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MobileCrunch are reporting that HTC threatens handset hackers with legal action for distributing ROMs.
http://ongoingissues.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/htc-threatens-handset-hackers-with-legal-action/
maybe we, the community should build a list of user, a signature of opposing people to the closure of the site. stating that the use of the ROMs is for the purpose of cooking our own ROMs and increase the usability, performance, and desirability of the HTC handsets.
Maybe HTC need to be made aware of how much their customer base relys on ROMs for development of the HTC Handsets, and possibly go as far as to list who wouldn't buy a handset without access to other ROMs.
If Froyo doesn't come to the Desire, I WILL be installing a modified ROM regardless of HTCs feelings, and if this becomes impossible, I WILL be changing to a different brand and boycott HTC from then on. I feel very strongly about the users right to modify their phone in any way they see fit.
I dont even use the roms but i appreciate the work and effort put into them on the chance that i might use them. I also love HTC hardware because of the huge communities developed and bought my Touch Pro 2 based on the outside support that exists and if it were to get taken down by HTC i would second guess my next purchase of a Touch Pro 3 (i know it doesnt exist but something along the lines).
And as far as recommendations of hardware this site alone has swayed alot of coworkers into buying HTC hardware knowing they can tweak there purchase if the need arises.
As a matter of fact, I am now using the HTC support contact form to tell them how wrong they are in promoting this action.
The main reason because of which I didn't buy a iloserphone but chose a WM device is that I can play with it as much as I want.
In that letter it also specifically says "...or of all infringing works derived from the Intellectual Property", which means basically CUSTOM roms, the ones we're all using.
First comes shipped-roms.com, then will be the turn of XDA which hosts links to said custom roms and/or stock roms, same goes for htcpedia and everything else.
If they want to shut themselves down by making their users hate their devices, their choice, but probably we ought to let them know they're just being stupid.
Here's the message I sent them via their website, I encourage you to write them in the big numbers.
Hi.
I am the happy owner of a HD2, and I really am satisfied this device. One of the reasons I am satisfied is because of its hardware specs, the other maybe more important one is that I can actually change the way it works to perfectly suit my needs. Otherwise, I could very well dump it for an iphone.
Now, I know that the person reading this message will be a support employee, and by no means anyone who actually makes the decisions, yet I stringly encourage you to forward this mail to the upper levels.
I just learned that HTC sent a C&D letter to shipped-roms.com.
I know the legal mumbo-jumbo HTC is all about on that decision and I don't need any of that.
I also know another thing: excluding the people who buy your devices just because they were bundled with some dataplan by some carrier, and have no clue how to really use them other than as simple phones, there is a LARGE part of people, including myself, who buy your devices because they like the way they can be customized and how they can be made so much more powerful than what they came out of the store.
If you start acting against websites that allow us "power users" to get the most out of our phones, then it's like you're acting against your customers, and that is a very silly thing.
I can easily see how this kind of action could be taken further, against other leading community websites dedicated to your devices.
If and when you will do that, you will repay the dedication of your customers with legal threats, and you will instantly lose the interest in your products by the same people that now love them for the reasons I explained in this letter.
Please think carefully about it.
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ephestione said:
As a matter of fact, I am now using the HTC support contact form to tell them how wrong they are in promoting this action...
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Thanks! I'm doing the same right now. Apple is not a loser in the game, they dont shut down websites of so-called "hackers" who tweak, crack and write programs which jailbreak their iPhone, and they could just do it, they have plenty of reason to do it BUT only one NOT to do it: $!
I told you, Apple is not so stupid... unlike HTC who shoots itself in the head!(hoping the damages will be soft?) Really silly...
