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Hello after hearing about apple reaching 500 billion dollar, my question is what does android need to do to become a serious competitor to apple so that people would rather buy android then an iphone? What does apple have in the iPhone and ipad that android dosent? I would like to see some opinions of what you all think thanks
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Apple has always been the underdog lol Android is still new so it will be at the top in due time.
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reaper24 said:
Apple has always been the underdog lol Android is still new so it will be at the top in due time.
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Well in phones I meant ever since the iPhone came out and iPad everyone is going crazy about there products, I'm not sure why when they have no where near the selection of android
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Android users need Watson, that would literally kick the $*it out of siri. I mean that would be amazing- doctors, researchers in the field, really just anyone in the sciences could use it and the average person could enjoy it as well as learn from it. Android is the perfect channel to reach all sectors and the general public with such a new and really amazing technology.
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Android users need Watson, that would literally kick the $*it out of siri. I mean that would be amazing- doctors, researchers in the field, really just anyone in the sciences could use it and the average person could enjoy it as well as learn from it. Android is the perfect channel to reach all sectors and the general public with such a new and really amazing technology.
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Yes the technology is far past apple, in my opinion android will be the future, I try to write what I imagine in the future of technology but I can't put it in words
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I see Android the same way I do Linux. It will attract the true techies but but for the average user it will not appeal to theme as it takes to much work to get it just right and most people are just to lazy
IMHO is the main difference between android and iOS, that android is more customizable and, with that, its more complicated. So, most people who only want to have a working phone which is looking good and don't want to learn anything bout software will buy an iPhone. Because its simpler.
I think android will be catshing up with apple, because it's only getting better, it is open source, the phones is cheaper and more options to change the apperence of the phone!
Why, isn't it the number one OS yet?
Hey thank you all for your replies, I was at best buy couple week ago and a person was looking to buy a android tablet or an ipad 2, I was next to the person when I was playing with a tablet and he asked me do you no what is better? Ipad 2 or this tablet? (He was looking at the Asus transformer) I told him Asus was, but he end up buying the ipad because his Droid phone always get a virus, freezes and so now he thinks all android are like that....if he only knew
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Android311 said:
Hello after hearing about apple reaching 500 billion dollar, my question is what does android need to do to become a serious competitor to apple so that people would rather buy android then an iphone? What does apple have in the iPhone and ipad that android dosent? I would like to see some opinions of what you all think thanks
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You can't entirely confuse profits with marketshare (which Android has 51% of, I think they were saying). Apple is able to get away with a higher price markup for lesser specs because
0) low price elasticity - iSheep will continue to buy and to rationalize their mother company no matter what
1) they're facing no competition from other, similar iPhone makers, unlike android makers who compete with each other in both specs and price
2) they slice down anything that even vaguely resembles competition with lawsuits (even where they're clearly not making iPhones)
3) the brand itself has become so hyped that it's able to continue to get new users - I guess you could count this as marketing
They still have a much greater stranglehold on the pad market, so a lot of the profits probably come from that.
Finally, if you believe this post at least, Apple is able to squeeze more profits from the way our carriers and subsidies work. Nowadays, it's standard for the carrier to bundle phones along with their services, in a dual-pay system (the carrier "subsidizes" part of the phone cost in exchange for a contract). Because of Apple's particular market power (users might switch to another carrier if the other has iPhone and they don't), they are able to demand that carriers subsidize more while taking away the profits. That way, they make more money without directly charging the buyers. Indirectly, of course, the carriers probably pay for this through increased fees in general, which means that everyone ends up sponsoring the iPhone.
In other words, they've successfully managed to implement an "iPhone tax". Isn't bundling the greatest thing ever?
As for how to make Android better, updates and better phone compatibility is definitely an issue. ICS, for example, needed to be available quickly for multiple devices as soon as it's released. There really is no way to do this, except.. release it earlier. Have a completely open beta, like the Linux kernel, so that everyone can get compatibility working from day -100 onwards. If flashiness (and non-copying by Apple) is an issue, at least give the manufacturers early access to it, so that they're able to start working on device compatibility right away.
Meanwhile, unfettered by bureaucracy, custom roms are churning out faster than any manufacturer ever could. You could have updates and features faster than you ever thought possible; the average user, however, doesn't know enough, or isn't confident enough to go through the installation process. Google should include an easy ROM installer/backup utility by default. That way, the users get a full taste of the speed and power of openness, which really is so intoxicating that they'll never go back to a closed system ever again.
