Hello after hearing about apple reaching 500 billion dollar, my question is what does android need to do to become a serious competitor to apple so that people would rather buy android then an iphone? What does apple have in the iPhone and ipad that android dosent? I would like to see some opinions of what you all think thanks
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Apple has always been the underdog lol Android is still new so it will be at the top in due time.
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Apple has always been the underdog lol Android is still new so it will be at the top in due time.
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Well in phones I meant ever since the iPhone came out and iPad everyone is going crazy about there products, I'm not sure why when they have no where near the selection of android
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Android users need Watson, that would literally kick the $*it out of siri. I mean that would be amazing- doctors, researchers in the field, really just anyone in the sciences could use it and the average person could enjoy it as well as learn from it. Android is the perfect channel to reach all sectors and the general public with such a new and really amazing technology.
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Android users need Watson, that would literally kick the $*it out of siri. I mean that would be amazing- doctors, researchers in the field, really just anyone in the sciences could use it and the average person could enjoy it as well as learn from it. Android is the perfect channel to reach all sectors and the general public with such a new and really amazing technology.
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Yes the technology is far past apple, in my opinion android will be the future, I try to write what I imagine in the future of technology but I can't put it in words
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I see Android the same way I do Linux. It will attract the true techies but but for the average user it will not appeal to theme as it takes to much work to get it just right and most people are just to lazy
IMHO is the main difference between android and iOS, that android is more customizable and, with that, its more complicated. So, most people who only want to have a working phone which is looking good and don't want to learn anything bout software will buy an iPhone. Because its simpler.
I think android will be catshing up with apple, because it's only getting better, it is open source, the phones is cheaper and more options to change the apperence of the phone!
Why, isn't it the number one OS yet?
Hey thank you all for your replies, I was at best buy couple week ago and a person was looking to buy a android tablet or an ipad 2, I was next to the person when I was playing with a tablet and he asked me do you no what is better? Ipad 2 or this tablet? (He was looking at the Asus transformer) I told him Asus was, but he end up buying the ipad because his Droid phone always get a virus, freezes and so now he thinks all android are like that....if he only knew
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Android311 said:
Hello after hearing about apple reaching 500 billion dollar, my question is what does android need to do to become a serious competitor to apple so that people would rather buy android then an iphone? What does apple have in the iPhone and ipad that android dosent? I would like to see some opinions of what you all think thanks
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You can't entirely confuse profits with marketshare (which Android has 51% of, I think they were saying). Apple is able to get away with a higher price markup for lesser specs because
0) low price elasticity - iSheep will continue to buy and to rationalize their mother company no matter what
1) they're facing no competition from other, similar iPhone makers, unlike android makers who compete with each other in both specs and price
2) they slice down anything that even vaguely resembles competition with lawsuits (even where they're clearly not making iPhones)
3) the brand itself has become so hyped that it's able to continue to get new users - I guess you could count this as marketing
They still have a much greater stranglehold on the pad market, so a lot of the profits probably come from that.
Finally, if you believe this post at least, Apple is able to squeeze more profits from the way our carriers and subsidies work. Nowadays, it's standard for the carrier to bundle phones along with their services, in a dual-pay system (the carrier "subsidizes" part of the phone cost in exchange for a contract). Because of Apple's particular market power (users might switch to another carrier if the other has iPhone and they don't), they are able to demand that carriers subsidize more while taking away the profits. That way, they make more money without directly charging the buyers. Indirectly, of course, the carriers probably pay for this through increased fees in general, which means that everyone ends up sponsoring the iPhone.
In other words, they've successfully managed to implement an "iPhone tax". Isn't bundling the greatest thing ever?
As for how to make Android better, updates and better phone compatibility is definitely an issue. ICS, for example, needed to be available quickly for multiple devices as soon as it's released. There really is no way to do this, except.. release it earlier. Have a completely open beta, like the Linux kernel, so that everyone can get compatibility working from day -100 onwards. If flashiness (and non-copying by Apple) is an issue, at least give the manufacturers early access to it, so that they're able to start working on device compatibility right away.
Meanwhile, unfettered by bureaucracy, custom roms are churning out faster than any manufacturer ever could. You could have updates and features faster than you ever thought possible; the average user, however, doesn't know enough, or isn't confident enough to go through the installation process. Google should include an easy ROM installer/backup utility by default. That way, the users get a full taste of the speed and power of openness, which really is so intoxicating that they'll never go back to a closed system ever again.
(They could even put start posting up their own custom ROMs! Imagine what their developers could do, unhindered by the megacompany issues. We would have updates, the like of which we've never seen before.)
If Android was optimized to run perfectly on one core just like Windows Phone 7 than I can see a lot of people using it. When I talk to Android users who don't know anything about custom roms/root they complain about force closes and applications not working. Also how there phone slows down.
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Yeah, agree with two posts above... The slow spread of Android 4.0 is only good for Apple, the big companies should realize that they're depending on the users liking android, and you will not get them to like Android with refusing to give them updates. Sometimes I think they are not able to look into the nearer future to see what's necessary for them...