Edit: here's mine:
It recently came to my knowledge that HTC sent a C&D letter to the website shipped-roms.com and if this is true, and you are serious about it, please do re-consider your decision. As a proud owner of an UNBRANDED HTC HD2, HTC BLACKSTONE AND HTC DIAMOND 2, I am asking you to not bother the core of your business: without the shipped roms and the subsequent custom roms from it, I, just like hundreds of thousands of HTC owners around the world (just look at the membership of various forums offering custom roms), would not have bought an HTC device. Why we did buy it was the possibility to modify it to fit our needs, this includes by the means of custom roms too, but not only. If you take this from us, you're left with the "carriers dependant" customers who are, by far, the minority of your customers. If you're serious in taking down websites that make us buy your devices, you will have to face the consequences because without shipped rom, we will just jump ship! As you already know, the competition is tough so you better think this legal action twice if you don't want the value of your shares to melt like snow at the beginning of spring.
I have no words about what HTC is doing. I totally agree with ephestione, and if xda-developers did not exist (or any other similar forum), I would not have an WM Smartphone, as the stock ROMs are normally slow, many times out dated, and not suited for my needs.
I hope that HTC understands that sites like these are the BEST PUBLICITY that they can get fro their devices. You have people working for FREE to make the device better, what else can they ask for?
Instead of promoting, cooperating with the main chefs, and using it to their advantage, they prefer to drag them to the court, and shut them down!!!!
They already void your guarantee when you flash a custom ROM, so I can't see how initiatives like this can cost them more money.
I hope they realize that soon, and save their faces by gracefully changing their position.
I do not say, approve, but at least look the other way
I hope more people will join this cause.
Android is opensource so remove all htc apps in ROM and host htc apps @ mediafire
I Support you if its possible. How about a open letter to htc in Taiwan? I can write a letter as PDF and share it here.
Maybe we should download all of those ROMS an reupload the on a sharehoster only to start a thread with the collection of links over here? Or Maybe a thread in every Device-specific forum?
Thoughts? Want to participate?
How dumb are HTC?
It is the ability to use cooked roms that has helped me tolerate the flaws in WM over the years.
Without the offending roms I would have stopped buying HTC phones years ago. IMHO they should be encouraging the chefs.
They've gone all APPLE!!!
If they persist with this I might as well buy an i-prat and just jailbreak it.
Although slightly off topic I see the WM7 wont allow Sense etc, will HTC still be on their hobby horse. (from what I have read elsewhere it was people messing with sense that p1$$ed them off).
Can some one Post the E-Mail Address /Contact to take my part (and hopefully others) in this ridicules process?
I want to tell them how stupid that is...
Maybe I should switch over to IPhone... if you can't customize it at least works better out of the box!
Dino Crisis said:
Can some one Post the E-Mail Address /Contact to take my part (and hopefully others) in this ridicules process?
I want to tell them how stupid that is...
Maybe I should switch over to IPhone... if you can't customize it at least works better out of the box!
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http://www.htc.com/www/CS_Mail.aspx
Germany Deutsch +49-692-222-7334
Mon - Sat 09:00 - 18:00 (Mon - Fri) 09:00 - 13:00 (Sat)
upload all ROM's to multiupload.com
but my upload speed sucks
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http://www.htc.com/www/CS_Mail.aspx
Germany Deutsch +49-692-222-7334
Mon - Sat 09:00 - 18:00 (Mon - Fri) 09:00 - 13:00 (Sat)
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Thanks
Have sent email....
what do you send? can i use ur text? My english sucks
another site where I posted a modified version of ephestiones letter (thanks for that!) is http://www.htc.com/www/about_htc_bymail.aspx
EMail addresses I found are
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
HTH, Franky
No cooks, no buy
I wouldn't have bought my HTC Rhodium if there weren't custom ROMs available for it. None of the stock HTC ROMs are any good compared to custom ROMs. HTC should thank the chefs for taking their half finished ROMs and making them usable, because it's the chefs who are helping HTC to sell more phones.
That's one hell of a shot in the foot you've got there...
[RANT] This has to be without doubt one of the daftest actions HTC have ever taken against anyone...
