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i was thinking of unlocking my device and changing the rom.. however, ive permanently bricked this tablet for and had to have it repaired at a high cost, so im cautious.. i believe i fell victim to the having the twrp and resetting via the bootloader problem... how do i avoid this, how do i prevent this from happening again? i cant use nvflash, and is there any way of changing this annoying bootloader?
jason41987 said:
i was thinking of unlocking my device and changing the rom.. however, ive permanently bricked this tablet for and had to have it repaired at a high cost, so im cautious.. i believe i fell victim to the having the twrp and resetting via the bootloader problem... how do i avoid this, how do i prevent this from happening again? i cant use nvflash, and is there any way of changing this annoying bootloader?
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If using the wrong version of custom recovery vs bootloader can brick your device. The best way to approache this is, first upgrade your device to the latest JB .25, then unlock your device, then use fastboot to push your latest twrp recovery (2.3.3.0), then flash custom rom. Pretty much straiht forward without risk.
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If using the wrong version of custom recovery vs bootloader can brick your device. The best way to approache this is, first upgrade your device to the latest JB .25, then unlock your device, then use fastboot to push your latest twrp recovery (2.3.3.0), then flash custom rom. Pretty much straiht forward without risk.
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do i still need twrp installed or do i use fastboot for that?.. also i had to downgrade to 9.4.5.30 to root it first, should i need some kind of root protection before upgrading back to JB?
jason41987 said:
do i still need twrp installed or do i use fastboot for that?.. also i had to downgrade to 9.4.5.30 to root it first, should i need some kind of root protection before upgrading back to JB?
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You don't need to root if you're unlocked because all custom roms are pre-rooted. Maybe this will be clearer;
Let pretend you're on JB, if you are on ICS, just use OTA upgrade to JB.
1. use Asus unlock tool to unlock (the tool will work with ICS or JB and very safe to use)
2. Use fastboot to push TWRPcustom recovery to your device
3. Boot into TWRP to flash custom rom (now have custom rom and rooted).
Done.
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You don't need to root if you're unlocked because all custom roms are pre-rooted. Maybe this will be clearer;
Let pretend you're on JB, if you are on ICS, just use OTA upgrade to JB.
1. use Asus unlock tool to unlock (the tool will work with ICS or JB and very safe to use)
2. Use fastboot to push TWRPcustom recovery to your device
3. Boot into TWRP to flash custom rom (now have custom rom and rooted).
Done.
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what im confused about is using fastboot to push twrpcustom recovery, am i installing twrp in this step using fastboot?
jason41987 said:
what im confused about is using fastboot to push twrpcustom recovery, am i installing twrp in this step using fastboot?
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Yes, "fastboot flash recovery ... " installs a recovery.
I rooted mine when I had ICS and used OTA rootkeeper to OTA to JB to keep root. Unlocked it then used Goomananger (required root) app from the market to install TWRP. I like goomanager as you dont need to hook it up to your pc and was pretty easy. If you're already rooted I would go this route to install custom recovery.
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jason41987 said:
i was thinking of unlocking my device and changing the rom.. however, ive permanently bricked this tablet for and had to have it repaired at a high cost, so im cautious.. i believe i fell victim to the having the twrp and resetting via the bootloader problem... how do i avoid this, how do i prevent this from happening again? i cant use nvflash, and is there any way of changing this annoying bootloader?
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I was just as hesitant as you are. Took the leap yesterday and I am VERY happy I did. CROMI turns this baby into a whole new experience!
Just follow the instructions in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1833212
Read it, follow all the links, read it again and when you feel you really understand the process, follow it step by step.
The whole process turned out to be a breeze - especially compared to the trepidation I had about this
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any recommendations for some good ROMs?
jason41987 said:
any recommendations for some good ROMs?
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Best rom is CleanRom version 3.2.1.
ok.. well it seems i have twrp installed just fine now, used the fastboot method... im going to try cleanrom a bit, and try out the ubuntu LXDE rom as well, ill try cleanrom first
it looks as if everything was successful, and i made it past the stage that caused a brick before, so i would say im in the clear now, tried clean rom, pretty cool you can choose your stock launcher but i really want to experiment with ubuntu on it as well with a mouse and keyboard, see if i can replace my netbook with this
For the Nexus 5, how can I install an OTA update without losing root?
