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Could someone please see how much the HD display hinders performance of the tablet vs the Prime?
For example... are the transitions and scrolling just as good, do games run just as fast, are apps overall just as snappy?
Because this is probably my biggest concern with the Infinity, that the HD display will cause its overall performance to suffer.
Also does anyone know if capacitive stylus's work any better with the Infinity?
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I've had a brief play-through with the Prime, and I can't really say the Infinity is less snappy. I do believe I see more 'hiccups' when storage is accessed, like when you install something from the Play Store and try to do something else concurrently. It can take anything from a brief hiccup to some several seconds long. ; ) And I've had Aldiko crash my Infinity twice in a row by opening a pdf file; possibly, I/O or something else, as I must admit I don't know how the Prime would have handled that one, but it is an observation.
Scrolling is fine, nothing noticeably slower or less snappy. I haven't played heavier games for ages, so I can't really comment on that. Neither do I use styli, so I can't help you out on that one either, sorry.
I've only had a few hours yesterday toying around with mine. However, here are my initial thoughts:
Screen is great, and although a bit morror-ish when displaying larger dark areas such as night scenes in movies, I find it less reflective than I feared from reviews.
No flex, give or bleed when pushing the screen, although I'm not pushing excessively as some people in this forum seem to do.
A bit sluggish when multitasking (ie installing apps or syncing Spotify while surfing at the same time) and I seem to get the "XXX stopped responding, would you like to close or wait?" message a lot. I'm guessing this is related to the IO issue as discussed in the Infinity thread.
I'm using Nova for the launch screen, and all is running very smooth. No jagged home screen transitions of any kind.
The tablet turns quite hot while gaming at at max performance with IPS+ turned on, resulting in sweaty palms.
As mentioned by most others the speaker grill placement is puzzling at best. Placing both right/left speakers on one side totally ruins the audio balance, reducing the device to mono audio output. Headset is an absolute must imo.
There's really only one thing that bugs me, and that is sporadic lack of screen precision. It doesn't always register my taps, and it seems to confuse slides/scrolls with taps. Ie, when scrolling a list of apps it may suddenly interpret the release (lifting my finger) as a tap and open the app that I happened to point at when releasing. My Galaxy Note is also running ICS 4.0.3, and the tap-scroll-release issue is not a problem there, so I don't think it's my fingers being too "non-conductive" or the OS version. Still, it doesn't happen too often, and with a bit of determination when scrolling it's all good. No where near a deal breaker.
As I said, I have only had a short time with this tablet, but so far the Infinity seem to be everything I had hoped for in a tablet!
Its just as snappy but, when I play dead trigger the controls lag on highest setting, and If I put it on high the controls are still laggy, the framerate is decent but when I play on my nexus the control are much snappier, but the frame rate is about the the same , I don't know how the prime runs it, but I know that dead trigger is optimized for 1920x1200, .... shadow gun thd does run better than on the prime
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terjeofnorway said:
I've only had a few hours yesterday toying around with mine. However, here are my initial thoughts:
Screen is great, and although a bit morror-ish when displaying larger dark areas such as night scenes in movies, I find it less reflective than I feared from reviews.
No flex, give or bleed when pushing the screen, although I'm not pushing excessively as some people in this forum seem to do.
A bit sluggish when multitasking (ie installing apps or syncing Spotify while surfing at the same time) and I seem to get the "XXX stopped responding, would you like to close or wait?" message a lot. I'm guessing this is related to the IO issue as discussed in the Infinity thread.
I'm using Nova for the launch screen, and all is running very smooth. No jagged home screen transitions of any kind.
The tablet turns quite hot while gaming at at max performance with IPS+ turned on, resulting in sweaty palms.
As mentioned by most others the speaker grill placement is puzzling at best. Placing both right/left speakers on one side totally ruins the audio balance, reducing the device to mono audio output. Headset is an absolute must imo.
There's really only one thing that bugs me, and that is sporadic lack of screen precision. It doesn't always register my taps, and it seems to confuse slides/scrolls with taps. Ie, when scrolling a list of apps it may suddenly interpret the release (lifting my finger) as a tap and open the app that I happened to point at when releasing. My Galaxy Note is also running ICS 4.0.3, and the tap-scroll-release issue is not a problem there, so I don't think it's my fingers being too "non-conductive" or the OS version. Still, it doesn't happen too often, and with a bit of determination when scrolling it's all good. No where near a deal breaker.
As I said, I have only had a short time with this tablet, but so far the Infinity seem to be everything I had hoped for in a tablet!
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Indeed, the one major issue I encounter is the sometimes abysmal I/O throughput, resulting in lag (and, when transferring large files to (Micro)SD, the device hangs completely for a few seconds every 70 MB or so). I am a PC gamer, and do not currently use the Infinity to game on, but I have actually bought Dead Trigger and ShadowGun just ti try them out. When I have a bit more time, I'll give them a whirl. The TF does not run hot for me with high screen brightness when watching movies or documentaries and the likes, so it would be an issue with the Tegra3 running hot when actively rendering.
The scrolling here is fine, but it does miss a tap every now and then -- I'm under the impression that it has to do with the I/O issue mentioned above, however, and that it does not have anything to do with the screen itself (The Gorilla Glass version used here (v2) is thinner than the previous iteration, so the sensitivity should be better than with, say, the Prime, if anything.) But, obviously, that is just my feeling.
