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Hey guys, brudis1 here. it has been brought to my attention by a good friend that I may have offended some or all of the members of this forum due to my choice of words when I asked about security in an earlier thread. I would like to appologize to anyone that I may have offended by my question... it was not my intention to offend, disrespect, and surely not to accuse anyone, I'm just a newb at all this stuff and really excited about my new evo and all the really cool things I would like to do with it...I really appreciate all the help that I've recieved thus far and only ment to ask the security question in a genaral sense... I know that there are tons of "Awesome" developers on this forum and I can only dream of learning how to do some of the things I've seen you guys do..So to all the developers that get a change to read this; I appologize with great humbleness for putting my foot in my mouth. I know all of you put in a great deal of work on helping folks out like who obviously don't a *#@%& thing about this type of community... so Flame me or whatever you guys call it (I deserve it man!) but I would still like to recieve whatever type of helpful pointers anyone would like to provide.
Well, the fact that you have posted this apology shows maturity and a good attitude, I applaud you for that.
I don't know the circumstances you talk of, but that doesn't matter. We all get excited and hyped up when we get a new "toy" and want to get to know as much about it as possible, so it's understandable.
XDA is a simply amazing place to learn about Windows Mobile or Android, or any common pda/smartphone. You'll find the more you participate in discussions and play with new roms and applications, the more you'll learn...but most importantly, make sure you have fun
Thanks
I appreciate the response, it is encouraging to see that someone understands where I'm coming from.. this is the first response I've had in around 7 different posts sinse I asked about the security of my phone after rooting it and trying new roms... Considering the fact that I use my phone for online banking sometimes, I realize I should have formed my question a little more tactfully instead of asking what's to keep a developer from creating some kind of back door in some of the developements to have access to other folks' information... After reading the rules and just observing the great respect and credibility among the members of this forum, I'm kind of ashamed to have even asked a question like but anyways that neither here or there...again, I do appreciate your response.
Thanks a bunch!
So I’ve been seeing posts and threads floating around asking about Dev Support on the SkyRocket. There are two thoughts floating around. The first being that the SkyRocket will not have Dev support like Nexus or any other phone and we may as well give up on Dev Support, the second being that there is Dev Support and people actively working on the device. I tend to agree with the second thought so I wanted to post this up for everyone to think about.
First off we have to remember that Devs are not here to serve us. Most all Devs, regardless of device, do this as a hobby and like to share with others their hard work. Secondly, everyone should contribute SOMETHING to the community. Whether it’s advice on how to do something with our device, or links to good articles, links to deals on accessories or whatever, or if you have experience in development or gfxs or if you like to spread the word on social media. Whatever you want to do, just be a contributor to the community and the forum, I think if we all contribute more and take less, Dev support will grow and so will our community.
I also think it's awesome when people get excited about a ROM or Theme, that excitement gives the Devs postive feedback that helps them get excited. Basically what I am saying is positive feedback is just as important as the complaints and problem feedback. Probably more important, no one wants to be burden with problems constantly. An encouraging word can go a LONG way!
It’s just as important to be PROACTIVE in looking for answers to any questions you may have before you ask in the forums. It’s cool to ask a question but you should always be sure it wasn’t already answered. And be patient until someone can answer your question don’t start demanding answers if your post has only been up for a few hours, give people time to read it and digest it. Again this is just good community etiquette.
I am always available to PM if anyone ever has a question for me, I got no problem trying to help people and I enjoy seeing people figure things out. I do wallpapers, icons, docks and themes for our phones and I am a recognized Theme Dev on RootzWiki. I’m going to do my best to make the SkyRocket forums one of the greatest forums on xda. I’m not saying that to be prideful or boastful because I think we ALL need to do our best to make these forums the best they can be. We can’t just expect Devs to take the load, we got to ALL be proactive if we want good product.
All this being said, I think we have a great community started here. Looking forward to the future with all of you!