"Hello loyal customers....... We'd like you to go to jail please! "
I heartly agree with everyone on here so far, the main reason I bought my HD2 was because of the custom ROMs on here. (Infact it got reflashed before I even put the SIM in! )
I steer clear of everything Apple because I like to be able to customise what I want, how I want. If HTC are getting all edgy because they're promoting diversity, then they should jump in the iBandwagon and I'll go back to using my Nokia.
I can say with 100% truth, if it wasn't for XDA-Dev's I wouldn't have had 6 HTC's by now. [/RANT]
Dear HTC, as a legal and loyal owner of multiple HTC devices (Vodafone magic x2, Telstra desire, Telstra hd2 and Vodafone legend) I am entitled to download any updates for these devices. As such I would like shipped-roms.com to maintain my copy for safe keeping. Seeing as you do not maintain a public copy of historical roms for unsupported devices I believe this is a suitable compromise. Also this way there is no cost to your company.
If wish to continue on this misguided attack I will dispose of these devices, buy a competitors product and never buy or recommend your product to anyone.
Yours Sincerely,
JJ
They have a forum too
HTC's official site has a forum too.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/f/87.aspx
Check the forum before posting, make sure you pick the right place for your country or maybe we can all post in the same forum. Also, if we do let's just keep a single thread over at their forums. No sense in flooding them, that will just get the threads deleted.
I hope HTC has more sense(pun intended) than to lose distinction between piracy and a huge group of fans that can only benefit them.
I am on my 5th WM HTC device and it is basically because of you guys that I have kept on going with them. I can't imagine having all this fun tweaking, prodding, and modifying any other phones.
Android should be safe... but...
This really does suck. From my understanding and previous history with scrappy unsupported phones from other OEMs, even if I did stick to WM, I would have gone out of my way to get an HTC phone, because of this site and the work that gets done here.
Fortunately, I went with a Nexus One running android so aside from the appropriated Desire keyboard, there really isn't anything that's HTC specific app wise. Also tack on the fact that Android is covered by GPL if I'm not mistaken so that should shield at least the Android development hacks. But who knows really. It could also be a licensing issue with WM specifically that may have triggered this. WM licensing is something truly weird as none of it is really visible to the end user and is usually agreed upon between OEM and carrier.
I just hope this doesn't spread to here. XDA is the central hub of making smartphones actually smart.
I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..
Why do BMW, M-B, and Audi owners compare their cars? Both HTC and Samsung positioned the Sensation and the SGS2 as their "flagships" giving everyone the right to be critical. If you look at the SGS2 board, all's not perfect. I think everyone's just curious to see how the Sensation compares to both HTC's hype and other recently launched high-end phones.
in short yes... they are in every thread praising the almighty sgs2... but anyway this thread is irrelevant and should be deleted
Two awesome phones being released at the same time makes people in the market to buy consider both phones. When you do that, you consider all the specs to what you desire.
Both phones are great. The problem is once people decide which phone they prefer, they defend why they believe one phone is better than the other. It sparks debate, then at some point it gets childish when people start calling names, defending a manufacturer or condescend others for wanting one phone over the other.
Not to mention, once you shell out any amount of $$$ for something you have to justify it. If someone is saying it's not worth it, that may spark a bit of emotion if you like said product.
To me, it's more damaging than it does good. Everyone needs to agree to disagree or just be content with their purchases. If there are benefits of one phone over the other, then fine. Share information and let everyone decide what they want on their own. No need to call people "trolls" or "fanboys" because they prefer one device over the other. It's silly.
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I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..
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Respectfully, you can just say all Samsung guys come over posting that the GSII is better, because it's there are a fair share of HTC sensation users that do the same, simply because of what the below/above/PREVIOUS post said. Generally (from what I've seen on other forums) ONCE you get the device, whether it be Sensation or the GSII, you tend to lay off the forums because you "contempt" with whichever phone you went for, because they're both beauties.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they put the Sensation down because they're trying to validate the purchase of the SG2. You have to admit, flaunting around your product, saying it's better, makes it seem better.
