Today, I had a person say to me that Android will always be playing catch up with Apple. I laughed extremely hard. He then went on to ask me to 'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?' Then I wondered if I could get a thread started stating all the things that Android can do that iOS can't
Kitch16 said:
Today, I had a person say to me that Android will always be playing catch up with Apple. I laughed extremely hard. He then went on to ask me to 'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?' Then I wondered if I could get a thread started stating all the things that Android can do that iOS can't
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Widgets, for example!
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Kitch16 said:
Today, I had a person say to me that Android will always be playing catch up with Apple. I laughed extremely hard. He then went on to ask me to 'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?' Then I wondered if I could get a thread started stating all the things that Android can do that iOS can't
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Yup sadly your friend is right. Google just enhance it and made it open source so all of as can modify our phones to the highest level of customization and tweaks. Apple keep their codes within themselves marketing strategy that's what i call that...
Android have multiple launchers to choose, various screen sizes of android devices... superior hardware exmpl. Tegra 3
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One word is enough to answer him: personalization
But also many Kind of device and design, continous improvement of The user experience
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I really wonder how many custom ROMs they have with drop down toggles ;')
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wow. ummm widgets. notification bar. screen sizes. customization.
Native turn by turn navigation (Apple will add it with iOS 6 for a few selected models)
Widgets
Ability to switch keyboards without SU
Ability to play Flash content in your smartphone
Sideload apps without SU
Deep Social Network integration with the OS (iOS just has Twitter and soon FB integration)
etc.
I could name a few more Android advantages over iOS but at the end of the day what matters is what suits your needs. Despite my love for Android OS and have been using it since the HTC Magic times i can say that my iPad in terms of productivity is way better then a Android tablet, but the same can't be said about iPhone vs my Nexus. My 2 cents.
Nfc, android beam,Cwm, wi-fi direct, Google now........
Just explain to him where Apple got the inspiration for their unique and revolutionary expanded status bar.
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'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?'
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First? Who cares? My OS can beat up your OS? Tell that person to please grow up. It's a mobile phone, not Jesus Christ.
... that Android can do that iOS can't
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Android does what I want it to do. iOS does not.
Strange how some people feel threatened when other people make different choices in life. I have an Android phone. I have no problems with other people having iOS phones. I see it as a boon, actually; when they have problems, I can shrug my shoulders and say, "Sorry, can't help you, I know nothing about iOS".
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Just explain to him where Apple got the inspiration for their unique and revolutionary expanded status bar.
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I always liked how android has all the apps hidden to the point where i don't have to have every app on my screen at once. That to me is really annoying and takes away from the beauty of the phone. Not to mention the ugly badges that the iphone has for notifications.
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First? Who cares? My OS can beat up your OS? Tell that person to please grow up. It's a mobile phone, not Jesus Christ.
Android does what I want it to do. iOS does not.
Strange how some people feel threatened when other people make different choices in life. I have an Android phone. I have no problems with other people having iOS phones. I see it as a boon, actually; when they have problems, I can shrug my shoulders and say, "Sorry, can't help you, I know nothing about iOS".
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I applaud you, good sir. I see/hear too many individuals getting up in arms because someone else likes a different mobile OS. To each, his (or her) own!
How exactly is this about the Nexus S?
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First? Who cares? My OS can beat up your OS? Tell that person to please grow up. It's a mobile phone, not Jesus Christ.
Android does what I want it to do. iOS does not.
Strange how some people feel threatened when other people make different choices in life. I have an Android phone. I have no problems with other people having iOS phones. I see it as a boon, actually; when they have problems, I can shrug my shoulders and say, "Sorry, can't help you, I know nothing about iOS".
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This. /thread
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Apple is encashing loyalty of blind morons very well...
Kitch16 said:
Today, I had a person say to me that Android will always be playing catch up with Apple. I laughed extremely hard. He then went on to ask me to 'Tell me one thing Google have done that hasn't been done by apple first?' Then I wondered if I could get a thread started stating all the things that Android can do that iOS can't
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I was hanging out with my friend (blind ***cough***cough*** hardcore apple ban) on google+ and got into discussion of apple vs android. His exact statement was "Its not about product, price, quality, features or something... Its all about when you are associated to something". Since then I am considering such people totally blind moron and itrolls I don't give a damn what their phone can do I just know my 2 yr old nexus can do much more than their six month old iph4s
Only ppl playing catch up to apple are the manufacturers. Android as an OS has a 54% market share. That 54% is split amongst HTC, Samsung, Motorola etc. While the iOS has a 34% share in the market but that whole 34% is represented by apple.