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great info everyone yes I do notice a bit of a slow down on android 4.0 but I'm on a single core device, hopefully by summer they can find a solution to make android 4.0 more stable and better performance, I feel that the android team is working fast to come up with a software that would bring iPhone users to android, but when iPhone 5 comes out I hope some android phone company's have something up there sleeve that will be able to compete with apple
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Right now there on the right path to becoming number one in the market, what i think they need to do to become number one.
all official releases of android to be the same across all phones, things like TouchWiz to be scraped altogether
moderation on the market to stop useless buggy apps from making the market look bad
an android OS for desktops/laptops that will run consumer products
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Better hardware acceleration on all applications.
I think that iPhone as an advantage : there is only one model.
So you can find dock for desktop, car, audio, ...
Android is only the softwar and each constructor have to make is own accessories and so on.
In my opinion, one major problem of Android devices is about fragmentation.. I hope that Android OEMs can release updates for all devices faster.
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I think that iPhone as an advantage : there is only one model.
So you can find dock for desktop, car, audio, ...
Android is only the softwar and each constructor have to make is own accessories and so on.
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Yes that's true but there is more money to be made in the android market rather then the iPhone. There are ALOT of brands and generics that make the same accessorizes for the iPhone and each brand is struggling to make money when they all make the same product, unlike android. Verity is better
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Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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Yeah -- have fun with your iPhone then.
HA It wont be dieing for me. I would never pick a iPhone over an android. Android so much more flexible and inventive in my humble opinion.
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Tomorrow does not have an 'a' in it.
And no, the iPhone will not kill the Android no matter what carrier signs it. iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof -- but the more advanced and adept users will always gravitate towards Android (linux) and Corporate users towards Windows.
Besides, iPhones to date have been overpriced and, like Macs, the only way you can run their OS is on their hardware. Android runs on everything from tablets to mp3 players to cell phones across a variety of manufacturers.
I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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I mean, you're essentially asking if Betty Crocker Instant Mashed Potatoes are going to hurt the sale of spuds. The only real answer is a smack in the mouth.
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Backhand hand smack in the mouth?
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iPhones share the same traits as Macs -- pretty, easy to use, and nearly idiot-proof
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awesome dude... share it on twitter xD
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Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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Seriously?? No dev support? Have you taken the phone out of the box and used it?
You do realize that your posting about no dev support on one of the larger dev communities right?
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wife has an iphone 3gs running the new OS on it, had her use my android handset for a week as a test ...
she admitted if it weren't for the games and stupid little bits and bobs she was used to having she'd sell the iphone and switch in a heartbeat but alas not to be
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Will Android Die tommarrow once the Iphone is announced for Verizon? I think so. As a former 5 time Android phone user I cant wait. I gave the robot every chance. But without the support of Devs making applications an OS is useless.
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HA! no support from the devs? Try owning a palm pre. I just ditched one for the new evo shift, and so far I am LOVING the amount of support for android
Please don't feed the troll!
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone. As far as the pre i think it has the best os just horrible hardware.
Look at what Nividia showed running on the Tegra chips at CES.....1 year old PORTS of games that run on the Iphone perfectly.
Hardware is fine and dandy but NO SUPPORT guys. Its sad.
I honestly beleive once the iphone comes to verizon noone on BigRed will ever buy an android again. Atleast the common user. Well see soon. This is gonna be fun!!!!!!
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you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good. Android has a horrible market which rarely works. The apps are 2 year old ports from the iphone.
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This is just blatantly wrong, so go troll somewhere else -- there's lots of big-name developers on Android, including some from the iPhone world.
And yes, there's lots of garbage on the android market, but it does work. Don't forget that Amazon will be launching their cleaned-up android market this year too.
@burtcom actually your proving my point. please show me ONE app that they focused on the TEGRA chips that isnt on the Iphone??? Please name one? Also Amazon market??? Ummm where is it? Ohhhh its not here yet....oh ok Let me know when it is!
Please name me the developers on Android...... Netflix (not yet)...Gameloft (ummm old ports from iphone) EA.....ummm wheres madden? Oh still in beta?
Dont talk when you have no clue!
Oh and if there are games on Gamelofts site (the Ports) there made for the droid phones and the resolution is way off wack!!! But enjoy
The US is the last place that the iPhone hasn't been available on multiple carriers. The rest of the world has carriers with both the iPhone and Android phones competing directly, and Android is still doing great there. A Verizon iPhone will probably put a dent in their Android handset sales, no doubt, but there's always going to be a segment of the market that want something cheaper, or more powerful.
So no, Android will be just fine after tomorrow.
And apps are not the be all end all. They only matter so much to iPhone because it's basically just a glorified app launcher with a few apps bundled in. You can't even see the current weather without launching an app.
OP, you do realize that the iPhone is available on many major carriers in the the rest of world, right? Do you seriously think the US has the biggest cellphone market? (The answer is no. I'm telling you this since you probably don't know the answer.) Android is still growing at a rapid rate and taking up market share in the rest of the world. We shall see how the iPhone 4 does IN THE US when it comes to Verizon. If iPhone 4 Verizon does destroy the Android, then Android will die ONLY in the US, not the rest of the world.
So what if many apps are ported from the iPhone? Why don't you ask why those developers are porting their apps over to Android if they don't see the potential of Android?
Technically, Android has the best developer that no iPhone developers can compare - Google itself. Where did iPhone's Maps and Youtube apps come from? Which OS has the better Google apps?
you see now I never asked which was a better os......i stated that without support from TRUE developers making apps a OS is no Good.
