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Woo Hoo

look at this link. we can now root without fear of retribution
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/26/technology/iphone_jailbreaking/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin

This is definitely a great step but will it void the warranty?
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madjsp said:
This is definitely a great step but will it void the warranty?
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Yes it will still void the warranty...

Was it illegal to modify your own personal property before?? That doesn't seem right... I know some of the reasons people did weren't right. (ie. downloading paid apps for free, etc)
But this doesn't stop the companies from it voiding warranties because you're modifying what they know won't mess up. (or "shouldn't" I should say...)

I have a feeling since the government updated the fair use policy (whatever it was called) to say you can legally jailbreak the iphone and not void your warranty then the same will wapply for android phones, just threaten them. You may have to be the first guy who takes them to court though,

As far as I know, the action of rooting your phone would have to be the cause of it breaking for Samsung to be able to legally void your warranty. Granted, they would obviously try to strong arm you into giving up your claim if you tried to get service on a device which you left your rooted ROM on, and you would be an idiot to not flash it back first, but if you have rooted your phone, and it was fully functional, and then something completely unrelated happened, like the WiFi chip burning out and it having nothing to do with your mods, then Samsung would have to fix it. US warranty law protects consumers who make alterations to their purchases as long as they do not cause damage or improper functioning which is contributory to failure. This is why you can modify the exhaust on that brand new Beamer or toss a new video card into your computer and still have both taken care of under warranty.

Alert: Rooting to become illegal activity.

Don't know what happened... but my alert was put into Q&A even though it's not a question.
Sorry, for the cross-posting... but this issue is very important to all of us who care about rooting/modifying our devices. We may soon lose the legal exemption to do that.
UPDATE: I see that xda-dev has an article in its main portal page...

Bumping this until Feb. 10...
when no one will be able to affect the situation...

TRIED the website but it must be having some issues. Thanks Geek for the heads up. What a freakin joke. Utter and total BS. Imagine if the government tried to tell people that they couldn't modify there car? I'll try to find a better link to the petition.

Before everyone gets hyped:
It's a little bit complicated. First off, the Federal Government (namely a member of Congress) would have to care enough to push for a law to be passed. Another thing that could happen is that there could be an Agency regulation that specifically prohibits rooting. However for that to happen, they have to authority to be able to enforce it.
As long as you are not reverse engineering, you are not breaking any U.S. law. This exemption that is expiring only clarified a defense to a law that does not exist, meaning that we specifically stated that rooting was not a crime, while there was no law stating that modification was a crime. It is a very vague, legal gray area. It's a lot like gun laws- things are not settled until they are tried in court.
So hopefully it gets renewed.

finch8423 said:
Before everyone gets hyped:
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Too late. Getting hyped is a prerequisite for being a member of xda-dev.
finch8423 said:
It's a little bit complicated. First off, the Federal Government (namely a member of Congress) would have to care enough to push for a law to be passed. Another thing that could happen is that there could be an Agency regulation that specifically prohibits rooting. However for that to happen, they have to authority to be able to enforce it.
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I agree that it is complicated. But, according to EFF: Some device manufacturers claim that jailbreaking violates Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which carries stiff penalties.​there is already such a law. Granted, there has not been a court case, yet, testing that law. But it is on the books.
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As long as you are not reverse engineering, you are not breaking any U.S. law. This exemption that is expiring only clarified a defense to a law that does not exist, meaning that we specifically stated that rooting was not a crime, while there was no law stating that modification was a crime. It is a very vague, legal gray area. It's a lot like gun laws- things are not settled until they are tried in court.
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Well, you may wish to read, specifically, about Section 1201 of the DMCA. It is false comfort to think that a law does not exist... it does exist. The wikipedia article on the DMCA has a good discussion. If you are more of a legal geek, then the government provides congressional report 105-796 and a summary on the internet. For information on how institutions of learning can be affected, EDUCAUSE addresses the issue on its site.
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The whole point of creating this thread. To help ensure that it is renewed.

A bull****, nothing more. It is my property and I do with it what I want. They can only affect my warrenty. They can only do something if its a carrier branded and you don't buy for full price . Then device is still a carrier property
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This country is already broke (not only financially, but also morally -- but that's an entirely different discussion), how will they go about actually enforcing this law? I know that phone companies can gather a lot of information about your phone remotely, but can they tell whether your phone is rooted or not?