Manufacturers are behind when it comes to implementation of the OS and the hardware. While Google is ahead with features of their OS compared to iOS.
I think that's what ppl mean when they say Android is playing catch up because other than a few Android phones, none have gotten the recognition of the iPhone. To the majority of consumers, most android phones are "just another phone" ... its sumn I notice everyday when talking to my friends. They don't care about amoled or dual core vs quad core or which gpu is used or what version of android its running. To them its just Android vs iPhone.
Yesterday a friend of mine upgraded from an HTC incredible to a galaxy s3 and she hates it. Yes, she hates it. I know thats just one individuals opinion, but it goes yo show how ppl don't differentiate android phones. To her the incredible was a better fit and its "still android."
To me, it appears that Google is making more of a push to really put their Nexus brand out there. I hope it works but once they push enough units to where they can bring n enough Play Store revenue from nexus devices alone, I can see them making android closed source to create an exclusive ecosystem like apple has. Especially because they have an in house manufacturer in Motorola.
They're already slyly undercutting other Android phone manufacturers by playing to the appeal of having stock Android on the nexus devices and quicker updates.
That'll be bad news for companies enjoying so much success off of Android popularity, but I'm sure they already see this coming if I can.
Right now, Google is letting them stick around because of play store revenue from all the devices.
On another note, if Google is satisfied with the revenue they're bringing n, then I'm wrong, but it looks like they're already going down that path.
Until they do so, Android won't have a "true" iPhone competitor in the eyes of the consumer. Regardless of how many great phones come up a because the stigma of it being just another Android phone.
Just look at eBay. Great Android phones are selling for the same amount as iPhone 3g.... its ridiculous.
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Android in 2008: Custom wallpaper changing included in version 1.0
Apple in 2010: Now in IOS 4, you can pick your own wallpaper!
iSheep: Omg I r can put mai lolcatz in teh backround, I r bettar than andr01d!!!!!one1!!!1!!!!11!!!1111!!!eleven!!!1!
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Android in 2008: Custom wallpaper changing included in version 1.0
Apple in 2010: Now in IOS 4, you can pick your own wallpaper!
iSheep: Omg I r can put mai lolcatz in teh backround, I r bettar than andr01d!!!!!one1!!!1!!!!11!!!1111!!!eleven!!!1!
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Lol if android was playing catch up there wouldn't be so many lawsuits from apple
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Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
Enjoy!
honeycomb is gunna rock peoples socks!
Do they use cdma in other parts of the world?
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Yeah -- have fun with your iPhone then.
HA It wont be dieing for me. I would never pick a iPhone over an android. Android so much more flexible and inventive in my humble opinion.
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Tomorrow does not have an 'a' in it.
And no, the iPhone will not kill the Android no matter what carrier signs it. iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof -- but the more advanced and adept users will always gravitate towards Android (linux) and Corporate users towards Windows.
Besides, iPhones to date have been overpriced and, like Macs, the only way you can run their OS is on their hardware. Android runs on everything from tablets to mp3 players to cell phones across a variety of manufacturers.
I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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Backhand hand smack in the mouth?
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iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof
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awesome dude... share it on twitter xD
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Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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Seriously?? No dev support? Have you taken the phone out of the box and used it?
You do realize that your posting about no dev support on one of the larger dev communities right?
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only used HTC handsets now for maybe 6 years or so, now purely android and a tablet as well.
wife has an iphone 3gs running the new OS on it, had her use my android handset for a week as a test ...
she admitted if it weren't for the games and stupid little bits and bobs she was used to having she'd sell the iphone and switch in a heartbeat but alas not to be
BigBonkers said:
Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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HA! no support from the devs? Try owning a palm pre. I just ditched one for the new evo shift, and so far I am LOVING the amount of support for android
Please don't feed the troll!
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone. As far as the pre i think it has the best os just horrible hardware.
Look at what Nividia showed running on the Tegra chips at CES.....1 year old PORTS of games that run on the Iphone perfectly.
Hardware is fine and dandy but NO SUPPORT guys. Its sad.
I honestly beleive once the iphone comes to verizon noone on BigRed will ever buy an android again. Atleast the common user. Well see soon. This is gonna be fun!!!!!!
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you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone.
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This is just blatantly wrong, so go troll somewhere else -- there's lots of big-name developers on Android, including some from the iPhone world.