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Its just as snappy but, when I play dead trigger the controls lag on highest setting, and If I put it on high the controls are still laggy, the framerate is decent but when I play on my nexus the control are much snappier, but the frame rate is about the the same , I don't know how the prime runs it, but I know that dead trigger is optimized for 1920x1200, .... shadow gun thd does run better than on the prime
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Oh good, the sets my worries of the high density screen negatively impacting the performance of the tablet to rest.
Its kinda sad to hear that the sensitivity has not improved much though... perhaps asus "or ROM chiefs" will be able to improve it in updates.
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What I'm getting is that most of these issues seem software related. So a quick bug fix when everyone is reporting these issues to Asus and we'll be on our merry way. But otherwise, this sounds like a great device....I don't plan on doing a lot of gaming on it, but I'll try out some Shadowgun or something...I'll probably just end up plugging in an Xbox controller if I want to play anything...I still don't enjoy playing games with a touchscreen. And playing some old N64 games will be awesome on this beast. Anyone tried playing emulators with an IME for Xbox, PS3, or Wii controllers yet? That's a good way to see performance...see if it can run Super Smash Bros well lol.
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I also noticed the lags when you install apps or copy files to the infinity. not even my old galaxy tab had those issues. and that was a single core!
the overall performance is not good and I don't feel the 4 cores at any point.
I also noticed, that asus uses a 2.xxx kernel with ICS instead of a current 3.xxx kernel.
I sent a mail to asus customer service and I encourage you to do the same so that this issue gets fixed asap.
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What I'm getting is that most of these issues seem software related. So a quick bug fix when everyone is reporting these issues to Asus and we'll be on our merry way. But otherwise, this sounds like a great device....I don't plan on doing a lot of gaming on it, but I'll try out some Shadowgun or something...I'll probably just end up plugging in an Xbox controller if I want to play anything...I still don't enjoy playing games with a touchscreen. And playing some old N64 games will be awesome on this beast. Anyone tried playing emulators with an IME for Xbox, PS3, or Wii controllers yet? That's a good way to see performance...see if it can run Super Smash Bros well lol.
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Thats exactly what I probably will be doing to. XD
I mean all I used to do with my ipad was web surfing, check email, slight doodling, and light gaming. But I despise using a touch screen to game, especially if the game requires the use of a virtual analog stick.
From what I can tell the controller support is pretty good, just about any usb xbox or ps3 controller will work with most apps. Plus with android I get emulators out of the box.
Benchmarks aside, cause I know people here put it through the ringer...
What is the everyday use of this thing like performance wise, such as surfing, moving between screens and apps, etc.
Works like a charm. Been using it every day for 2 weeks. Sometimes you get some short lags from the io problem, but for my use I seldom notice it.
A lot of reading. RSS, Pocket, Ebooks, XDA.
Watching some films while travelling or on Sunday morning in the bed.
Some writing.
I hardly ever play games on any of my mobile devices.
All the above works very well for me except Google Currents which lags like hell in landscape mode.
I am awaiting for mine. I have a Sony Tablet S to hold me over. I literally beat it up. I'm on it around the clock at work and home, into the wee hours of the night. Can't wait to battle test my Infinity the same way.
I've had the Sony for 2 months and logged almost 800 hours..
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Works like a charm. Been using it every day for 2 weeks. Sometimes you get some short lags from the io problem, but for my use I seldom notice it.
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I upgraded from the TF101 and so far, this blows it away (which is what I would expect). I haven't had any significant lag or freezes, everything seems to run very smoothly. Browsing is definately a significant improvement. I would get a number of lags browsing sites like Facebook from my TF101, this scrolls through it like butter.
My only complaint would be that some apps are not ready for primetime with the new 1920x1200 resolution. Some apps, like IMBD work just fine, but the font size is very small. Not a huge problem right now, but I suspect these apps will need to be adjusted over time. Thumb Keyboard also had very small fonts on the keyboard itself, but that was adjustable at least.
Some other apps are more problematic....for example, I fell in love with Go Launcher HD for Tablets on my TF101. Works fine on the TF700, however some of the widgets/icons overlapp the controls at the top of the screen. I couldn't find a combination of grids-size that would work for me, so I went back to the stock launch for now.
I suspect all these things will get worked by the app developers as these higher resolution displays take off....
-Chris
Guys, thanks so much, I appreciate it.
This is what I was looking for.
Every android tab has pro's and con's.
I am aware of the I/O issue, but as my coworker said to me this morning when discussing it "how many times will you be copying files to it or downloading?"
Although the tablet should work out of the box for the money, this still seems like it will be what I am looking for just to browse, listen to music, GPS, etc.
Thanks
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I am aware of the I/O issue, but as my coworker said to me this morning when discussing it "how many times will you be copying files to it or downloading?"
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That's my opinion too.
You pay a lot of money so you can expect ASUS to fix it and rumor has they are on it.
But although I'm not that of an ASUS fand I think the buzz is a bit too much overreacting.
lardo5150 said:
Guys, thanks so much, I appreciate it.
This is what I was looking for.
Every android tab has pro's and con's.
I am aware of the I/O issue, but as my coworker said to me this morning when discussing it "how many times will you be copying files to it or downloading?"
Although the tablet should work out of the box for the money, this still seems like it will be what I am looking for just to browse, listen to music, GPS, etc.
Thanks
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Without using one extensively, I'd have to say I agree with that line of thought. Every time I've seen a prime or TF300 display model, I've tried to force it into giving me an ANR in the browser. Every time I've been unsuccessful.
I'm looking for something I can browse the web with, handle email, and create/edit office documents. I admit I'm going to be harder on it than most since I'm setting up a debian chroot on it for libreoffice, but even then I have a hard time seeing the low IO benchmarking being a big issue.