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You didn't ask, you simply implied that iOS is better. People here are just disagreeing with you. And most of your arguments are surrounding the game department of the iOS. What else do you have? Even if you bring some more things on the table, you still can't argue what I wrote in my first few paragraphs. Enjoy the iPhone. I honestly think it is a great phone, but I hope you didn't type your posts using the iPhone. If so, learn how to fully use your iPhone please, otherwise it would just be a waste, no offense.
When people keep talking about apps apps apps for iPhone, they are just talking about games. Really, ask any iPhone users what awesome apps they are talking about that aren't games, and they will not have an answer for you. Or name apps that also exist on Android. Netflix? Yeah, its pretty cool. But its not like its been out all that long for iPhone, and the video selection is pretty limited, AND it will be out for Android anytime now, since it was already leaked at CES.
Seriously, how many games do you need? I love playing games as much (probably more) than the next guy. And there is plenty on Android, and developer support is growing. If you need more games than available on Android, its pretty likely that you need to spend more time on other activities besides playing little casual games on your phone.
Besides, not all developers are in love with Apple. Look at Adobe and PrimeSense (the original developer of the XBox 360 Kinect controller). These are important players, that were completely turned off by Apple's need to domineer and control, and eventually gave up on Apple.
The OP implies that the only reason that not everyone owns an iPhone, is because they are tied to Verizon. There are plenty of people like me that have been on AT&T forever, but have no interest in the iPhone. AT&T customer for over a decade, and I've never owned an iPhone, and never will. If Apple had their way, there would be no variety in hardware, or how we use our phones. There will always be people that find these types of limitations suffocating and unacceptable. Some of us like to have the choice of more than one form factor (say a larger screen, or a smaller one, or a hardware keyboard), or to have a homescreen that isn't just a near-useless grid of shortcuts. It would be a sad place where only one device could exist. Luckily, things don't work that way, and there is always room for competition in just about any business. So with any luck, Android won't be going anywhere soon.
Sure the iPhone is popular. But saying an OS is doomed just because its not the most popular platform, and doesn't have the most games, then that's the same as saying Mac computer shouldn't exist either.
Android won't die tomorrow
But troll should die today
I don't know about others but to me a cell its more like a helping hand or what ever you like to call it. Atleast for the tech lovers like me. But we all have different ways of doing our day to day stuffs. Android appreciates and compliments that. That's why I will go for Android. For the level of freedom it gives you, not how many new cookies it have in the box.
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Android is for guys..... iOS is for girls. Really!
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It really doesn't matter what type of outstanding specs these guys put in the upcoming android phones, Apple's Iphone is the number one phone out there. These manufacturers have forgotten that it was Apple that brought the price of smartphones down drastically. You don't beat the number one product on the market by charging MORE for your product.
Now that Apple is on multiple carriers, Android cannot afford to make such critical mistakes. The recently announced prices on upcoming android devices have made me wait for news on the IPHONE 5. I will pay MORE for the number one phone, but damned if I'm going to pay MORE for a phone that doesn't even receive updates till the next model.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
Yet you come here claiming that the Iphone 4 or yet to be release Iphone 5 is "the number one phone", by who's standard? Sales? Yes, Apple has an outstanding marketing department.
I agree the Iphone "can" be a great phone, once it is jailbroken... But the proprietary of the device will turn others away in these forum. You know your in an Android forum right? Get prepared to be flamed.
I am glad the Iphone is doing well, and I am glad the Iphone is no longer exclusive only to AT$T. Which in turn for us is a great thing. You will see in the upcoming months what Android smartphone has to offer. You'll end up having buyers remorse.
Personally I think you came in trolling and to see what kind of response (negative) you can get. Sad...
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Personally I think you came in trolling and to see what kind of response (negative) you can get. Sad...
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
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lmao! XD
anyways, i personally think the quality of apps in apple are way better than in android....but ther's way more customisation in android.....i am a rom-ohlic myself....flash new roms like everyday....android community is way better
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It really doesn't matter what type of outstanding specs these guys put in the upcoming android phones, Apple's Iphone is the number one phone out there. These manufacturers have forgotten that it was Apple that brought the price of smartphones down drastically. You don't beat the number one product on the market by charging MORE for your product.
Now that Apple is on multiple carriers, Android cannot afford to make such critical mistakes. The recently announced prices on upcoming android devices have made me wait for news on the IPHONE 5. I will pay MORE for the number one phone, but damned if I'm going to pay MORE for a phone that doesn't even receive updates till the next model.
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Besides trolling, what are you talking about?
Enjoy being locked into the Apple way and the constant cycle of not updating as you wait for jailbreaks.
And Apple never brought the price of Smartphones down... $199 on contract was the standard price for WinMo phones long before Apple. And they had expandable memory and removable batteries.
I would or could not ever go back to an iphone after owning a quality android phone. There really is no comparison in user experience
Trolling? No way! As I stated in a previous post, my captivate made me return my iPhone 4 TWICE. Actually, my captivate enables me to wait for the iPhone 5 to release, I don't need another phone right now.
I meant that the iPhone 4 is the number one SELLING phone out there. Excuse me for sounding like an Apple fanboy.
Yet, the fact remains, higher priced android devices will help sell more Apple devices.
Correction, my captivate on Cognition 3.04 enables me to wait till summer. I jailbreak iPhones and I flash roms, I'm not a total noob at this.