And yes, there's lots of garbage on the android market, but it does work. Don't forget that Amazon will be launching their cleaned-up android market this year too.
@burtcom actually your proving my point. please show me ONE app that they focused on the TEGRA chips that isnt on the Iphone??? Please name one? Also Amazon market??? Ummm where is it? Ohhhh its not here yet....oh ok Let me know when it is!
Please name me the developers on Android...... Netflix (not yet)...Gameloft (ummm old ports from iphone) EA.....ummm wheres madden? Oh still in beta?
Dont talk when you have no clue!
Oh and if there are games on Gamelofts site (the Ports) there made for the droid phones and the resolution is way off wack!!! But enjoy
The US is the last place that the iPhone hasn't been available on multiple carriers. The rest of the world has carriers with both the iPhone and Android phones competing directly, and Android is still doing great there. A Verizon iPhone will probably put a dent in their Android handset sales, no doubt, but there's always going to be a segment of the market that want something cheaper, or more powerful.
So no, Android will be just fine after tomorrow.
And apps are not the be all end all. They only matter so much to iPhone because it's basically just a glorified app launcher with a few apps bundled in. You can't even see the current weather without launching an app.
OP, you do realize that the iPhone is available on many major carriers in the the rest of world, right? Do you seriously think the US has the biggest cellphone market? (The answer is no. I'm telling you this since you probably don't know the answer.) Android is still growing at a rapid rate and taking up market share in the rest of the world. We shall see how the iPhone 4 does IN THE US when it comes to Verizon. If iPhone 4 Verizon does destroy the Android, then Android will die ONLY in the US, not the rest of the world.
So what if many apps are ported from the iPhone? Why don't you ask why those developers are porting their apps over to Android if they don't see the potential of Android?
Technically, Android has the best developer that no iPhone developers can compare - Google itself. Where did iPhone's Maps and Youtube apps come from? Which OS has the better Google apps?
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good.
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You didn't ask, you simply implied that iOS is better. People here are just disagreeing with you. And most of your arguments are surrounding the game department of the iOS. What else do you have? Even if you bring some more things on the table, you still can't argue what I wrote in my first few paragraphs. Enjoy the iPhone. I honestly think it is a great phone, but I hope you didn't type your posts using the iPhone. If so, learn how to fully use your iPhone please, otherwise it would just be a waste, no offense.
When people keep talking about apps apps apps for iPhone, they are just talking about games. Really, ask any iPhone users what awesome apps they are talking about that aren't games, and they will not have an answer for you. Or name apps that also exist on Android. Netflix? Yeah, its pretty cool. But its not like its been out all that long for iPhone, and the video selection is pretty limited, AND it will be out for Android anytime now, since it was already leaked at CES.
Seriously, how many games do you need? I love playing games as much (probably more) than the next guy. And there is plenty on Android, and developer support is growing. If you need more games than available on Android, its pretty likely that you need to spend more time on other activities besides playing little casual games on your phone.
Besides, not all developers are in love with Apple. Look at Adobe and PrimeSense (the original developer of the XBox 360 Kinect controller). These are important players, that were completely turned off by Apple's need to domineer and control, and eventually gave up on Apple.
The OP implies that the only reason that not everyone owns an iPhone, is because they are tied to Verizon. There are plenty of people like me that have been on AT&T forever, but have no interest in the iPhone. AT&T customer for over a decade, and I've never owned an iPhone, and never will. If Apple had their way, there would be no variety in hardware, or how we use our phones. There will always be people that find these types of limitations suffocating and unacceptable. Some of us like to have the choice of more than one form factor (say a larger screen, or a smaller one, or a hardware keyboard), or to have a homescreen that isn't just a near-useless grid of shortcuts. It would be a sad place where only one device could exist. Luckily, things don't work that way, and there is always room for competition in just about any business. So with any luck, Android won't be going anywhere soon.
Sure the iPhone is popular. But saying an OS is doomed just because its not the most popular platform, and doesn't have the most games, then that's the same as saying Mac computer shouldn't exist either.
Android won't die tomorrow
But troll should die today
I don't know about others but to me a cell its more like a helping hand or what ever you like to call it. Atleast for the tech lovers like me. But we all have different ways of doing our day to day stuffs. Android appreciates and compliments that. That's why I will go for Android. For the level of freedom it gives you, not how many new cookies it have in the box.
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Android is for guys..... iOS is for girls. Really!
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I want to hear your thoughts as why not to buy any other type of phone. Mainly because I need debate ammunition for my friends as they all traded up to Blackberry 9900s, and are now badgering me to switch over (which I never would). Thats like going back to the stone age right?