Who cares, Sammy just pist off htc release Sensation at the Same time as SGII. That's how bussiness is. Competitions..... Isn't great for us consumers? Plus im not dumb enough paying 750-800 for that plastic crap. Sensation 500 full retail and tons loads of dev.
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rameel said:
I cant understand why they come on here or every youtube video about the Sensation and post how their Sgs2 is better?! like who cares!?! We like a phone that isnt made out of plastic!!
Does it make them feel better about their purchase when they post stupid stuff..
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This -well-analyzed- behavior is called "Cognitive Dissonance" , and yes, it makes them feel better, even superior to do so. =D
so long, waiting for the sensation to come out unbranded on the market in germany.
Sgs 2 owner here, but loved my htc hero before this. Was checking out the sensation and evo 3d before I went for the sgs 2.
I liked all these phones equally, there really is not much between them that it really matters.
but sgs was released just as my upgrade come up.
Still very interested in the sensation and how people are finding it, so is why i come to this forum.
personally I believe I would of been just as happy with the sensation. looks a fantastic device that will be even nicer with a few patches/upgrades.
The SII is a much better offering but it still has huge, glaring weaknesses in my eyes. The cheap plastic casing is a turn off, I don't like the buttons or the hardware design whatsoever (I detest it so much I wouldn't even use a free SII) and the UI looks absolutely horrible. And those are mostly just the cosmetic flaws.
It does some things right but at the end of the day, if I somehow acquired that phone I'd sell it in favor of getting another dual core like the HTC Sensation or Evo 3D.
Lol another fanboy thread. I see plenty of HTC fanboys in the Samsung forum. Starting a whole thread about this as well? We all know the mods don't care either, or are in with the game. Sorry that the Sensation isn't getting the type of buzz that the GS2 is and this forum is way smaller, so people have nothing better to do than speculate and start ****. Dogs pushed into a corner will bark louder. Would be nice if all the fanboys just choked each other to death, but then again it is a HUMAN flaw.
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Lol another fanboy thread. I see plenty of HTC fanboys in the Samsung forum. Starting a whole thread about this as well? We all know the mods don't care either, or are in with the game. Sorry that the Sensation isn't getting the type of buzz that the GS2 is and this forum is way smaller, so people have nothing better to do than speculate and start ****. Dogs pushed into a corner will bark louder. Would be nice if all the fanboys just choked each other to death, but then again it is a HUMAN flaw.
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One word: FAIL!!!
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Interesting. So, I would think Sensation users don't care/compare Samsung or other products. That would be my question to the OP and other users.
EDIT: Why do you (OP) care about what others do? This is a forum, people will post and visit anywhere they like. If you don't understand this very simple logic, you better not use internet.
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Who cares, Sammy just pist off htc release Sensation at the Same time as SGII. That's how bussiness is. Competitions..... Isn't great for us consumers? Plus im not dumb enough paying 750-800 for that plastic crap. Sensation 500 full retail and tons loads of dev.
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Enjoy your locked bootloader
Nah just kidding, both phones are class, just my personal preference is the GS2.
Wish the GS2 was made out of the same premium materials that the Sensation is made out of though
Andy2.2 said:
Enjoy your locked bootloader
Nah just kidding, both phones are class, just my personal preference is the GS2.
Wish the GS2 was made out of the same premium materials that the Sensation is made out of though
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Don't we all!
Personally I spent about 3 weeks deciding between the SGS2 and the Sensation, both are obviously great products.
I must have read every review and comparison on the net.
In the end I chose the Sensation because I prefer the solid feel, HTC Sense, and I'll take resolution above screen brightness and vibrancy, but these are all matters of personal choice and I can understand why others would choose differently.
Each to their own and enjoy your phone whichever one you bought.
The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .
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The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .
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+1 hahahaha, hey Sammy what did you do with your unlock bootloader? What kind of rom do you have?
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
The SGS II fans are hoping more hackers get one so they'll get more support .
They also hope someone will port Sense 3.0 to the SGS II, but that's not going to happen .
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This goes against the objective of the thread. It's blasphemous to think about other products as per OP. You are not allowed to compare other products.