Alex
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So I’ve been seeing posts and threads floating around asking about Dev Support on the SkyRocket. There are two thoughts floating around. The first being that the SkyRocket will not have Dev support like Nexus or any other phone and we may as well give up on Dev Support, the second being that there is Dev Support and people actively working on the device. I tend to agree with the second thought so I wanted to post this up for everyone to think about.
First off we have to remember that Devs are not here to serve us. Most all Devs, regardless of device, do this as a hobby and like to share with others their hard work. Secondly, everyone should contribute SOMETHING to the community. Whether it’s advice on how to do something with our device, or links to good articles, links to deals on accessories or whatever, or if you have experience in development or gfxs or if you like to spread the word on social media. Whatever you want to do, just be a contributor to the community and the forum, I think if we all contribute more and take less, Dev support will grow and so will our community.
I also think it's awesome when people get excited about a ROM or Theme, that excitement gives the Devs postive feedback that helps them get excited. Basically what I am saying is positive feedback is just as important as the complaints and problem feedback. Probably more important, no one wants to be burden with problems constantly. An encouraging word can go a LONG way!
It’s just as important to be PROACTIVE in looking for answers to any questions you may have before you ask in the forums. It’s cool to ask a question but you should always be sure it wasn’t already answered. And be patient until someone can answer your question don’t start demanding answers if your post has only been up for a few hours, give people time to read it and digest it. Again this is just good community etiquette.
I am always available to PM if anyone ever has a question for me, I got no problem trying to help people and I enjoy seeing people figure things out. I do wallpapers, icons, docks and themes for our phones and I am a recognized Theme Dev on RootzWiki. I’m going to do my best to make the SkyRocket forums one of the greatest forums on xda. I’m not saying that to be prideful or boastful because I think we ALL need to do our best to make these forums the best they can be. We can’t just expect Devs to take the load, we got to ALL be proactive if we want good product.
All this being said, I think we have a great community started here. Looking forward to the future with all of you!
Alex
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Yes YES YES!!!!!!!
this is the Truth<<<<
thanks for this post Mortem
Very well put sir. Thank you
We also have to remember that some of these devs, myself included, have families.
Families should always come first and everyone should understand that, if someone doesn't understand that then that is seriously messed up.
This is one of the reasons I am taking a break from themes, family. I get so obsessed with the theme that my family suffers, my kids don't see me for days. It's just not right. And that is something I have to work on, and that is what I am trying to do. I need to learn to tell peeps here.....yo, I need to take a break I got family that needs me.....and if they understand cool, if not, tough luck.
Wallpapers are not so intensive, I can bang a wall out in no time.....but themes, that's a whole new beast and it is intensive.
At any rate, I am excited to see what our Devs can put out and excited to keep making wallpapers for all you guys that appreciate them.
Oh one more thing. You can never hit the THANKS button too many times. It really is a moral booster to see people appreciate your work. No one here is making money from donations, and hitting the Thanks button is free.
Amen brother.. thanks to all who help this forum rock... after the holidays i might start helping out theme wise. Icons etc.. but too busy til then . And its my busy season at work. Graphics...
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Support your devs!!!! Speaking of which, I need to hit our current devs up with a donation each. All this time spent looking to lure new development onboard worries me that the current work is going on unappreciated
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I would like to publicly offer my skills to any developer that is currently working on SkyRocket ROMs.
Although at the moment I cannot work on full on themes I can certainly help you in the area of gfxs if need be, depending on what you need of course.
Please let me know if I can assist in anyway, and if it's in my ability I will certainly help.
and feel free to add me to Google Plus if you are there, send me a message and I will add you to my SkyRocket circle.
http://gplus.to/MortemTuam
Thanks
Alex
This is a great site and great community, every single developer on here has infinitely more knowledge than I do about android and I thank every one of you. I just can't help wondering how things could be even BETTER if some people could drop their ego's a little bit. I was just reading a few threads where one dev will offer another a piece of advice or constructive criticism and the the OP gets all bent out of shape. Why can't we all admit we aren't perfect and work together and share ALL the knowledge?