Thoughts on android vs. everything else? blackberries?
Discuss
It only does everything.
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Android is my OS of choice because the source code that my device is operating off of resides on my Ubuntu server at home.
My entire microSD is backed up when I connect to my home WiFi. This means that my pics/videos/etc are all managed by me on my own personal server. No iCloud or Picasa or Dropbox. Me.
I can freely install any app I want from any source including XDA-developers.com or Amazon Appstore.
Tasker.
Voice Search can do the most important thing a voice command app should: initiate navigation while I'm driving.
Because Google's servers are always accessible.
Bye bye BB.
Greetz
midnightmach said:
I want to hear your thoughts as why not to buy any other type of phone. Mainly because I need debate ammunition for my friends as they all traded up to Blackberry 9900s, and are now badgering me to switch over (which I never would). Thats like going back to the stone age right?
Thoughts on android vs. everything else? blackberries?
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If you need our help to answer the question maybe you aren't ready for an Android device. Blackberry or iPhone would suit you well.
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Just get an iPhone because obviously you do not know why Android is the best mobile OS right now.
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midnightmach said:
I want to hear your thoughts as why not to buy any other type of phone. Mainly because I need debate ammunition for my friends as they all traded up to Blackberry 9900s, and are now badgering me to switch over (which I never would).
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Android isn't necessarily better, it just has different strengths and weaknesses compared to the others.
As to possible replies to your badgering friends:
- This works for me, why should I change?
- I'm a leader, not a follower.
- Why do you care? It's just a phone.
- It's against my religious principles.
- My (insert family member) was killed by a Blackberry. Thanks for bringing it up, you insensitive clod!
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My entire microSD is backed up when I connect to my home WiFi.
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How do you do that? Was looking for a working solution for a while but couldn't find one
Android is better because its my latest choice
Android is not necessarily the best for everyone. It has its weaknesses. But with that being said, Android suits my needs the best and that is why I think it's the best compared to other options.
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I want to hear your thoughts as why not to buy any other type of phone. Mainly because I need debate ammunition for my friends as they all traded up to Blackberry 9900s, and are now badgering me to switch over (which I never would). Thats like going back to the stone age right?
Thoughts on android vs. everything else? blackberries?
Discuss
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Android steals and infringes on all the best ideas from all the other companies!
Open source...the end
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**this post is not designed to be rude**
If I knew literally nothing about smartphones and all the fun things I could do with them, or if I was interested in copying celebrities and young children, I would pick an iphone or blackberry.
Unfortunatly im interested in more freedom, interesting development community and customizing in all aspects. Android for me.
Well, Android is not appropriate for people that are tech illiterate and don't want to learn or will never learn, imo.
When I went to my phone carrier's booth to get back my Nexus S from RMA, a blond girl just exchanged her Blackberry for a Nexus S and she seemed completely clueless about how the phone worked and how to put music on it.
well, i never used other OS such ad iOS or blackberry.
for me 1. i like that robot image
2. much ROM i can choose and do my own modification
3. made by google, i have been using Gmail for 5years, so it's kinda influenced my choice.
4. friend suggested and i trust him
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Why android? To each their own,but for me...
- flexibility and personalization
- community of developers that push the limits of the device to do new things
- on principle, android isn't a status symbol like the iphone or other apple products
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Why android? To each their own,but for me...
- flexibility and personalization
- community of developers that push the limits of the device to do new things
- on principle, android isn't a status symbol like the iphone or other apple products
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Best answer. Closed topic!
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Android steals and infringes on all the best ideas from all the other companies!
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actually , all companies steal ideas from each other
This is something that I had encountered before. I have this close friend, we both done IT in our Universities but took different paths. He is the middle IT guy that just one to get things done and go home to play video games and does not enjoy IT as hole much.
He is an Apple addicted as it´s best. The same old speech: "It just works".
I told him, well, now that you choose to be a ***** Jedi that follows your Yoda master everywhere (not now as it´s dead), let me show you one thing that my Android does.
I opened my WfiKill app, and killed his connection to the world. I look into his eyes and said, see, I can cut you out of business and all your "Just Works" crap doesn't work anymore.
Moral is, it´s not what you do that makes you a smart person (Not all IT people thinks like it "should"), but is rather your "always on" feeling that something you do or have could be better. No Blackberry, no iOS and even WP7 at some extent will satisfies that feeling.
