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Observation on sense 4.0.4 (cleanrom 4.5)

I have to applaud HTC for somewhat following development of their device. They added a toggle to change the behavior of the recent app button so there's no need to mod it. On CR 4.5 I also have 770mb of ram visible. Maybe they did some optimization. Even multitasking is a tad better without Scott's multitasking mod.
I have a bug that shows "G" when I'm on HSPA+ but doesn't really affect speeds.
Overall I would say this OTA is quite good. The overall feel is much snappier.
Edit: ok, so the multitasking is pretty boss so far. The last 4 apps were still cached after not touching phone for 30 minutes. It COULD be placebo but god damn I'm enjoying 4.0.4.
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I'm happy to see this review, as I'm planning on upgrading from CleanROM 4.2 to 4.5 asap. However, I'm not sure that this mini-review is so much about the newest Sense as it is about CleanROM. How can you be sure that the upgrades that you're noticing aren't from Scott's work, not baked into Sense?

The recent button behavior swap is new from stock 4.0.4. The RAM increase has to be from HTC directly because we have no kernel source.
As for multitasking, I'm doing a little bit of assuming. Scott likes to put his mods separate from the rom itself so people can choose what they like. Only EQS, 4G icon and some ATT specific mods were included in the CleanMod install. On top of that, this is the best multitasking I've seen on any rom. If Scott DID do something with the multitasking I'll be glad to be corrected.
Either way, everyone wins with this update.
EDIT: HSPA+ with 2.09 radio, I'm getting speeds I normally get on speed test. I hear people have problems with LTE? Not sure.

Here's a screen shot of the ram
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So does it mean it comes with a new kernel?
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Yes i think so
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thedauntlessone said:
Here's a screen shot of the ram
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Oooooh. Shiny!
I wonder if CM10/AOKP can take advantage of this new kernel?

thedauntlessone said:
Here's a screen shot of the ram
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That's awesome. I got 672 total on mine only. Notice a difference in speed?
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belyle said:
I'm happy to see this review, as I'm planning on upgrading from CleanROM 4.2 to 4.5 asap. However, I'm not sure that this mini-review is so much about the newest Sense as it is about CleanROM. How can you be sure that the upgrades that you're noticing aren't from Scott's work, not baked into Sense?
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I used stock 2.23, I can confirm those sense options are from stock. Also, I noticed the interfacei n general is much smoother and snappier. They also added a fade effect when turning pages on the home screen which is nice.

So wait, HTC freed up about 100mb of RAM with this latest leak? That's awesome! I think I'm gonna have to update my ROM now, still on CleanROM SE 2.6.

_MetalHead_ said:
So wait, HTC freed up about 100mb of RAM with this latest leak? That's awesome! I think I'm gonna have to update my ROM now, still on CleanROM SE 2.6.
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I think that's just gravy. No 4.0.3 based rom even comes close to the multitasking that the leaked 4.0.4 has. They must have tweaked their extremely aggressive memory management to allow much better memory management. Of course YMMV, but I've just been testing it over the course of the day. Most of the apps within the first 4-5 slots can get cached no problem if you press home.
People complain, but this might be the reason why HTC have not released their kernel. HOX IS their flagship, so maybe they didn't want to release a crippled kernel for HOXL users. I'm very impressed that they are listening to community feedback.

How's battery life with the multitasking change?
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_MetalHead_ said:
So wait, HTC freed up about 100mb of RAM with this latest leak? That's awesome! I think I'm gonna have to update my ROM now, still on CleanROM SE 2.6.
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Yeah HTC freed up a whole lot of ram and I've noticed the Sense Launcher transition is slightly altered. Overall, much snappier!
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It's not a leak, it is an official update for HTC Asia xl, for Singtel Singapore.
I noticed the clock app now remembers what tab you were on, eg alarms.
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twistedddx said:
I noticed the clock app now remembers what tab you were on, eg alarms.
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That was my biggest pet peeve!
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ECEXCURSION said:
That was my biggest pet peeve!
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Yea same, I think it was on a lot of peoples lists as a silly thing.
It is nice now that it is fixed!
Another thing I noticed is that the contacts "Updates" and "Gallery" now populate with stuff from Facebook, rather than just infinitely saying "Loading".