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What I am more worried about is why so less posts/threads about the product. The GS2 forum was filled with comments, complaints, discussion and the internet was filled with topics/reviews/analysis. Sensation on the opposite seems so quite. Everyone wants to know about the phone and I can't wait to read more.
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What I am more worried about is why so less posts/threads about the product. The GS2 forum was filled with comments, complaints, discussion and the internet was filled with topics/reviews/analysis. Sensation on the opposite seems so quite. Everyone wants to know about the phone and I can't wait to read more.
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SGS II went on sale first. That's why.
Hi, I'm an Incredible S owner but I thought I'd cross-post this here since it applies to the Desire S as well.
There's a new online petition to protest HTC's decision to introduce signed bootloaders that prevent rooting and the use of custom ROMs on their phones. It's on a website called Groubal which takes customer complaints directly to companies if a petition gets enough signatures.
If like me (and most of us on the IS forum!) you want to see HTC's decision to lock down all their new phone firmware reversed, please go to this page and sign. Maybe if there are enough of us, HTC will be forced to listen.
Thanks for your time!
i signed but well, you really think htc is caring about that partition?
they give a f*** for those low % of persons wanting open bootloaders
Really? I mean, come on really?
I'll sign but these never do any good. The only thing companies a big as HTC respond to is money. If enough of us switch to Samsung and LG maybe they'll listen. Problem is Im still buying Evo 3D as their is a glimmer of hope that it will be unlocked or hacked. If its not within the first 30 days its going back.
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IS is obviously Incredible S, piece it together before you post insulting comments
I figured it out about 2 seconds after I posted but looks like you already read it. Definitely wasn't insulting though and IS is not obvious. Never heard it refered to as IS only Inc S. Internet and their damn acronyms for everything!
To me it seemed like it should of read "If you're like me (and most of us on the forum ARE) "
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I figured it out about 2 seconds after I posted but looks like you already read it. Definitely wasn't insulting though and IS is not obvious. Never heard it refered to as IS only Inc S. Internet and their damn acronyms for everything!
To me it seemed like it should of read "If you're like me (and most of us on the forum ARE) "
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Apologies for any confusion, I wrote it in a bit of a hurry! As long as you got the gist of it, that's the main thing.
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I'll sign but these never do any good. The only thing companies a big as HTC respond to is money. If enough of us switch to Samsung and LG maybe they'll listen. Problem is Im still buying Evo 3D as their is a glimmer of hope that it will be unlocked or hacked. If its not within the first 30 days its going back.
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This partly true. HTC have been a long way short after the HD2 (clearly ahead of the market), but now with the Sensation they have a chance to capture the high end consumers again.
We are another segment of consumers and a small one at that; if we don't buy HTC phones then I doubt it would make a big enough dent in their revenue to matter. BUT in my opinion we are a group at the forefront of having the most strict requirements. Those that push the boundaries of these phones, critiquing ever bit of software/hardware far more than the average consumer. If we were listened too a bit more HTC might realise that we hack and root our phones because we know they have the potential to be better, a potential that HTC need to realise to beat the likes of Samsung (who are improving on their software and at this rate will soon offer consistently better phones than HTC).
We should be embraced, not excluded.
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I figured it out about 2 seconds after I posted but looks like you already read it. Definitely wasn't insulting though and IS is not obvious. Never heard it refered to as IS only Inc S. Internet and their damn acronyms for everything!
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As a non-native speaker I hate acronyms too, and if you didn't mean that in an insulting way, my apologies ...you know what they say...think before ink
PS: to me it was obvious especially after pointing out he's from Incredible S forum...plus Desire S is often reffered to as a DS
But I think HTC will never listen to petitions like this... sadly... (but I signed it nonetheless )
Just signed it, although the chance of HTC to reconsider unlocked bootloader is very slim. Hopefully their sales will be affected by this poor decision.
These companies don't care about petitions. They only follow their agendas.
Still rocking the Incredible with the XDA Premium App.
