^^^^^^^^
Ain't that the truth!
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All articles about 4.0.5 are related to the same french carrier website (SFR). And more especially the dedicated to Android part of the support website.
http://android.sfr.fr/maj-optimisez-votre-mobile-android-mettez-le-a-jour-previsions-7
As a french native speaker, I've been through the page and the comment section below.
On the top of the page you can see a picture according to wich the 4.0.5 OTA is comming to both Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S in march.
Of course, people are asking for a more accurate release date in the comment section wich SFR of course won't provide : still they seem to confirm the 4.0.5 update in March.
"ICS est prévu pour Mars pour le Nexus S !"
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"ICS is planned for March for the Nexus S !"
(posted by "Team Club SFR Android" on 2012-02-08)
Knowing the fact that Nexus's updates usually come directly from Google (*), we may expect the OTA before the end of the month.
Though, I believe most of the SFR Nexus S are the i9023 (almost the same, screen appart as the i9020T if I'm not mistaken) as this is the most common variant in Europe (this is in fact the one I bought from France myself, living in a very near country).
(*) wich they confirm also in the comment section :
"En effet le Galaxy Nexus reçoit la MAJ par Google !
SFR valide le soft mais c’est bien Google qui se charge de la diffusion."
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"Indeed the Galaxy Nexus receives the update from Google !
SFR approves the soft(ware) but it's Google who takes care of the diffusion."
(posted by "Team Club SFR Android" on 2012-02-08)
Cheers.

csrnxs said:
All articles about 4.0.5 are related to the same french carrier website (SFR). And more especially the dedicated to Android part of the support website.
http://android.sfr.fr/maj-optimisez-votre-mobile-android-mettez-le-a-jour-previsions-7
As a french native speaker, I've been through the page and the comment section below.
On the top of the page you can see a picture according to wich the 4.0.5 OTA is comming to both Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S in march.
Of course, people are asking for a more accurate release date in the comment section wich SFR of course won't provide : still they seem to confirm the 4.0.5 update in March.
"ICS est prévu pour Mars pour le Nexus S !"
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"ICS is planned for March for the Nexus S !"
(posted by "Team Club SFR Android" on 2012-02-08)
Knowing the fact that Nexus's updates usually come directly from Google (*), we may expect the OTA before the end of the month.
Though, I believe most of the SFR Nexus S are the i9023 (almost the same, screen appart as the i9020T if I'm not mistaken) as this is the most common variant in Europe (this is in fact the one I bought from France myself, living in a very near country).
(*) wich they confirm also in the comment section :
"En effet le Galaxy Nexus reçoit la MAJ par Google !
SFR valide le soft mais c’est bien Google qui se charge de la diffusion."
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"Indeed the Galaxy Nexus receives the update from Google !
SFR approves the soft(ware) but it's Google who takes care of the diffusion."
(posted by "Team Club SFR Android" on 2012-02-08)
Cheers.
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Oh man.. Does that mean that there might not be an update for the i9020a. That's not fair at all most Nexus S are already updated to ICS except for the i9020a which is still on 2.3.6.... some even on 2.3.4 NOT FAIR GOOGLE... NOT FAIR

At this point, there is no clue wether the i9020a will or won't get the update. All I can say is that SFR wich seems to be the only source of all this articles talking about the upcoming 4.0.5 update is I think mostly (I guess only) using i9023 variant of the NS. As they will only approve the update Google will release for their SFR variant (i9023), it's impossible to tell wich variants the update will target. My point is they are talking about the i9023 on their website but still the update could be sent to all NS variants directly from Google. In fact SFR is really almost nothing in the update process. They are just (as a carrier company) I guess somehow more informed about the upcoming update. They seem to confirm March for the update but refuse/can't (it depends on the dev progress and will to release the update, not on them) to give a more accurate date as I stated in my previous comment.

Any guesses what's new in v4.0.5?

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Any guesses what's new in v4.0.5?
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Only thing i know is that the battery drain is gonna be fixed.
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As JBQ noted yesterday on Twitter, 4.0.4 isn't even done:
@rhcp011235 No, I didn't I confirmed that 4.0.4 isn't done yet
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He also said yesterday:
It's not ready yet, so any pre-announcement would run the risk of being inaccurate.
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So, afaik, this "report" is totally false. They aren't even done with 4.0.4. When it is done, then they will deal with pushing out OTAs.