(They could even put start posting up their own custom ROMs! Imagine what their developers could do, unhindered by the megacompany issues. We would have updates, the like of which we've never seen before.)
If Android was optimized to run perfectly on one core just like Windows Phone 7 than I can see a lot of people using it. When I talk to Android users who don't know anything about custom roms/root they complain about force closes and applications not working. Also how there phone slows down.
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Yeah, agree with two posts above... The slow spread of Android 4.0 is only good for Apple, the big companies should realize that they're depending on the users liking android, and you will not get them to like Android with refusing to give them updates. Sometimes I think they are not able to look into the nearer future to see what's necessary for them...
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great info everyone yes I do notice a bit of a slow down on android 4.0 but I'm on a single core device, hopefully by summer they can find a solution to make android 4.0 more stable and better performance, I feel that the android team is working fast to come up with a software that would bring iPhone users to android, but when iPhone 5 comes out I hope some android phone company's have something up there sleeve that will be able to compete with apple
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*bumping up
Right now there on the right path to becoming number one in the market, what i think they need to do to become number one.
all official releases of android to be the same across all phones, things like TouchWiz to be scraped altogether
moderation on the market to stop useless buggy apps from making the market look bad
an android OS for desktops/laptops that will run consumer products
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Better hardware acceleration on all applications.
I think that iPhone as an advantage : there is only one model.
So you can find dock for desktop, car, audio, ...
Android is only the softwar and each constructor have to make is own accessories and so on.
In my opinion, one major problem of Android devices is about fragmentation.. I hope that Android OEMs can release updates for all devices faster.
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I think that iPhone as an advantage : there is only one model.
So you can find dock for desktop, car, audio, ...
Android is only the softwar and each constructor have to make is own accessories and so on.
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Yes that's true but there is more money to be made in the android market rather then the iPhone. There are ALOT of brands and generics that make the same accessorizes for the iPhone and each brand is struggling to make money when they all make the same product, unlike android. Verity is better
whats the future for android phones? it looks like the market is saturated with technology where demand for android phones may fall. what do you think?
With android being best selling phone operating system I think as long as people need mobiles it will still be popular because it can even be used on low end devices and this means as parts of the world where mobiles aren't popular yet (due to low incomes or lack of cell infrastructure) get mobile phones its likely to be cheap android ones they look to rather than say iphones or wp7.
So I think android sales will continue to increase for the forseeable future.
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The ecosystem is the biggest thing for sustainability. I don't think Android/Google are going anywhere and there is room for more than one player other than Apple. Ice Cream Sandwich is also a significant step as allows a consistent os for phone and tablet which really opens up the market for developers.
It may level off a bit because a lot of the initial burst in sales was due to the fact that it was a new OS, meaning that users were previously using another OS. Then there is also a large group of people who were using basic/non-smartphones and then made the move to Android. So the new customer base may not continue to rise as much, but hopefully the existing customer base can stay loyal.
the demand will always be there. with ios innovation stagnating and some people not willing to pay the apple premium, the android platform offers a cheaper smartphone alternative that does everything an iphone can do but maybe not offer the best performance. of course once ICS rolls out everywhere this may be a different story performance wise but android will prevail and i think google is gonna make sure of that.
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the demand will always be there. with ios innovation stagnating and some people not willing to pay the apple premium, the android platform offers a cheaper smartphone alternative that does everything an iphone can do but maybe not offer the best performance. of course once ICS rolls out everywhere this may be a different story performance wise but android will prevail and i think google is gonna make sure of that.
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what you said seems sound.. lets see what the future holds.
ANDROID is still on the long run.. for at least two years, it will grow. I cant predict beyond that. I just know it will grow by seeing people opt to go for Android instead of blackberry and Symbian.
It has been a big talk here in Malaysia. And blackberry peeps are moving to Android as they hate Apple for some reason. I guess they were pissed that iFags bashed them when they r using BBs. Lol
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do you all think that android gonna have good future with apple making more profits than android?
Apple will probably use the remaining 84bn in cash to buy google.
Android is the future.
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Android is doing in the smartphone market what Microsoft did in the desktop market in the mid to late 90s. They offer a lower cost alternative where prices stay competition due to competition between OEMs. The fact that Apple is trying to sue Android OEMs like crazy shows that it is a threat to them.
Dead and gone in at most 2 years. I won't miss it.
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Apple is all over sueing android supporters with patents.
This aint even missing a thing. This shows that android is making its way too fast. biggest advantage of android is, it is open source
Could be dead with apple and MS taking over.