I believe there are different ways to do this, Can some share what works? With or without a custom recovery installed. Thanks.
(For this who haven't heard, an update is rumored for 11/13, FWIW)
pseudoware said:
For the Nexus 5, how can I install an OTA update without losing root?
I believe there are different ways to do this, Can some share what works? With or without a custom recovery installed. Thanks.
(For this who haven't heard, an update is rumored for 11/13, FWIW)
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Check if OTA Rootkeeper https://play.google.com/store/search?q=ota rootkeeper is 4.4 compatible or maybe a similar app. If it isn`t rerooting with CF Auto Root will take 2 minutes bro.
-Edit- enable root survival mode after installing a OTA if you use superSU in the superSU settings menu
.... i'm sorry, but i have to ask why bother with the OTA updates if one has a custom recovery installed? can almost bet money on someone having a flashable image here of the stock ROM within hours of one being released.
elementaldragon said:
.... i'm sorry, but i have to ask why bother with the OTA updates if one has a custom recovery installed? can almost bet money on someone having a flashable image here of the stock ROM within hours of one being released.
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True, but some are still on the stock rom, recovery and kernel and only want root.
pseudoware said:
For the Nexus 5, how can I install an OTA update without losing root?
I believe there are different ways to do this, Can some share what works? With or without a custom recovery installed. Thanks.
(For this who haven't heard, an update is rumored for 11/13, FWIW)
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Who cares when it's so easy to root.
Thanks for the replies. Which N5 sub-forum is the most likely place where someone would post the updated flashable stock image, when available?
pseudoware said:
Thanks for the replies. Which N5 sub-forum is the most likely place where someone would post the updated flashable stock image, when available?
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Chuck this out in the general forum, it's stikied. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46290762
jd1639 said:
Who cares when it's so easy to root.
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But wouldn't one lose their data if they used CF-Auto Root again?
When I did the process, it wiped my phone.
Or is it that once the bootloader is unlocked it never wipes the phone again? Meaning it's just a simple matter of running CF auto root after OTA update and nothing else will be changed?
Still have the doubt
I know this information has to be somewhere in this forum, but I have searched and haven't found it. The question is, if I install an update with TWRP, will I lose root as well? If so, is there a way to get it back without wiping everything?
I think the answer is in what the previous post says, that once the bootloader is unlocked, there is no forced wipe anymore. I'm not sure, though.
Actually, the only thing I want is to be able to update to stock unaltered ROMs without losing root (and without a full wipe, of course), I don't care if I have to flash it manually or if I have to install TWRP or if it's ok with OTAs.
Thanks.
Hi all,
I have searched the web, but haven't found an exact answer to my question.
I have a Nexus 5, currently on 4.4.2 (KOT49H). I am unlocked, rooted + Xposed and have TWRP. I want to update to 4.4.4 preferably OTA, officially. I would like to be able to use OTA updates from now on if possible.
Currently, if I disable Xposed, and use Suvival Mode in SuperSU and try to install the OTA update, TWRP intervenes and doesn't let me.
I would like to replace TWRP with the stock recovery so I can update OTA in the future. I don't want to wipe the phone to achieve this if possible. If this isn't possible, could someone step through how to update to 4.4.4 with TWRP installed — I'm on a mac also.
Flash the stock recovery image in fastboot
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jd1639 said:
Flash the stock recovery image in fastboot
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Where can I find the stock recovery? Is that this: *w*w*w*.developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
providedbike said:
Where can I find the stock recovery? Is that this: *w*w*w*.developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
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Yes, extract the image and then the zip file
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OTA is the least compatible and hardest way to update. Why do you want to use this method? It's the worst option available to you.
rootSU said:
OTA is the least compatible and hardest way to update. Why do you want to use this method? It's the worst option available to you.
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Because it would seem easier for me—AFAIK. Although this didn't work, this workflow sounds appealing to me every time an update comes out:
- Disable Xposed
- Enable Survival Mode in SuperSU
- Install OTA update
- Re-enable Xposed, done.