I wonder why people with gingerbread (I can only assumed they did not root because of warranty) care about 4.0.5 when they don't even have 4 at all, or why people with rooted Nexus S care to unroot when they can probably get a better custom ROM than 4.x stock can offer...

cowst said:
I wonder why people with gingerbread (I can only assumed they did not root because of warranty) care about 4.0.5 when they don't even have 4 at all, or why people with rooted Nexus S care to unroot when they can probably get a better custom ROM than 4.x stock can offer...
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Dude... stock is the S**t! Nothing beats stock. Not even custom ROMs. Sure, Custom ROMs may be faster etc. But official is official and you can't beat official.

ICS Sense 3.6 update in Germany relased

Here in Germany some Desire S customers reported that they have a OTA to ICS Sense can somebody please confirm ?
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i am from bosnia and nothing yet now no update

tessut said:
Here in Germany some Desire S customers reported that they have a OTA to ICS Sense can somebody please confirm ?
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Can you provide a link ? Where did you see this reported? This would be awesome news right out of the blue if it's authentic!

i hope you aren't f*****g with us

I am from Bosnia and has yet to update my sensation xl.i hope that will by soon

Is a german fb support page here the link:
http://www.facebook.com/DroidSupport
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Hm .. indeed .. submitted 5hrs ago ..

It was a big surprise from HTC
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i just talked with htc customer service from romania, and he told me that the update will come only in the second part of this year.
Let's hope he lied to me and will have some official leak ASAP

tessut said:
It was a big surprise from HTC
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But on that page, it mention only one such unconfirmed report from one user...

enigmaamit said:
But on that page, it mention only one such unconfirmed report from one user...
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Just wait and see ^^
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Great news guys

Cant wait to get some Ice Cream Sandwich before the summer! Been eating Gingerbread a little to long now

Come on gentlemen, lets not be so easily fooled, I require physical evidence as proof before I believe such news...
That's simply too good to be true......which makes me instantly suspect that it's not
We will get it, just not yet....patience
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium

for sensation it is sure that ics+sense 3.6 is rolled out for desire s i don't belive it before i see it on my phone

Somebody carries Sensation thinking it is Desire S, perhaps?

I have a German Desire S and there is no update available.

Google translate says "Hey people, The Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich including Sense 3.6 Update for HTC S will also be rolled out officially!" So, i assume it's not officially out yet.
EDIT: The FB page claims that this is their source - http://www.areamobile.de/news/21094...d-desire-s-htc-liefert-android-4-0-update-aus

Well,I just read a litle over there and the last statements regarding the saga were(german first)
Also wenn das stimmt wäre das ja der Hammer und eine super Leistung von HTC. Aber laut dem Kundendienst wird das Update für das Desire S noch nicht ausgerollt. Im Artikel steht auch, das bis jetzt nur ein Leser berichtet hat das ICS Update bekommen zu haben. Ich kann mir kaum vorstellen dass das stimmt.
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and the answer was...
diese Aussage ist falsch! Ich kann dir aus einer sicherer Quelle sagen, dass das Desire S auch "momentan" das Update bekommt.
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Short translation ...
Customer service said that the update,for the saga, isn't rolling out just yet.
Also he said that the article says that so far only one user reported that he got the ics update.
The answer from Android Support to this was that the statement made by the customer service is false and that he(Android Support) knows from a trustworthy source that the update for the saga is rolling out right now aswell.
Small edit:momentan which he put in quotes means currently,but with the quotes it doesn't really mean right now but now or in the near future.
Just to clarify this a little.
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Still this ain't really proof of anything and I just wanted to bring you guys up to date with the latest infos over there,but on the other hand it does sound kinda promising.
Well,I guess the next days will show whether they were right or not.

[armitage] said:
Well,I just read a litle over there and the last statements regarding the saga were(german first)
and the answer was...
Short translation ...
Customer service said that the update,for the saga, isn't rolling out just yet.
Also he said that the article says that so far only one user reported that he got the ics update.
The answer from Android Support to this was that the statement made by the customer service is false and that he(Android Support) knows from a trustworthy source that the update for the saga is rolling out right now aswell.
Small edit:momentan which he put in quotes means currently,but with the quotes it doesn't really mean right now but now or in the near future.
Just to clarify this a little.
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Still this ain't really proof of anything and I just wanted to bring you guys up to date with the latest infos over there,but on the other hand it does sound kinda promising.
Well,I guess the next days will show whether they were right or not.
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many thanks for the translation, it did help, but I still stand by if I can't see it then it doesn't exist.....(and no flippant comments about gas etc...).
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium

HTC One S (Ville) is going to get 4.2.2 and Sense 5 after all?! and yes 4.3 too!