I'm not trying to be pompous, so I apologize if I came off like that. I completely agree with you.
They can claim all they want. It's important for everyone to know that if it comes to that, there is no specific law addressing this, only claims under the DMCA.
In my legal opinion, root privileges can hardly be misconstrued as copyright infringement. It's mainly Macintosh that is pushing this though- they claim that jailbreaking is illegal because of the close-source nature of their products (It's also ironic to note that many of the working conditions of their factories would be considered illegal in every country that they sell their products in).

Well macintosh and... recently, ASUS, right? and one other... last summer, but I can't recall who right now.
Let's just say... for sake of argument that carriers sign agreements with manufacturerers (when, in fact, they're different companies)... that require them to deny service to "rooted" devices based on the law... or maybe not the law... but their collective interpretation of the law...

Honestly...
Ndaa, sopa, pipa... Now this???
Dammit my m4 is getting put to use soon isn't it??
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^ add ACTA to that list.
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You do realize that google gave us source, and samsung gave us source, and they both stated that "THIS CAN BE USED FOR "ENRICHMENT" OF YOUR PHONE" google android is 100% free. Even if it expired, it wouldn't effect us. Whoever the fool that initially stated that rooting will go away is false.

As ACTA is *****. My country accepted it, **** them
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gefilus said:
As ACTA is *****. My country accepted it, **** them
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Damn... is your town as beautiful in person as it looks in pictures? I had to look it up to see where the hell you lived

Watch profile and will see where I live
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airfluip1 said:
You do realize that google gave us source, and samsung gave us source, and they both stated that "THIS CAN BE USED FOR "ENRICHMENT" OF YOUR PHONE" google android is 100% free. Even if it expired, it wouldn't effect us. Whoever the fool that initially stated that rooting will go away is false.
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Are you suggesting that EFF doesn't know what the hell they are talking about?
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Maybe. Just ask Google.
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We might not be talking apples to apples...
I know apple has fought their phones being jail broken. But isn't it the carriers who really have the problem with it? They want to make you buy their network specific phone from them?

They can only put this law if there is one only on devices which are carrier branded. On unlocked or unbramded devices they can't do the ****. It is in my proparty and take you hand of from it, I can do with my device what I want
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lumin30 said:
Damn... is your town as beautiful in person as it looks in pictures? I had to look it up to see where the hell you lived
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Mostly and almost the same like in pictures. And ye waterfall is or mark
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Who is spying on me?

Does anyone know how to see if someone is spying on my internet usage on my phone? I'm using wimax and 3g
I just want to see if the government is spying
Maybe this is a delicate topic
But pretty interesting
I would love an app for that.

Hahahahahaha.
Wait, you're being serious?

Product F(RED) said:
Hahahahahaha.
Wait, you're being serious?
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Quote for emphasis.

seems to me someone has been watching to many sci-fi thrillers.

Jesushaxyou said:
Quote for emphasis.
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Quote because your username possibly answers the question.

Product F(RED) said:
Quote because your username possibly answers the question.
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Hahahahaha. Quote for FTW post.

detroit2hi said:
Does anyone know how to see if someone is spying on my internet usage on my phone? I'm using wimax and 3g
I just want to see if the government is spying
Maybe this is a delicate topic
But pretty interesting
I would love an app for that.
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No because if any spying was done it would be done after the data left your phone and therefore undetectable.
The usa and uk do have an agreement whereby each can monitor the others private citizens (yes it is real and has been discussed in the uk houses of parliament. Its called echelon and is a matter of public record in uk) but its highly doubtful you would be spyed on for no reason and not really something you could know if it did happen so not worth worrying over.
Dave
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mistermentality said:
No because if any spying was done it would be done after the data left your phone and therefore undetectable.
The usa and uk do have an agreement whereby each can monitor the others private citizens (yes it is real and has been discussed in the uk houses of parliament. Its called echelon and is a matter of public record in uk) but its highly doubtful you would be spyed on for no reason and not really something you could know if it did happen so not worth worrying over.
Dave
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I'm in japan and they take **** really serious here. Bittorrents and all that stuff.
You kids might laugh but this ****s serious.
Seems soon many times when I'm downloading the police park outside my building. Its not just this time.
For you that laughed I guess you never heard of "acta" or "sopa" these things are serious and not to be laughed at
But your ignorance is what makes you you I guess and makes them so so much money
The ones that they Sue for millions of $$$
I have my protection up
But these police keep parking out my building everytime I test the system.
I want to see what they see.
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I laugh because the way you worded it made it sound like some action movie ****.
I don't live in a box, I know what SOPA and ACTA are. Well, ACTA now. But how about, if they take that **** so seriously, you stop doing what they don't want you to do if you're afraid of the consequences.
It's like you're afraid of jail but you still have no problem robbing a store.
So chill with the illegal stuff and you won't have to worry about the police outside.