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Lets wait and see how they "change everything" without making a meaningful change of anything
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Trolling? No way! As I stated in a previous post, my captivate made me return my iPhone 4 TWICE. Actually, my captivate enables me to wait for the iPhone 5 to release, I don't need another phone right now.
I meant that the iPhone 4 is the number one SELLING phone out there. Excuse me for sounding like an Apple fanboy.
Yet, the fact remains, higher priced android devices will help sell more Apple devices.
Correction, my captivate on Cognition 3.04 enables me to wait till summer. I jailbreak iPhones and I flash roms, I'm not a total noob at this.
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You may not be a noob from a tech standpoint but you are from a business aspect. The iPhone outsells because of image. People are sheep - they want something that is spun in a certain way - Apple does the marketing for the one phone product they offer. Android doesn't have that luxury - it has 20 different manufacturers so there is not ONE Android phone to compare to the iPhone.
People buy iPhones because they see ads for one appstore, for one company, etc. it is simple and fits the simple mind. Price has NOTHING to do with it. If it did, no one would buy the higher capacity iPhones. Look at all the people that waited in line to buy the first iPhone - no product reviews, and no subsidy.... where is the price theory there? They buy them today on eBay for $800 - not rational - but supply and demand dictates - along with perception and the idea of being a sheep.
Just like the new commercial knocking Toyota... anyone that has driven a Camry knows that it is a plain boring car - it gets the job done though - but why does everyone buy it when there are better values? Sheep.
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You may not be a noob from a tech standpoint but you are from a business aspect. The iPhone outsells because of image. People are sheep - they want something that is spun in a certain way - Apple does the marketing for the one phone product they offer. Android doesn't have that luxury - it has 20 different manufacturers so there is not ONE Android phone to compare to the iPhone.
People buy iPhones because they see ads for one appstore, for one company, etc. it is simple and fits the simple mind. Price has NOTHING to do with it. If it did, no one would buy the higher capacity iPhones. Look at all the people that waited in line to buy the first iPhone - no product reviews, and no subsidy.... where is the price theory there? They buy them today on eBay for $800 - not rational - but supply and demand dictates - along with perception and the idea of being a sheep.
Just like the new commercial knocking Toyota... anyone that has driven a Camry knows that it is a plain boring car - it gets the job done though - but why does everyone buy it when there are better values? Sheep.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I think in the coming years we'll see the iphone go the way of the blackberry regardless of its lemming followers. Apple is constantly introducing new OS versions with hardly barely any significant feature changes. When multitasking was introduced, it absolutely destroyed any hint of speed on the iphone 3g. Yet, we've been multitasking with android since introduction on hardware that is just slightly faster.
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
Dell2,
In order for Apple to catch back up to Android in terms of innovation and feature-richness, they will have to heavily modify their OS, which in turn will force them to significantly update their hardware. If this happens (or rather, when Steve Jobs stops gracing California's judicial system with his presence every time somebody pulls the same **** on him that he pulled on IBM, and actually gets back to creating new product ideas) you will watch the price of the iphone skyrocket past the Android. When this happens, you will watch sales decline and Apple will drop out of the phone business.
Truth be known, aside from everything that Alphadog has said, the only other reason the iphone made it to 4 is because every electronics manufacturer and their mom started making their products with a proprietary Apple connector. Imagine if they hired a linux guy and started making them with MicroUSB?
oh and for the record I absolutely loathe everything about i(can'tstarthalfthetimeona64bitmachinesofuckloadingyourmusic)tunes.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I think in the coming years we'll see the iphone go the way of the blackberry regardless of its lemming followers. Apple is constantly introducing new OS versions with hardly barely any significant feature changes. When multitasking was introduced, it absolutely destroyed any hint of speed on the iphone 3g. Yet, we've been multitasking with android since introduction on hardware that is just slightly faster.
With every Apple update, the older devices get slower, yet with every android update, devices that can run the update become faster, and more responsive.
Dell2,
In order for Apple to catch back up to Android in terms of innovation and feature-richness, they will have to heavily modify their OS, which in turn will force them to significantly update their hardware. If this happens (or rather, when Steve Jobs stops gracing California's judicial system with his presence every time somebody pulls the same **** on him that he pulled on IBM, and actually gets back to creating new product ideas) you will watch the price of the iphone skyrocket past the Android. When this happens, you will watch sales decline and Apple will drop out of the phone business.
Truth be known, aside from everything that Alphadog has said, the only other reason the iphone made it to 4 is because every electronics manufacturer and their mom started making their products with a proprietary Apple connector. Imagine if they hired a linux guy and started making them with MicroUSB?
oh and for the record I absolutely loathe everything about i(can'tstarthalfthetimeona64bitmachinesofuckloadingyourmusic)tunes.
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I feel ya on the last line. I think it spends too much time reporting back to steve jobs I have a droidx than an iphone. Sheep just plain sheep.
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Prices of phones outright from Rogers
Iphone 4 16gb- $649
Captivate- $549
X10- $549
Prices of phones on 3 yr contract from Rogers
Iphone4 16gb- $159
Captivate- $99.99
X10- $49.99
How exactly is android powered phones more expensive than the iphone?
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the iOS isn't even the world's leading smartphone platform...I don't think it's ever beaten symbian. android, however, has passed symbian and is now the leading platform.
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You also have to take into account that the iphone is the only phone with ios where as android had dozens of phones. allowing people to pick what works best
Customization > conformity
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Unless you own a Cliq XT...
