There's a lot of discussion about the differences between the Sense Camera and the AOSP camera going on. It's quite often the deciding factor on whether to go with a Sense ROM or an AOSP.
This thread is basically a side by side comparison of how each camera can perform in different conditions. So people have a rough guide to go by. I've taken a few images of identical scenes using each camera, and will display them together in the following posts.
I am by no means a photographer, or an expert on the science behind digital imagery. I just noticed the amount of talk going on about this subject, and thought maybe some evidence would be nice. I hope it serves some kind of purpose.
The images were taken using the highest quality conditions on each camera. And using the auto (aosp) or smart scene (sense) settings.
One thing to note is that the outdoor shots were taken a day apart. The Sense shots were taken on a rather cloudy overcast day, and the AOSP shots were taken in mostly sunny conditions. Even though the Sense shots were taken in darker conditions, they are visibly much brighter.
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Wow that supprised me... I would expect sense to be allot better. It does better in low lighting. But on regular lighting stuff it looks prettier than sense
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Here's a comparison . . . but this one is double blind.
I spend nearly all my time on Sense ROMs, but I happened to be trying out the new BrickBeatz ROM yesterday. As the topic of the AOSP camera vs. Sense was being discussed on another thread yesterday, I decided to do my own test shots.
I've attached one AOSP pic, and one Sense. I've cropped the Sense shot, so you can't tell them apart by aspect ratio too easily (only cropped it by eye on the phone, you can probably figure it out by this if you really wanted, so no cheating!) and also renamed the files, so you can't tell that way either.
Shots were taken in artificial light (compact flourescent) in my kitchen. So the lighting conditions are the same for both shots. Of course, its just a shot taken under one set of conditions. Having a toddler running around limits my time to do more. But natural vs. artificial light, low vs. good light, and a bunch of other variables make it hard to say one is really "better" than the other, unless there is really a huge difference (which I personally don't believe to be the case). Add to this, the fact that there are a plethora of possible settings (and they are not remotely parallel between the 2 camera types) making direct comparison extremely difficult.
So there is just one comparison. Try to guess which is which.
I'm guessing aosp top, sense bottom.
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phatalbert1000 said:
I'm guessing aosp top, sense bottom.
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I'll PM you the answer. Let some more folks take a swag at it, before I post the answer here.
I actually just jumped from CM10 to Venom, since CM10 Nightlies are having build issues (no fault of our dev, all upstream stuff) and I'd been curious about Venom for awhile.
I'm trying to get some good comparison pictures, but it is surprisingly difficult - CM10's camera is not bad by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe I can take more later today in better setups, but none of what I've taken so far is worth posting...except the panorama shot I took, where the Sense camera is the clear winner.
Overall, the biggest difference is definitely in the software...Sense ROMs still have a ridiculously fast camera speed, with or without burst mode, and I'm not sure any AOSP camera can ever truly match that without access to the ImageSense chip that I believe handles some of this picture processing for the phone.
Hopefully more comparisons forthcoming as I find existing pictures to duplicate!
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I'll PM you the answer. Let some more folks take a swag at it, before I post the answer here.
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Top Is aosp, bottom is sense.
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One other thing - the quality of still pictures taken while recording video is notably better on Sense ROMs. Again, I think this is an ImageSense feature...it's designed to handle the workload. AOSP ROMs essentially take a 1080p free-frame, but Sense ROMs take a picture at the standard resolution - though it's still definitely lower-quality than a picture without video would be.
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Top Is aosp, bottom is sense.
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I agree.
WR
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phatalbert1000 said:
I'm guessing aosp top, sense bottom.
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I'm gonna be honest, I cannot actually tell a difference in quality between those two shots. Redpoint, would you mind PMing me the answer?
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Redpoint, would you mind PMing me the answer?
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Done.
I'll wait a bit more, and see if more people want to guess. Then I'll post the answer here.
My guess is that B is Sense, only because it's sharper. But that could easily just be a focus thing.