April fools?
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Same as today if not larger. Not making apple money, but still making a killing
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Dead and gone in at most 2 years. I won't miss it.
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Considering how bad Ios is to me, that is a scary thought
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Android will go the route of the Linux system. Used by true techies and not understood by the rest.
Maybe
I don't think so, it will used by all, and only understood by experts...
Well I should hope this is the case..After all you are not comparing Apples to Apples (pun intended).
Apple is a hardware company that sells hardware products and digital services, predominantly software and media, whereas Android itself is free. it costs nothing, so it cant make a profit.
If you look beyond the "gee whiz" numbers of their growth you will see that Apple leads in two markets, that of tablets and download content however market share in download content, smartphones and tablets is falling...So i suspect that the only folks really worried about the state of apple is apple themselves... their continued growth (at current rates) is frankly not sustainable.
Note: to compare Apple Vs apples (its full and complete competition) you would need to sum the numbers of the following business:
1. Microsoft & all PC manufacturers
2. All PC software sales
3. Android portion of all mobile manufacturers
4. All android tablet manufacturers
5. Google
6. Amazon market, and all Amazon download media
7. Napster and all other media download sites.
So, if you can be bothered to do that, you may see that Apple < competition.
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do you all think that android gonna have good future with apple making more profits than android?
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do you all think that android gonna have good future with apple making more profits than android?
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Ok ....... let me ask you a few questions which should hopefully put things into the kind of perspective that would have avoided this thread altogether.
A: Is there a future in the airplane industry for Airbus since Boeing keep getting all the big contracts ??
B: Is there a future in the oil industry for Saudi Arabia since Russia produces more oil than they do ??
C: Is there a future in Gold mining for South Africa since China mines more gold than they do now (allegedly with some assistance from slave/indentured labour).
Z: Is there a future in the God business for the Catholic church since Islam is growing much faster and Muslims seem more devout. (For the humour challenged am joking)
etc, etc, etc ........ i assume you get the idea, its called competition and the world is full of it in every industry you care to mention and lots you wouldn't.
done now ???
In these 2 years - if I'm wrong correct me because I'm quite new in android OS - android has become quite popular and because of the open source it might be avocative for developers as in present as in future.
And that Apple would buy android I can not imagine.
Android has been outselling iOS for a while now.
But iOS is beating Android with way more freezing and crashing. So I guess iOS wins in one aspect, more crashes!
Android will win.
Long live open source.
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Today, I had a person say to me that Android will always be playing catch up with Apple. I laughed extremely hard. He then went on to ask me to 'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?' Then I wondered if I could get a thread started stating all the things that Android can do that iOS can't
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Today, I had a person say to me that Android will always be playing catch up with Apple. I laughed extremely hard. He then went on to ask me to 'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?' Then I wondered if I could get a thread started stating all the things that Android can do that iOS can't
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Widgets, for example!
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Urko
Kitch16 said:
Today, I had a person say to me that Android will always be playing catch up with Apple. I laughed extremely hard. He then went on to ask me to 'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?' Then I wondered if I could get a thread started stating all the things that Android can do that iOS can't
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Yup sadly your friend is right. Google just enhance it and made it open source so all of as can modify our phones to the highest level of customization and tweaks. Apple keep their codes within themselves marketing strategy that's what i call that...
Android have multiple launchers to choose, various screen sizes of android devices... superior hardware exmpl. Tegra 3
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One word is enough to answer him: personalization
But also many Kind of device and design, continous improvement of The user experience
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I really wonder how many custom ROMs they have with drop down toggles ;')
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wow. ummm widgets. notification bar. screen sizes. customization.
Native turn by turn navigation (Apple will add it with iOS 6 for a few selected models)
Widgets
Ability to switch keyboards without SU
Ability to play Flash content in your smartphone
Sideload apps without SU
Deep Social Network integration with the OS (iOS just has Twitter and soon FB integration)
etc.
I could name a few more Android advantages over iOS but at the end of the day what matters is what suits your needs. Despite my love for Android OS and have been using it since the HTC Magic times i can say that my iPad in terms of productivity is way better then a Android tablet, but the same can't be said about iPhone vs my Nexus. My 2 cents.
Nfc, android beam,Cwm, wi-fi direct, Google now........
Just explain to him where Apple got the inspiration for their unique and revolutionary expanded status bar.
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'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?'
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First? Who cares? My OS can beat up your OS? Tell that person to please grow up. It's a mobile phone, not Jesus Christ.