Never give up trying...
Don't know how much this will help, but signed the petition.
i will sign just for the cause.
its a no win answer for HTC. if they claim only a small percentage of users root and that this wont effect sales, then why spend the money to lock their bootloaders if such a low percentage of users even root anyway? seems like a waste of resources and money if virtually nobody roots.
and if a high percentage of users DO root, then why lock their bootloaders since that would indicate those users buy HTC specifically for the rooting abilities.
either reason HTC uses as an excuse, it goes into the makes no sense answer response.
Check it out, launching soon. - http://www.htcdev.com/
First they say they will keep future phones bootloaders unlocked, and now this. HTC is truly listening to their customers
Looks very promising
I think they just realized the benefits of having a volunteer labor force aggressively developing custom Sense ROMs for their machines. If they follow through, their sales will get a big boost.
DInc with CyanogenMod 6.1 & Invisiblek #28 kernel.
Holy cow. Very impressive. Good on htc
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Definitely two thumbs up for HTC! Maybe they see how knowledgeable the people of the community are and seem to solve our own problems before they do. They are definitely going to the best route to the top though!
-Dubsky
Sent from my secret shoe phone.
Awesome
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Thumbs up!
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Sweet deal HTC!
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kinda like to hear what the devs have say on the subject,have any of them checked it out,are they gonna have free hand,i would say they will guidelines to follow,maybe in the future we get a certified bamf rom that screams and htc gets a whole lotta new customers
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It seems like everyone's excitement stems from the assumption that this means HTC is somehow making it easier to modify and/or remove the Sense overlay from their android releases.
Perhaps I'm interpreting incorrectly, but to me it instead reads like HTC is "opening up sense" to try and capture developers into coding something that would only run on their own devices.
IE, the net result being that sense will still be inextricably intertwined into their android forks AND will seep it's way into some apps programmed by independent devs, thus further fragmenting the android ecosystem.
What's everyone so happy about?
Edit: In other words, everyone seems to believe that HTC is inviting talented outside developers to help debug their official rom when what they're really doing is keeping that development to themselves and instead trying to get sense's bloated look & feel incorporated into third-party apps as well.
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It seems like everyone's excitement stems from the assumption that this means HTC is somehow making it easier to modify and/or remove the Sense overlay from their android releases.
Perhaps I'm interpreting incorrectly, but to me it instead reads like HTC is "opening up sense" to try and capture developers into coding something that would only run on their own devices.
IE, the net result being that sense will still be inextricably intertwined into their android forks AND will seep it's way into some apps programmed by independent devs, thus further fragmenting the android ecosystem.
What's everyone so happy about?
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I was thinking that could be the case as well. But I really don't think it will be the case.
HTC has no intentions of dumping sense and any development they encourage wont be directly towards AOSP development, just sense. Though perhaps some good will come out of it *if* they are nice enough to cough up the source to the sense modifications they made and to the android libraries they modified (since they currently give neither). Our luck, they'll just release some sort of development kit/api and keep things closed still. It's pretty clear though that after realizing how popular CM and Miui are (there was a big front page article on wired just the other week about it) they want to try to "catch the wave" as well. Whether they do it right or screw it up by listening to their corporate MBAs/marketing types instead of their in-house engineers (no dis on those that happen to be in those fields, but when i want advice on how to run a business, I'll ask [just stay away from telling me how to code ]). Tech companies that are successful are founded by and listen to their engineers (Google, Microsoft, Twitter, Facebook).
However, those that like sense, were most likely sense developers/hackers/modders to begin with. The divisions between those that like the third party frameworks/launchers on phones and thsoe that like vanilla are pretty clear lines. I don't foresee any significant brain drain happening from other non-sense projects really.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/03/...-and-htcdev-offers-paradise-inside-i/?m=false
Htc will never open source sense. They are, in fact, going the opposite direction.