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This is a great site and great community, every single developer on here has infinitely more knowledge than I do about android and I thank every one of you. I just can't help wondering how things could be even BETTER if some people could drop their ego's a little bit. I was just reading a few threads where one dev will offer another a piece of advice or constructive criticism and the the OP gets all bent out of shape. Why can't we all admit we aren't perfect and work together and share ALL the knowledge?
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Good man I am completely agree with you.
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That's all well and good but when you get people that don't even attempt to use the search function (which is Rule #1 of the forum) then people are obviously going to get narked!!
End of the day, the vast majority of questions have been answered in one way or another so you just need to learn to help yourself
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That's all well and good but when you get people that don't even attempt to use the search function (which is Rule #1 of the forum) then people are obviously going to get narked!!
End of the day, the vast majority of questions have been answered in one way or another so you just need to learn to help yourself
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Yes you r right there are few people who even don't bother to use search tool. Keep asking same question again and again.
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It's really not the questions I'm talking about, more the developer to developer interactions. I can think of only a handful of developers who comment in other peoples threads and try to help other people, and that's when I see the negative remarks, the "I'm not going to listen to your suggestions because I already know..." type things. If one developer solves a problem why not share it immediately? If one knows of a better way to do things, why not share it?
Because it would take away from the Devs thread traffic - Devs like to be exclusive if they fix something first (which goes back to the ego thing). Always been this way I'm afraid
Because that would make too much sense and not cause enough bull**** - duh.
Hey guys,
I am not really sure if this is the right place or even the right forum.
My best friend wants to apply for this job and asked me if I could post a question for him.
I am not allowed to post links yet so just google App Developer bei Headmatch.
I'll post the link as soon as I can.
He fullfills almost all the requirements listed in this ad apart from one:
he totally lacks job experience. He works as a webdeveloper but in his freetime he enjoys to develop apps and I think he is pretty good at it.
Do you think he should apply. Do you think they'll take him seriously if he tells them what I told you?
Thanks, I'd be really glad if I get some feedback from you.
ITbavaria
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Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.
Failure to comply with forum rules will result in an infraction and/or ban depending on severity of rule break.
Thanks for moving the thread.
It wasn't on purpose and I hope to get some feedback in this subforum...
ITbavaria
ITbavaria said:
Hey guys,
I am not really sure if this is the right place or even the right forum.
My best friend wants to apply for this job and asked me if I could post a question for him.
I am not allowed to post links yet so just google App Developer bei Headmatch.
I'll post the link as soon as I can.
He fullfills almost all the requirements listed in this ad apart from one:
he totally lacks job experience. He works as a webdeveloper but in his freetime he enjoys to develop apps and I think he is pretty good at it.
Do you think he should apply. Do you think they'll take him seriously if he tells them what I told you?
Thanks, I'd be really glad if I get some feedback from you.
ITbavaria
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So, here is the link to the job add, maybe someone could help me now...please :fingers-crossed:
http://www.headmatch.de/de/stellensuche/1/278/it/app-developer
thanks!!!
That's a good question and one that many people here might like to know.
There's a lot of talent here, but can those people get hired?
I think that one of the stumbling block might be lack of experience,
both collaborating with people and using collaborative software (SVN, CVS, Git).
I'd like to hear from somebody who actually hires, somebody who will say,
"Yes, I'll hire somebody clever and not throw their résumé away just because they don't know XYZ yet".
Unfortunately in this economy I think that many managers want to play it safe
with some dirge who has been doing the same job already for 5 years.
Hey,
thanks a lot for your comment and feedback
It would be nice if employers would think that way
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I'd like to hear from somebody who actually hires, somebody who will say,
"Yes, I'll hire somebody clever and not throw their résumé away just because they don't know XYZ yet".
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But I fear that's not the case.
Is there anyone in this forum who made a different experience???
ITbavaria
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Anyway, I think I'll take a chance and apply for this job.
I guess there's nothing to lose.
And if there's isn't anyone who could actually help me, all I can do is try...
I think it depends on the individual's ability to illustrate and prove their drive and commitment to their craft. Experience is always preferable, but someone truly commited and promising is an equally valuable asset, as well.