... that Android can do that iOS can't
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Android does what I want it to do. iOS does not.
Strange how some people feel threatened when other people make different choices in life. I have an Android phone. I have no problems with other people having iOS phones. I see it as a boon, actually; when they have problems, I can shrug my shoulders and say, "Sorry, can't help you, I know nothing about iOS".
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Just explain to him where Apple got the inspiration for their unique and revolutionary expanded status bar.
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I laughed very hard at this
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I always liked how android has all the apps hidden to the point where i don't have to have every app on my screen at once. That to me is really annoying and takes away from the beauty of the phone. Not to mention the ugly badges that the iphone has for notifications.
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First? Who cares? My OS can beat up your OS? Tell that person to please grow up. It's a mobile phone, not Jesus Christ.
Android does what I want it to do. iOS does not.
Strange how some people feel threatened when other people make different choices in life. I have an Android phone. I have no problems with other people having iOS phones. I see it as a boon, actually; when they have problems, I can shrug my shoulders and say, "Sorry, can't help you, I know nothing about iOS".
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I applaud you, good sir. I see/hear too many individuals getting up in arms because someone else likes a different mobile OS. To each, his (or her) own!
How exactly is this about the Nexus S?
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First? Who cares? My OS can beat up your OS? Tell that person to please grow up. It's a mobile phone, not Jesus Christ.
Android does what I want it to do. iOS does not.
Strange how some people feel threatened when other people make different choices in life. I have an Android phone. I have no problems with other people having iOS phones. I see it as a boon, actually; when they have problems, I can shrug my shoulders and say, "Sorry, can't help you, I know nothing about iOS".
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This. /thread
Sent by pocket technology.
Apple is encashing loyalty of blind morons very well...
Kitch16 said:
Today, I had a person say to me that Android will always be playing catch up with Apple. I laughed extremely hard. He then went on to ask me to 'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?' Then I wondered if I could get a thread started stating all the things that Android can do that iOS can't
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I was hanging out with my friend (blind ***cough***cough*** hardcore apple ban) on google+ and got into discussion of apple vs android. His exact statement was "Its not about product, price, quality, features or something... Its all about when you are associated to something". Since then I am considering such people totally blind moron and itrolls I don't give a damn what their phone can do I just know my 2 yr old nexus can do much more than their six month old iph4s
Only ppl playing catch up to apple are the manufacturers. Android as an OS has a 54% market share. That 54% is split amongst HTC, Samsung, Motorola etc. While the iOS has a 34% share in the market but that whole 34% is represented by apple.
Manufacturers are behind when it comes to implementation of the OS and the hardware. While Google is ahead with features of their OS compared to iOS.
I think that's what ppl mean when they say Android is playing catch up because other than a few Android phones, none have gotten the recognition of the iPhone. To the majority of consumers, most android phones are "just another phone" ... its sumn I notice everyday when talking to my friends. They don't care about amoled or dual core vs quad core or which gpu is used or what version of android its running. To them its just Android vs iPhone.
Yesterday a friend of mine upgraded from an HTC incredible to a galaxy s3 and she hates it. Yes, she hates it. I know thats just one individuals opinion, but it goes yo show how ppl don't differentiate android phones. To her the incredible was a better fit and its "still android."
To me, it appears that Google is making more of a push to really put their Nexus brand out there. I hope it works but once they push enough units to where they can bring n enough Play Store revenue from nexus devices alone, I can see them making android closed source to create an exclusive ecosystem like apple has. Especially because they have an in house manufacturer in Motorola.
They're already slyly undercutting other Android phone manufacturers by playing to the appeal of having stock Android on the nexus devices and quicker updates.
That'll be bad news for companies enjoying so much success off of Android popularity, but I'm sure they already see this coming if I can.
Right now, Google is letting them stick around because of play store revenue from all the devices.
On another note, if Google is satisfied with the revenue they're bringing n, then I'm wrong, but it looks like they're already going down that path.
Until they do so, Android won't have a "true" iPhone competitor in the eyes of the consumer. Regardless of how many great phones come up a because the stigma of it being just another Android phone.
Just look at eBay. Great Android phones are selling for the same amount as iPhone 3g.... its ridiculous.
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Android in 2008: Custom wallpaper changing included in version 1.0
Apple in 2010: Now in IOS 4, you can pick your own wallpaper!
iSheep: Omg I r can put mai lolcatz in teh backround, I r bettar than andr01d!!!!!one1!!!1!!!!11!!!1111!!!eleven!!!1!