I'd love to see some more comparison shots contributed if anyone can be bothered. I won't be taking any for the moment, had a few issues changing between ROMs (backups not working, Sense and AOSP, grr.. fresh installs causing headaches.. my fiance becoming increasingly frustrated at me having my head in my phone too much haha).
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to me the main difference is when you are on a aosp or aokp rom you cannot set the camera resolution to 6mp widescreen and take advantage of the whole screen as the viewfinder,
it has to do with the call to getsupportedpicturesizes not returning 6m widescreen in the list...
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Here's a comparison . . . but this one is double blind.
I spend nearly all my time on Sense ROMs, but I happened to be trying out the new BrickBeatz ROM yesterday. As the topic of the AOSP camera vs. Sense was being discussed on another thread yesterday, I decided to do my own test shots.
I've attached one AOSP pic, and one Sense. I've cropped the Sense shot, so you can't tell them apart by aspect ratio too easily (only cropped it by eye on the phone, you can probably figure it out by this if you really wanted, so no cheating!) and also renamed the files, so you can't tell that way either.
Shots were taken in artificial light (compact flourescent) in my kitchen. So the lighting conditions are the same for both shots. Of course, its just a shot taken under one set of conditions. Having a toddler running around limits my time to do more. But natural vs. artificial light, low vs. good light, and a bunch of other variables make it hard to say one is really "better" than the other, unless there is really a huge difference (which I personally don't believe to be the case). Add to this, the fact that there are a plethora of possible settings (and they are not remotely parallel between the 2 camera types) making direct comparison extremely difficult.
So there is just one comparison. Try to guess which is which.
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Okay, so here's the answer:
If viewed on the XDA phone app, the top of is Sense, bottom is AOSP.
If viewed on a computer browser, Photo_A (first photo) is Sense, Photo_B (second) is AOSP.
Surprising eh? Photo_B (bottom pic) is distinctly sharper, and its the AOSP camera. Of the 4 people that posted their guess, all of them got it wrong and assumed the sharper one is Sense. Personally, I would have thought they would be indiscernible, or Sense to be slightly better. So I'm as surprised as anyone.
Of course its just one photo in one specific light condition. There are a huge number of possible light conditions and setting possible. So of course, we can't make an overall judgement based on 2 pics. But its interesting, nonetheless.
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Okay, so here's the answer:
If viewed on the XDA phone app, the top of is Sense, bottom is AOSP.
If viewed on a computer browser, Photo_A (first photo) is Sense, Photo_B (second) is AOSP.
Surprising eh? Photo_B (bottom pic) is distinctly sharper, and its the AOSP camera. Of the 4 people that posted their guess, all of them got it wrong and assumed the sharper one is Sense. Personally, I would have thought they would be indiscernible, or Sense to be slightly better. So I'm as surprised as anyone.
Of course its just one photo in one specific light condition. There are a huge number of possible light conditions and setting possible. So of course, we can't make an overall judgement based on 2 pics. But its interesting, nonetheless.
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Interesting! What were the focus settings for each? I assume they were both automatically focusing on what was in front of them? Or did you have the AOSP camera set to focus on the center every time you take a picture? Did you try tapping-to-focus on Sense? Did you try setting Sense to 8 MP instead of cropping it to match AOSP?
Not nitpicking - just honestly curious what settings you used
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Interesting! What were the focus settings for each? I assume they were both automatically focusing on what was in front of them? Or did you have the AOSP camera set to focus on the center every time you take a picture? Did you try tapping-to-focus on Sense?
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Auto focus in both cases. Didn't tap focus on Sense. Just a quick and dirty test, since I happened to be switching ROMs. Completely anecdotal and nonscientific. I was literally doing this while my 2-year old daughter was running around playing in the kitchen, and I was supposed to be watching her! lol
But I was careful to get as good a shot as possible in both cases, using default settings. One might point out that maybe my hand moved just a bit more when taking the Sense shot. But as far as I'm concerned, how easy it is to get a clear photo is part of what makes a camera "good".
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Did you try setting Sense to 8 MP instead of cropping it to match AOSP?