There's a thread in the Prime section asking about how satisfied people are with their tablet, and while the posts themselves are very vocally negative, the poll results show an 80% complete satisfaction rate. I think that speaks for itself.
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Without using one extensively, I'd have to say I agree with that line of thought. Every time I've seen a prime or TF300 display model, I've tried to force it into giving me an ANR in the browser. Every time I've been unsuccessful.
I'm looking for something I can browse the web with, handle email, and create/edit office documents. I admit I'm going to be harder on it than most since I'm setting up a debian chroot on it for libreoffice, but even then I have a hard time seeing the low IO benchmarking being a big issue.
There's a thread in the Prime section asking about how satisfied people are with their tablet, and while the posts themselves are very vocally negative, the poll results show an 80% complete satisfaction rate. I think that speaks for itself.
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The people enjoying the tablet are too busy actually using it and getting on with their lives instead of spending their life complaining about it on the forums. I'm sure for 90% of people, this tablet is fine in it's current state, and the other 10% will get an update to fix issues.
As I said in other posts, not only one or two but pretty much all the major sites list Transformer Infinity as the best Android Tablet. General consensus of losing a point on reviews seem to be the complain of android ecosystem not having dedicated tablet apps. So yeah I am sure the I/O issue is real and would certainly be nice to have it fixed. But if it is truly a problem for majority people for their daily use, you would think it won't be rated as the best tablet.
Having said that mine is waiting at home. So I'll know how it functions. I don't play games on it, but I do push the device to certain extreme for what I do such as opening massively large EPUB, PDF files. So let you all know my experience.
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The people enjoying the tablet are too busy actually using it and getting on with their lives instead of spending their life complaining about it on the forums. I'm sure for 90% of people, this tablet is fine in it's current state, and the other 10% will get an update to fix issues.
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I've had the same experience. When I've used the display models (as an attempt to check out the tf700), I see stuttering only on crazy long/big websites, but no ANRs from i/o.
My hope is this hardware will help with some of that. I get it tomorrow, can't wait!
- Chilly
HoushaSen said:
Having said that mine is waiting at home. So I'll know how it functions. I don't play games on it, but I do push the device to certain extreme for what I do such as opening massively large EPUB, PDF files. So let you all know my experience.
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Please report back, cause I will be doing the same with PDF's for Microsoft books.
HoushaSen said:
As I said in other posts, not only one or two but pretty much all the major sites list Transformer Infinity as the best Android Tablet. General consensus of losing a point on reviews seem to be the complain of android ecosystem not having dedicated tablet apps. So yeah I am sure the I/O issue is real and would certainly be nice to have it fixed. But if it is truly a problem for majority people for their daily use, you would think it won't be rated as the best tablet.
Having said that mine is waiting at home. So I'll know how it functions. I don't play games on it, but I do push the device to certain extreme for what I do such as opening massively large EPUB, PDF files. So let you all know my experience.
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I can already tell you that high res pdfs are rendering quite slow.
Epubs with a lot of text are no problem.
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Nebucatnetzer said:
I can already tell you that high res pdfs are rendering quite slow.
Epubs with a lot of text are no problem.
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What is causing the rendering? Is it cause of the high resolution and the T3?
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I can already tell you that high res pdfs are rendering quite slow.
Epubs with a lot of text are no problem.
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I had the same problem with my TF300T but using adobe's official adobe reader app fixed it quite a bit (still a slight lag). Overall performance was about equal between my TF300T and Ipad 2 (goodreader) in terms of reading PDF's. I imagine, the TF700 might be a bit slower because of the higher res. Optimization should fix it though. 4 cores are meant for rendering.
I don't know what the problem is.
However it's not fast but still a lot better then on the TF101 which couldn't handle that PDF at all.
It feels like it's especially slow when there are many or one big picture on the page. The PDF ist 76 MB though so I don't know if it's fair to use it on a tablet.
I won't be able to test until later but I know different app are totally different. One that I found the fastest were mantano and ezPDF. As for ePub, iBook did good job except initial loading took a bit of time whereas mantano flew as long as I turned off TOC page assignment. So I am hoping this is now faster with quad core comparing to my old galaxy 10.1 dual core
I can't remember the name for the pdf app because I just bought it recently. It's IMO faster the ezPDF.
Edit: It's RepliGo PDF Reader.
For ePUB I'm using Aldiko which works pretty well especially together with Aldiko Sync.
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I'm using RepliGo for 150+MB pdfs with scanned pages every day and it's been doing really fine so far, especially compared to the competition (I'd say iAnnotate comes second). I'm opening these files both from internal storage and microSD. And I just love reading from Infinity's screen.
d14b0ll0s said:
I'm using RepliGo for 150+MB pdfs with scanned pages every day and it's been doing really fine so far, especially compared to the competition (I'd say iAnnotate comes second). I'm opening these files both from internal storage and microSD. And I just love reading from Infinity's screen.
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Does it load fast for you? I often experience a bit of a pause until everything is sharp. It prevents it a bit from being a fluid reading experience for me.
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Just returned the Surface.
Lag opening apps. This is from a complete new Surface that has been restored and no apps launched yet.
Slow network. Way way slow. This is on a very good connection at home. Other mobile devices have no where the amount of lag. This is using IE in RT. I suspect this is IE rendering issues
Very sluggish performance overall. This is with the latest first party apps updated. Wether takes around 30 seconds to load. Mail takes about 30-60 seconds to load with one account, gmail.