Does 4.0.4 fix the static/hiss problem when playing music from the headphone out as mentioned in this thread?:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1720212
If it does then i'm sold. Looking to get rid of my GS3 for this - which although wonderful, doesn't play well with my network and drains way too quickly on standby + HSPA.

Can someone please tell me what the kernel build date is?

omersak said:
Does 4.0.4 fix the static/hiss problem when playing music from the headphone out as mentioned in this thread?:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1720212
If it does then i'm sold. Looking to get rid of my GS3 for this - which although wonderful, doesn't play well with my network and drains way too quickly on standby + HSPA.
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I've never had this problem and I use my headphones to listen to music and podcasts every single day. tested with both beats on and off, using both my IEMs and headphones and still no hiss.

rohan32 said:
Can someone please tell me what the kernel build date is?
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July 12.

(Q) What would it take for slimics

I was on the galaxy s2/3 forums and I found alot of slim and basic roms, aka slimics and slimbean. I'm very interested in getting a Rom that could potentially be 60mb, or maybe 70mb due to our qHd display. What would it take to begin porting or building one from source?
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sy224048 said:
I was on the galaxy s2/3 forums and I found alot of slim and basic roms, aka slimics and slimbean. I'm very interested in getting a Rom that could potentially be 60mb, or maybe 70mb due to our qHd display. What would it take to begin porting or building one from source?
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i made 1 that was 320mb,i could have made it 150mb less,but that would have been pointless,there is only so little u should remove from a rom unfortunately
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Ty5982 said:
i made 1 that was 320mb,i could have made it 150mb less,but that would have been pointless,there is only so little u should remove from a rom unfortunately
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But it's amazing how these guys on the galaxy series and even the hox have managed to get roms so small.
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sy224048 said:
But it's amazing how these guys on the galaxy series and even the hox have managed to get roms so small.
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depends on sense 3.6 or 4,sense 4 are usually alot bigger,mine is a sense 4 rom,well shrunk it,but if u make it too small your gonna have endless probs & fc's
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Ty5982 said:
depends on sense 3.6 or 4,sense 4 are usually alot bigger,mine is a sense 4 rom,well shrunk it,but if u make it too small your gonna have endless probs & fc's
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I understand how bloated sense is, and every single rom I'm talking about is aosp based.

Nothing? Nobody has any experience with this stuff?
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Take a look at the hypernonsense threads. They are pretty small. That was 1 of the main goals of the original dev to get those Rom fingerprints as small ad possible.
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Bruce's cmx is only like 140 mb or so
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gustav30 said:
Take a look at the hypernonsense threads. They are pretty small. That was 1 of the main goals of the original dev to get those Rom fingerprints as small ad possible.
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And most of that size reduction is just stripping out apps so the user can add only what he or she wants to to.
Hyper NonSense also stripped out Rosie and all most Sense UI framework, essentially leaving it as a defacto AOSP rom (even though it was still Sense at it's core) That removed a good amount of size, but the bulk of the small size was that it came with just the bare essentialls for it to boot. If you wanted SMS, you had to add the SMS app you wanted. Etc etc etc
That said, it worked great. I loved that ROM for several months.

Check codename Lungo. I have not tried it but probably is what you are looking for http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1930403.

codename Lungo does look pretty good. ill have to try it.
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Hi,
I use Codename Lungo since very recently. I like it so far. I enjoy the fact that you can chose your own apps via packages.
Any other light ROMS? I'm mainly looking for battery life and not too much gimmik.

