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[Q] Help back to S-ON sensation

Hi everybody, i'm new on this forum 'cause i'm french indeed i spend my time on Frandroid.fr !
First of all i would like to say sorry for my bad english i'll use i'm just trying to do my best in order to you can read this message.
So, i'm here because i have a problem with my HTC sensation, he had the problem that he powered off all the time even when i didn't use it. To escape this problem i flashed an ICS ROM with Recovery etc.. Then the problem hasn't been resolved so i decided to send my phone at the warranty, but before i have to put my sensation in S-ON, so i used the RUU VODAFONE and i changed my CID in VODPA203. I've seen that there were 3 steps before put the phone in S-ON, first i must have an Hboot less than 1.18 that i have, second be in official ROM that i have and the last step is have a CID HTC that i have (VODAP203).
The problem i have is that on the bootloader, i haven't got the ***LOCKED*** at the top of the screen (sorry i can't put my photo links yet...)
In other words, i THINK, but i'm not sure that my bootloader is not LOCKED.
So can i do the process in order to put my phone in S-ON without the ***LOCKED*** ? Is it risky to do it without ?
I hope that you'll understand my message because it's probably bad english, and a bit to long but i think that i had to explain my problem to you understand.
Thank you, Sharazed.

Not clear enough but not for the english.
What your bootloader says? **unlocked** or **locked** (I think unlocked).
If you attempt to lock again by HtcDev it will show **re-locked**.
The bootloader is now officially unlockable by htc so I wouldn't worry about it.
Not clear if you went back to s-on already or not.
This guide can be useful (step 5)

That's the problem !
Nothing is written at the top of my bootloader, neither LOCKED nor UNLOCKED, just start with PYRAMID...
I can't show you the screen because i have to post 8 messages before.. Normally there is written LOCKED or UNLOCKED but not on my bootloader, that's why i'm asking you if i can do the process, i'll see your link thank's !
After read your link i can't do it from number 6 (STEP 5) to number 9 cause i'm not sure that's my phone is locked.

You never had nothing on top since you had this phone?
I mean no **locked** and no **unlocked**?
By the way if you were able to flash an ics rom (with new firmware and custom recovery), obviously you are unlocked and s-off

Yes i think that i'm unlocked because before used the RUU i was unlocked but as it's not sure, i'm scared to brick my phone you know.
So i hope that i 'll can send you my pictures then you could compare with other phones, but on the french forum, nobody ever seen that before i can write you what i see on my bootloader:
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.17.0008
RADIO_10.11.9007.15_M
eMMC-boot
May 13 2011, 21:04:57
That's what i see !
Thank's !

Definitely your phone is unlocked.
You couldn't be S-Off, if it was locked.
Hboot is the right one for GB.
You can go through the S-ON procedure without problems.
Just be carefull and follow instructions.
Please hit thanks button if you wish

What do you mean by GB ?

Ginger Bread (android 2.3)

Okay, but i read that i had to be LOCK before go to S-ON so is it dangerous ?

Sharazed said:
Okay, but i read that i had to be LOCK before go to S-ON so is it dangerous ?
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There is no need to lock again for 2 reasons.
1) Bootloader is officially unlockable by HtcDev. If you lock again it will show **re locked**. Your warranty is void in any case.
Your bootloader has never been locked (according to what you said).

I don't understant because on the french tutorial, it says that i must have my bootloader locked and hboot inferior at 1.18 then if the bootloader is unlocked by revolutionnary (that i had before use the RUU) it's not advisable to back to S-ON.
And you are telling me that i need not to put my bootloader locked to do the process ?
I'm totally lost !
I have to write 8 messages before link my pictures, you'll see my case

Locking bootloader and S-On are 2 different things.
Your situation is uncommon because the sensation is usually shipped **locked** and S-On.
Then, in order to S-Off you need to unlock first.
In your case you are S-Off already without unlocking by HtcDev, so it means that it was shipped unlocked (strange but this is what you say), hence no need to relock in my opinion.

No he wasn't usually shipped UNLOCKED (S-OFF..), but i have unlocked it because my phone is knowing reboot lonely, so i decided to flash Recovery and ICS rom, but with the ROM the bug had persisted.
And now I used the RUU to erase the ICS rom and put my phone in S-ON, but after using the RUU and follow all steps, i see that nothing is written at the top of my bootloader, neither ***LOCKED*** nor ***UNLOCKED*** as before..
So i'm asking you if i can finally put my phone in S-ON without the word LOCKED at the top of my bootloader ?!
Thank's !

Little up !

Nobody know ?

[Q] **Relocked** in bootloader

Just a quick question. I have a One S on T-mobile and Ive unlocked the bootloader, rooted the stock rom, changed the the CID, sim unlocked the device, relocked the bootloader and ran the the stock RUU. Its totally unbranded now and running just fine.
However in the bootloader it shows **Relocked** Is there a way to show **Locked** again? Ive tried searching, but cant find a definitive answer. Help is appreciated.

Not without S-OFF as far as I am aware. However, for HTC warranty purposes, relocked should be fine.

Thanks, not really an issue as such, but it would of rounded off my unbranding adventure nicely

Can't change it back to locked until we get s=off and ability to flash a custom hboot
Sent from my HTC VLE_U using xda premium

Desire S Bootloader Question

I have read various guides, and eventually taken the plunge to downgrade my bootloader.
htcDev Unlock
Goldcard
Install oldest RUU
S-OFF using revolutionary
Flash CWM recovery
Backup Stock 2.33 ROM with Sense
Install CM9
Feeling quite pleased with myself, even though you guys have really done all the hard work, I've just followed the steps!
What I can't find is this;
If I go back to the Stock ROM and updates are offered OTA, if I accept, will this, not only bring me back to 2.3.5 with Sense 3.0, but also change my bootloader back to 2.00.0002 Locked and S-ON ?

