[Q] Hero 9300 + - General Questions and Answers

Hi everyone at XDa and members
I have recently purchased a Hero 9300 + From android for cheap to use in the uk.
Well the phone has arrived and ive used it for two days and i have to say its better than i expected, even exceeded my expectations.
I am using a orange and giff gaf sim, however when i topped up my Orange sim whenever i make a call it comes up with roaming .... I am assuming its because the phone is chinese and im in the uk ..... My question is .... Is there a way around this as i have no idea about rooting and would rather not have to use an international sim just so i can use my phone in the uk.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, Also im new to XDA so thanks in advance.

Slot 1 or 2?
davidayling said:
Hi everyone at XDa and members
I have recently purchased a Hero 9300 + From android for cheap to use in the uk.
Well the phone has arrived and ive used it for two days and i have to say its better than i expected, even exceeded my expectations.
I am using a orange and giff gaf sim, however when i topped up my Orange sim whenever i make a call it comes up with roaming .... I am assuming its because the phone is chinese and im in the uk ..... My question is .... Is there a way around this as i have no idea about rooting and would rather not have to use an international sim just so i can use my phone in the uk.
Any help would be greatly appreciated, Also im new to XDA so thanks in advance.
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Open settings sim management and make sure you set up all required settings to use both and take a look at your options for roaming as well.
And remember that both sim slots are not equal one dose more than just gsm one dose not make sure you set up your in the correct slots.
Make sure that area is covered by your desired provider. Where your phone was assembled will not affect if your roaming or not.

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XDA Network switching

Hi, quick one please.
I have a Wizard also know as XDA Mini S branded to O2... I did recently do the update to WM6 with the Hard method, also used some software which captured settings of the phone, it told me it was SIM unlocked and I know I made it CID unlocked with the Hard thing.
What I want to know is this.
Currently on a business contract with o2, this is expiring and I have sorted out so I get a signal here on other networks by using other antenna (see my other post)... I ebayed a very cheap Orange SIM so I can test the signal, however it doesn't have a number and requires registering and I know I need to give my phone EIMI out. I also have another sim here which works as a PAYG Vodafone which is registered to another hand set.
So, when i put in either vodafone or orange sim into my so called 'unlocked' phone, it just sits there searching away and nothing really happens, no messages just search, I know I should be getting signals.
1: Is this handset locking methods but I am sure im unlocked? Is this because the EMIE and vodafone sim card is not matching?
2: As I am in a business contract with o2, if I register the EMEI number with Orange, will I upset my business phone number (must not do)
All I want to do is see how 'steady' the orange signal is here and also find out what to do next when we change our contract (this month) as I wish to retain my XDA because no 'new' XDA-type phones coming out have no antenna sockets
Any help is good
nobody here?
if i were you i would ask in the forum made specialy for your device
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=289
better chance of getting a reply from people who own the same device
the wiki is also a good place to get info
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
but it is a question about networks and how they work and not about a particurlar phone.
Quite stunned that nobody is actually interested in helping me on this issue, they seem to be more interested in ROMs are alike lol
Is there any other forums out there devote to Mobile Phones?
Thanks anyway Rudegar

AT&T Shipping Info -- Various SIM?