Jesushaxyou said:
I laugh because the way you worded it made it sound like some action movie ****.
I don't live in a box, I know what SOPA and ACTA are. Well, ACTA now. But how about, if they take that **** so seriously, you stop doing what they don't want you to do if you're afraid of the consequences.
It's like you're afraid of jail but you still have no problem robbing a store.
So chill with the illegal stuff and you won't have to worry about the police outside.
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Because the internet is free and should always be. Im just asking. Why do you have to be a web police??
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I once found an app that detects all wifi enabled devices that are using wifi or Mobile data connections. It was gone so fast I couldn't get it.
It used a live map to detect the location
I feel I'm touching a subject that's too sensitive.

Hahaha lol...
You being serious or not.. Still funny

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Hahaha lol...
You being serious or not.. Still funny
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You are obvious drunk
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I'm not being the internet police. I'm stating the obvious. Don't do illegal **** and you won't have to be all paranoid.
The internet isn't really free. You pay your monthly bill for it or whatever, but the content within the internet is free unless, of course, you're downloading repackaged programs that actually retail for real money in which case you should buy the stupid program or music.
Not saying that I'm not guilty of pirating either, but don't complain about consequences for your actions when you knew them before you even did it.

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Can I just marry you?

Flashing (cloning) phones..illegal or not

Some people think It's illegal, while others, like myself, believe It's not.....a lot of people seem to confuse flashing a phone with actually stealing something...certainly talking about it isn't illegal...and I'll say it again (XDA), TALKING ABOUT IT ISN'T ILLEGAL..if flashing a phone is illegal, then so isn't rooting a phone, and installing a custom ROM..and if that's the case, then most of the subjects on this forum are talking about doing illegal things...if someone out there has any proof cloning a phone is illegal, then let's see it
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Yes! It's illegal to change the exaust system on your car with another either
I don't know how is it in the USA but i didn't heard anything here in the old republic

chaki- said:
Yes! It's illegal to change the exaust system on your car with another either
I don't know how is it in the USA but i didn't heard anything here in the old republic
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I think ur spell check might of changed a few words on u and to me some of what u said made no sense ...sorry
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Cloning is obviously illegal... Unless you're cloning your own phone... Which wouldn't make much sense... Just saying if you clone somone else's phone and incur charges, YOU ARE STEALING, that been illegal since the mid to late 90's (at least in Illinois)

I bought my EVO outright from sprint when I had sprint...I bought my incognito outright from Boost...I pay boost mobile monthly for service, and even though I flashed my EVO myself, I still only get what i pay for, regardless of which phone I use....It's the same for any phone on any carrier...It's not a cable tv descrambler, in which u get more than what ur supposed to get, which is stealing, but a cell phone provider will only give u what u pay for, regardless of phone.....how is that stealing
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Clearly he said "UNLESS YOU ARE CLONING YOUR OWN PHONE." It is illegal when you clone another person's device in order to use their minutes or data as though it were your own.