Unfortunately it will be *RELOCKED* and S-ON
Sent from my HTC Desire S

amidabuddha said:
Unfortunately it will be *RELOCKED* and S-ON
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What he said. If you wanted to remain "locked" and not "relocked" - you should have avoided unlocking the bootloader, and should have used temp-root for misc_version.

Ok, what are the inplications of being 'RE-LOCKED'
Like CM9, but get the feeling development stalled, also certain apps won't work Nat West being one, though I suspect that is to do with their development.
Thinking about going back to Stock. If I do this via OTA, my bootloader will be upgraded back to 2.00.0002, 'RE-LOCKED' and S-ON, then wait for official OTA upgrade to ICS, which seems not to be happening as per HTC announcements. Even then I may have issues with apps that haven't been coded to deal with it.
If I am 'RE-LOCKED' can I not use htcDev again, or am I stuck with the Official bootloader etc and unable to load other ROMS, or can I just repeat the processes I have been through already?
I have also been reading about unlocking with an XTC Clip, where would I get this done, Is this a better solution? etc etc..

No issues with RELOCKED except that your warranty is gone.
If you have no warranty you can go for XTC Clip, since permanent S-OFF will give you more freedom in terms of modifications. Personally I consider flashing boot.img separately each time as annoying.
As per the unlock again, it should be possible, but I am not sure if this can be done by a fastboot command or the unlock token has to be flashed again.
Sent from my HTC Desire S

When I unlocked mine I remember reading somewhere that the token would need to be used again if the phone was re locked. So I kept it just in case

question about RELOCKED status - Can someone try it?

Hello all,
I have an idea and I would like to ask someone to prove or confute it.
Given a Desire S out of box, full stock. What if we downgrade it to the oldest RUU, and S-OFF with the Revolutionary way. install engineering HBOOT, and tries to restore its stock status (standard HBOOT, S-ON, unrooted etc). The question is: what if we upgrade it to the latest (2.3.5 w/ Sense 3.0) RUU? What will be seen in the bootloader's header? LOCKED or RELOCKED? Because if you unlock your phone via HTCDEV.com, the new software version (or how to call it) will record this somewhere, but downgrading to an older version this can't be seen (but we know it is there). So if it is only because of the behaviour of the latest software, can we circumvent it with a downgrade?
In other words (just to clear thing up):
known to void warranty: HBOOT 2.00.0002 --> unlock via HTCDEV.com --> fastboot oem lock --> bootloader shows RELOCKED (downgrading makes this disappeared, but comes back after upgrading to current version)
method in question: HBOOT 2.00.0002 --> downgrade to 0.98.000x --> unlock/S-OFF via Revolutionary --> relock/S-ON --> upgrade to HBOOT 2.00.0002 --> bootloader shows ???
Unfortunately I don't own a DS personally, but one of my friends do, but he doesn't want to put a custom ROM on his phone until he is sure it is possible to keep the warranty this way.
Any answer is appreciated, and of course thanks in advance.

Already reported by several people on the forum. Will show RELOCKED. As you said yourself, the status bits don't change with downgrade, and when upgrading back - the new bootloader reads just what there was before the downgrade.

Thank you, but what really interests me is the oldest RUU. Is this bit set by this also? 'cause I understand what you wrote, this bit is there whether you are using the 1.28​.401​.1 or the 2.10​.401​.9, but is this bit set by both and read only by the latter? In this case it is a no go for my friend without void the warranty
So I'm curious does 1.28​.401​.1 also set this bit to "tampered"?

craftman said:
Thank you, but what really interests me is the oldest RUU. Is this bit set by this also? 'cause I understand what you wrote, this bit is there whether you are using the 1.28​.401​.1 or the 2.10​.401​.9, but is this bit set by both and read only by the latter? In this case it is a no go for my friend without void the warranty
So I'm curious does 1.28​.401​.1 also set this bit to "tampered"?
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This "feature" was implemented in Sense 3 update after the launch of htcdev.com. It is present on previous versions like 1.28.401.1, therefore nothing is read by the bootloader. But the flag is there and nobody managed to find and change it so far.
Sent from my HTC Desire S

That's a pity. Then he has to wait for the offical ICS with Sense 3.6 which is not so far (hopefully).
Thanks for both of you for helping out a newbie.

What is S-OFF

Hey guys,
I didn't want to post this on the official S-OFF thread cause I didn't want to distract from the dev talk, but I was wondering what S-OFF means. I am coming from a Moto Atrix 4G where S-OFF wasn't a thing, just bootloader unlock and rooting, so if someone could explain it to me that would be awesome. Thanks in advance.

r3xx3r said:
Hey guys,
I didn't want to post this on the official S-OFF thread cause I didn't want to distract from the dev talk, but I was wondering what S-OFF means. I am coming from a Moto Atrix 4G where S-OFF wasn't a thing, just bootloader unlock and rooting, so if someone could explain it to me that would be awesome. Thanks in advance.
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http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...on-htc-android-phones-with-unrevoked-forever/
That page isn't 100% correct since with S-on we can still flash custom recovery, radios, roms, kernel but the general message is correct

Well simply put, s-off allows you to write to partitions we can't normally. It will allow you to downgrade your bootloader and other things of the sort. It doesn't void your warranty, in fact it helps keep it. Once you have unlocked your bootloader when you lock it again it says relocked, with s-off you can change it back to locked. There is more to it but that is basically what it is

thanks for the responses.