First off I just wanna say how awesome this site is and wanted to thank all the people who put their time and effort into helping us out with our phones. Big ups to you guys!
Now on to my question....
I just purchased an HTC Fuze off of AT&T's website (which should be arriving tomorrow -- omg i'm so excited!!!) and I noticed that on the shipping info it shows 3 items which are:
1. Various SIM
2. FREIGHT
3. HITECH P4600 BLK PHONE
My question is... what is a various SIM? Does it mean that they are just sending me a new SIM card with the phone? I searched the net for "various SIM" and found nothing relevant. I'm mostly wondering why because I purchased the phone using an extra line in my family's plan since my phone line still isn't due for an upgrade for another 3 months... so therefor I wanted to put the SIM card from my line into the fuze... is this possible or will I encounter a problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Here's a screen shot of what my account shows...
ladyycakez said:
First off I just wanna say how awesome this site is and wanted to thank all the people who put their time and effort into helping us out with our phones. Big ups to you guys!
Now on to my question....
I just purchased an HTC Fuze off of AT&T's website (which should be arriving tomorrow -- omg i'm so excited!!!) and I noticed that on the shipping info it shows 3 items which are:
1. Various SIM
2. FREIGHT
3. HITECH P4600 BLK PHONE
My question is... what is a various SIM? Does it mean that they are just sending me a new SIM card with the phone? I searched the net for "various SIM" and found nothing relevant. I'm mostly wondering why because I purchased the phone using an extra line in my family's plan since my phone line still isn't due for an upgrade for another 3 months... so therefor I wanted to put the SIM card from my line into the fuze... is this possible or will I encounter a problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Here's a screen shot of what my account shows...
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If you added an extra line they would also have to send an additional sim card with the device. Your current sim will work fine in your newly purchased device.
Thanks for the quick reply. The line I purchased the phone from (the extra line) has been on my account for a few years, it's not a newly added line. Honestly I don't even know where the phone or sim card for that account is anyways. So is it possible that they are sending a new one with the phone since I bought it online without talking with a sale rep first?
so I got my phone today and what they did was send me a new sim card with the phone. I just took it out and put in the sim card from my current phone and then called to have it activated -- no problems.. question solved! Now it's time to do some modding =)

[Q] Using my phone internationally

I am leaving for Ireland on Sunday and want to use my G2 phone over there. I have rooted the phone successfully and don't know what the next step is. Do I just obtain a new SIM card from a cell phone store in Ireland? Do I create an account with them for the time im over there and my phone works like a local phone? This is my first time with international travel. Thanks in advance for helping a noob.
hchatts said:
I am leaving for Ireland on Sunday and want to use my G2 phone over there. I have rooted the phone successfully and don't know what the next step is. Do I just obtain a new SIM card from a cell phone store in Ireland? Do I create an account with them for the time im over there and my phone works like a local phone? This is my first time with international travel. Thanks in advance for helping a noob.
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honestly dont know but i would like to know as i like traveling to other countries. Im going to guess if i was you make sure your phone is sim unlocked and the bands of ireland match your phone
My phone is sim unlocked, but I don't understand how to match the bands of Ireland to my phone. Cant you explain this further please?

Importing Photon Q to UK.