Just to make sure about the communication from HTC Europe on Facebook:
ME
What is this with the HTC One S not getting an update to 4.2? Did HTC go mad? I got my phone about twelve months. It has been out since end of April 2012, so you still have some months to go before Google stops 'supporting' the phone. The phone is still among one of the better ones and can run ANY firmware currently around (hence the many custom roms already on 4.2 even for HTC One, S, X, etc).
Please explain why you do (again) fail effort for your customers? I was heavily disappointed by the HTC One, which has a nice Sense 5, but nothing more. The camera sucks big time, as the pictures in all normal situations are sub-par on any other phone. Yes, they are. Take it from a Photographer. So there is no new HTC phone worth replacing the HTC One S, meaning you are killing your own market with this: 'We don't want to make it better, we want to make quick bucks.' Seriously?!
Vind ik leuk · · 4 juli om 13:53
HTC ЕUROPE Sorry for that, please use this contact form http://www.htc.com/in/contact/email/ to tell this. But i a afraid this phone HTC ONE S is not supported anymore. Sorry for that!
Contact Us
www.htc.com
The Americas - HTC Media Relations+1 425 638 [email protected]a – HTC [email protected]A - Nelson Bostock+44 (0) 20 7229 [email protected]
9 juli om 19:05 · Vind ik leuk
ME That is exactly what I mean. Why do many people still choose for an iPhone? Because Apple keeps supporting their phone. Don't come with: 'but we don't make the software'. Partially you do. However the part that is not yours STILL SUPPORTS THE PHONE! Also you could just explain that the court cases have caused you to stop developing for the hardware that is not allowed.
Just so you know: In Europe you are expected (by law) to support hardware for a acceptable period. Basically for IT systems and Electronics that is between the 3 to 5 years (check Microsoft and other vendors for this.
10 juli om 15:02 · Vind ik leuk
HTC ЕUROPE Thanks we will keep that in mind
11 juli om 1:02 · Vind ik niet meer leuk · 1
ME HTC ЕUROPE that is saying as much: 'talk to the hand baby'. Well, in that case: I'll go for a Nexus4. Thanks for the last push. Really should work on your 'customer'/'consumer'-skills. Oh wait, we are no customers...we are just buyers!
12 juli om 11:50 · Vind ik leuk
HTC ЕUROPE Hi, Mark you dont like our costumer service ? Thank you for your feedback, we will give our best to make this service better. Thank you , enjoy the weekend!
12 juli om 20:31 · Vind ik leuk
HTC ЕUROPE Hi, Mark de Haan we have great news for you. If you still use your HTC ONE S it will get update soon. Android 4.2.2 and Sense 5. Thank you !
17 juli om 15:28 · Vind ik niet meer leuk · 1
ME HTC ЕUROPE, if this is a serious and correct claim, I am very happy, as I was almost going to root my phone, to install a custom rom...now I read there are even ones that go to 4.3...I will wait for a little bit longer.
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HTC ЕUROPE Have a nice day! ) 4.3 soon will get just Google Nexus, all other devices will get that after 4-5 months. Please keep on eye our site www.htc.com
HTC - Homepage
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maddehaan said:
Just to make sure about the communication from HTC Europe on Facebook:
ME
What is this with the HTC One S not getting an update to 4.2? Did HTC go mad? I got my phone about twelve months. It has been out since end of April 2012, so you still have some months to go before Google stops 'supporting' the phone. The phone is still among one of the better ones and can run ANY firmware currently around (hence the many custom roms already on 4.2 even for HTC One, S, X, etc).
Please explain why you do (again) fail effort for your customers? I was heavily disappointed by the HTC One, which has a nice Sense 5, but nothing more. The camera sucks big time, as the pictures in all normal situations are sub-par on any other phone. Yes, they are. Take it from a Photographer. So there is no new HTC phone worth replacing the HTC One S, meaning you are killing your own market with this: 'We don't want to make it better, we want to make quick bucks.' Seriously?!
Vind ik leuk · · 4 juli om 13:53
HTC ЕUROPE Sorry for that, please use this contact form http://www.htc.com/in/contact/email/ to tell this. But i a afraid this phone HTC ONE S is not supported anymore. Sorry for that!
Contact Us
www.htc.com
The Americas - HTC Media Relations+1 425 638 [email protected]a – HTC [email protected]A - Nelson Bostock+44 (0) 20 7229 [email protected]
9 juli om 19:05 · Vind ik leuk
ME That is exactly what I mean. Why do many people still choose for an iPhone? Because Apple keeps supporting their phone. Don't come with: 'but we don't make the software'. Partially you do. However the part that is not yours STILL SUPPORTS THE PHONE! Also you could just explain that the court cases have caused you to stop developing for the hardware that is not allowed.
Just so you know: In Europe you are expected (by law) to support hardware for a acceptable period. Basically for IT systems and Electronics that is between the 3 to 5 years (check Microsoft and other vendors for this.
10 juli om 15:02 · Vind ik leuk
HTC ЕUROPE Thanks we will keep that in mind
11 juli om 1:02 · Vind ik niet meer leuk · 1
ME HTC ЕUROPE that is saying as much: 'talk to the hand baby'. Well, in that case: I'll go for a Nexus4. Thanks for the last push. Really should work on your 'customer'/'consumer'-skills. Oh wait, we are no customers...we are just buyers!
12 juli om 11:50 · Vind ik leuk
HTC ЕUROPE Hi, Mark you dont like our costumer service ? Thank you for your feedback, we will give our best to make this service better. Thank you , enjoy the weekend!
12 juli om 20:31 · Vind ik leuk
HTC ЕUROPE Hi, Mark de Haan we have great news for you. If you still use your HTC ONE S it will get update soon. Android 4.2.2 and Sense 5. Thank you !
17 juli om 15:28 · Vind ik niet meer leuk · 1
ME HTC ЕUROPE, if this is a serious and correct claim, I am very happy, as I was almost going to root my phone, to install a custom rom...now I read there are even ones that go to 4.3...I will wait for a little bit longer.
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HTC ЕUROPE Have a nice day! ) 4.3 soon will get just Google Nexus, all other devices will get that after 4-5 months. Please keep on eye our site www.htc.com
HTC - Homepage
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I Doubt for 4.3 but 4.2 will come.