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Android in 2008: Custom wallpaper changing included in version 1.0
Apple in 2010: Now in IOS 4, you can pick your own wallpaper!
iSheep: Omg I r can put mai lolcatz in teh backround, I r bettar than andr01d!!!!!one1!!!1!!!!11!!!1111!!!eleven!!!1!
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Haha
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Lol if android was playing catch up there wouldn't be so many lawsuits from apple
I couldn't help to immediately notice how conspicuous it is that XDA has created forums for small, still in development OS'S like Tizen, Sailfish, Firefox, Ubuntu Phone, and heck, even Bada. What's the deal gents? I know some of you must have discussed it.
Regardless of whether you like or dislike them, BlackBerry 10 OS is live to market, and they still have the 3rd place in global market share. There has to be some reason this doesn't recognition here and even Bada does?
Please, refrain from posts like this complaining about xda. Its just the os is new and we are a development forum. We know nothing of developing on that software yet and it still hasn't come to many carriers, mainly in America. So quit your rambling because it might take some time for the z10 and q10 to gain its respective forums. So the reason why we have bada, ubuntu, and even a sister iPhone site, is because we can DEVELOP on them. This is not tech support. This is development.
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Please, refrain from posts like this complaining about xda. Its just the os is new and we are a development forum. We know nothing of developing on that software yet and it still hasn't come to many carriers, mainly in America. So quit your rambling because it might take some time for the z10 and q10 to gain its respective forums. So the reason why we have bada, ubuntu, and even a sister iPhone site, is because we can DEVELOP on them. This is not tech support. This is development.
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I didn't note any animosity toward xda in the OP's post. But using your own argument begs the question, where are the development forums for OS5, 6 or 7? Surely they've been around long enough with all the US carriers, even some pre-paids. Could it be that YOU don't know anything about the platform? Perhaps there is something to the OP's query that could be better explained by the powers that be.
XDA was never a blackberry site, simply because (I presume, this is all historical now) the BB was generally a phone provided by your company, which was heavily locked down, and you were to just use it like a good employee, who does what he's told...
There's not much interest in Blackberry anyway, and tech rumours are certainly worth taking a look at RE RIM's long term future...
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I didn't note any animosity toward xda in the OP's post. But using your own argument begs the question, where are the development forums for OS5, 6 or 7? Surely they've been around long enough with all the US carriers, even some pre-paids. Could it be that YOU don't know anything about the platform? Perhaps there is something to the OP's query that could be better explained by the powers that be.
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Thanks, you understood my intention correctly.
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There's not much interest in Blackberry anyway, and tech rumours are certainly worth taking a look at RE RIM's long term future...
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There are zero credible signs one way or the other regarding how the new overhaul is doing yet from a business standpoint or consumer interest.
How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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There are zero credible signs one way or the other regarding how the new overhaul is doing yet from a business standpoint or consumer interest.
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There are signs though of other R&D work, which are credible, and have images which couldn't really be faked unless you were with RIM...
I assume that the OS is not open source and thus there's no way to develop for it?
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How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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BB is ahead of wp8 currently in mobile OS market share
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I assume that the OS is not open source and thus there's no way to develop for it?
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Would that also not apply to wp8 which does have a presence here?
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How much market share does RIM or now BBRY own? I don't think there is enough demand to justify creating a development forum specifically for BlackBerry users. I am sure you can find others like yourself on other forums dedicated to this platform.
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BlackBerry (formerly RIM) is the number 3 platform worldwide. Emerging markets (read: anywhere outside the US) are snatching up old Curves and Pearls at a ridiculous pace. It is reasonable to expect a Windows Mobile area on XDA because of its history and once-dominant presence. It's also plausible to see Sailfish, Ubuntu and even webOS here because they're Linux-based as is Android. But to exclude BlackBerry and not Windows Phone 7/8 on the basis of marketshare is, to paraphrase Tony Montana, "a pig that doesn't fly too straight".
Buddy what can i say is BB 10 is just now launched and we didnt even know what it is based on. Xda is place of devs/users for Android, iOS and Windows phones.
Ok just check, in 2007-8 have u been to Xda?? I think no.. why??
Now, we are in stage where we all need to know what BB 10 is giving to us. Over which it is running and how much user capacity is there.
Let Admin/Xda commitee to take decision. May b next step would b adding BB10 support.
Just wait and watch buddy. I thought ur subject of thread will b changed soon.:sly:
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