I'm looking at this phone over the Droid 4 (not available in UK either but has been made to work).
So, am I correct in saying that to make it work on a UK network, is to just put a UK sim into the roaming slot and It shall work?
I want to be 100% on this before I go ahead and get one.
If there's anything else, please could someone shed some light on this?
Many thanks
no friends said:
I'm looking at this phone over the Droid 4 (not available in UK either but has been made to work).
So, am I correct in saying that to make it work on a UK network, is to just put a UK sim into the roaming slot and It shall work?
I want to be 100% on this before I go ahead and get one.
If there's anything else, please could someone shed some light on this?
Many thanks
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Unfortunately there is no slot to put the sim into, the sim card is fused to the board &, as of now, you would be stuck w sprints international network.
Saint sent this from his Q using xda premium
Indeed.
Supposedly there is a GSM version of the phone coming to AT&T. Look for the XT898
arrrghhh said:
Indeed.
Supposedly there is a GSM version of the phone coming to AT&T. Look for the XT898
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Ok, thanks both of you.
I was under the impression that there was an extra sim slot for using roaming sim cards abroad.
Sooo, this XT898 - are there any clues to when it'll be released yet?
no friends said:
Ok, thanks both of you.
I was under the impression that there was an extra sim slot for using roaming sim cards abroad.
Sooo, this XT898 - are there any clues to when it'll be released yet?
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There is a SIM slot, but there's no way to access it. Sprint has embedded their own SIM, and is it encased/soldered to the board literally. Impossible for the user to access without some potentially dangerous hardware hacks.
No clue when the XT898 is going to be released... I get a pretty good deal with Sprint, so I've never really cared about looking at phones on any other carriers... no offense.
Good luck!
How come GSMArena claim that it has a Sim Slot then and that it is GSM capable? :s I too have been looking at importing one of these into the UK to use on the now EE network (Orange UK and T-Mobile UK) Can somebody please confirm that this is deffinately not the case and that it will deffo not work in the UK for us GSM People?
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_photon_q_4g_lte-4885.php
We don't get many good phones these days here in Europe...
Thanks, Adam
API182 said:
How come GSMArena claim that it has a Sim Slot then and that it is GSM capable? :s I too have been looking at importing one of these into the UK to use on the now EE network (Orange UK and T-Mobile UK) Can somebody please confirm that this is deffinately not the case and that it will deffo not work in the UK for us GSM People?
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_photon_q_4g_lte-4885.php
We don't get many good phones these days here in Europe...
Thanks, Adam
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See my post DIRECTLY above yours... Oy ve.
I already want to import 2 devices to Germany, but actually I can't find anyone who would send me the devices.:crying:
In the UK (like the rest of Europe) we have little or no choices when it comes to QWERTY phones, so I would be interested to know if its possible to get a UK (or gsm) one over here.
leona said:
In the UK (like the rest of Europe) we have little or no choices when it comes to QWERTY phones, so I would be interested to know if its possible to get a UK (or gsm) one over here.
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As of right... now, the only option in Europe for this phone is to find an international seller on eBay and mod it as posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929143. There is scuttlebutt about a GSM variety coming soon (898?), but nothing official as of yet. Good luck, hope you find something soon.
-Saint