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Clearly he said "UNLESS YOU ARE CLONING YOUR OWN PHONE." It is illegal when you clone another person's device in order to use their minutes or data as though it were your own.
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Not clearly cause that's not how he worded it....he said "incur charges", meaning of I cloned someone's phone and they incur charges because of something I did then that's illegal....he did not say if i cloned someone's phone to use there service as my own is illegal
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Ewe knew what he meant. Now play along or be turned into a newt.

mkelsho said:
Some people think It's illegal, while others, like myself, believe It's not.....a lot of people seem to confuse flashing a phone with actually stealing something...certainly talking about it isn't illegal...and I'll say it again (XDA), TALKING ABOUT IT ISN'T ILLEGAL..if flashing a phone is illegal, then so isn't rooting a phone, and installing a custom ROM..and if that's the case, then most of the subjects on this forum are talking about doing illegal things...if someone out there has any proof cloning a phone is illegal, then let's see it
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http://www.fcc.gov/guides/cell-phone-fraud
Wireless Telephone Protection Act of 1998
And no, talking about it is not illegal. Neither is talking about how to rape someone. But that rightly is not allowed here either.

Oh God, this thread again...
inb4 "if you have nothing to add, don't post", you should seriously use the search button before duplicating a thread on the same topic.

Rooting isn't illegal for the record OP.

As shown cloning phones is illegal and talks about doing it are not allowed on xDA. Only warning. Thread closed

[Q] Network unlocking is now legal ?

Hello i came across this article :
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lifehacker.com/you-can-now-legally-unlock-your-cellphone-heres-what-i-
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sorry i'm not allowed to put external links yet but this is the only way, just put it all together without spaces
and it says that now network unlocking a phone is LEGAL
for some reason it was illegal before and i made a topic asking for help to unlock SE X8 on this forum and it was deleted because its against xda rules, which in this case xda is against "illegal" things
So can anyone confirm this information and tell me if its actually legal now or it still isn't ?
thanks

wanthelp said:
Hello i came across this article :
h t t p : / /
lifehacker.com/you-can-now-legally-unlock-your-cellphone-heres-what-i-
1614787933
sorry i'm not allowed to put external links yet but this is the only way, just put it all together without spaces
and it says that now network unlocking a phone is LEGAL
for some reason it was illegal before and i made a topic asking for help to unlock SE X8 on this forum and it was deleted because its against xda rules, which in this case xda is against "illegal" things
So can anyone confirm this information and tell me if its actually legal now or it still isn't ?
thanks
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President Obama signed it into law. In 2012 it was made illegal because they didn't renew an exemption in the DMCA, basically saying that unlocking a phone was a violation of copyright owned by the carrier that implemented the code to make it locked to their network. While the exemption was in effect, the law said basically "cell phone unlocking doesn't count" as breaking digital media copyright.
Of course, your phone still has to be compatible on the network you plan on bringing it to.

Planterz said:
President Obama signed it into law. In 2012 it was made illegal because they didn't renew an exemption in the DMCA, basically saying that unlocking a phone was a violation of copyright owned by the carrier that implemented the code to make it locked to their network. While the exemption was in effect, the law said basically "cell phone unlocking doesn't count" as breaking digital media copyright.
Of course, your phone still has to be compatible on the network you plan on bringing it to.
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so network unlocking is legal or not ?

wanthelp said:
so network unlocking is legal or not ?
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President Obama signed it into law. What do you think that means? That flaming hot Cheetos are pink elephants' favorite food? That Iron Maiden is releasing a country album? That Michael Bay is the greatest filmmaker of all time?
Yes, it's now legal!

Planterz said:
President Obama signed it into law. What do you think that means? That flaming hot Cheetos are pink elephants' favorite food? That Iron Maiden is releasing a country album? That Michael Bay is the greatest filmmaker of all time?
Yes, it's now legal!
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well the fact that it's now legal i knew already
i asked for the confirmation rather that topic was truthful or not
i can myself create a forum or site and say many things even know their not true
so basically now that its legal i can post here on xda asking for help to network unlock my phones ?

Reply directly
man why don't u just tell that u have a locked phone n u want to unlock it.
give your device name, model, country, android version.

[email protected] D€\/¡! said:
man why don't u just tell that u have a locked phone n u want to unlock it.
give your device name, model, country, android version.
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i created 2 topics saying i spent all day searching how to network unlock my SE w595i and SE XPERIA X8 and didn't found anything for free
and those topics were deleted cuz network unlocking for some reason is illegal
now its not how do i unlock them ?

so nobody can help me with network unlocking my sony's ?