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Should be 8MP regardless of the aspect ratio, shouldn't it? But I used the "Large" (highest) resolution, anyhow. I didn't think of changing the aspect ratio when I took the shot, so that's why I had the idea of cropping it later. In any case, I don't see how it would make a difference. The difference here seems clearly a matter of focus and sharpness, not resolution.
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While I love CM7 or many other stock android based roms out there, two things on stock android that keeps me going back to Sense-based rom. Rubbish camera app, and so so dialer/contact app.
So this week I have discovered "Go Contact", which is a really decent dialer+contact app that can make me forget about the Sense dialer/contact. But what about camera app?
Stock Android camera app really sucks. Ugly UI with extremely limited control settings, I'm not talking about "vintage looking" filters and all those stuff, but things like ISO settings. As much as I hate Blur or TouchWiz, but almost every phone that I have tried with custom manufacturer UI has camera app that is much better than stock Android's one.
I see that some people have extracted the camera app from Sony Ericsson phones and it seems like it can be installed and used on stock Android framework. I haven't tried that though. My question is, is there any decent camera app on the Market that is comparable to Sense's camera app? That is non-proprietary and not made by manufacturer like Samsung/HTC/Motorola/LG/Sony?
There's a market app called lgcamera that has been recommended to me. Going to try it out today. It also has a camcorder that supports higher bitrate video and in mp4 format instead of 3gp.
Thanks, just tried it out. The UI is a bit rough and needs some work, but it does seem promising. I'll try to do some serious testing with it tomorrow. BTW, does it have anything to do with LG?
No idea, maybe it's based on an lg camera or something..
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Camera360 Ultimate has been my standby on my Desire running CM7. i threw it on my Sensation (running Leedroid) and for some reason, it doesn't go full screen. hopefully when i get CM7 on it, this will be fixed up...
Camera 360 works fullscreen. You will just have to change the picture resolution. It's a great replacement for the sense camera.
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You might check out Vignette it is a paid app but has fantastic reviews. I use it and love it.
Vignette, or FxCamera for that matter, is definitely NOT the type of camera application that I'm looking for. I'm looking for camera apps that give various camera controls like ISO, white balance, exposure, contrast, sharpness, and preferably compression ratio. It would be great if there were apps that provides shutter speed and aperture settings, but I suppose these two settings are harder to implement die to hardware differences.
So far lgCamera seems to be the most promising... Camera 360 has much better UI, but does not offer as many camera controls as lgCamera.
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Vignette, or FxCamera for that matter, is definitely NOT the type of camera application that I'm looking for. I'm looking for camera apps that give various camera controls like ISO, white balance, exposure, contrast, sharpness, and preferably compression ratio. It would be great if there were apps that provides shutter speed and aperture settings, but I suppose these two settings are harder to implement die to hardware differences.
So far lgCamera seems to be the most promising... Camera 360 has much better UI, but does not offer as many camera controls as lgCamera.
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lgCamera is promising, but it has it's problems with freezing videos - never quite sure if when you stop recording it will be able to save the video :-( - plus it cannot record in stereo :-(
let´s starting a petition ro getting hipstamativ on android.
it´s nothing than the most awesome camera.app out there.
http://hipstamatic.com/the_app.html
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Camera 360 works fullscreen. You will just have to change the picture resolution. It's a great replacement for the sense camera.
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But with Camer 360 Ultimate this will not work. I changed the resolution and nothing happened. It was still not fitting the screen (no fullscreen).
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But with Camer 360 Ultimate this will not work. I changed the resolution and nothing happened. It was still not fitting the screen (no fullscreen).
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Same problem here with atrix
The lgcamera app def takes better pictures imo. I was taking pictures back to back and can def see the difference.
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rogermiet said:
But with Camer 360 Ultimate this will not work. I changed the resolution and nothing happened. It was still not fitting the screen (no fullscreen).
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Are you using a downloaded apk? If so then turn compatibility off within spare parts, reboot your phone and try the app again.