Im waiting for the iphone 5 myself; I have the captivate rooted abd I love it, but I find myself getting bored with the operating system itself; I need something different you know?
I have had the phone since... spetember I think and I love it, but I just use it all of the time and I get a little bored.
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Im waiting for the iphone 5 myself; I have the captivate rooted abd I love it, but I find myself getting bored with the operating system itself; I need something different you know?
I have had the phone since... spetember I think and I love it, but I just use it all of the time and I get a little bored.
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If you a bored with android you will commit suicide with ios
Sales numbers don't make something better lol microsoft os's are not better than apple os's but out sell them and are the most sold os out there. Not to mention iphone gained popularity way before google released android and just has a huge fan base, plus popularity of the ipod helped out a lot to.
Don't get wrong I'm not bashing the iphone it definitely has a place in the market for people , old people who can't figure stuff out , middle age people who can't figure stuff out , teens cause they have to have what there friends have and noobs in general lol
Open source never gains the popularity that the big company's gain ( Linux for example ) but all power users will tell you the same thing and if you don't know what that is then you definitely belong with your iphone
And for those who get bored with Android, what the hell are you gonna do on an iphone , jail break it lol , get real lol
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Amen to that!!!!!
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I'm sorry but.......
"Shipments of Android-based phones reached 32.9 million in the fourth quarter, while Nokia sold 31 million Symbian phones worldwide. Apple was third, shipping 16.2 million iPhones, while Research In Motion (RIM) sold 14.2 million BlackBerrys. Nokia held on to its lead in global market share with 28 percent
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/01/android-becomes-top-selling-smartphone-platform-worldwide/#ixzz1DJqwKjuR"
This is just...For the fun of it. I can enjoy a bit of philosophising once in a while. I was playing around with devices of almost every manufacturer (except Motorola, sorry), and thought about the particular quirks and advantages of smartphones.
It might be nice for me first to zoom out to the platform level. There are a few platforms used right now. WP7, Android, BB, iOS come to mind as the main ones. Most smartphones developed and sold are tailored towards a particular operating system. This defines their capabilities, their limitations, and their general goal during their lifespan.
I will address each briefly:
WP7: With the latest Mango, these phones are tailored to social networking. The Lumia 800, for example, is certainly an impressive device in that capacity.
Android: These phones tend to be for people who want to play around with their OS. They generally offer large touchscreens and fast dual-core processors (the latest phones do, at least). One of the dogmas seems to be multimedia ease. I will ask a question about such phones that I will get back to later: "Is there such a thing as too large?".
BB: These phones and the operating system they run on were designed with security in mind. They offer physical keyboards which are unrivalled. RIM also have the best data technology on the market. I like to think of BBs as having the functionality of bricks, but being as hard to take down as bricks as well. These phones are far behind everyone else, but I would state that they are very stable. They also are, potentially, the best phones. I use "phones" in the forgotten capacity: for making calls. They possess the best radios.
iOS: BE UNIQUE! Well, it somewhat worked until everyone and his grandmother had an iPhone. I, personally, despise lowercase "i"s, so have never been tempted that way. What do they offer? Apps. Many, many, many apps. Need I say more? Apple started out with a brilliant idea of how to sell products to the masses (yes, I am quite fond of The Affluent Society), but they have not improved much upon that idea since its inception.
These are obviously non-exhaustive notes. The general purpose of the information written above is to determine the role of smartphones.
Addressing Android, you have speed and power. But is it necessary? The Galaxy Note is awkward. The Galaxy SII is also reasonably so. These devices try to provide a Web and gaming experience, combined with all-around functionality. Sure, they have large screens in order to provide that experience, but a tablet can perform the same things better (refer to Asus Transformer Prime). Is there a point to those functions on a phone? I want to stress "phone" again, since it seems we have strayed so far from the functions of a phone.
Nokia have been producing quality plain handsets for a long time. They sell many of these to developing countries. Their place and their existence is, I believe, justified. Whether they are needed with WP7 is another matter.
Blackberry have always targeted businesses and sought to provide fast text inputs on their phones. Their devices are built like bricks, as I said previously. The BB infrastructure is more impressive than BB phones, in my opinion. Especially the Data compression.
Apple, well...Apple is Apple.
I can only peg down three categories: BB for infrastructure, Nokia for supplying the world with phones, Apple and Android for experimentation and multimedia aspects.
So what is the role of smartphones? Are they too developed for their own good? Typing on a 4.5'' screen in landscape mode will never fail to annoy me. Apple's watchful gaze is creepy. RIM's antipathy towards progress is strange.
This is actually quite well done and addresses the various brands and OS' without being extremely biased that i would be use to=D Bravo and I agree they all have their place
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This is actually quite well done and addresses the various brands and OS' without being extremely biased that i would be use to=D Bravo and I agree they all have their place
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Thanks!
Hoping that a few people will want to post their opinions and discuss. After all, we are passionate about smartphones. Otherwise we would not be on here.
Thought I would add something on my "brick" line of thinking. I and a friend got two different phones at approximately the same time in 2008. I got the BlackBerry Storm 9530. He got the HTC Dream (or G1, whichever you prefer to call it). Mine looks, feels, functions as if brand new. His is in a sorry state.
Yeah , I understand your pain of large phones , but some people just don't like tablets and want phones to have tablet-like functionality .