While I think MS might have something here. I suspect or hope there running a newer build then what was released As this should have not been let out. It's just not fast enough to just pickup and start using since I am used to better performance, from Android, Apple.
Software can be fixed. Hardware is the real story. The hardware on the surface is really good. I think these little things can be fixed...
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mattalter said:
Just returned the Surface.
Lag opening apps. This is from a complete new Surface that has been restored and no apps launched yet.
Slow network. Way way slow. This is on a very good connection at home. Other mobile devices have no where the amount of lag. This is using IE in RT. I suspect this is IE rendering issues
Very sluggish performance overall. This is with the latest first party apps updated. Wether takes around 30 seconds to load. Mail takes about 30-60 seconds to load with one account, gmail.
While I think MS might have something here. I suspect or hope there running a newer build then what was released As this should have not been let out. It's just not fast enough to just pickup and start using since I am used to better performance, from Android, Apple.
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How new is it - there have been a number of updates already. Make sure you have them. Some will not update unless you are on AC power to avoid battery being depleted during update (Like the full Office update). There is also a Refresh PC option under PC options somewhere. You could also do a restart/reboot. There are some quirks which we are all working thorugh but.
There does seem to be an issue with lag when having multiple apps going but from what I read MS will be releasing a fix for that
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Software can be fixed. Hardware is the real story. The hardware on the surface is really good. I think these little things can be fixed...
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At least, they can't fix the lack of NFC, GPS and 3G/4G...
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ie sucks donkey ****, no contest.
other than that, very minimal lag. sometimes the news app stops loading but that's about it. mail loads in 2-3 seconds
I dunno man... I am absolutely loving mine. Super fast speeds while browsing the net in IE. Mail and other apps load in a two seconds or so.
Maybe you should have tried to exchange for another unit. It is fairly expensive...but I think its a completely new way to use a computer.
While there aren't tons of official apps yet , there are some pretty fantastic apps out there that meet pretty much all of my needs.
I do think the traditional desktop should be gone completely though ...its all but useless on the surface.
could also be faulty unit.. apps generally takes longer to load at first but gets faster soon afterwards.
I haven't seen any lag whatsoever on my unit. Maybe your router is incompatible with modern standards? Or your unit was defective?
My Surface RT is definitely one of the fastest tablets I have ever used. Although, I will add that its speed is in multitasking, not in launching apps.
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Just returned the Surface.
Lag opening apps. This is from a complete new Surface that has been restored and no apps launched yet.
Slow network. Way way slow. This is on a very good connection at home. Other mobile devices have no where the amount of lag. This is using IE in RT. I suspect this is IE rendering issues
Very sluggish performance overall. This is with the latest first party apps updated. Wether takes around 30 seconds to load. Mail takes about 30-60 seconds to load with one account, gmail.
While I think MS might have something here. I suspect or hope there running a newer build then what was released As this should have not been let out. It's just not fast enough to just pickup and start using since I am used to better performance, from Android, Apple.
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weird. no sluggish performance for me...... no idea why yours is taking that long to load apps.... and zero problems with wifi.
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weird. no sluggish performance for me...... no idea why yours is taking that long to load apps.... and zero problems with wifi.
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I do not have any performances issues either. I own an iPad 2 and I like better the multitask implementation in WinRT than in iOS.
Anyone's soft touch keyboard extremely positional? It seems like I have to wiggle the connection to get the damn thing to work.
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I do not have any performances issues either. I own an iPad 2 and I like better the multitask implementation in WinRT than in iOS.
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You guys really aren't having any performance issues with IE? That makes me wonder if maybe mine is defective in some way. Often when I load a webpage it will load part way and then just kind of hang for 30 seconds or so. Its really frustrating. I'm really loving other than that.
No performance issues experienced whatsoever. Love the build quality and speed of WiFi is very good. Found my HP Office Jet Pro printer instantly and I am printing too it now.
I'll definitely be looking at the pro for comparison sake as I already have an ultrabook and don't need 2.
The RT serves my needs as a "tweener" device.
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This post adds no value to this forum. Did you try measuring your internet speed, cpu, and memory usage with task manager? How slow is it compared to what?
IE10 is one of the fastest browsers there and it is really hard to believe all of what you said is true.
As I said, IE sucks. I wish we had chrome for this bad boy. I do notice a slow down in typed characters appearing on the screen if I have a lot of apps open. Try to close them when youre done and that seems to help.
Anyone figure a way to close all open apps at once?
PS. One thing I had no clue about until today, the Microsoft logo on the front is actually a button!!
I returned mine after a day also. I think it has amazing potential, I just couldn't deal with the lag and resolution. I really do hope it makes it though.
I have noticed lag with the Modern UI version of IE but not the desktop version. I've been surprisingly happy with the desktop IE. I actually cancelled my RT order a week and a day before it was released and chatted with MS every day to make sure it was cancelled. It shipped anyway and I was SURE I was going to return it right up until the point that I opened the box. As soon as that happened I knew it wasn't going anywhere without me....lol. I love this thing. I may still upgrade to the Pro when it releases but I am kind of doubting that even, now. I can't wait to see the app development for this thing in the near future. I also love that all of the desktop stuff is still there like Computer Management, Control Panel and whatnot. I do wish I could join it to a domain and use POP email with the mail client but third party apps will fix some of that.
I'm surprised to see the resolution was a problem for you falconeight. I have been pretty impressed with the screen even compared to my wife's iPad 3. Oh and just to add to the fanboyisms I have really been surprised at how usable the touch cover has been as well. Maybe I am easily impressed, I don't know.