The thing i'm looking for is a camera with manual focus not the ****ty touch to focus crap which htc seem to deem acceptable or for that matter, 360, zoom, vignette or any of the others i've tried, no camera seems to offer manual zoom, like a slider or a dial.
Pretty bad when you want to take a pic up close, using macro doesn't always work.
lokhor said:
There's a market app called lgcamera that has been recommended to me. Going to try it out today. It also has a camcorder that supports higher bitrate video and in mp4 format instead of 3gp.
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Great app, thx for the tip!
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Camera 360 works fullscreen. You will just have to change the picture resolution. It's a great replacement for the sense camera.
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I tried to do so, changed resolution to 3264x2448, restarted app, but can't get it to work full screen :/
Same problem here with my Sensation.
With the new roms based on ICS seems that the problem is solved (Camera360 runs full screen).
Two months ago, or more, I sent an email to the developers but they have not done anything.
I'm testing CameraPro that has enough advanced options.
Use MIUI rom... it has a decent camera. Here are a few pics taken with it... the one pic is the same but in night and day.
The title said it all...i want to take the mots beautiful pictures possible, and i experience imo some diferent quality depending on wich rom i used .
Maybe someone had an aswer for me...
Thanks
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audiogab said:
The title said it all...i want to take the mots beautiful pictures possible, and i experience imo some diferent quality depending on wich rom i used .
Maybe someone had an aswer for me...
Thanks
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If you install sense based roms the camera is much better compared to cm10 or asop roms
All sense based roms, the camera is better
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Camera appears to function as stock camera running ViperX
Although I prefer the ui of the sense camera, the cm camera still seems to produce similar quality images. At least I don't notice a difference.
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Although I prefer the ui of the sense camera, the cm camera still seems to produce similar quality images. At least I don't notice a difference.
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That's not really true. The AOSP roms don't make use of the Imagesense chip. I've used both and the AOSP camera doesn't come anywhere near close to the Sense camera.
There's a lot of talk from the AOSP camp about using apps from Play Store to take nice pictures with the AOSP camera, but you just can't replicate the quality of the Sense camera. The AOSP camera cannot take an image in the same definition as the Sense camera can, so you're just trying to beautify a lower definition image.
After all that, to the OP: The Viper XL 2.0 rom uses the latest version and it takes beautiful images.
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Camera appears to function as stock camera running ViperX
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There are a number of differences between the camera on ViperXL and stock. For one thing, the camera on Viper is the Sense 4.5 camera (slightly different interface layout, and more "Scene" options). Also the hi-bitrate camera mod option is available in AROMA when flashing Viper.
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That's not really true. The AOSP roms don't make use of the Imagesense chip. I've used both and the AOSP camera doesn't come anywhere near close to the Sense camera.
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I've only played with AOSP ROMs for a short time. But the camera is one thing I focused on, and I agree with the poster above yours, that there does not seem to be a significant difference between the image quality on AOSP vs. Sense.
I haven't read any meaningful mention of what the ImageSense chip actually does. My gut feel is that its just marketing baloney, and not a tangible difference.
The difference I have noticed, is that the Sense camera is much faster at auto-focusing before capturing the photo, and its in important difference. Layout of the Sense camara IMO is also more functional, and has some features I believe are not present in AOSP, including face recognition and tapping on an specific area of the image to focus there. Also believe the AOSP camera does not include an aspect ratio that takes advantage of the full screen size at full resolution.
As I've already mentioned, my experience with the AOSP camera is pretty limited. But from what I've experience, the Sense camera wins on a bunch of aspects. Not image quality, but other features.
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There are a number of differences between the camera on ViperXL and stock. For one thing, the camera on Viper is the Sense 4.5 camera (slightly different interface layout, and more "Scene" options). Also the hi-bitrate camera mod option is available in AROMA when flashing Viper.
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I've only played with AOSP ROMs for a short time. But the camera is one thing I focused on, and I agree with the poster above yours, that there does not seem to be a significant difference between the image quality on AOSP vs. Sense.