[Q] International GSM Compatibility of Verizon Razr/Maxx HD

Hi All,
I know this question might have been asked in different forms, but I still want to double check and be at peace.
I have purchased a Verizon Razr Maxx HD - seller claims it to be brand new, clean ESN and International ready. I am importing this to India where the Frequency Band of my service provider Vodafone is GSM - 900/1800 MHZ, HSPA - 2100 MHZ, 4G LTE - 2300 MHZ
Since Verizon uses CDMA technology in the US, I was initially not very sure if this will work in India. But I researched quite a bit and found that as per the phone Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_razr_maxx_hd-4972.php, I should be able connect to GSM and 3G (4G is still a dream here in India)
I then confirmed from Verizon and XDA threads that the phone is indeed International ready i.e. in US it is locked for Verizon, but it will work with most networks GSM/HSPA/4G abroad so it doesn't require any separate unlocking for International Use. Is this correct? If the seller says that the phone has a clean ESN, then do I need to unlock the phone separately?
Once my friend in US receives the phone tomorrow, I plan to check the ESN here: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/estore/certifieddevice/cd and also with Verizon Customer Care. Some other XDA members in India and abroad are facing difficulty in connecting to 2G/3G ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2100093) so I am worried, if my money will go to waste, although on paper all seems fine. Certain seller on ebay India is saying that it will only work on CDMA networks. So there is a lot of confusion creeping in.
If there is anything other precautionary measures that I should take, before my friend ships the phone to India? Any help is deeply appreciated.
PS: Motorola has discontinued there India business (yes no local support or warranty!) , but I really adore the Razr line of phones so much (for there build quality, great battery life and vanilla UI) that I am treading this path. Only (huge) concern is if the phone will connect to the network
siddroid said:
Hi All,
I know this question might have been asked in different forms, but I still want to double check and be at peace.
I have purchased a Verizon Razr Maxx HD - seller claims it to be brand new, clean ESN and International ready. I am importing this to India where the Frequency Band of my service provider Vodafone is GSM - 900/1800 MHZ, HSPA - 2100 MHZ, 4G LTE - 2300 MHZ
Since Verizon uses CDMA technology in the US, I was initially not very sure if this will work in India. But I researched quite a bit and found that as per the phone Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_razr_maxx_hd-4972.php, I should be able connect to GSM and 3G (4G is still a dream here in India)
I then confirmed from Verizon and XDA threads that the phone is indeed International ready i.e. in US it is locked for Verizon, but it will work with most networks GSM/HSPA/4G abroad so it doesn't require any separate unlocking for International Use. Is this correct? If the seller says that the phone has a clean ESN, then do I need to unlock the phone separately?
Once my friend in US receives the phone tomorrow, I plan to check the ESN here: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/estore/certifieddevice/cd and also with Verizon Customer Care. Some other XDA members in India and abroad are facing difficulty in connecting to 2G/3G ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2100093) so I am worried, if my money will go to waste, although on paper all seems fine. Certain seller on ebay India is saying that it will only work on CDMA networks. So there is a lot of confusion creeping in.
If there is anything other precautionary measures that I should take, before my friend ships the phone to India? Any help is deeply appreciated.
PS: Motorola has discontinued there India business (yes no local support or warranty!) , but I really adore the Razr line of phones so much (for there build quality, great battery life and vanilla UI) that I am treading this path. Only (huge) concern is if the phone will connect to the network
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Don't have any fear ... your phone will work great in gsm and hspa ... !
o2qc418 said:
Don't have any fear ... your phone will work great in gsm and hspa ... !
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Thanks! The phone was finally delivered yesterday. So I noted the IMEI number and called up Verizon. They said that it has a clean ESN but it is still activated with Verizon. But I am sure what does that really mean.. Will it work properly on any other SIM? I could imagine two scenarios:
As I understand, as soon as the original owner of the phone (eBay seller) stops the monthly bill payment, the connection will get cancelled first and then Verizon will try to claim the phone back. As the seller doesn't have this phone anymore, it is at this time that the phone will start giving SIM card errors to me as the ESN will become bad. Is that correct?
The seller claims, that she got this phone as a contract upgrade but did not use it all. So she must have activated this SIM on some other phone or her older phone. Wouldn't verizon come to know of this and deactivate this SIM card or blacklist list this user and report the phone IMEI. I am clueless on this one.
Overall, I feel that this is a deal breaker for me. And I am planning to return the phone. Any suggestions?
PS: Anyone wondering why I am going through so much trouble? I am in love with this phone (sturdy build quality and best battery!) And it is not available in India for retail.
You shouldn't have any issues unless you plan to use it on a CDMA network owned by Verizon.