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Hmmm... At first I was happy, but after thinking about it. I'm not sure if it means that they are giving devs access to their sense code. Now that I read the article it just seems they are providing an SDK so devs can develop for sense. IMO it's kinda redundant... Can't they use the market somehow? I think it could be interesting, but a HTC Sense market and an Amazon market (even though I like their free apps lol) isn't really doing much to make the Android Market any better.
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Hmmm... At first I was happy, but after thinking about it. I'm not sure if it means that they are giving devs access to their sense code. Now that I read the article it just seems they are providing an SDK so devs can develop for sense. IMO it's kinda redundant... Can't they use the market somehow? I think it could be interesting, but a HTC Sense market and an Amazon market (even though I like their free apps lol) isn't really doing much to make the Android Market any better.
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sdk would just replace most of the needed hacking people do for themes and other non kernel related modding on sense that you see in the forums (or at least provide an alternative).
Wow! This is pretty awesome. I just hope there isn't too much red tape and restrictions.
Why develop just for HTC phones when you can target all of android? I guess the access to 3D APIs etc could be nice but I see nothing good that can come from making HTC Sense 3.0 apps instead of Android apps.
Braggo said:
Why develop just for HTC phones when you can target all of android? I guess the access to 3D APIs etc could be nice but I see nothing good that can come from making HTC Sense 3.0 apps instead of Android apps.
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Because HTC is doing it, and Sense is their product, they want to further push their products. If they make it for all android devices then Motorola, Samsung, & others could use it too. Which means HTC would be putting money into developing apps and the such for competiting companies, not a smart business move.
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Because HTC is doing it, and Sense is their product, they want to further push their products. If they make it for all android devices then Motorola, Samsung, & others could use it too. Which means HTC would be putting money into developing apps and the such for competiting companies, not a smart business move.
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I completely understand why HTC is doing it. I'm just not sure why developers would want to restrict their applications to HTC phones.
Well I say whatever comes out of this is still fine. If it seems HTC is plotting something evil or their is too much red tape than developers can choose whether they're into that or not. Worse case scenario is that it is unproductive. Then we keep coming to xda for our fixes, updates, and leaks. I say good job HTC and I hope other manufacturers follow suit.
Please support this by posting your dissatisfaction regarding HTC's recent actions regarding non removable batteries, no sd card, no USB host mode, and locked bootloader with the "flagship"(LOL) One series.
SGS3 is looking good! Sd card, replaceable/extended battery, and easily unlocked.
Samsung proved it CAN be done, what happened to you HTC? Sad.
If we generate enough noise, they will listen. Speak up XDA!
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I agree.
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Sometimes I wonder how old people like the OP are. Just because a company doesnt have the necessary technology to do certain things they should be boycotted? Oh well.
c5satellite2 said:
Please support this by posting your dissatisfaction regarding HTC's recent actions regarding non removable batteries, no sd card, no USB host mode, and locked bootloader with the "flagship"(LOL) One series.
SGS3 is looking good! Sd card, replaceable/extended battery, and easily unlocked.
Samsung proved it CAN be done, what happened to you HTC? Sad.
If we generate enough noise, they will listen. Speak up XDA!
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You do realize that the locked boot loader was asked for by ATT and not HTC right. They will most likely ask the same of Samsung for their version of the SGS 3
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If you want to boycott HTC, don't buy their products, simple as that. No offense, but people ranting online isn't gonna change shiat if their sales aren't dropping.
After HTC read this(if ever) HTC will start their own campaign to boycott you.
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If you want to boycott HTC, don't buy their products, simple as that. No offense, but people ranting online isn't gonna change shiat if their sales aren't dropping.
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This. Hit them where it hurts, the pocketbooks. Don't do some stupid online petition, they rarely even work. Just don't buy HTC. I know my next phone most likely will be Samsung.
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Sometimes I wonder how old people like the OP are. Just because a company doesnt have the necessary technology to do certain things they should be boycotted? Oh well.
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Well said...
louis.b said:
Sometimes I wonder how old people like the OP are. Just because a company doesnt have the necessary technology to do certain things they should be boycotted? Oh well.