The HUGE IRONY is that the person who made the iPhone so desired by millions had the same thought of "seeking perfection" that most people here have. The difference is that on an iOS perspective, only Jobs, could do what we do with our Androids.
So you choose, you just use whatever Apple, or RIM, or MSFT wants you to use, or you switch to Android if you feel that what they want YOU to use is not enought.
For me is NEVER enought. Thanks XDA to allow me to keep feeding this awesome feeling of discovery and creativity which differentiates me from the "others".
Hey I know why I love my android, and for me it simply comes down to customization. When ever i get bored of the phone I flash a new rom. See how high I can get my Quadrant score. Mostly I love the screen the phone is pure eye candy... Super AMOLED + Voodoo control is amazing.
I know why i love android, I wanted to know why you love it and why you think it is the best. Don't be mistaken I am android fanboy... but not to the extent of some people on this forum. I think iphone and blackberry both have their advantages too. Thanks for the great responses.
Hello after hearing about apple reaching 500 billion dollar, my question is what does android need to do to become a serious competitor to apple so that people would rather buy android then an iphone? What does apple have in the iPhone and ipad that android dosent? I would like to see some opinions of what you all think thanks
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Apple has always been the underdog lol Android is still new so it will be at the top in due time.
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Apple has always been the underdog lol Android is still new so it will be at the top in due time.
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Well in phones I meant ever since the iPhone came out and iPad everyone is going crazy about there products, I'm not sure why when they have no where near the selection of android
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Android users need Watson, that would literally kick the $*it out of siri. I mean that would be amazing- doctors, researchers in the field, really just anyone in the sciences could use it and the average person could enjoy it as well as learn from it. Android is the perfect channel to reach all sectors and the general public with such a new and really amazing technology.
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Android users need Watson, that would literally kick the $*it out of siri. I mean that would be amazing- doctors, researchers in the field, really just anyone in the sciences could use it and the average person could enjoy it as well as learn from it. Android is the perfect channel to reach all sectors and the general public with such a new and really amazing technology.
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Yes the technology is far past apple, in my opinion android will be the future, I try to write what I imagine in the future of technology but I can't put it in words
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I see Android the same way I do Linux. It will attract the true techies but but for the average user it will not appeal to theme as it takes to much work to get it just right and most people are just to lazy
IMHO is the main difference between android and iOS, that android is more customizable and, with that, its more complicated. So, most people who only want to have a working phone which is looking good and don't want to learn anything bout software will buy an iPhone. Because its simpler.
I think android will be catshing up with apple, because it's only getting better, it is open source, the phones is cheaper and more options to change the apperence of the phone!
Why, isn't it the number one OS yet?
Hey thank you all for your replies, I was at best buy couple week ago and a person was looking to buy a android tablet or an ipad 2, I was next to the person when I was playing with a tablet and he asked me do you no what is better? Ipad 2 or this tablet? (He was looking at the Asus transformer) I told him Asus was, but he end up buying the ipad because his Droid phone always get a virus, freezes and so now he thinks all android are like that....if he only knew
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Hello after hearing about apple reaching 500 billion dollar, my question is what does android need to do to become a serious competitor to apple so that people would rather buy android then an iphone? What does apple have in the iPhone and ipad that android dosent? I would like to see some opinions of what you all think thanks
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You can't entirely confuse profits with marketshare (which Android has 51% of, I think they were saying). Apple is able to get away with a higher price markup for lesser specs because
0) low price elasticity - iSheep will continue to buy and to rationalize their mother company no matter what
1) they're facing no competition from other, similar iPhone makers, unlike android makers who compete with each other in both specs and price
2) they slice down anything that even vaguely resembles competition with lawsuits (even where they're clearly not making iPhones)
3) the brand itself has become so hyped that it's able to continue to get new users - I guess you could count this as marketing
They still have a much greater stranglehold on the pad market, so a lot of the profits probably come from that.
Finally, if you believe this post at least, Apple is able to squeeze more profits from the way our carriers and subsidies work. Nowadays, it's standard for the carrier to bundle phones along with their services, in a dual-pay system (the carrier "subsidizes" part of the phone cost in exchange for a contract). Because of Apple's particular market power (users might switch to another carrier if the other has iPhone and they don't), they are able to demand that carriers subsidize more while taking away the profits. That way, they make more money without directly charging the buyers. Indirectly, of course, the carriers probably pay for this through increased fees in general, which means that everyone ends up sponsoring the iPhone.
In other words, they've successfully managed to implement an "iPhone tax". Isn't bundling the greatest thing ever?