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I have noticed lag with the Modern UI version of IE but not the desktop version. I've been surprisingly happy with the desktop IE. I actually cancelled my RT order a week and a day before it was released and chatted with MS every day to make sure it was cancelled. It shipped anyway and I was SURE I was going to return it right up until the point that I opened the box. As soon as that happened I knew it wasn't going anywhere without me....lol. I love this thing. I may still upgrade to the Pro when it releases but I am kind of doubting that even, now. I can't wait to see the app development for this thing in the near future. I also love that all of the desktop stuff is still there like Computer Management, Control Panel and whatnot. I do wish I could join it to a domain and use POP email with the mail client but third party apps will fix some of that.
I'm surprised to see the resolution was a problem for you falconeight. I have been pretty impressed with the screen even compared to my wife's iPad 3. Oh and just to add to the fanboyisms I have really been surprised at how usable the touch cover has been as well. Maybe I am easily impressed, I don't know.
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I agree with everything you said. I don think though that a lot of text is slight pixeled but not enough to complain or throw a fit. I guess im just not an early adopter. Why do you think the pro would be better? I kind of like the idea of a stripped down version of the OS. It makes it thinner lighter and easier. Oh and the touch cover is damn amazing I would be willing to say that it is the best piece of tech released in the last 2 years.
I was also surprised to see the OP - if the complaint was apps, I can see that, but I have also had no lag whatsoever - opening apps or otherwise.
My Surface did have 4 or 5 updates that were just installed on Saturday evening. Perhaps that would have fixed the issue?
As for the comments regarding GPS and CPD radios - the Galaxy Nexus Tabs don't have CPD options either. Maps works very well - it found my location perfectly even without GPS.
I'm starting to get the trend of putting more tech in the phone (NFC, GPS, CPD) and less tech in the tablets. Many of these wireless technologies are more well suited to pocket friendly devices. You wouldn't want to use Google Wallet or ISIS with a tablet (imagine how silly you'd look).
The Surface is not perfect, but for someone that needs a tablet as more of a productivity tool and less of a gaming platform and toy, I find it to be the best tablet offering currently available.
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I have noticed lag with the Modern UI version of IE but not the desktop version. I've been surprisingly happy with the desktop IE. I actually cancelled my RT order a week and a day before it was released and chatted with MS every day to make sure it was cancelled. It shipped anyway and I was SURE I was going to return it right up until the point that I opened the box. As soon as that happened I knew it wasn't going anywhere without me....lol. I love this thing. I may still upgrade to the Pro when it releases but I am kind of doubting that even, now. I can't wait to see the app development for this thing in the near future. I also love that all of the desktop stuff is still there like Computer Management, Control Panel and whatnot. I do wish I could join it to a domain and use POP email with the mail client but third party apps will fix some of that.
I'm surprised to see the resolution was a problem for you falconeight. I have been pretty impressed with the screen even compared to my wife's iPad 3. Oh and just to add to the fanboyisms I have really been surprised at how usable the touch cover has been as well. Maybe I am easily impressed, I don't know.
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If you planned to return it why did you open the box?
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Okay. Here's the thing: all of us know that Chrome has never been a great performer on Android. That's just the fact of the matter, currently. The only device I have seen that it actually runs well on is the Nexus 4 (as a phone). The most powerful Android tablet on the market currently, save for the latest Tegra 4 devices, is the Nexus 10.
And Chrome is a disaster on it.
Hence, I wanted to do something about this. I started small, and created a Chromium bug report on Google's own issue page focusing on rectifying the stutter, lag, and unresponsiveness we see with zooming. I've looked at similar reports, and at MOST they have 2-4 stars, over long periods of time. This one? I posted around on Google+, and we've gotten 20 within 16 hours. That is a milestone. At this rate, they will HAVE to pay attention to us and work seriously on fixing slow, laggy zooming, and by extension we'll be able to continue our march into panning, scrolling, and overall UI performance.
So c'mon! Head up to the link at the top (or down there at the bottom) and star the issue. Maybe we'll get somewhere! Let's try to hit 100*!
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=302868
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C'mon, someone's gotta see this. We've gotten to 35* already! If we keep this up, we'll definitely go somewhere.
Ok, so i'm tempted to buy one of these as I have a bunch of vouchers which means i can buy it for £25 instead of £129.
I'm a little concerned about the lack of love of the original Hudl device in terms of custom roms and general hacking , and i kinda understand it since its a UK device. so i'm unsure to go for it because of this. Its an Intel Atom cpu so i would love it if it was able to be installed with windows 8.1/10 eventually.
Anyone else seen the device and have any thoughts on it?
http://www.tesco.com/direct/hudl2-8-wi-fi-tablet/454-7907.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=397-7926
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/tablets/391081/hands-on-tesco-hudl2-review
Looks like I've found the right place for my review
I tried posting this in a comment box on Engadget. Suffice to say, it did not fit! I thought there might be a modding forum for the hudl1 over here on xda but to my surprise there is not :-O slightly concerning. I don't understand why it being a British device would be an issue, we make great stuff!
Anyway here goes..
Had a good shot on the hudl2 today. Going in teaco today was like the opening scenes of the Lego movie. Hudl propaganda everywhere. Point of sale cardboards you expect. But I have to admit impressed with the kiosk they've set up. The branding is simple, and hey had all colours of hudl on display, it definitely lures you in. On top of tat, giving the big brother Lego-movir feel, all of the television displays are showing a hudl2 promo vids on loop. 'Were really pleased to announce...' Etc..