Google is the dream company to work with for many people that aspire to do <strong>great</strong> things in their careers and lives. Both people with experience and without, like yourself and myself and anyone else reading this thread and asking the same question. That being said, it's better to be <i>more</i> prepared than your competition if you lack the experience they have. It's great to be self-driven and be able to learn a subject or trade on your own time. Employers don't look for visionaries during a job interview, they look for competence. Demonstrate your competence to get the job done as well as your proficiency in the professional skills required to do it. Beyond that, it's in their hands to pick whoever they see fit for the job.
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Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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Post of the month!
ETA:
As much as I agree, this is flogging a dead horse
Until you can change the impatient 'fix it now, I refuse to read the first post post anyway, that bits not important' mentality of the average user, nothing will change
I agree. most users in this community are selfish. most likely they demand fix this please, when's the next update, port it please, comparing their work to another's hard work, flaming and so on.
they neither try to read back the thread or use the search function. or has no clue with the forum rules. it's a sad thing but yeah it's here. it's really a sad thing but there's nothing we can do unless they learn to respect the free work devs have put into their work. people should realize devs are doing it on their spare time on their own will to share to people for users to enjoy for free.
Agree
I was hoping to find a thread like this and I totally agree with you.
But maybe that is not the end cause I think that the devs will still love what they do just that they try not to address certain people.
As great as the idea of XDA is and as much as I'm happy that this awesome forum exists..I think that it should be talked/discussed about the forum rules!!!
Example:
How can it be possible that you become senior member with 100 posts?
This leads to flaming in some cases and is no way near related on how helpful you are
The process in being allowed to post
While some are annoyed that they can't discuss right after logging the first time....for others it is way to simple to join and flame.
Rules enforcement
We all know that some posts we make are not related to the devices...and I think that this shouldn't be seen as an issue in general...XDA to me is also a communication page as long as the dev doesn't have a problem with it... BUT being disrespectful to the work you receive for free and claiming bugs where there are reported to be none and most important refusing to read should be looked after more often.
At last I really don't want to criticize XDA or what it stands for cause I still love it... I just hope it stays what it was created for and won't loose the devs which are doing so many awesome things for us because some people just can't follow the rules and be thankful for what they get
Maybe some new rules when people sign up?like private reference or something?but then again that would drop Ads revenue of this site drasticly
Unfortunately it's fact that most of the users are never happy enough with the things they get FOR FREE. They don't see the hard work of the devs behind a custom ROM. They only see what they have on their phones, and if there's something they don't like, they complain and blame the dev. And the fact that many users don't read instructions or simple informations gives the devs more work. They have to watch their thread 24 hours a day and always be friendly and helpful. If that's not given, some users become rude. My favorite thread was closed this morning because of such stupidity. The dev pulls his heart and soul in his project and gets more negative than positive feedback. That's not fair.
@4aces: you know what thread I'm talking about, i think you agree, it's a sad sad day for us.
Exactly @speedwayfan75 that why I had to voice my rant over that thread. And @DSA same for your thread too shut due to some users. Black box was great used on s3 then got discontinued on s4
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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So you are announcing the end of the custom ROMs, because of some impatient noobs, who have always been around and probably always will be? Are you for real?
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Did I day that :banghead:
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In my opinion it's also the fault of XDA in general.
Just take a look in the Q&A section. So many question that have been anwsered before, so many people that just won't read.
In my opinion every thread that doesn't have a decent opening post should be closed untill they put some effort in it. But the more users XDA gets, the more money they make. So the skill level will only keep lowering and then some other decent website opens and replaces XDA.
Users just get to much space to do anything they want. I'm not blaming the mods in any way, because I think they are doing a good job. People higher up the ladder should take action or XDA will go down true their own succes.
I agree that there are many noob who do not read the post before replying.
But every boby was a noob before no?
just give them a chance to become good Android users...
PS: sorry for my english, i'am french !
You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
Users should be understanding about this. I think XDA should double the number of moderators so that useless posts are deleted on regular basis. For developers; they should create a third post on their ROM topic, that has a big list of all FAQs in bold.