As for how to make Android better, updates and better phone compatibility is definitely an issue. ICS, for example, needed to be available quickly for multiple devices as soon as it's released. There really is no way to do this, except.. release it earlier. Have a completely open beta, like the Linux kernel, so that everyone can get compatibility working from day -100 onwards. If flashiness (and non-copying by Apple) is an issue, at least give the manufacturers early access to it, so that they're able to start working on device compatibility right away.
Meanwhile, unfettered by bureaucracy, custom roms are churning out faster than any manufacturer ever could. You could have updates and features faster than you ever thought possible; the average user, however, doesn't know enough, or isn't confident enough to go through the installation process. Google should include an easy ROM installer/backup utility by default. That way, the users get a full taste of the speed and power of openness, which really is so intoxicating that they'll never go back to a closed system ever again.
(They could even put start posting up their own custom ROMs! Imagine what their developers could do, unhindered by the megacompany issues. We would have updates, the like of which we've never seen before.)
If Android was optimized to run perfectly on one core just like Windows Phone 7 than I can see a lot of people using it. When I talk to Android users who don't know anything about custom roms/root they complain about force closes and applications not working. Also how there phone slows down.
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Yeah, agree with two posts above... The slow spread of Android 4.0 is only good for Apple, the big companies should realize that they're depending on the users liking android, and you will not get them to like Android with refusing to give them updates. Sometimes I think they are not able to look into the nearer future to see what's necessary for them...
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great info everyone yes I do notice a bit of a slow down on android 4.0 but I'm on a single core device, hopefully by summer they can find a solution to make android 4.0 more stable and better performance, I feel that the android team is working fast to come up with a software that would bring iPhone users to android, but when iPhone 5 comes out I hope some android phone company's have something up there sleeve that will be able to compete with apple
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Right now there on the right path to becoming number one in the market, what i think they need to do to become number one.
all official releases of android to be the same across all phones, things like TouchWiz to be scraped altogether
moderation on the market to stop useless buggy apps from making the market look bad
an android OS for desktops/laptops that will run consumer products
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Better hardware acceleration on all applications.
I think that iPhone as an advantage : there is only one model.
So you can find dock for desktop, car, audio, ...
Android is only the softwar and each constructor have to make is own accessories and so on.
In my opinion, one major problem of Android devices is about fragmentation.. I hope that Android OEMs can release updates for all devices faster.
mikebzh44 said:
I think that iPhone as an advantage : there is only one model.
So you can find dock for desktop, car, audio, ...
Android is only the softwar and each constructor have to make is own accessories and so on.
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Yes that's true but there is more money to be made in the android market rather then the iPhone. There are ALOT of brands and generics that make the same accessorizes for the iPhone and each brand is struggling to make money when they all make the same product, unlike android. Verity is better
http://brianshall.com/content/android-dead
Anyone read this ?
I don't know where to start but suffice to say that his facts are wrong not least the one saying no new android phone can compare to iphone. Pretty sure the quad core sgs3 can.
Also samsungs market share recently overtook apples yet he says apple is way ahead.
Most of the report is factually incorrect opinion not news.
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This is nothing more than opinion and partial facts/ incorrect facts. There is no doubt the iPhone/iPad sell better. There is also little argument that Android missed the mark with their tablets/tablet marketing. But in no way is Android dying.
I would counter this article with how long will iPhone users upgrade to the same exact device with the same non evolving software before they start to get bored? I couldn't bring myself to buy a 4 after my 3g because the device bored the hell out of me. I walked into the Apple store, picked up a 4 and said to myself why in the hell would I lock into two more years, they practically changed nothing.
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I think his numbers are wrong...
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
Lol, this is funny.
zharkov said:
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
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He hit the nail on the head. The iphone carries the user friendly market, as long as there are techies(men) and those who simply don't follow the crowd android will thrive. I do agree that Google should implement some kind of OS requirements, as many devices that could be running ICS are not, but to the previous comment of I walked in and said this really isn't any different than the 3g...that is pretty much it...apple will be apple, android is at least fresh in this perspective.
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According to Horace Dediu/Asymco, Apple is now taking 73% of the smartphone industry's profits, with Samsung capturing 26%.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
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And that everyone includes Huwai and ZTE, LG and Sony, Motorola, Dell (sorta), HP (I think) and a host of other very large, once-capable companies.
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How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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Nobody wants an Android tablet.
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The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
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Almost no one has the latest version of Android.