Best ROM
The best and lightest rom I ever used and belive me i tried them all it's hypernonsense.It keeps the good sense camera , it's light, I ususaly have 300 MB RAM free, the battery life it's the best.I usualy get 2 days with 3,6-4 hrs of sceen time.
My settings are :2G only , minimum brightness , data disabled, wifi off when phone is sleeping , autosync every 30 min.
I liked albino's and bruce ROM too but there are still bug's , and MHL isn't working.
Worst ROM's for performance and battery were Sense 4.x ROM's but i liked the interface and customizations.
Sense 3.6 are a little lighter but still eat the battery and slow the phone.
Hypernonsense just flyes and has all the features.

How to open apps faster

There are some apps like browser, fb, tapatalk, whatsapp, etc which I use very often.
They take from 1-3 secs to open. Is there any way to keep these apps in memory, in order to open them faster? I noticed that cached apps are mostly some apos I never use. I compare it to my iPhone which opens apps immediately. Is there any solution?
Edit: don't tell me to oc, I'm asking a different thing
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What are you using for a Rom? Sense 4 Roms tend to kill background processes pretty aggressively to keep the launcher in memory.
I've noticed that if I run something like Hypernonsense Rom, apps like the ones you mentioned open much quicker than the same apps on a Sense 4 Rom. However I'm currently into Sense 4 so I'll take the extra second.
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gustav30 said:
What are you using for a Rom? Sense 4 Roms tend to kill background processes pretty aggressively to keep the launcher in memory.
I've noticed that if I run something like Hypernonsense Rom, apps like the ones you mentioned open much quicker than the same apps on a Sense 4 Rom. However I'm currently into Sense 4 so I'll take the extra second.
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Yes see my specs. I want to know if there os a way to keep desired apps in memory. The don't even consume that much memory, max 100M. I don't want to change my ROM, not my setup
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perhaps zram or swap but may end up hurting more than helping..

ziddey said:
perhaps zram or swap but may end up hurting more than helping..
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That's what I think too. How does iPhone manage to open apps so quickly?
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Zram helped when I was on Viper...
Also, Anthrax kernel was better than bricked, IMO.
CM10 is a lot better than ViperS... apps are loading faster, and things are much snappier... on default settings... try it out... but then again you seem to prefer Sense to Holo...

SleepyKrushna said:
Zram helped when I was on Viper...
Also, Anthrax kernel was better than bricked, IMO.
CM10 is a lot better than ViperS... apps are loading faster, and things are much snappier... on default settings... try it out... but then again you seem to prefer Sense to Holo...
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+1 for ZRAM in ViperS
Just wayyyy awesome, Quick access while Switching apps..No lags in Opening apps as well as App drawer..
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But Zram eats more battery ? No
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xeloni said:
But Zram eats more battery ? No
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Oui, it does eat some more battery... but it also makes the phone very snappy.....
Anyway I use DS Battery Saver (free for XDA users)... it switches off 3G on screen off... and it has loads of other options... try it.... getting awesome standby times with it...

elvisypi said:
Yes see my specs. I want to know if there os a way to keep desired apps in memory. The don't even consume that much memory, max 100M. I don't want to change my ROM, not my setup
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Download Pimp My Rom from the Play Store and go to the TOOLS tab then click on Lock Apps in Memory. You can then select which apps you want to have locked in memory.

I am just reading the sensation xe threads because I ordered it and is on the way, but currently I am using my old budget android, which had lots of lag (and one of the main reasons I actually ordered the new sensation xe).
The other day I found this thread and installed this and it is just insane at removing lag and doesn't pump up the cpu or use more battery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
The developer's reason for why it works seem to be incorrect, and other people (including android's own developers) don't know exactly why it is working either (other than it's not the reasons stated by the developer), but just about everyone agrees that whatever the reason, it does work and significantly (on any non new / top-of-the-line phone because those don't have lag anyway).
It is also available at the play store if you want auto updates and to say thank you to the awesome guy who developed it:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder

pwoita said:
I am just reading the sensation xe threads because I ordered it and is on the way, but currently I am using my old budget android, which had lots of lag (and one of the main reasons I actually ordered the new sensation xe).
The other day I found this thread and installed this and it is just insane at removing lag and doesn't pump up the cpu or use more battery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
The developer's reason for why it works seem to be incorrect, and other people (including android's own developers) don't know exactly why it is working either (other than it's not the reasons stated by the developer), but just about everyone agrees that whatever the reason, it does work and significantly (on any non new / top-of-the-line phone because those don't have lag anyway).
It is also available at the play store if you want auto updates and to say thank you to the awesome guy who developed it:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder
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It forces the CPU to stay online and not idle because it wakes it up every second, so that's probably why there's a speed increase.