soon, I wish I would have had that word trademarked. So many companies use it these days.

maddehaan said:
Just to make sure about the communication from HTC Europe on Facebook:
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Lol, that was a critical standoff. Kudos
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I reckon he said that to shut you up.
Also, please don't quote the entire original post. Completely clogs the thread up.
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kylepont said:
I reckon he said that to shut you up.
Also, please don't quote the entire original post. Completely clogs the thread up.
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Strange though it would take 5 days to shut him up? the reply was not until the 17th when the original message was sent on the 12th.

We need a official statement from htc, not a facebook comment, and they didn't announced anything lately.

there is nothing official from HTC regarding the update for Ville & Ville C2

The last thing a company wants is a customer repeatedly whining to them over the same issue, even though they keep going back and forth over it. Best thing to do is leave and go to Samsung. Yes, TouchWiz is disgusting, but you will get OFFICIAL support for years.
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kylepont said:
The last thing a company wants is a customer repeatedly whining to them over the same issue, even though they keep going back and forth over it. Best thing to do is leave and go to Samsung. Yes, TouchWiz is disgusting, but you will get OFFICIAL support for years.
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Lately, these closed-sourced drivers are being pain-in-the-*** honestly. I think Samsung, after HTC, have also started this policy. Custom ROMs would ultimately be having some shortcomings. (?)
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HTC have always been closed-source with Sense, haven't they? They were since the Wildfire, at least. It's because their linux OS works differently to the way that the normal AOSP linux OS works, so they're allowed to close-source it.
Eh, whatever, I'm getting a Galaxy S4 on Friday and then I'm not looking back. I'll just buy an aluminum-feeling back cover for it and then I have an improved One S made by a company that I know will give out support for a long time.
And for custom ROMs having shortcomings, take my CharmanDroid Sense 5 as an example. Bluetooth, Wi-Fi tether and FM radio don't work. These are all hardware related, so I see the problem, but we've based this from the Desire 600, which has the same Bluetooth, Wi-Fi antenna and antenna headphones built-in. So what is the problem?
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Samsung aren't any better "overall" at all:
http://readwrite.com/2011/01/14/dat...s-delay-android-updates#awesm=~obe72mm7q0cKM7
http://www.techhive.com/article/256...es_do_the_best_job_with_android_updates_.html
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/the-checkered-slow-history-of-android-handset-updates/
They only support their flagship devices properly, any other phone is pretty much dead on arrival.
HTC imo have the best support overall, they don't release as buggy updates, support a range of phones and bring the updates roughly at the same time across a range.
Their big problem is the way they decide to do stupid things like leaving out key devices i.e. desire hd, sensation etc. (one s is supposedly getting sense V5 now, believe it when I see people actually getting an OTA though........)
Supposedly the GS 2 isn't getting 4.2.2 either now due to optimisation problems (funny as supposedly the GS 2 plus is still getting the update yet iirc the hardware is worse.......), so it will probably be the same for the note I as well.
Samsung were quicker last year with the 4.1 update, however, HTC weren't much longer, iirc about 1-2 months later, however, they brought the update, not just to 1 device but 3 devices. I will be surprised if they can provide a bug free/well optimised update quicker than HTC again this year due to all the GS 4 phones they have released (and they have the note III coming out soon too) and plus touchwiz being even more bloated/feature rich and further away from stock where as HTC so far only has a few phones and their skin is pretty light now.