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It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
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The companies that most aggressively marketed the "Android" brand, particularly Motorola and HTC, are floundering. Samsung, you will notice, markets Samsung.
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Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
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App developers continue to make far more money off iOS.
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Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
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Google is *losing* money on Android.
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If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
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The Oracle trial made clear that Android was designed for a small screen with a physical keyboard -- thus, not optimized for the touchscreen revolution.
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Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
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I seriously doubt any Android device will rival iPhone 4S -- even by the time of the next iPhone.
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I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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Unless the next iphone gets larger there's only so much you can shoehorn into a smaller form factor in which case apple customers could start looking elsewhere but as it stands there are a few android phones that could beat iphone including the s3 and optimus lte2.
But if android were dead then samsung lg and htc would all be failing miserably and their not.
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Lol, this is funny.
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Yep, very funny since he's comparing a SO with a phone (hardware vs. software? WTF)
BTW, that a phone is the most sold not mean that phone is the best, only mean that have better marketing. In many countries, iDevice = high social status (what a sh!t, it isn't?).
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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This is one of the more interesting questions. I do believe that Apple revenue of course includes the app sales. Does anybody know more about this point?
And what about HTC? Look here!
sunilkumar.maharana said:
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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My opinion is that Android is more secure than iOS. It is open-source, so anyone can look at the code (most of it anyway), find issues, fix them, and then submit the fix for inclusion in the next update. There is also SEAndroid being worked on by the same group that does SELinux. Apple is closed source, so when a problem is found, you have to wait for Apple to fix it. You can't tell when the fix will come, or if it will even come. Nor do you have the option to include the fix yourself, as there is no way to patch it without the source to build from.
Isn't the iPhone security able to be easily bypassed by anyone, regardless of the phone being locked or not? Android seems to be the more secure platform for most things from what I've seen, but I'm not a security researcher, so anything is possible.
another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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You said it m8
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
I think when the general population talk about the IPHONE they don't think of iOS but the Form factor of the phone. I also think that the general non techie population doesn't really know what Android REALLY is. This why every phone that's not an iPhone is considered a "Droid" to them.
Non techie people are seduced by the shiny and admittingly good design of the iPhone and as long as Facebook and Instagram works on it they are happy and they "love their iphone".
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Wow :what: where to start. The incorrect " facts " . The overt Apple fanboy flare. The way he should've started is by saying, " all the information you are about to given is conjecture and opinion " . Well I guess that's why some people buy, Apple products. Then there are those that think, research, and make the smart choice, Android.
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alunral said:
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
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Its not that ipad has a name for itself, its that apple had a name for itself a long time ago. When the iPod came out it was a big hit. It then evolved into the iPod touch, which was alright for a while. Then they made the iPhone. Everyone was already hooked on apples products, thus not giveing android too much of a chance. Except for those who want something different, so they went and got an android. Slowly people are going to leave the iPhone cause they are going to get bored of the same old SH*T. Basicly the iPod is apples reputation. The ios is boring and kinda plain.
Who cares about what sells better? How about what performs better? And I know I would much rather be able to do whatever the hell I want with the phone like customizing, and tweaking the phone to run faster, and not having to pay for everything. And you can't even do anything on the computer without a jailbreak or being annoyingly restricted to iTunes!
IPhone sucks! ANDROID RULES!!!
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This is quite simple to respond to. IPhone is for mainstream users, every friend of mine says iPhone is the best phone until I show them some android devices. We live in a world where all the crap which has an apple on the back is better by the eyes of people that don't even know what the market has to offer.
Another thing is, android is still growing, and iOS has much has it keep evolving, I believe it's pretty much that: a phone with the homescreen full of icons and with no customizing whatsoever; a phone that in my opinion gives a terrible user experience.
I'm no fan of Samsung devices but it's true they're doing a great job on expanding android.
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Not sure where to post this, but I thought I'd share this with you since I am surprised that this has not received more attention. I searched the internet and couldn't find anything about it...
Apple is censoring any mention of the word "Android" in their App Store reviews. I wrote a review for an app and mentioned something about the Android version being better and my review was not published. I thought maybe it was because I said something positive about Android, but after doing some further experiments I found that they censored any mention of the word Android. So, I started using the word "And.roid" or "Andr-oid" or some variation, and those reviews made it through the filters and were published. If you have an iOS device try it out yourself. I haven't tried other keywords like Blackberry or Windows, but I should try those as well.