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You can't stop anyone from posting questions without searching first, or asking for OTAs. The only thing the devs can do is to ignore these people.
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I agree. I'm not sure if Devs will start charging, to be honest I'd probably pay, But anyways.... I work in Service Management for a Global IT company, and this behaviour is pretty standard when you are dealing with this many users..
I for one respond ONCE and the ignore users that make demands or unreasonable requests or are just plain offensive or rude.
What makes it worse though is the number of more experienced users that actually reply to these people in the thread. Honestly is some threads they have doubled the useless post count! Now, before I get flamed, I have done it myself because its just plain RUDE!!! But it doesn't take every 'good' user to flame back or stick up for the dev or say not to ask for ETAs! Just once will do and then ignore them!
If you ask any service professional or SixSigma bod, they will say 'focus on the good users and ignore the bad'.
Please please though reading multiple posts from good users responding to bad users is just as annoying as having to read the original bad post.
Peace Out People!
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Its not as simple as that
If I create a development thread and include all relevant info in the first post, which is then populated with nothing but questions that are answered in the first post it makes it incredibly hard to find any proper posts which could contribute to the rom or for me to help a genuine user having issues
I created a specific q&a thread for these types of posts and everyone ignored it and filled up my dev thread instead
XDA has a chronic problem with users atm, I can't explain it or understand it, but I'm seeing more and more devs close their threads because of the users populating it
Have a read of the gravitybox thread in the xposed section...its unbelievable..
ETA: just had a read of the echorom thread...check @friedrich420 last posts in there..I feel for him as I know exactly how he feels
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I thank you from the bottom of my heart!! I know if anyone can understand is you my man!! I create a basic custom rom at best (and kernels lately). You create the most awesome rom i have ever used!! Way way over my head!! And you get the same treatment?? Its really not worth it!! People (im not generalizing because there are some EXCEPTIONAL USERS who deserve recognition) dont get (or dont want to get) what it takes to create a masterpiece like yours for example...
Thank you and my wish is that we will see you back!!
But one thing is for sure, something has to change...
It seems that people value something only if they have to pay for it... Im not say this should happen here but something that protects us (the creators/ providers of roms. kernels, recoveries, mods, apps etc etc) for the **** we get should be put in place... Some kind of mechanism that protects spamming and protects flaming... Something with more success than the current measures we have in place now...
Also THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT and opening this thread is a good thing!!
It needs to stay up and we need to make it into a "brainstorming pool" of ways to make sure devs who do this for free (therefore they do it because they love sharing) are protected...
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
finbaar said:
How to stop stupid questions?
Firstly if devs want to be paid then good for them. Whatever they get it wont be enough. This might leave some users feeling empowered though - they would feel they were owed answers as they had paid "where is my promised bug fix you lazy asshole!". And we don't want that. So how about a testers thread for each ROM were the dev controls who can post and a general thread for each ROM were you have to pay to post ($0.20). It would encourage only real questions after peole have searched.
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You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
goodgood hahahahhahah
stevendeb25 said:
Sorry guys.... As another dev shuts up shop due to users/noobs that don't read opening posts or explain the bugs they having.
Custom roms will soon be a thing of the pass.
I for one knows how much time/effort goes into making a rom. It's no easy task. The amount of flashing/bricking to bring roms to us.
All the roms on xda are free but if this continues then devs may start charging for their roms (maybe not on xda but who knows) Wouldn't blame them really though.
All users need to understand if we don't have devs on Android. Then basically we will end up like iPhone users that are locked down. We should be grateful for all devs that brings us root without it then no custom roms would exist.
Do the Android community wanna end up like iPhone? I doubt it very much.
Respect the devs
Read the first post, search the thread! All answers are there. This excuse "I searched but couldn't find anything" is BS basically.
We will lose them all eventually.
Rant over.
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goodgood verygood
friedrich420 said:
You are so so right about that!!
Thats why i would never want to sell anything here..
Can you imagine what they would do to me???
I mean i get abuse from offering free stuff for so many devices... can you imagine making money for it? People would think im their slave...
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Gasp! I donated $1!!!!! You mean I don't own you????