No USB, no computer, no terminal.
Is there another way to achieve this?
providedbike said:
Because it would seem easier for me—AFAIK. Although this didn't work, this workflow sounds appealing to me every time an update comes out:
- Disable Xposed
- Enable Survival Mode in SuperSU
- Install OTA update
- Re-enable Xposed, done.
No USB, no computer, no terminal.
Is there another way to achieve this?
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Running a rooting rom without a custom recovery is dangerous IMHO.
Without having to lose custom recovery
1) Download latest rooted stock ROM
2) Flash
3) Enable Xposed
rootSU said:
Running a rooting rom without a custom recovery is dangerous IMHO.
Without having to lose custom recovery
1) Download latest rooted stock ROM
2) Flash
3) Enable Xposed
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Does this apply for the stock rom? I'm rooted, but still stock...
providedbike said:
Does this apply for the stock rom? I'm rooted, but still stock...
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Yes, whenever there is a new stock ROM, someone makes a rooted stock flashable zip of it. Also if you make any small changes to system, sometimes like adblocking, OTA will fail but flashable zip of rom will just override all that bs.
latest 4.4.4 rooted stock rom is in a thread which you can find i the resources section of the sticky-roll-up thread. You can get there via my signature.
That way, you can take a nandroid backup so if anything goes wrong after the update, you can do a full restore, where as with OTA you will not be able to with stock recovery.
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Yes, whenever there is a new stock ROM, someone makes a rooted stock flashable zip of it. Also if you make any small changes to system, sometimes like adblocking, OTA will fail but flashable zip of rom will just override all that bs.
latest 4.4.4 rooted stock rom is in a thread which you can find i the resources section of the sticky-roll-up thread. You can get there via my signature.
That way, you can take a nandroid backup so if anything goes wrong after the update, you can do a full restore, where as with OTA you will not be able to with stock recovery.
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Ok great that's very helpful, thanks!
providedbike said:
Ok great that's very helpful, thanks!
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No problem.
I just think that way is easier....I wouldn't want you putting extra work in, if you dont have to. It also gives you more freedom to work with mods in the future too, or kernels etc
rootSU said:
No problem.
I just think that way is easier....I wouldn't want you putting extra work in, if you dont have to. It also gives you more freedom to work with mods in the future too, or kernels etc
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Yep it's all good. For some reason, I had this little fear of the fact it's an official stock rom, that's been "toyed" with. But of course that makes no sense really, considering I'm willing to install many third party apps and processes that could easily alter/mess my phone up.
Do the rooted stock roms get released fairly rapidly after the official one is released?
providedbike said:
Yep it's all good. For some reason, I had this little fear of the fact it's an official stock rom, that's been "toyed" with. But of course that makes no sense really, considering I'm willing to install many third party apps and processes that could easily alter/mess my phone up.
Do the rooted stock roms get released fairly rapidly after the official one is released?
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Yeah. as soon as the factory image is released. Maybe a day or two. Which is before 99% of people even receive the OTA notification
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Yeah. as soon as the factory image is released. Maybe a day or two. Which is before 99% of people even receive the OTA notification
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Perfect, thanks for clearing things up for me.
Just checking, I'll make a backup before I flash, but technically, will all my data still be there if all goes to plan?
providedbike said:
Perfect, thanks for clearing things up for me.
Just checking, I'll make a backup before I flash, but technically, will all my data still be there if all goes to plan?
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Yep. the /data partition is not touched. Just /system and /boot (ROM and Kernel)
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Yep. the /data partition is not touched. Just /system and /boot (ROM and Kernel)
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Great I'll do it tonight
So I have already installed TWRP, and want to install a ROM. My question is, should i root prior to flashing a new ROM in order to run Ti Backup? If so, what root method should I use?
TIA
treams said:
So I have already installed TWRP, and want to install a ROM. My question is, should i root prior to flashing a new ROM in order to run Ti Backup? If so, what root method should I use?
TIA
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You Magisk.
ok so i already loaded magisk 13 on my external sd and when i try to install from zip in twrp it fails. something new to dig into i guess.