Just pull the Verizon SIM out of the phone and pop in your favorite Indian SIM. Be sure to switch the phone to the Global network mode (or GSM/UMTS) and you'll be good to go. Doesn't matter what happens to the seller's account in the US, the phone will still work -- although perhaps not on VZW in the US, in case you travel here. For that matter, the phone won't work in the US at all, as the radio firmware specifically blocks ATT/TMobile.
They'll be an annoying "This SIM is from an unknown source" message every time you start the phone, but that is easily bypassed by pressing OK. I read on here somewhere that the unknown message is actually generated by a VZW *.apk that is installed on the phone. So theoretically one could root the phone and remove the annoying apk/message.
Also, you won't be able to do tethering using the stock utilities -- they try to phone home to Verizon and don't work when on a foreign network (I tried while I was in Australia last week on Optus, it failed miserably.)
Cpudan80 said:
For that matter, the phone won't work in the US at all, as the radio firmware specifically blocks ATT/TMobile.
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For that matter, there is a recently discovered working unlock for that too, and it doesn't even require root
He won't need it though.
Cpudan80 said:
They'll be an annoying "This SIM is from an unknown source" message every time you start the phone, but that is easily bypassed by pressing OK. I read on here somewhere that the unknown message is actually generated by a VZW *.apk that is installed on the phone. So theoretically one could root the phone and remove the annoying apk/message.
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Theoretically and in practice, this has been done (just search...).
Cpudan80 said:
Also, you won't be able to do tethering using the stock utilities -- they try to phone home to Verizon and don't work when on a foreign network (I tried while I was in Australia last week on Optus, it failed miserably.)
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And again there is a fix if you root the phone, it involves editing a sqlite db and setting a value to zero (again search... Don't have the link handy, sorry...).
Sent from my XT907
Cpudan80 said:
Just pull the Verizon SIM out of the phone and pop in your favorite Indian SIM. Be sure to switch the phone to the Global network mode (or GSM/UMTS) and you'll be good to go. Doesn't matter what happens to the seller's account in the US, the phone will still work -- although perhaps not on VZW in the US, in case you travel here. For that matter, the phone won't work in the US at all, as the radio firmware specifically blocks ATT/TMobile.
They'll be an annoying "This SIM is from an unknown source" message every time you start the phone, but that is easily bypassed by pressing OK. I read on here somewhere that the unknown message is actually generated by a VZW *.apk that is installed on the phone. So theoretically one could root the phone and remove the annoying apk/message.
Also, you won't be able to do tethering using the stock utilities -- they try to phone home to Verizon and don't work when on a foreign network (I tried while I was in Australia last week on Optus, it failed miserably.)
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I see you've tried rooting the phone in the states, so the phone will just show a message that can be removed after rooting the phone and the phone will work on 3G/HSDPA in the states even without using a verizon account?
i have seen a number of people reporting the phone not to be working in India .
I have Razr HD in India & It doesnt work for any GSM
Is it working with Indian GSM
siddroid said:
Hi All,
I know this question might have been asked in different forms, but I still want to double check and be at peace.
I have purchased a Verizon Razr Maxx HD - seller claims it to be brand new, clean ESN and International ready. I am importing this to India where the Frequency Band of my service provider Vodafone is GSM - 900/1800 MHZ, HSPA - 2100 MHZ, 4G LTE - 2300 MHZ
Since Verizon uses CDMA technology in the US, I was initially not very sure if this will work in India. But I researched quite a bit and found that as per the phone Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_razr_maxx_hd-4972.php, I should be able connect to GSM and 3G (4G is still a dream here in India)
I then confirmed from Verizon and XDA threads that the phone is indeed International ready i.e. in US it is locked for Verizon, but it will work with most networks GSM/HSPA/4G abroad so it doesn't require any separate unlocking for International Use. Is this correct? If the seller says that the phone has a clean ESN, then do I need to unlock the phone separately?
Once my friend in US receives the phone tomorrow, I plan to check the ESN here: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/estore/certifieddevice/cd and also with Verizon Customer Care. Some other XDA members in India and abroad are facing difficulty in connecting to 2G/3G ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2100093) so I am worried, if my money will go to waste, although on paper all seems fine. Certain seller on ebay India is saying that it will only work on CDMA networks. So there is a lot of confusion creeping in.
If there is anything other precautionary measures that I should take, before my friend ships the phone to India? Any help is deeply appreciated.
PS: Motorola has discontinued there India business (yes no local support or warranty!) , but I really adore the Razr line of phones so much (for there build quality, great battery life and vanilla UI) that I am treading this path. Only (huge) concern is if the phone will connect to the network
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Did you try out. Is it working for any GSM sim ? If yes, how did you do it ?
parin11 said:
I have Razr HD in India & It doesnt work for any GSM
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What are u planning to do with the phone if it does not work?
bhatias said:
What are u planning to do with the phone if it does not work?