Don't bash me please ! *prones*
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Yeah , I understand your pain of large phones , but some people just don't like tablets and want phones to have tablet-like functionality .
Don't bash me please ! *prones*
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For site about smartphones, I would have thought more people would be interested in this topic. But I suppose I am targeting obsessions...Try telling an iPhone user that iPhones are not the best, or that they are not particularly unique.
What is a phone??? Lol but seriously I do agree we have strayed far away from the cellphone era. We have entered a new age that began in 2005, which I like to refer to as the connected age. With the growing number of smartphone users it is easy to track down anyone you want. Everyone is connected to everyone. Our phones grow larger in size every 6months. I remember when I wanted the smallest most compact flip phone. The bigger it was the uglier it was. Now.... anything under 4.3 inches I cant even use lol. I predict in ten years smartphones will be non existing. It will be converted to tabs. U can buy a tablet for half the price of a brand new sgs2.
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I disagree with tablets being "better" that smartphones or smartphones being replaced by tablets, not everyone can or want to travel with a tab everywhere
A phones portability will trump most of times(a quick pic, quick vid, listening to music, browsing in the crapper,etc)
What i mean is that your not always able to go with a carrying bag(well girls can) or a notebook sized thing in your hands, thats when the mini tab in ur pocket comes to use
Might not be as good as a tablet for somethings but its still performs ok and makes calls, and its very easy to carry around
On the other hand, if the tablets are to replace something, is the laptop
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I disagree with tablets being "better" that smartphones or smartphones being replaced by tablets, not everyone can or want to travel with a tab everywhere
A phones portability will trump most of times(a quick pic, quick vid, listening to music, browsing in the crapper,etc)
What i mean is that your not always able to go with a carrying bag(well girls can) or a notebook sized thing in your hands, thats when the mini tab in ur pocket comes to use
Might not be as good as a tablet for somethings but its still performs ok and makes calls, and its very easy to carry around
On the other hand, if the tablets are to replace something, is the laptop
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OP: you don't seem to understand that people in this era want more than just a phone, if you are complaining that smartphones these days are too advanced to be a phone, then go and get a nokia from 1998 and stop posting on XDA.
The only argument I have is that in which you seem to feel that Blackberry devices are superior in terms of security. I disagree, and also feel that a SPoF has finally shown blackberry devices to be vastly inferior in terms of both security and content delivery.
Food for thought: the US Gov't has finally decided to branch out from the bricks of yesteryear, and now are starting to allow iOS, W*, and A* devices on the AEN with server side security policy implementation. That's saying a lot since they've previously only allowed a BBD on the AEN as all other devices "couldn't be secured". Kinda hard to secure a RIM server in Canada...
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OP: you don't seem to understand that people in this era want more than just a phone, if you are complaining that smartphones these days are too advanced to be a phone, then go and get a nokia from 1998 and stop posting on XDA.
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That's like, just his opinion, man. Why you have to flame home for it, man
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OP: you don't seem to understand that people in this era want more than just a phone, if you are complaining that smartphones these days are too advanced to be a phone, then go and get a nokia from 1998 and stop posting on XDA.
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What is a phone??? Lol but seriously I do agree we have strayed far away from the cellphone era. We have entered a new age that began in 2005, which I like to refer to as the connected age. With the growing number of smartphone users it is easy to track down anyone you want. Everyone is connected to everyone. Our phones grow larger in size every 6months. I remember when I wanted the smallest most compact flip phone. The bigger it was the uglier it was. Now.... anything under 4.3 inches I cant even use lol. I predict in ten years smartphones will be non existing. It will be converted to tabs. U can buy a tablet for half the price of a brand new sgs2.
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I disagree with tablets being "better" that smartphones or smartphones being replaced by tablets, not everyone can or want to travel with a tab everywhere
A phones portability will trump most of times(a quick pic, quick vid, listening to music, browsing in the crapper,etc)
What i mean is that your not always able to go with a carrying bag(well girls can) or a notebook sized thing in your hands, thats when the mini tab in ur pocket comes to use
Might not be as good as a tablet for somethings but its still performs ok and makes calls, and its very easy to carry around
On the other hand, if the tablets are to replace something, is the laptop
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It is not that I am a great fan of BlackBerry. It is just that I am very uneasy about Androids. What is to say you will not be charged $1,000 on your next bill due to an exploit allowing premium text messages to be sent from your device without your knowledge?
Yes, I have a bias towards security. We have Facebook and Twitter, which are used as breeding grounds for all sorts of mayhem...Obviously all they have done is displayed all our private information to the whole world. That is really going to be regretted by everyone using those services...Sooner or later. We have the multimedia Androids which ignore fundamental issues and have grown too large to comfortably use. HAVE YOU NEVER HAD TO REALLY STRETCH YOUR FINGER TO REACH AN ICON, OR USE ANOTHER HAND?
Regarding tablets, are we really suggesting that they can beat laptops at anything important? If the general stream is towards mass procrastination, tablets have helped us achieve that. But I do not see the next 10 years seeing tablets replacing laptops.
Well, i still think the future of the laptop and notebook is the tablet
And blackberrys are not as safe as you think they are
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smartphones - of any kind - are the functional equivalent of the light bulb. game changer. amazing tech advance.
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smartphones - of any kind - are the functional equivalent of the light bulb. game changer. amazing tech advance.