The custom ROMS you install will be rooted already. Doesn't matter if you root before install of custom ROM.
treams said:
So I have already installed TWRP, and want to install a ROM. My question is, should i root prior to flashing a new ROM in order to run Ti Backup? If so, what root method should I use?
TIA
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You rooted it when you installed twrp. Installing supersu or magisk gives YOU a way to interact with root.
Beamed in by telepathy.
To ROOT or not to ROOT
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that's not even a question, it's a birth right of the phone,
you are losing out a lot if you don't root your phone.
just Titanium Backup alone is more than enough reason to root a phone.
being able to edit build.prop is another great reason
being able to install adaway is like a must
being able to... customize your phone and do anything you want to it is priceless.
If you've rooted, then you've unlocked the bootloader, so Android Pay won't work unless you use Magisk anyway. Titanium Backup is great, and I use it, but the bottom line is that once you've unlocked the bootloader you basically *have* to root to recover full functionality of the device for those apps that refuse to run otherwise.
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If you've rooted, then you've unlocked the bootloader, so Android Pay won't work unless you use Magisk anyway. Titanium Backup is great, and I use it, but the bottom line is that once you've unlocked the bootloader you basically *have* to root to recover full functionality of the device for those apps that refuse to run otherwise.
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Lol, never really thought of it, but yes, you have to make your device a little more unsecured in order to use secure apps. Kind of a catch 22. Gotta love it.
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Lol, never really thought of it, but yes, you have to make your device a little more unsecured in order to use secure apps. Kind of a catch 22. Gotta love it.
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For sure, especially coming from a company whose motto is "Don't be evil."
hgoldner said:
once you've unlocked the bootloader you basically *have* to root to recover full functionality of the device for those apps that refuse to run otherwise.
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You can run a custom kernel that masks unlocked bootloader status without rooting.
Will be an apple to android convert when my zenfone comes. Been reading around to educate myself but have some questions that could use some insight.
1. Once you unlock the bootloader and root your phone, can you still get monthly/yearly or new android version updates in system updates in settings and update from there? If not, do you have to pretty much reset everything to factory defaults and then update it like that? And root all over again? Or is there any other way?
2. Will the phone be pretty much be "stock" after the factory reset?Working OTA updates and all? (Minus the unlocked bootloader)
3 Which up to date rooting method seems best? There's 2 methods that I can see but I can't tell which one is better.
a) https://forum.xda-developers.com/ze...uide-how-to-root-asus-zenfone-6-twrp-t3940168
b) https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/how-to/simple-guide-to-root-device-twrp-t3956784
4. Is TWRP needed?
Thanks!
midnight3ow said:
Will be an apple to android convert when my zenfone comes. Been reading around to educate myself but have some questions that could use some insight.
1. Once you unlock the bootloader and root your phone, can you still get monthly/yearly or new android version updates in system updates in settings and update from there? If not, do you have to pretty much reset everything to factory defaults and then update it like that? And root all over again? Or is there any other way?
2. Will the phone be pretty much be "stock" after the factory reset?Working OTA updates and all? (Minus the unlocked bootloader)
3 Which up to date rooting method seems best? There's 2 methods that I can see but I can't tell which one is better.
a) https://forum.xda-developers.com/ze...uide-how-to-root-asus-zenfone-6-twrp-t3940168
b) https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone-6-2019/how-to/simple-guide-to-root-device-twrp-t3956784
4. Is TWRP needed?
Thanks!
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1) No, once unlocked, no more OTAS. You can flash the update manually, no wipe needed, but you also need to flash Root and custom recovery again (2 minutes extra, no big deal).
2) Stock, no OTAS
3) They are pretty much the same, but the easiest (and safest) way is just to get a custom recovery and then flash the Magisk Zip
4) For normal method yes, for the ones you posted in 3), no.
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1) No, once unlocked, no more OTAS. You can flash the update manually, no wipe needed, but you also need to flash Root and custom recovery again (2 minutes extra, no big deal).