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Seriously? They don't have the necessary technology? Are you for real? HTC has control over the phone. They have the technology I assure you. I am an IT professional(for 20+years), managed IT companies, deploy servers/networks, build servers, clients, deploy wireless links, etc, etc. and far more.
HTC said that all phones will be unlocked, not me, not att. HTC rolled over apparently for att, instead of standing their ground, according to recent news.
And yes I have had HTC phones for the last 10 years, administer many smartphones, and have flashed more roms than I can remember.
I am shocked how HTC has made so many mistakes with this One(pun intended). Could have truly been a world beater if it had sd card, upgradeable battery, host mode, and an UNLOCKED BOOTLOADER!
Helping put pressure on HTC to put pressure on att is the ultimate goal. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, the quiet one gets ignored. Make some noise!
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Seriously? They don't have the necessary technology? Are you for real? HTC has control over the phone. They have the technology I assure you. I am an IT professional(for 20+years), managed IT companies, deploy servers/networks, build servers, clients, deploy wireless links, etc, etc. and far more.
HTC said that all phones will be unlocked, not me, not att. HTC rolled over apparently for att, instead of standing their ground, according to recent news.
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HTC doesnt have complete control of the phones in the US. The carriers have more control. They say if the bootloaders are locked or not and they control all updates sent out to the phones.
An a business level I cant blame them. If ATT said either lock them or we wont carry them then I would lock them down as well. We have to look at it from their point of view. They are in it to make money. ATT wants to cut back on the returns due to people messing with stuff most people have no business messing with. (happens more then you would think.)
We can complain all we want but in the end if you dont like it then do what i do and buy an international unlocked version and not worry about it.
Does apple obey carriers? No.
Ok zelendel, why are you even posting, you a referee or commentator?
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Does apple obey carriers? No.
Ok zelendel, why are you even posting, you a referee or commentator?
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Little bit of both to be honest. I see people getting into such an uproar without having all the facts. If people want to make a point then they should do so with all available info on it. I mean think about it. just for a hot min. If you were HTC what would you have done. Taken a 3 million device hit just to keep 1% of the users happy?
As for Apple there are far less issues with apple. If Android was as locked down as IOS then this would not be an issue
I have to agree with OP, even though the SGS3 is not as good looking as the One X, I will still go for the SGS3 because it has removable battery and storage which is important to me.
Sorry HTC you are trying hard to be Apple and you're not.
i agree !!
i like sgs3 than more htc one x
People gotta make money, and HTC is no exception. If you gotta boycott HTC, might as well boycott the spirit of capitalism.
oh wow, can't believe they'd do that. That's exactly like following how APPLE makes their products. But then again, HTC has other devices that aren't like that and will they be doing this to every new product that comes out?
Either way we should be grateful for the device. My Galaxy Nexus has no SD card but it's fine with me.
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People gotta make money, and HTC is no exception. If you gotta boycott HTC, might as well boycott the spirit of capitalism.
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What? You make no damn sense. How is not buying a specific product going against the "Spirit" of capitalisim?
Even though AT&T requested to lock it down, it's HTC's fault for promising something and then taking it away.
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You do realize that the locked boot loader was asked for by ATT and not HTC right. They will most likely ask the same of Samsung for their version of the SGS 3
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I disagree. It has something to do with HTC as well. Back at the end last year I got the vivid and we had to wait months and months for an unlock. We tried to urge both HTC and AT&T but they just pointed the finger at one another. Meanwhile, the GSII came to AT&T with no such problems. Even the skyrocket which came out at the exact same time of the vivid had no such issues. I'd be willing to bet the GSIII has no kind of problems with regards to rooting. HTC is just as much to blame for not keeping their promises, while Samsung doesn't have any such stipulations.
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The Apple example is excellent. At&t bends over for Apple. No bloatware on their phones what so ever. People are mad at HTC more they SAID no more locked boot loaders and put out a phone with a locked boot loader. Does anyone like people that talk out of their ass? That's the issue here.
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