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Some of the biggest advances are as simple as a dung when analized deeply but still revolutionary
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I've been a fan of Smartphones for a while. I have a Samsung Galaxy Ace, mainly because I couldnt afford the SII at the time. I like the Bigger phones cause i can use it for reading, watching media, surfing the web, looking at pictures, etc...
Personally I'm hoping to get a galaxy note for my birthday next year as its perfect for everything I like to do with my phone.
For me, smartphone is a universal device which is computer replacement anywhere, where there are no computers.
whats the future for android phones? it looks like the market is saturated with technology where demand for android phones may fall. what do you think?
With android being best selling phone operating system I think as long as people need mobiles it will still be popular because it can even be used on low end devices and this means as parts of the world where mobiles aren't popular yet (due to low incomes or lack of cell infrastructure) get mobile phones its likely to be cheap android ones they look to rather than say iphones or wp7.
So I think android sales will continue to increase for the forseeable future.
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The ecosystem is the biggest thing for sustainability. I don't think Android/Google are going anywhere and there is room for more than one player other than Apple. Ice Cream Sandwich is also a significant step as allows a consistent os for phone and tablet which really opens up the market for developers.
It may level off a bit because a lot of the initial burst in sales was due to the fact that it was a new OS, meaning that users were previously using another OS. Then there is also a large group of people who were using basic/non-smartphones and then made the move to Android. So the new customer base may not continue to rise as much, but hopefully the existing customer base can stay loyal.
the demand will always be there. with ios innovation stagnating and some people not willing to pay the apple premium, the android platform offers a cheaper smartphone alternative that does everything an iphone can do but maybe not offer the best performance. of course once ICS rolls out everywhere this may be a different story performance wise but android will prevail and i think google is gonna make sure of that.
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the demand will always be there. with ios innovation stagnating and some people not willing to pay the apple premium, the android platform offers a cheaper smartphone alternative that does everything an iphone can do but maybe not offer the best performance. of course once ICS rolls out everywhere this may be a different story performance wise but android will prevail and i think google is gonna make sure of that.
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what you said seems sound.. lets see what the future holds.
ANDROID is still on the long run.. for at least two years, it will grow. I cant predict beyond that. I just know it will grow by seeing people opt to go for Android instead of blackberry and Symbian.
It has been a big talk here in Malaysia. And blackberry peeps are moving to Android as they hate Apple for some reason. I guess they were pissed that iFags bashed them when they r using BBs. Lol
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http://brianshall.com/content/android-dead
Anyone read this ?
I don't know where to start but suffice to say that his facts are wrong not least the one saying no new android phone can compare to iphone. Pretty sure the quad core sgs3 can.
Also samsungs market share recently overtook apples yet he says apple is way ahead.
Most of the report is factually incorrect opinion not news.
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This is nothing more than opinion and partial facts/ incorrect facts. There is no doubt the iPhone/iPad sell better. There is also little argument that Android missed the mark with their tablets/tablet marketing. But in no way is Android dying.
I would counter this article with how long will iPhone users upgrade to the same exact device with the same non evolving software before they start to get bored? I couldn't bring myself to buy a 4 after my 3g because the device bored the hell out of me. I walked into the Apple store, picked up a 4 and said to myself why in the hell would I lock into two more years, they practically changed nothing.
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I think his numbers are wrong...
I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
Lol, this is funny.
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I will acknowledge that Android is suffering terribly from the fragmentation issue especially in the arena where consumers want an "appliance" that simply does what it does. I think enthusiasts and developers in the Android world have great fun with all the aspects of tinkering, it appeals to our intelligence that we can fix things, improve things and evolve. Most consumers are not interested in tinkering.
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He hit the nail on the head. The iphone carries the user friendly market, as long as there are techies(men) and those who simply don't follow the crowd android will thrive. I do agree that Google should implement some kind of OS requirements, as many devices that could be running ICS are not, but to the previous comment of I walked in and said this really isn't any different than the 3g...that is pretty much it...apple will be apple, android is at least fresh in this perspective.
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According to Horace Dediu/Asymco, Apple is now taking 73% of the smartphone industry's profits, with Samsung capturing 26%.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
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And that everyone includes Huwai and ZTE, LG and Sony, Motorola, Dell (sorta), HP (I think) and a host of other very large, once-capable companies.
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How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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Nobody wants an Android tablet.
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The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
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Almost no one has the latest version of Android.
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It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
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The companies that most aggressively marketed the "Android" brand, particularly Motorola and HTC, are floundering. Samsung, you will notice, markets Samsung.
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Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
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App developers continue to make far more money off iOS.
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Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
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Google is *losing* money on Android.
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If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
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The Oracle trial made clear that Android was designed for a small screen with a physical keyboard -- thus, not optimized for the touchscreen revolution.
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Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
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I seriously doubt any Android device will rival iPhone 4S -- even by the time of the next iPhone.
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I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
The Kindle Fire is an Android Tablet, as is one of the B&N Nooks, guess no one buys those. The Galaxy Tab 2 7" also seems to be selling well the way it looks. There is an issue with tablets, but it's mainly a price issue, not features. Google and developers are working to solve the app issues.
It's at 5% of the market and growing. With 300k new activations daily, that means at least 15k new ICS devices are joining the market every day. Now that OEMs are finishing up the ICS updates, and releasing their new phones/tablets with ICS, that is only going to grow over the next few months.
