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SMS on SIM?

I'm relatively new to WM "Standard" or smartphone. So some things which I've taken for granted on normal cell phones don't work the same way in WM.
For example:
SMS messages always tended to be saved to my SIM (I was a big Motorola user). - Now they are stored on my phone.
Are they stored in system memory, or is there a way to store it to the storage card?
Is there a way to make it default to use the SIM? This way I wouldn't lose my SMSes everytime I update to a new ROM. I know, I could back them up, but SMSes are the only thing I would need to back up (if I wanted to); everything else cn be handled by ActiveSync.
It's unlikely that I'll fill up my 2GB SD and there will probably be a new SDHC driver/workaround created by XDA denizens long before I run out, but if I give up my iPod in favour of an A2DP headset or clip, (which is possible, I'd use it for audiobooks as books for commuting are my biggest non-PIM/phoning use) then I might think that it a good idea to use the storage space on the SIM card (better yet, why hasn't anyone created an app to allow you to hide encrypted data there, like passwords etc?).

Why want to save on the SIM? Do you know that in Tornado, you can save unlimited, countless number of SMS depending on the capacity of your memory? I managed to save up to 3000 SMS and still counting.
It is not recomended to save SMS in storage card, the reason being that your storage card would get damaged, as in corrupted easily and you would need to reformat the card once in a blue moon.
So far, I dont think there is any tweak to save the SMS to SIM, but if you want to backup SMS, I would suggest PIM Backup, available in VJ's ROM, download in his first post, or you can use Jeyo Mobile Extender, I am using Jeyo and its very useful, SMS are integrated into Microsoft Outlook Express

The idea that the sim would be damaged/corrupted by sms seems unlikely as many normal cellular phones already do this as default. I have never heard of a corrupted sim card.
Backing up is not a practical solution. what happens if I have to do a hard reset on my phone because it has locked while I am out in the field? Information would be permanently and inconveniently lost. If stored by default on the SIM, they are persistant. Same goes for important phone numbers; store them to SIM, you can import them any time you need to. You can also bring that info to another phone if yours is damaged or out for servicing...
You see now why using the sim can be useful?
Where does your phone store its up to 3,000 messages? I assume that you you would set it to store them on the storage card. How do you set this? If stored on storage can you access your sms after a hard reset?
Thanks for a reply.

Well, I am actually saying that the storage card would get corrupted easily if we store the SMS there, not in the SIM
Well, why not you try PIM backup? If you have to do a hard reset in the field, at least you have the information all backed up in your storage card.
I stored 3000 messages in the main memory itself, took a couple of MB only, though it's considered alot on a device that has 20MB free after hard reset.
As for me, I do save important numbers to SIM as well.

I have been storing my sms and emails on SD (2gig) since WM2003 without any problem. Many people have cautioned me about the SD getting corrupted. But i have not faced such problem. Thank god! Probably i am just lucky.
To move messages to SD tweak the registry.

illi said:
I have been storing my sms and emails on SD (2gig) since WM2003 without any problem. Many people have cautioned me about the SD getting corrupted. But i have not faced such problem. Thank god! Probably i am just lucky.
To move messages to SD tweak the registry.
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Recall off-hand which regkey?
As far as I'm concerned, I'll probably have an HTC Touch Cruise or a Shadow before I damage my SD. Both those use SD micro, don't they?
Again, I have personally never heard of anyone having a corrupted SD. Consider people who have cameras (maybe not pros, I think they prefer CF, but but maybe snap-happy amateurs) and snap thousands of pics (or even bloggers using camera phones). I've only heard warnings here, not complaints...

karhoe said:
Well, I am actually saying that the storage card would get corrupted easily if we store the SMS there, not in the SIM
Well, why not you try PIM backup? If you have to do a hard reset in the field, at least you have the information all backed up in your storage card.
I stored 3000 messages in the main memory itself, took a couple of MB only, though it's considered alot on a device that has 20MB free after hard reset.
As for me, I do save important numbers to SIM as well.
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The thing about backing up is that you have to remember to back up. Should I back-up every time I receive an important SMS?
I work in construction. Many of my peers have broken many phones. I've been pretty lucky, I've only ever had one mishap (dropped a phone down 4m a sump on a stormy day and couldn't get it out till the next afternoon, but it was a mil-spec Motorola and after dismantling it dry out, it worked fine - unbelievable).
I don't want to think about if it had an SD, it has moving parts and murky water would have left some form of particulate. A SIM is solid state, I could store a SIM for a week in a toilette bowl and it would probably be fine.
If you guys don't know, that's fine. It just seems to me another one of those stupid oversights on the part of MS not to have at least a minimal hardware usage similarity to a real phone.
According to this: http://www.htcclub.net/en/shownews.php?ID=179
AKU 3 was suppsed to have this functionality. Perhaps I need another SMS/Messenging version?
Currently I'm using EA's last Chinese ROM (I'm waiting for Nitro's next version and then I intend to cook it for personalised apps).