2) Stock, no OTAS
3) They are pretty much the same, but the easiest (and safest) way is just to get a custom recovery and then flash the Magisk Zip
4) For normal method yes, for the ones you posted in 3), no.
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Thank you for your reply, but I need some clarification on a couple things.
1. I suppose I'll figure out once I get the phone but I'm anxious and don't know when the phone will arrive but how do you flash the update manually? I understand having to flashing root again but what do you mean flashing custom recovery again?
2. Where do you get a hold of the update for the phone? Is updating manually pretty much the same as resetting your phone to factory settings?
3. I can't seem to find the method you mention that is the easiest and safest way to root. Could you kindly lead me to that guide??
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Thank you for your reply, but I need some clarification on a couple things.
1. I suppose I'll figure out once I get the phone but I'm anxious and don't know when the phone will arrive but how do you flash the update manually? I understand having to flashing root again but what do you mean flashing custom recovery again?
2. Where do you get a hold of the update for the phone? Is updating manually pretty much the same as resetting your phone to factory settings?
3. I can't seem to find the method you mention that is the easiest and safest way to root. Could you kindly lead me to that guide??
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1) To flash manually you download the firmware from the Asus site, and use a recovery (stock or custom) to flash it. If you want root, you need a custom recovery to flash it, as stock recovery only flashes Asus Firmware. Whenever you flash a stock firmware, it "overwrites" the custom recovery with the stock recovery, so if you want/need a custom recovery, you need to flash it again. The same with root, stock flashed boot partition again, so you need to flash Magisk zip again so it can make the patch to boot to make root work.
2) I personally don't update that much, but you can check every once in a while https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-6-ZS630KL/HelpDesk_Download/
You can update without factory reset, just flash the new firmware (+root if needed) and you are done, it is just like an OTA but done by yourself.
3) Follow this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ze...covery-unofficial-twrp-recovery-asus-t3937844
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1) To flash manually you download the firmware from the Asus site, and use a recovery (stock or custom) to flash it. If you want root, you need a custom recovery to flash it, as stock recovery only flashes Asus Firmware. Whenever you flash a stock firmware, it "overwrites" the custom recovery with the stock recovery, so if you want/need a custom recovery, you need to flash it again. The same with root, stock flashed boot partition again, so you need to flash Magisk zip again so it can make the patch to boot to make root work.
2) I personally don't update that much, but you can check every once in a while https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-6-ZS630KL/HelpDesk_Download/
You can update without factory reset, just flash the new firmware (+root if needed) and you are done, it is just like an OTA but done by yourself.
3) Follow this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ze...covery-unofficial-twrp-recovery-asus-t3937844
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I'm grateful for all your thoughtful and clear responses.
When do you normally decide to update?
Do you lose any data from updating security update/firmware or rooting and installing custom recovery?
Also, I've been looking through that link you posted, and also seen another thread about another newer "official" TWRP version? What's the difference?Which one should I use?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ze...nt/tool-utility-twrp-3-3-1-0-teamwin-t3963876
midnight3ow said:
Will be an apple to android convert when my zenfone comes.
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So ZF6 will be your first Android phone ever?
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So ZF6 will be your first Android phone ever?
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Yes it will be! Excited and anxious at the same time.
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Yes it will be! Excited and anxious at the same time.
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Then please do yourself a favor and forgot about unlocking the bootloader and rooting your new phone.
Just learn how to use nearly stock Android with lightweight Android skin in its user-friendly and widely configurable form called ZenUI.
Trust me, there is no need for tinkering with root as an Android newbie when using ZF6.
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Then please do yourself a favor and forgot about unlocking the bootloader and rooting your new phone.
Just learn how to use nearly stock Android with lightweight Android skin in its user-friendly and widely configurable form called ZenUI.
Trust me, there is no need for tinkering with root as an Android newbie when using ZF6.
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I agree with this, unless you want to achieve something specific that can only be done rooted, stay completely stock.
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unless you want to achieve something specific that can only be done rooted
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But this hypothetical condition is impossible because Android newbie cannot even achieve basic Android tasks which doesn't require root at all so why complicate his upcoming long journey of gaining experience and knowledge yet by the rooting his device from the very beginning?