I haven't read any meaningful mention of what the ImageSense chip actually does. My gut feel is that its just marketing baloney, and not a tangible difference.
The difference I have noticed, is that the Sense camera is much faster at auto-focusing before capturing the photo, and its in important difference. Layout of the Sense camara IMO is also more functional, and has some features I believe are not present in AOSP, including face recognition and tapping on an specific area of the image to focus there. Also believe the AOSP camera does not include an aspect ratio that takes advantage of the full screen size at full resolution.
As I've already mentioned, my experience with the AOSP camera is pretty limited. But from what I've experience, the Sense camera wins on a bunch of aspects. Not image quality, but other features.
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Sorry but I just don't understand how people can't see the difference in quality.
I'm currently doing some testing on both cameras and will post the results sometime tomorrow.
I'll have some side-by-side comparisons of identical scenes from both cameras for people to check out, about ten in total.
HTC has installed dedicated ISP...which is major reason of better image quality on HOX...AOSP roms may not have required libs to use ISP...just my thought.
And yes...Sense based roms have better image quality than AOSP roms.
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Sorry but I just don't understand how people can't see the difference in quality.
I'm currently doing some testing on both cameras and will post the results sometime tomorrow.
I'll have some side-by-side comparisons of identical scenes from both cameras for people to check out, about ten in total.
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As I mentioned, my time on AOSP ROMs is limited. And I didn't do any side-by-side comparisons. Just based on my opinion, and purely anecdotal evidence, so take it for what its worth. But while I won't call myself a photographer (or anything close), I do spend a good amount of time on my DSLR as an amateur enthusiast, and at least a bit discriminating about photo quality. And I didn't see any significant difference in image quality.
I'd love to see your side-by-side comparisons.
I just need to take a few more shots with the AOSP camera then I'll compile them all and let you know.
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I just need to take a few more shots with the AOSP camera then I'll compile them all and let you know.
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I am excited to see these, as I'm currently on CM10 and trying to decide if I want to jump over to Viper for a bit.
Ok so I got the images uploaded, here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1943160
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Ok so I got the images uploaded, here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1943160
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Really wish you would have just posted the comparison pics here. Its really the same topic, and it makes for a disjointed discussion.
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Really wish you would have just posted the comparison pics here. Its really the same topic, and it makes for a disjointed discussion.
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I guess I felt that the topic deserved its own thread, so it's easier for people to actually find a comparison between the cameras. It's the only thread I could find that actually shows that.
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I guess I felt that the topic deserved its own thread, so it's easier for people to actually find a comparison between the cameras. It's the only thread I could find that actually shows that.
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Yeah, I see the point in getting more exposure to comparison pics in particular. But it just makes for a disjointed discussion, as I mentioned. You and I had some discussion that started here, and it gets carried over there. Then other users that pick up the discussion on the other thread don't know what we discussed on this thread. See what I'm getting at?
I don't think you're really in the wrong here, just my 2 cents.
Is there a way to bring the sense Camera application and libraries as an additional flash zip to AOSP roms?
Simply, no.
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Is there a way to bring the sense Camera application and libraries as an additional flash zip to AOSP roms?
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Rohan made a detailed explanation here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780038
To compare AOSP and Sense camera results, one would have create very controlled conditions and be very scientific. From my experience, the comparison can be very subjective. I have known both cameras to perform just fine to the extent that we can use them. I prefer the Sense camera only because it has some options that I like.
My sincere suggestion to you is to try them both and come to your own conclusions.
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To compare AOSP and Sense camera results, one would have create very controlled conditions and be very scientific. From my experience, the comparison can be very subjective. I have known both cameras to perform just fine to the extent that we can use them. I prefer the Sense camera only because it has some options that I like.
My sincere suggestion to you is to try them both and come to your own conclusions.
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A new thread was made in the General subforum, with some comparison pics. I'll agree that they are not necessarily as controlled or scientific as you mentioned. But interesting, nonetheless. You may find some of the results surprising, even.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1943160
When ever I take pictures their are black bars on the side of the pictures. Also when I'm in the camera app everything looks like it has a weird filter but when I take the picture they are clear.