I can't believe how pathetic Apple has become. They are so insecure that they have to censor any mention of Android. If you're Android fan, be sure to write some reviews about how great And.roid is. Maybe Apple will get the hint that censorship is not the answer...okay, now I know I'm dreaming...
True, apple is afraid to see themselves crumble after losing so many people
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Great find, Thanks for sharing. Trule shows how bad Apple really is.
Whereas Google shamelessly showed plenty of Apple products on their last I/O conference.
Apple sucks, they act like children.
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I contacted Apple support about this and after they "looked into it" this is the response I got:
"Hi, (name removed for privacy)!
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> (name removed for privacy) here again with iTunes store support. Forgive me, in my previous response I meant to address your review issue. We were unable to find anything on our end that would prevent you from publishing reviews. I don't believe we have any type of filter regarding Android, and Apple, did the comments you have successfully published have the same comments as the ones that did not publish?
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> I look forward to hearing from you soon, (name removed for privacy) here again with iTunes store support. Thank you for being part of the iTunes family!
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> Please note: Monday-Friday 8:00 AM-4:30PM"
So, I wrote back to them and told them that any mention of Android was definitely rejected. I also told them that if I misspelled Android the review was published, but if I later went back and edited the review changing only "And.roid" to "Android" the review was immediately removed. If I edited it again from "Android" back to "And.roid", the review was published again. I did not hear back from Apple after that.
Apple just doesnt want to lose more market share lol. They used to control the smartphone market but now android has like 63% and apple has around 30%. Not sure if those numbers are exact but they are close to that.
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This is not very surprising. Apple needs to anything that they can to not lose any more customers because android is in fact doing better than IOS.
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I might go and post some reviews, explaining why I prefer iOS to Android and then ask them why it's not been published
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Apple just doesnt want to lose more market share lol. They used to control the smartphone market but now android has like 63% and apple has around 30%. Not sure if those numbers are exact but they are close to that.
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Three words: Apple goes bankrupt. PERIOD.
lol ironic, Apple says they like to go for "perfection".
Well now apple redefines "perfection" . Sign of bankruptcy.
Pathethic. The top company in the world being so childish.
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Apple let me down if this is true
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Apple are a manipulative bunch of liars
Following the news that NSA had planted backdoors in Android warmly accepted by Google (well, not in so many words, but who's going to believe that NSA's contribution to Android has nothing to do with backdoors?), Apple (who of course have also facilitated NSA access to the massive database of information gleaned from their own spying on their users) deviantly claimed that they "never allow any third party code in their products", intending to insinuate that secret Apple proprietory solutions are better than open source Android because open source Android code has NSA code contributions that Apple would "never allow".
Of course, since all apple software is proprietory and its source code secret, we just have to believe their honest words since nobody could ever verify that there are no NSA backdoors in Apple products. Do Apple merit our trust? Ha!!! They even censor the word Android out of reviews of their products, and then lie about the filters they have put in place. Given the sort of manipulative and exploitative behaviour Apple indulges in on a daily basis, I'd say they are no more to be trusted than the US government.
Hm..this is interesting but something I'm not suprised apple would do. It does seem that they are losing the phone market. I recently fired up my ipod touch to find that there was no more installious or as much development in the cydia community...at least not even close to what android phones have.
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Three words: Apple goes bankrupt. PERIOD.
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Apple bankrupt? Novel thought, but completely unrealistic...
I'd be interested to see if they can manage to coin the next big thing like they did the smartphone, but my money is on Google for that nowadays.
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What did you expect from Apple? They stopped innovating a long time ago, now they're only good at patent trolling and decelerating developement.
apple is THIS much pathetic?! for goodness sake, what the hell do they think they're gonna get from such an idiotic behavior?
this really sound like apple is getting more and more nazi towards android, to the point of censoring the name itself
how low the monster has sunk
I have heard about many users who switch from iphones to android terming their new experience to be 'exotic' and 'awesome' but I have hardly heard about android user switching to iphones and said anything extraordinary. I think apple iphone's hardware is amazing. From the design to performance, it is great. But the biggest letdown with iphones is iOS. iOS still looks, feels, the same after so many years. Yes they have changed the look a little in iOS7 but it is still the same old thing. I am not a big fan of customization but it still bugs me to use iphones that still looks the same when I owned iphone 3g.
Hah this is hilarious.
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Apple has always gone for simplistic, low/no maint, etc.
They would rather charge more and make everything 'just work' without giving you the options and customization (aka make their QA much harder)
Apples to oranges...erm...androids I suppose, it's hard (for me) to compare them on the same level.