Yeah, HTC bringing in $2.3 billion in revenue is floundering. Even with profits down, they still made nearly $200 million in profit for the 1st quarter. Given the success of the One series phones, that will probably go up this quarter. And Samsung markets phones for everything, and I'm pretty sure they mention Android for the Android devices.
Because iOS apps cost money, where the same app on Android is free. Android users will pay for apps if they're good, just that usually, there is a free alternative that is just as functional as the paid version.
If they were loosing money so badly on Android, why does it continue to exist?
Working just fine on my 4.65" touchscreen here. I have more issues typing on the on-screen keyboard of the iPhone than I have with any of my Android devices.
I would say the Galaxy Nexus equals the iPhone 4S, and the just announced SGSIII will be the equal of the next iPhone in terms of hardware. Software, it is an apples v. oranges comparison. However, I have seen comparison tests that show it is usually faster or easier to perform simple tasks on the Galaxy Nexus versus the iPhone.
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Unless the next iphone gets larger there's only so much you can shoehorn into a smaller form factor in which case apple customers could start looking elsewhere but as it stands there are a few android phones that could beat iphone including the s3 and optimus lte2.
But if android were dead then samsung lg and htc would all be failing miserably and their not.
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Lol, this is funny.
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Yep, very funny since he's comparing a SO with a phone (hardware vs. software? WTF)
BTW, that a phone is the most sold not mean that phone is the best, only mean that have better marketing. In many countries, iDevice = high social status (what a sh!t, it isn't?).
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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So, what he's saying is that Apple is screwing over the consumer almost 3 times more than the next largest company. Also, is this including the profits Apple gets from app sales, because none of the OEMs that make Android phones profit off of that.
How do you forget HTC? They are probably the second or third largest seller behind Samsung and possibly Motorola.
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This is one of the more interesting questions. I do believe that Apple revenue of course includes the app sales. Does anybody know more about this point?
And what about HTC? Look here!
sunilkumar.maharana said:
apple makes software modulated hardware but android makes hardware modulated software the difference is price n precession.......................... the apple is quite costly bt android is not much
apple is secure
android is open
android is flexible
apple is disposable
hell ya.............. android rockzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
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My opinion is that Android is more secure than iOS. It is open-source, so anyone can look at the code (most of it anyway), find issues, fix them, and then submit the fix for inclusion in the next update. There is also SEAndroid being worked on by the same group that does SELinux. Apple is closed source, so when a problem is found, you have to wait for Apple to fix it. You can't tell when the fix will come, or if it will even come. Nor do you have the option to include the fix yourself, as there is no way to patch it without the source to build from.
Isn't the iPhone security able to be easily bypassed by anyone, regardless of the phone being locked or not? Android seems to be the more secure platform for most things from what I've seen, but I'm not a security researcher, so anything is possible.
another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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another idiot Apple fanboy writes a bunch on non-factual nonsense. truth is, he knows Android is killing Apple, and he can't accept it, so instead he puts Android down to make himself feel better about being an iPhone lover. it's a classic example of the most basic human psychology.
let him be a fanboy, and we'll enjoy our amazing platform in peace.
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You said it m8
The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
I think when the general population talk about the IPHONE they don't think of iOS but the Form factor of the phone. I also think that the general non techie population doesn't really know what Android REALLY is. This why every phone that's not an iPhone is considered a "Droid" to them.
Non techie people are seduced by the shiny and admittingly good design of the iPhone and as long as Facebook and Instagram works on it they are happy and they "love their iphone".
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Wow :what: where to start. The incorrect " facts " . The overt Apple fanboy flare. The way he should've started is by saying, " all the information you are about to given is conjecture and opinion " . Well I guess that's why some people buy, Apple products. Then there are those that think, research, and make the smart choice, Android.
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The funny thing about this...which kind of invalidates everything he says, is that Samsung is running Android. I don't think Samsung has a single phone out right now that isn't Android.
"No one wants an Android tablet" No, it's just that the iPad has a name behind it. If not for that name, it'd be one of the worst selling pads on the market.
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Its not that ipad has a name for itself, its that apple had a name for itself a long time ago. When the iPod came out it was a big hit. It then evolved into the iPod touch, which was alright for a while. Then they made the iPhone. Everyone was already hooked on apples products, thus not giveing android too much of a chance. Except for those who want something different, so they went and got an android. Slowly people are going to leave the iPhone cause they are going to get bored of the same old SH*T. Basicly the iPod is apples reputation. The ios is boring and kinda plain.
Who cares about what sells better? How about what performs better? And I know I would much rather be able to do whatever the hell I want with the phone like customizing, and tweaking the phone to run faster, and not having to pay for everything. And you can't even do anything on the computer without a jailbreak or being annoyingly restricted to iTunes!
IPhone sucks! ANDROID RULES!!!
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This is quite simple to respond to. IPhone is for mainstream users, every friend of mine says iPhone is the best phone until I show them some android devices. We live in a world where all the crap which has an apple on the back is better by the eyes of people that don't even know what the market has to offer.
Another thing is, android is still growing, and iOS has much has it keep evolving, I believe it's pretty much that: a phone with the homescreen full of icons and with no customizing whatsoever; a phone that in my opinion gives a terrible user experience.
I'm no fan of Samsung devices but it's true they're doing a great job on expanding android.
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