The demo units run in obviously a demo mode. Pristine, I think I might have been their first prodder. All the tabs were heleved in landscape view and the first Hong you notice therefore is how wide they look. If you've seen the nexus7, these seem like pretty much the same ratio. The demo mode has a display encouraging you to 'try it', which if you tap, takes you to the android home screen. Naturally it is maiden with blinkbox icons. The home screen to the left features tescos feed. Things like shopping offers, how to get started on blibkbox etc. You can hide then (they appear as cards), but they come back soon enough. The home screen one to the right of the main, is more blink box a centric with more direct links to movies and music etc.
You can choose to ditch blinkbox icons if you wish but long and short, you're not getting rid of these left and right home screens anytime soon. I had a good look through the options and settings, and nowhere did I see the option to remove ho.eacreens.
Neither was I able to enable developer option s, something to note.
Going into settings, apps, I attempted to close/stop any references to Tesco processes running to see if it was possible to 'de-teaco' the homeacreens. And sure, I was able to stop them. But returning to the home screen starts them again and back they appear, as if they never went away.
The homeacreen to.the left incurs the highest lag in all my experience using the tablet. As you scroll left, the background blurs, which is a nice aesthetic touch but I would hedge my bets that is what's causing the lag. As another person has reported, touching the app drawer brings up the app icons very promptly, with only a slight *very very slight* * delay. To the otaku, this will annoy them possibly, but to.most casual users who don't race around phones/tabs as they likely so on desktop PC's, this won't be a problem at all.
Similarly, launching apps was prompt, about th same as the initial 'pressing on app drawer' button.
It feels very much like a smartphone, with a. Bigger screen, which is what most ppl expect.
The screen. The screen is absolutely stand-out feature on this tab. The colours, to my taster are desaturated enough to look natural, I would estimate skin tones in videos would look very nice on this. Photos look absolutely lovely, and using the tab to tweak them with Google Photos was easy, fun and satisfying.
Play store..
Internet wasslow connection in this particular tescos but at least they're connected! A welcome change to a lot of stores/demos. Indeed, these tabs were 'box-fresh' I downloaded Flipboard, which flipped through lagfree, although I can't say 100% for sure about hr speed because the connection was so slow that images weren't displaying yet.
I downloaded flickr, a nice appfor viewing photos on nice screens and it looked wonderful with next to no.lag (aside the net connection ).
Feel in the hand. These things are naturally powered up and connected via mai s as well as a central stem from beneath the desk holding them up. So I wasn't able to feel how theysit in the hand vertically. But I was able to.hold it horizontally and that was indeed very comfy, the rubbery soft touch back is very nice and trippy too.
No accessories were available yet.
I can't comment on the sound, but the screen is just lovely. Again, to echo others, the viewing angles are not fantastic, but its respectably bright and crisp. No such 'cyan oven mode style' colour options in the settings though, if the look isn't to your preference.
This is my first time using an 8inch tablet, its a nice experience. However this like email in landscape could definitely so with a bit of a makeover (everything appears very large), like email for kids . (Gmail I'm talking about).
Goodgle Newsstand, this had had a recent update which makes it quite graphically intense, using the cards style material UI of upcoming Google Android L. Scrolling through the items incurred a bit of lag, I would put in on par with my galaxy S3 (running CyanogenMod 11l. As a news reading experience, this app has a lot of potential, but Aimo It would only be optimal under android L.
Browsing through the play store for music, movies and books requires a fair amount of close-up viewing it on a galaxy s3, not so here. The items on display are pleasant and text metainfo, like price, genre, year etc. Are nicely legible.
Browsing speed..
Now this is the only area where I was not particularly amazed with the hudl 2. I fired up theverge as its quite intense. The chrome.browser held most of the images in place, however a quick scroll from very top to very bottom of the site had images blinking out of view,, then re-appearing. Not a ram issue I don't think. I think (only suspect) this might be a limit of the atom CPU.
I did nothing more strenuous to he tablet, and apart from that, I would say it is very very serviceable. Especially for £129.
Were it not for this potential.nexus9 around the corner with rumoured android L, I would buy this immediately.
would it be possible to put the GEL launcher on this? and thanks for the in depth review^^^^^^^
nice hands-on. sort out the strange spelllings and wording and you could put that on a proper website.
i'll be getting mine tonight (cost me £25 on top of my clubcard vouchers which have been sitting doing nothing for years) so will give some feedback for what its worth. i'm totally wanting to run windows on it though. I can't get my head around why anyone would chose a (presumably more expensive) Intel x64 chipset over an ARM given that Android is optimised for ARM.
SkEvol said:
I tried posting this in a comment box on Engadget. Suffice to say, it did not fit! I thought there might be a modding forum for the hudl1 over here on xda but to my surprise there is not :-O slightly concerning. I don't understand why it being a British device would be an issue, we make great stuff!
Anyway here goes..
Had a good shot on the hudl2 today. Going in teaco today was like the opening scenes of the Lego movie. Hudl propaganda everywhere. Point of sale cardboards you expect. But I have to admit impressed with the kiosk they've set up. The branding is simple, and hey had all colours of hudl on display, it definitely lures you in. On top of tat, giving the big brother Lego-movir feel, all of the television displays are showing a hudl2 promo vids on loop. 'Were really pleased to announce...' Etc..