maddehaan said:
Just to make sure about the communication from HTC Europe on Facebo....
HTC ЕUROPE Sorry for that, please use this contact form http://www.htc.com/in/contact/email/ to tell this. But i a afraid this phone HTC ONE S is not supported anymore. Sorry for that!
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It all read like bot reply...... You might just failed big time too lol
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Something official, that is just FB spam

Terminator19 said:
Samsung aren't any better "overall" at all:
http://readwrite.com/2011/01/14/dat...s-delay-android-updates#awesm=~obe72mm7q0cKM7
http://www.techhive.com/article/256...es_do_the_best_job_with_android_updates_.html
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/the-checkered-slow-history-of-android-handset-updates/
They only support their flagship devices properly, any other phone is pretty much dead on arrival.
HTC imo have the best support overall, they don't release as buggy updates, support a range of phones and bring the updates roughly at the same time across a range.
Their big problem is the way they decide to do stupid things like leaving out key devices i.e. desire hd, sensation etc. (one s is supposedly getting sense V5 now, believe it when I see people actually getting an OTA though........)
Supposedly the GS 2 isn't getting 4.2.2 either now due to optimisation problems (funny as supposedly the GS 2 plus is still getting the update yet iirc the hardware is worse.......), so it will probably be the same for the note I as well.
Samsung were quicker last year with the 4.1 update, however, HTC weren't much longer, iirc about 1-2 months later, however, they brought the update, not just to 1 device but 3 devices. I will be surprised if they can provide a bug free/well optimised update quicker than HTC again this year due to all the GS 4 phones they have released (and they have the note III coming out soon too) and plus touchwiz being even more bloated/feature rich and further away from stock where as HTC so far only has a few phones and their skin is pretty light now.
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All of those are well over a year old. The game has far changed since then. Sony have actually started giving out updates, HTC have dropped devices that could still cope (Desire HD, Desire X, One S(?)) in an attempt to save money, which is shown by the loss that they have made this quarter, and Samsung are supporting lesser phones further, not just flagship phones. Not to mention none of those charts mentioned the worldwide (expect 'Murica) version of the Galaxy S II, which shipped with Gingerbread and is going to get Jelly Bean v2. Three major updates for a non-nexus phone. Even if it doesn't get that, it's still beached on the same version as us despite being a year older and having a year's worse CPU, GPU etc. That kind of says it all, really.
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Fact is, most mobile contracts and legal warrantys run for 2 years so I think it would be just fair to pass laws forcing companies to provide atleast these 2 years of software support.
But these days its all about releasing a new phone every half year and forget about the previous generations...
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kylepont said:
All of those are well over a year old. The game has far changed since then. Sony have actually started giving out updates, HTC have dropped devices that could still cope (Desire HD, Desire X, One S(?)) in an attempt to save money, which is shown by the loss that they have made this quarter, and Samsung are supporting lesser phones further, not just flagship phones. Not to mention none of those charts mentioned the worldwide (expect 'Murica) version of the Galaxy S II, which shipped with Gingerbread and is going to get Jelly Bean v2. Three major updates for a non-nexus phone. Even if it doesn't get that, it's still beached on the same version as us despite being a year older and having a year's worse CPU, GPU etc. That kind of says it all, really.
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They still have relevance though and plus this one is pretty new as it has the one x, gs 3 etc.
Yes it could very well change at any time, shouldn't be much longer till we find out which devices are getting 4.2.2 and 4.3.
Well in the UK, sony are still as slow as anything, only a month or so did the XZ get the update and the funny thing is, the unbranded sim free owners are still waiting for the 4.2.2 update.
The main reason they don't provide updates is because they want people to buy their new phones instead, just a marketing tactic that might work in the short term but won't do them any favours in the long run.
As I said regarding the GS 2 and 4.2.2:
Supposedly the GS 2 isn't getting 4.2.2 either now due to optimisation problems (funny as supposedly the GS 2 plus is still getting the update yet iirc the hardware is worse.......), so it will probably be the same for the note I as well.
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http://www.sammobile.com/2013/07/30...ate-due-to-adjustment-problems-with-touchwiz/
Not much of an issue as it has received two big updates but either way if it is true then I would still be pissed for these reasons:
- galaxy s2 plus is getting it with worse hardware
- the phone was and still is extremely popular unlike our one S, which stop being sold here in the UK, not just in shops but online too like 4-5 months ago......
- it is one of the main reasons why Samsung are where they are today in the smartphone market and so they should provide the update as a thank you to the customers who made that device as successful as it is and in the long run is a big reason why Samsung are dominating the android market.
Well we don't know for sure yet what is happening with the one s, but the guy who leaked that info. has a reputation of being right about htc devices and he was the first to say that the s wouldn't get the update. Yes it will suck if we don't get the 4.2.2 update and I will hate HTC but to say that one company is better than another just because they don't/haven't updated a few devices is just not correct when shown via a number of sites (and many more out there), at least for the time being. They might be better for their "flagship" phones but when it comes to their whole range overall, that is where HTC are the best.
I doubt there will be much difference between USA and the rest of the world when dealing with unbranded/sim free devices except for the time at which updates come out.
What other phones aside from flagship devices are Samsung supporting? Specifically 4.2+ updates?
At the end of the day, you can only expect at least 1 big official android update for non nexus devices, at best 2, any more and you're pushing your luck then. The nexus devices aren't exactly free of this problem either:
nexus one came with 2.1 - got 2.2 and 2.3
nexus s came with 2.3 - got 4.0 and 4.1
galaxy nexus came with 4.0 - got 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3
No reason why the nexus one couldn't have got ICS and especially the nexus s and the 4.2 update.
So I suspect that KLP will be the last update for the GN.