pwoita said:
I am just reading the sensation xe threads because I ordered it and is on the way, but currently I am using my old budget android, which had lots of lag (and one of the main reasons I actually ordered the new sensation xe).
The other day I found this thread and installed this and it is just insane at removing lag and doesn't pump up the cpu or use more battery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
The developer's reason for why it works seem to be incorrect, and other people (including android's own developers) don't know exactly why it is working either (other than it's not the reasons stated by the developer), but just about everyone agrees that whatever the reason, it does work and significantly (on any non new / top-of-the-line phone because those don't have lag anyway).
It is also available at the play store if you want auto updates and to say thank you to the awesome guy who developed it:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder
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Well, actually I tried it, but fir me it makes no difference AT ALL. I think it's a placebo effect. However I must say that I don't usually notice lags with my ROM
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[Q] anyone can recommend a big RAM rom to me?

any rom base is ok, sense, aokp, cm...
thanks thanks thanks!!
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Download any CM ROM and don't install GAPPs.

You must try different ROMs and choose the one that suits you.
For Most RAM free, I think SlimBean is your best choice. Just see the attached screenshot.
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Ram works differently on andriod then on windows or other os. On our phones ram is not to big of concern , apps just get loaded into ram so its norm to show a high ram usage
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DESERT.TECH said:
Ram works differently on andriod then on windows or other os. On our phones ram is not to big of concern , apps just get loaded into ram so its norm to show a high ram usage
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I imagine you would only notice a difference if you're zipping in and out of multiple apps. And the little differences in amounts of RAM used would have little real world usage differences.

[Q] ROM RAM question

Im not really sure if this is against the forum rules or not and if it is, im sorry and you can lock it. But what rom has the most ammount of free ram, i keep flashing roms and they usually have the same ammount, but maybe its just me because i always flash sense roms since i love the sense camera. Any ideas or suggestions? The main reason im looking for the most ammount of ram is i always use alot of background applications like LWP, a different launcher, weather bug, airdroid, and etc and my phone starts to bog down eventually and its quite annoying when need to reply to an email fast from my phone and the lag between the current app im in to the home screen then into the launcher and then into the app makes me want to murder my phone.

MrKickstand said:
Im not really sure if this is against the forum rules or not and if it is, im sorry and you can lock it. But what rom has the most ammount of free ram, i keep flashing roms and they usually have the same ammount, but maybe its just me because i always flash sense roms since i love the sense camera. Any ideas or suggestions? The main reason im looking for the most ammount of ram is i always use alot of background applications like LWP, a different launcher, weather bug, airdroid, and etc and my phone starts to bog down eventually and its quite annoying when need to reply to an email fast from my phone and the lag between the current app im in to the home screen then into the launcher and then into the app makes me want to murder my phone.
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I also run a lot of apps at same time and never noticed a difference between roms
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31ken31 said:
I also run a lot of apps at same time and never noticed a difference between roms
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What rom do you use?

The amount of free ram available will have little to do with the performance of the rom. Typically aosp roms will have more ram available due to the lack of sense.
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exad said:
The amount of free ram available will have little to do with the performance of the rom. Typically aosp roms will have more ram available due to the lack of sense.
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I assumed it was the RAM because i flashed Elemental X and overclocked it a littler and it didnt have any performance increase at all.. maybe its just my phone haha.

You could try CyanogenMod 10, it has much better multitasking then any Sense ROM, since it's a pure aosp Rom, in theory any other Aosp Roms should have more Ram available because Sense tends to bog things down with all of it's extra features and background processes that use up Ram.
So use a AOSP Rom if you want better multitasking and less things to reload or refresh.