The demo units run in obviously a demo mode. Pristine, I think I might have been their first prodder. All the tabs were heleved in landscape view and the first Hong you notice therefore is how wide they look. If you've seen the nexus7, these seem like pretty much the same ratio. The demo mode has a display encouraging you to 'try it', which if you tap, takes you to the android home screen. Naturally it is maiden with blinkbox icons. The home screen to the left features tescos feed. Things like shopping offers, how to get started on blibkbox etc. You can hide then (they appear as cards), but they come back soon enough. The home screen one to the right of the main, is more blink box a centric with more direct links to movies and music etc.
You can choose to ditch blinkbox icons if you wish but long and short, you're not getting rid of these left and right home screens anytime soon. I had a good look through the options and settings, and nowhere did I see the option to remove ho.eacreens.
Neither was I able to enable developer option s, something to note.
Going into settings, apps, I attempted to close/stop any references to Tesco processes running to see if it was possible to 'de-teaco' the homeacreens. And sure, I was able to stop them. But returning to the home screen starts them again and back they appear, as if they never went away.
The homeacreen to.the left incurs the highest lag in all my experience using the tablet. As you scroll left, the background blurs, which is a nice aesthetic touch but I would hedge my bets that is what's causing the lag. As another person has reported, touching the app drawer brings up the app icons very promptly, with only a slight *very very slight* * delay. To the otaku, this will annoy them possibly, but to.most casual users who don't race around phones/tabs as they likely so on desktop PC's, this won't be a problem at all.
Similarly, launching apps was prompt, about th same as the initial 'pressing on app drawer' button.
It feels very much like a smartphone, with a. Bigger screen, which is what most ppl expect.
The screen. The screen is absolutely stand-out feature on this tab. The colours, to my taster are desaturated enough to look natural, I would estimate skin tones in videos would look very nice on this. Photos look absolutely lovely, and using the tab to tweak them with Google Photos was easy, fun and satisfying.
Play store..
Internet wasslow connection in this particular tescos but at least they're connected! A welcome change to a lot of stores/demos. Indeed, these tabs were 'box-fresh' I downloaded Flipboard, which flipped through lagfree, although I can't say 100% for sure about hr speed because the connection was so slow that images weren't displaying yet.
I downloaded flickr, a nice appfor viewing photos on nice screens and it looked wonderful with next to no.lag (aside the net connection ).
Feel in the hand. These things are naturally powered up and connected via mai s as well as a central stem from beneath the desk holding them up. So I wasn't able to feel how theysit in the hand vertically. But I was able to.hold it horizontally and that was indeed very comfy, the rubbery soft touch back is very nice and trippy too.
No accessories were available yet.
I can't comment on the sound, but the screen is just lovely. Again, to echo others, the viewing angles are not fantastic, but its respectably bright and crisp. No such 'cyan oven mode style' colour options in the settings though, if the look isn't to your preference.
This is my first time using an 8inch tablet, its a nice experience. However this like email in landscape could definitely so with a bit of a makeover (everything appears very large), like email for kids . (Gmail I'm talking about).
Goodgle Newsstand, this had had a recent update which makes it quite graphically intense, using the cards style material UI of upcoming Google Android L. Scrolling through the items incurred a bit of lag, I would put in on par with my galaxy S3 (running CyanogenMod 11l. As a news reading experience, this app has a lot of potential, but Aimo It would only be optimal under android L.
Browsing through the play store for music, movies and books requires a fair amount of close-up viewing it on a galaxy s3, not so here. The items on display are pleasant and text metainfo, like price, genre, year etc. Are nicely legible.
Browsing speed..
Now this is the only area where I was not particularly amazed with the hudl 2. I fired up theverge as its quite intense. The chrome.browser held most of the images in place, however a quick scroll from very top to very bottom of the site had images blinking out of view,, then re-appearing. Not a ram issue I don't think. I think (only suspect) this might be a limit of the atom CPU.
I did nothing more strenuous to he tablet, and apart from that, I would say it is very very serviceable. Especially for £129.
Were it not for this potential.nexus9 around the corner with rumoured android L, I would buy this immediately.
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Good review - and the web pages thing does seem to be an issue. I thought I would add a couple of points based on 24 hours of ownership of this device....
The first thing I noticed was how laggy the Tesco launcher was - not helped by the boat load of Tesco crapola on left screen. The first thing I did was put Nova on there and it was like night and day - zero lag. I disabled most of the Tesco apps and hid them in the launcher as well which basically left me with, essentially, a stock Android tablet. It also left no visible sign of Tesco on the tablet because Nova can get rid of the search bar (Tesco had moved their Tesco button up here instead of having it on the Navigation bar on Hudl1) The only gripe about performance would be that there is some lag with some live wallpapers.
I stuck Asphalt 8 and Modern Combat 5 on there and there no problems. Both games play really, really well. I also tested the touch responsiveness - an issue on Hudl 1 - by playing CounterSpy and Alone and it seems to be a lot better on Hudl 2. I have not really had a chance to test the speakers yet as I have mainly used it with headphones. I've also not had any issues with app incompatibility caused by the Intel processor yet. Internet speed seems great so far- even large games downloaded quickly both on home and work WiFi.
My biggest gripe is the 9gb of free space - 11 out of 16gb free should be the minimum. First thing I will do when I root it will be to get rid of some of bloat with Titanium.
Overall though - very impressed. As already mentioned, the screen is just fantastic. Huge improvement on the first one and a really, really decent device. For the money its a no-brainer.
Thanks for continuing the discussion! What you've said all sounds very positive!