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Very interesting thread and an even more interesting question.
I wonder what happened to the OP.
I have seen some ads. for used Razr HD's recently.
I am confused if those will work in India or not, but the phones are indeed very well built.
I thought you just had to change the mobile networks under settings and it would work.
Motorola Droid Razr Maxx HD
siddroid said:
Hi All,
I know this question might have been asked in different forms, but I still want to double check and be at peace.
I have purchased a Verizon Razr Maxx HD - seller claims it to be brand new, clean ESN and International ready. I am importing this to India where the Frequency Band of my service provider Vodafone is GSM - 900/1800 MHZ, HSPA - 2100 MHZ, 4G LTE - 2300 MHZ
Since Verizon uses CDMA technology in the US, I was initially not very sure if this will work in India. But I researched quite a bit and found that as per the phone Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_razr_maxx_hd-4972.php, I should be able connect to GSM and 3G (4G is still a dream here in India)
I then confirmed from Verizon and XDA threads that the phone is indeed International ready i.e. in US it is locked for Verizon, but it will work with most networks GSM/HSPA/4G abroad so it doesn't require any separate unlocking for International Use. Is this correct? If the seller says that the phone has a clean ESN, then do I need to unlock the phone separately?
Once my friend in US receives the phone tomorrow, I plan to check the ESN here: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/estore/certifieddevice/cd and also with Verizon Customer Care. Some other XDA members in India and abroad are facing difficulty in connecting to 2G/3G ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2100093) so I am worried, if my money will go to waste, although on paper all seems fine. Certain seller on ebay India is saying that it will only work on CDMA networks. So there is a lot of confusion creeping in.
If there is anything other precautionary measures that I should take, before my friend ships the phone to India? Any help is deeply appreciated.
PS: Motorola has discontinued there India business (yes no local support or warranty!) , but I really adore the Razr line of phones so much (for there build quality, great battery life and vanilla UI) that I am treading this path. Only (huge) concern is if the phone will connect to the network
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So is your Droid Razr Maxx Hd working fine with the Indian GSM carrier? Me too looking for a Droid razr maxx hd from US (Verizon Locked with clean ESN). Need a confrimation as this is highly priced & i don't wanna waste my hard earned money. Your reply is appreciated. Thanks
I've been using it since a couple of months now on the Vodafone network and works fine. Gives a HDSP+ network for 3G connections. Rest your doubts the phone works fine in India.
IMischief
Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
Motorola Droid Razr Maxx Hd
eMischief said:
I've been using it since a couple of months now on the Vodafone network and works fine. Gives a HDSP+ network for 3G connections. Rest your doubts the phone works fine in India.
IMischief
Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
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Thanks for replying. Where do you stay in Mumbai? If possible giv me ur Contact Numb.
Hi, I'm also but droid razr maxx hd from eBay, I'm using it on Indonesia gsm, just insert the sim card and no problem at all
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The phone is actually GLOBAL READY NOT GLOBAL UNLCOKED
Well I bought my droid razr maxx brand new from eBay and since I knew it's global "ready" I directly brought it to Iran. I've tried a couple of non-Verizon SIMs but non of them worked. when I turn on the phone it simply doesn't recognize the SIM and doesn't let me get past the "Insert SIM" screen. So I thought there should be a problem with the phone as a result I sent it back to US and Motorola for repair and they sent it back saying no functional faults were found. yesterday I chatted with a Motorola agent and she told me "you should have had an international plan with Verizon" before taking it to countries other than US" here's the link which confirms this statement:
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/86286
When it says global ready it means that it has GSM capabilities rather than only CDMA capability and better say it's NOT GLOBALLY UNLOCKED.
valapsp said:
Well I bought my droid razr maxx brand new from eBay and since I knew it's global "ready" I directly brought it to Iran. I've tried a couple of non-Verizon SIMs but non of them worked. when I turn on the phone it simply doesn't recognize the SIM and doesn't let me get past the "Insert SIM" screen. So I thought there should be a problem with the phone as a result I sent it back to US and Motorola for repair and they sent it back saying no functional faults were found. yesterday I chatted with a Motorola agent and she told me "you should have had an international plan with Verizon" before taking it to countries other than US" here's the link which confirms this statement:
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/86286
When it says global ready it means that it has GSM capabilities rather than only CDMA capability and better say it's NOT GLOBALLY UNLOCKED.
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Did you ever resolve your GSM issue? If not, there's a video tut in my sig (Unlocked) for RAZR M and Maxx HD for both US and international carriers
androidx219 said:
Did you try out. Is it working for any GSM sim ? If yes, how did you do it ?
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First try OTA update via WiFi and if it doesn't then try this.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2022296

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