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When ever I take pictures their are black bars on the side of the pictures. Also when I'm in the camera app everything looks like it has a weird filter but when I take the picture they are clear.
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Which ROM are you using?
Rom I'm using.
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Which ROM are you using?
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Im using CM 9.1 by scverhagen.
Yeh I have the same rom as you CM9 R8 and to me the image on the screen isnt as clear but when you take a pic it seems the resolution turns out better than you expected. I also noticed that the camera button on the side of your phone doesnt work which is lame I really liked using that for picture taking it was handy but oh well cant be perfect for a rom. If you want also do what I did, I just downloaded other camera and video apps. Way better than the stock app and on the screen they show up as better resolution than the stock app
Yeah, unfortunately the camera apps that come with CM/AOKP ROMs are very lacking on this phone, compared to the stock camera app. There are some third-party apps that do reasonably well, though. I like Camera360.
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When ever I take pictures their are black bars on the side of the pictures. Also when I'm in the camera app everything looks like it has a weird filter but when I take the picture they are clear.
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The black bars on the side is because the phone has a 16x9 screen but the picture is being taken in the 4:3 ratio. It's the same thing as watching an old tv show on a new widescreen tv.
Talking about our camera, has anyone figured out a way to port our camera to Cyanogen? That's the only thing that's stopping me from flashing a Rom, considering I've had this phone for a year.
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The black bars on the side is because the phone has a 16x9 screen but the picture is being taken in the 4:3 ratio. It's the same thing as watching an old tv show on a new widescreen tv.
Talking about our camera, has anyone figured out a way to port our camera to Cyanogen? That's the only thing that's stopping me from flashing a Rom, considering I've had this phone for a year.
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CM will never run a Sense camera because of framework/libs
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Give ICS Camera or Camera JB+ a try. They are definitely fitting replacements for stock and you'll be very happy with results.
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I've tried both apps but have serious issues with those and the included ICS or JB camera apps. So far none have worked to record video.
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1080 does not work on anything but a GB ROM with this phone, make sure that at most 720 is selected...
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Give ICS Camera or Camera JB+ a try. They are definitely fitting replacements for stock and you'll be very happy with results.
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Well I'm running the RemICS_UX port from the HD2. Not bad of a rom. It's over samsungized but I'll find a theme for it. It claims to have the 1080p recording so lets see how that works out.
I personally don't care for all the "features" of the stock CAMERA app since I can always download a 3rd party app that will be on par. I only use night mode, macro and automatic. My main concern is 1080p recording (and that the mic doesn't sound so crappy).
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Well I'm running the RemICS_UX port from the HD2. Not bad of a rom. It's over samsungized but I'll find a theme for it. It claims to have the 1080p recording so lets see how that works out.
I personally don't care for all the "features" of the stock CAMERA app since I can always download a 3rd party app that will be on par. I only use night mode, macro and automatic. My main concern is 1080p recording (and that the mic doesn't sound so crappy).
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I believe the 1080 not working has more to do with HTC Android drivers for the camera, rather than the available choice in the software.
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I believe the 1080 not working has more to do with HTC Android drivers for the camera, rather than the available choice in the software.
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Yeah, trying to record in 1080 makes the button useless. I'm starting to feel that the phone doesn't have real 1080p feature. My last phone was a Huawei Comet/U8150 and I had a very similar issue with the camera. Turned out that the phone had a 2.0 megapixel camera that was made to look like a 3.0 by the stock software. It was a sorry excuse of a camera.
I'm going to have to think about this one. I wonder if we could somehow port or rewrite a code to get 1080p working. Sadly, I know nothing about android development. My main thought was to sit the htc camera apk on top of cyanogen but I've read up that it's not that simple.... which I find weird considering someone has the beats by dre stuff on their mytouch4g slide rom.