Have you managed to root it? I note that there sadly didn't seem to be much support for custom rom'ing the hudl1. But those changes you made with the launcher sound like they took care of any lag, this is great!
One thing you did mention.. I thought i would ask you, for clarity.. When you said..
gripweed said:
Good review - and the web pages thing does seem to be an issue.
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--were you referring to your own experience with loading pages? Or were you just echoing the concern i had expressed in my review?
Also, to hear that games work well is also really great!
Took the plunge today used my staff discount didn't use any club card put the google launcher disabled everything other than child and my Tesco which I couldn't do. Tablet is really fast display and size and great feels better the nexus 7
SkEvol said:
Thanks for continuing the discussion! What you've said all sounds very positive!
Have you managed to root it? I note that there sadly didn't seem to be much support for custom rom'ing the hudl1. But those changes you made with the launcher sound like they took care of any lag, this is great!
One thing you did mention.. I thought i would ask you, for clarity.. When you said..
--were you referring to your own experience with loading pages? Or were you just echoing the concern i had expressed in my review?
Also, to hear that games work well is also really great!
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I was more echoing your concerns tbh - noticed it crop up in at least a couple of "hands on" reviews and was wondering if it was an issue. I haven't especially noticed but I will try a few more content heavy web page and see what happens. I should apologise for the lack of clarity on my original reply as I haven't rooted it yet- I rooted the last one and ran exposed and gravity box which did compensate slightly for the lack of custom roms. There was a bit of interest in Hudl modding on Modaco last time, which was where I found the rooting info.
I think Rooting may take a while as this is an Intel Atom Bay trail Z3735D cpu. The Onda V975i has the same CPU and has been rooted so it may be possible to adapt it to work although it is running an older version of android which may raise other problems. Also I would not try any rooting method until a recovery ROM and method are available.
My Hudl 2 on order.
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Further From my previous post it appears that these Bay Trial tabs can have a Bios so It will be interesting to see how this tab matures. Windows Anyone!
vermillions said:
Further From my previous post it appears that these Bay Trial tabs can have a Bios so It will be interesting to see how this tab matures. Windows Anyone!
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Pretty cool to think that would be possible.
Windows has a 1000 uses, what would you choose to do? (just curious)
Do you think that Kings might have solution to rooting?
SkEvol said:
Pretty cool to think that would be possible.
Windows has a 1000 uses, what would you choose to do? (just curious)
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I am the worst person with devices, I like to get them to do more than they were originally intended to do and to tinker and learn as much as poss, then I just end up never using them. But if a Dev overcomes all the obstacles in Boot and Bios and is able to roll all the drivers into a windows rom, I couldn't help myself I would have to test it.
Hudl2 Thread
How do we lobby the XDA Devs to open a section for the Hudl2?
Do we need to raise money to buy one to send it to a dev?
I'd quite like a recovery loader (at the bare minimum) to be able to back up the Hudl2, before asking for some kind dev to port a new Rom to it.
What can we do to make any of the above options happen?
giac0m0 said:
How do we lobby the XDA Devs to open a section for the Hudl2?
Do we need to raise money to buy one to send it to a dev?
I'd quite like a recovery loader (at the bare minimum) to be able to back up the Hudl2, before asking for some kind dev to port a new Rom to it.
What can we do to make any of the above options happen?
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I don't know the answer to any of your questions but I'd be willing to contribute £5 to the cost of finding out how to root it, in whatever form that takes.
Just out of interest has anyone tried Root Genius? it is made by the same people that made Shuame. If not working I suspect root will probably come from installing IntelAndroidDrvSetup and then a flash from Fastboot if we can get into Fastboot. But it will need someone with the correct knowledge to make the flashable update with the right parameters. All only a guess though.
Hi. Does anyone have an idea of how someone who's not in England can purchase one?
I'm very interest, seems great value for the money.
Thanks.
vermillions said:
Just out of interest has anyone tried Root Genius? it is made by the same people that made Shuame. If not working I suspect root will probably come from installing IntelAndroidDrvSetup and then a flash from Fastboot if we can get into Fastboot. But it will need someone with the correct knowledge to make the flashable update with the right parameters. All only a guess though.
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Someone over in MoDaCo had a similar thought and suggested this may work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2681783
giac0m0 said:
Someone over in MoDaCo had a similar thought and suggested this may work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2681783
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Yes it might, my Hudl 2 is not yet delivered so I am unable to test at present. But I think it is worth a shot.
(kicking myself for ordering with delivery and not picking up from store.)
vermillions said:
If not working I suspect root will probably come from installing IntelAndroidDrvSetup and then a flash from Fastboot if we can get into Fastboot. But it will need someone with the correct knowledge to make the flashable update with the right parameters.
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I'm impressed! I have no idea now you had the thought process of thinking of doing that! I take it you must have quite a lot of experience with routing. I only ropted my s3 because i needed to. Sometimes i wish i had the insight to be able to suggest something like that. I usually work off of what faq or how-to suggests. I'm quite interested in why this device would require a different method because of it's cpu. Interesting to me.
Has anyone had success playing encoded videos e.g. x264 codec and similar? I used to get decent results using MXplayer or VLC beta on my previous tablet (a cheap Chinese version that should be worse than the Hudl2), but now I suspect that poor x86 support from those players is letting it down. I've downloaded the x86 codec for MX and played with the various performance options, but results range from good to appalling depending on the video, with stuttering or full crashes. I've also tried some other players that claimed x86 support, but no dice.
Any advice gratefully received, as I'm very happy with my Hudl2 apart from this.
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