Asked HTC Germaby for Android 4.2.2 with Sense 5 and got this answer
Hallo Filip Brzezik,
thanks again for contact us.
I get the information that the manufacturer of the processor decided that the compatibility is not stable to use that for a long time.
Thats not a decision from htc.
If you really want to have the version 4.2.2 you have to check out htc.dev website.
I think thats the only way for you to get the software. I allready infomed you about the risks what happenes when you root your device.
With the Version 4.1.2 you will have htc sense 5 and Blinkfeed also on the device. So my question is now why do you want to have the version of 4.2.2 ?
I hope this informations will help to answer your questions.
King Regards
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Obvious phones getting 4.2+ will be GS3, N2, N1 a possibility and GS2 maybe as well. It's hard to think because so little Samsung phones come to the UK, compared to the hundreds of variants you get on the different US carriers. HTC getting 4.2+ will be One X, One X+ and One. Can't see the One S getting above 4.1. Sony getting 4.2+ will probably only be the Z and SP. LG and Motorola aren't even worth noting.
Also, EQS in 4.2! We want that!
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so ask when will be 4.1.2 with sense 5?

Meanwhile... Nougat only at the end of February in Europe!!!

Moto Germany just confirmed here
https://twitter.com/Moto_GER/status/823454345928863745
"Leider verschiebt sich das Android 7 Update für die Moto G Familie bis Ende Februar. Wir bitten um noch ein Bisschen Geduld"
How retarded can Moto be?!?! [emoji35]
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In Brazil some users are receiving NPJ25.93-14 via OTA
https://plus.google.com/102395746835702389757/posts/aRYLpan2Eey

Why is it taking so long when India has had it since last year? Maybe India are the beta testers? lol
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I just installed the Indian version from the zip in the Moto G4 forum. I'm planning to switch to lineage soon though
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I'm on lineage now, only concern is camera the rest work well.

onesolo said:
Moto Germany just confirmed here
https://twitter.com/Moto_GER/status/823454345928863745
"Leider verschiebt sich das Android 7 Update für die Moto G Familie bis Ende Februar. Wir bitten um noch ein Bisschen Geduld"
How retarded can Moto be?!?! [emoji35]
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It´s not being retarded at all. They are taking the time to test the builds and take care of found bugs to improve build quality, I actually like that a lot since the update we´ll get is much more stable by the end of February.

Niels Koomans said:
It´s not being retarded at all. They are taking the time to test the builds and take care of found bugs to improve build quality, I actually like that a lot since the update we´ll get is much more stable by the end of February.
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yes, it's being retarded, cause nougat should have been delivery to all world back in final of 2016 !!! Our phones are almost pure google phones!!! Nougat was released in August!!! Manufactures (not just Moto) had the time to test it and deploy it to their phones, specially Moto!!!
Nougat was released in India, and it's full of bugs!!! Didn't they had the time to test it?! come on...
And yes, prob they are delaying the release cause the india release was full of bugs, that's the only positive aspect of that.

You do realise that if they just release it like that, you'd still call them retarded because they release buggy, unfinished builds.
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onesolo said:
yes, it's being retarded, cause nougat should have been delivery to all world back in final of 2016 !!! Our phones are almost pure google phones!!! Nougat was released in August!!! Manufactures (not just Moto) had the time to test it and deploy it to their phones, specially Moto!!!
Nougat was released in India, and it's full of bugs!!! Didn't they had the time to test it?! come on...
And yes, prob they are delaying the release cause the india release was full of bugs, that's the only positive aspect of that.
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Actually I installed the Indian version from zip yesterday and I'm not seeing any bugs at all
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They are getting pushback from the carriers on the update. If you look on their website you'll even see that they state the updates are pending partner approval.

ironman38102 said:
You do realise that if they just release it like that, you'd still call them retarded because they release buggy, unfinished builds.
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And do you realize that I do not want a rush release, but they had more the time to had a perfect release?!?! Nougat was released on August 2016 !!!! More than time to Moto to make a decent release to G4 across the world!!!

Last security update 2016 july...
These delays happen when you sack 2000 employees and try to replace them with cheaper ones.

onesolo said:
yes, it's being retarded, cause nougat should have been delivery to all world back in final of 2016 !!! Our phones are almost pure google phones!!! Nougat was released in August!!! Manufactures (not just Moto) had the time to test it and deploy it to their phones, specially Moto!!!
Nougat was released in India, and it's full of bugs!!! Didn't they had the time to test it?! come on...
And yes, prob they are delaying the release cause the india release was full of bugs, that's the only positive aspect of that.
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You can always flash the official Lineage OS version which contains Android Nougat, that is if you want to root your phone and flash a custom recovery on it a.k.a breaking your warranty.

Niels Koomans said:
You can always flash the official Lineage OS version which contains Android Nougat, that is if you want to root your phone and flash a custom recovery on it a.k.a breaking your warranty.
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Which should i mention works great

I received the OTA today for NPJ25. 93-14. I'm in Australia but the phone defaults to German after a factory wipe. Hopefully others will start receiving them now
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I really prefer to wait for you to fix the bug that I could not presess in the 93-14 overheating, battery drainage and low fps in their animations (note that I did a factory reset and still it was fatal) so if they delay I hope they fix All that and that is a stable version for all the said sayings of this terminal

BiziOS said:
Actually I installed the Indian version from zip yesterday and I'm not seeing any bugs at all
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+1

nykola5 said:
I really prefer to wait for you to fix the bug that I could not presess in the 93-14 overheating, battery drainage and low fps in their animations (note that I did a factory reset and still it was fatal) so if they delay I hope they fix All that and that is a stable version for all the said sayings of this terminal
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Yes, I agree with you. I also have battery drain and low fps in animations.

Am just wondering when we get 7.1.1 hmm?

Can't post like, but made a picture. Lenovo Germany Tweitter Account. They speak for all "retde" and "reteu" devices.
Translated means: "right now we can't tell you any further information concerning the update"
Looks like end of February is a farse (like Ende of December oder January).
And they also mentioned earlier it will be 7.0 and not 7.1.1