Its not to complicated to understand but it is to fix. You see it does have true 1080 recording and it still one of the best cellphone cameras to date. Thing is if you want to run a custom ROM that is not based of the original T-Mobile release then some things may not be the same, the camera being one.
Unless you can get ahold of the proprietary camera drivers or write you're own you will be missing much of what is available. And any app based off the HTC framework will not work of different, such as cyanogen or even aosp.
Even phones that have been nearly torn apart by some super smart people doesn't mean that everything imaginable is possible or at least not easy. Try running sense on a Samsung phone, not too easy. Just saying be happy for what you have unless you know a sneaky backdoor to these issues that no one has thought of yet
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I knew it had to lay within the coding.
I already imagined that it would be hard. Such a shame...
So, I have been messing around. And I have come to find that the stock Camera.apk and CameraFirmware.apk from the SGS4G on froyo 2.2.1 are mostly compatible with the Sidekick 4G. In fact the camera looks better, and we could possibly port the zoom features somhow 0.0 so I have been trying to figure out how I can get started with this "idea". It would be awesome, there are a couple bugs so far.
Bugs:
-No zoom (yet)
-No highest res in Video Recorder
-Some resolutions have no review screen
-front camera is flipped 90 degrees cc ( I wanna work on this first really, if I can get some help starting it)
Just looking for stuff to do with my limited current knowledge.
(Sorry, still new to informative posting -_-)
I just linked some shots
Here is plain camera view, you can pinch and see the zoom box but the image doesn't change
--> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83829634/Android/Screenshots/device-2013-06-15-114243.png
Here is the flipped-sideways front facing shot --> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83829634/Android/Screenshots/device-2013-06-15-114814.png
And last, here is the said apks:
Camera.apk --> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83829634/Android/CameraApks/Camera.apk
CameraFirmware.apk --> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/83829634/Android/CameraApks/CameraFirmware.apk
That would be nice to have if it works better. The camera is one of the weakest links on this device I think.
I know little to nothing about the cameras hardware or software, you may just need to match the libs but you also may need to rewrite drivers, that part is hard.
Keep us posted, very interesting!
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demkantor said:
I know little to nothing about the cameras hardware or software, you may just need to match the libs but you also may need to rewrite drivers, that part is hard.
Keep us posted, very interesting!
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It would be awesome to finally have a camera with zoom is what I have been thinking. I'm not very good when it comes to code, I've still been taking courses and practicing here and there. But as far as testing it out, I can practice on my own device and let you know if I figure some things out.
Maybe another thread somewhere has the information I need to get started. Flipping the screen should probably be easy. (Hopefully heh)
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Haven't found anything too helpful as for the screen flip. Maybe I am looking in all of the wrong places? Tried Google-- got nothing, and maybe the forums use a certain term or something.
Maybe try to change picture size instead of screen flipin as the only big issue would be on screen buttons but should still work ?
If you still look for screen flip its basically the same screen same size an everything so instead of looking to flip change the location of them?
Sorry going off the few post with no pics or video of it
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Sorry about that, I'll see if I can grab up a screenshot when I get home tonight.
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Ha! And here I've been thinking this is a good camera that takes pretty dang good photos! I also thought it did zoom but mine was broken
It's not the worst camera out there. I do wish they had included a flash though. The Sidekick LX 2009 (last Danger HiptopOS version) had a flash.
Just out of curiosity did they kinda downgrade i guess world be the word the sk camera. I notice in alot of aftermarket camera apps it registers as being 4.9mp like the sgs
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Pics didn't seem to attach to main thread, weird, somherenyango,b4 and after hack
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Seems won't do more than one pic from premium apk,says it will do 20
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Difference between the 2 is amazing! Remember camera setting were same,5mp and stock settings.
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Notice grass and other serial.niice
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I'm sorry,I attached all pics in main thread and on premium apk it says each can do 20 pics. It lied lol,sorry,hope you enjoy, all these pics. Were basic settings at 5mp,pic settings can be tweaked to make even better.
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Where is the apk?
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I thought the Max pixel resolution was determined from a hardware sensor fitted in the optical chain?
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No, android has max set in op system itself,prob just in case some chips can't handle 100%. And when u change %,s and u get almost 40% bigger files when pic is taken that's sweet.
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sefuleo said:
Where is the apk?
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Like I said on op lol,its a hack,settings change. To make a flashable zip it would have to be madenfor every single ROM independently. Whew. Gtalk me for instructions. [email protected] is my handle,I'll answer as soon as I can. Do not email please. Now I LOVE the ROM I'm on and gtalk seems to be borking so give me a bit till dev tells me why.thanx
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Crwolv said:
Like I said on op lol,its a hack,settings change. To make a flashable zip it would have to be madenfor every single ROM independently. Whew. Gtalk me for instructions. [email protected] is my handle,I'll answer as soon as I can. Do not email please. Now I LOVE the ROM I'm on and gtalk seems to be borking so give me a bit till dev tells me why.thanx
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Wow overwhelming response on my gall lmao. OK I'm going to have to make a thread even a couple of them probably one in the main Android that session because so many devices can do this hack/tweak/OC. I need to make some threads and I obviously suck at it, I get it in XDA premium apk and no pics stuck. On browser now. is there anyone willing to help make me a killer thread with complete instructions pictures and everything we will do it together with both our names or even more people the more help the merrier. Thanx
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Difference between the 2 is amazing! Remember camera setting were same,5mp and stock settings.
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I see no difference whatsoever, except the different white balance. Well, in fact I like the original one better
Logically, as the sensor size is FIXED, as has already been said :good:
The XDA Premium only allows 1 attachment to upload. I've seen this myself.
Pics look good, especially on darker pictures. Although I'm not sure how true to life they are without being there, but seems there is more visual offerings with it lightened.
Does the camera still take "instant" photos with the higher settings?
Want to post how to do this in OP? Should be helpful...
My guess is its a change in compression of the jpeg file.
When the CCD gets lit up with raw data it then converts to jpeg with a specific compression ratio.
That compression ratio will always be a lower quality than the raw data... Because its compressed. Your not taking RAW pics your taking JPG pics (or tiff, or PNG, or whatever).
All of those formats are compressed and by changing the compression ratio you can dramatically change the way the pic looks. Also results in a larger size because the pic has been compressed less to allow for more detail.
Thats just my guess anyways...
I think the edits can be added to build prop but not sure how effective they are. I tried them on a few different ROMS and no one ever spoke to the good or bad of it. No one even noticed.
But if he is talking something different than I am humbled...
You talk too much about your mod but less sharing.. LOL. What's the use of this thread?
turvat1377 said:
You talk too much about your mod but less sharing.. LOL. What's the use of this thread?
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Such a nice comment, first its not a mod,its a hack and I said I will post directions soon.want to explain it so MEMBERS won't mess up. Didn't talk to much posted about it and results,its in 7+ ROMs and its helped many. Sorry you can't wait a little bit for directions,I even said if ya can't wait to gtalk me but you just had to almost troll. Come on,be nice. Directions soon. Getting help from pro's on proper way to explain it so cuz I care about people and only want to help.
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My guess is its a change in compression of the jpeg file.
When the CCD gets lit up with raw data it then converts to jpeg with a specific compression ratio.
That compression ratio will always be a lower quality than the raw data... Because its compressed. Your not taking RAW pics your taking JPG pics (or tiff, or PNG, or whatever).
All of those formats are compressed and by changing the compression ratio you can dramatically change the way the pic looks. Also results in a larger size because the pic has been compressed less to allow for more detail.
Thats just my guess anyways...
I think the edits can be added to build prop but not sure how effective they are. I tried them on a few different ROMS and no one ever spoke to the good or bad of it. No one even noticed.
But if he is talking something different than I am humbled...
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Its actually in androids file to control the camera and more. Media profile.XML
Very simple,but confusing to some so getting a couple of pro's to help me write directions. Also to other comments....pics sent here are compressed so once hack is used and your pic size is 3+ megs instead of 2 you will enjoy.