Exitao said:
Recall off-hand which regkey?
As far as I'm concerned, I'll probably have an HTC Touch Cruise or a Shadow before I damage my SD. Both those use SD micro, don't they?
Again, I have personally never heard of anyone having a corrupted SD. Consider people who have cameras (maybe not pros, I think they prefer CF, but but maybe snap-happy amateurs) and snap thousands of pics (or even bloggers using camera phones). I've only heard warnings here, not complaints...
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Here's the regedit but remember I was lucky not having my Sd corrupted. What can go wrong will go wrong. So backup your SD always!
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Inbox\Settings]
"CurServiceName"=dword:00630041
"ShowUrlConfSecurityDialog"=dword:00000000
"StatusTextDuration"=dword:000007d0
"PropertyPath"="\\Storage Card\\Inbox"
"AttachPath"="\\Storage Card\\Inbox\\Attachments"
Add the PropertyPath and AttachPath

What I have is a binary value:
"CurServiceName"=dword:5046355
Who's ROM are you using?

Exitao said:
What I have is a binary value:
"CurServiceName"=dword:5046355
Who's ROM are you using?
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vjgrace's ROM

illi said:
vjgrace's ROM
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So why the different service name?
I have no other strings or values, just that current service name.
Do I change the service name? Do I simply add those extra entries?

Exitao said:
So why the different service name?
I have no other strings or values, just that current service name.
Do I change the service name? Do I simply add those extra entries?
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Never notice and never bothered.
Simply add PROPERTYPATH and ATTACHPATH
thats it.
I still believe PIM Backup the better solution.

Retain quotations around address?

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NO quotations and one only \ instead of \\

use DROPBOX and prevent SD Card errors!

THIS IS A SHAMELESS PLUG but... it's also very useful and if you make it a habit, it can even prevent SD card errors.
I was very surprised that a couple of my friends didn't know about dropbox for android and how well it works. For those who don't know, dropbox is a multi device syncing service. It's free up to 2gb. It sets up a folder on your mac or pc or linux box and everything you put in there is automatically sync'd to other devices.
Here's the thing, IT's FAST. Even UPLOADING is fast. This is important because if you have a 2mb apk that you're installing or a 5mb kernel that you're flashing, it's very convenient to just copy the file into your dropbox folder... and then simply grab it from dropbox on your SGS. I have fiber into my house but I remember that dropbox was really fast even before i got fios.
With exception larger 20+ mb files, I turned to doing this exclusively a few weeks ago because I was tired of my sd card always turning up errors when plugged in. The sdcard errors have even cost me a few pics taken from my phone. I don't know about you guys, but I probably mounted and dismounted my sd card over 10 times a day on the low side before.
Here's an important note about accessing files through dropbox though, you should always DOWNLOAD them from the dropbox app onto your sd card before installing. Installing directly from the dropbox android app can sometimes turn up errors.
So that's the plug guys. But if you haven't tried it yet, try it.
Like I said, the first 2gb are free from dropbox and if you refer friends, you can get upto 8gb free. I'm not even including my dropbox referral link here because I seriously believe in this tip that much! Save SD card errors and use dropbox!

Figured everyone does this, some shape or form. I think I've hooked up my phone to a computer like twice for USB access.

digiblur said:
Figured everyone does this, some shape or form. I think I've hooked up my phone to a computer like twice for USB access.
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Haha, ya, me too.
Weird though, today- dropbox has decided it needs to resync the contents every time I open a folder (once per folder). I'm not sure what the issue is, as 90% of the contents haven't changed. Not the end of the world, but ya, hope this thread gets more ppl using it. It really does save a lot of time, especially in school and e.g. transitioning to a new computer.
And.. thread getting moved in 5-4-3-2

No brainer...
I love DropBox. I signed up for an account then invited all my firends to join. When they did i get an additional 250megs. I then have a shared Folder that i have shared with all of them. We now have all the apps, games, wallpapers, ringtones, etc. my friends and I love in one place. Then on top of that it is backed up on my laptop and desktop. All for Free. If you haven't signed up for it, i highly recommend you do.
Fuz

Not Development.
That said, this is very cool technology. I wish they gave you more than 2-8GB for free, though, because I'd like to move my entire music, picture, and movie collections there. I'm actually thinking about paying the $100/year, which is ridiculous.
The coolest part is that it streams music and movies, doesn't download them. Very cool.
Google Music will be a good solution for the music, but I wish it would have generic storage space, too.

What are you doing to your phone that your sd card corrupts itself? I've never had it do that even once, and I've even DCed the phone in the middle of active transfers (a lot more times than I care to admit)

Firon said:
What are you doing to your phone that your sd card corrupts itself? I've never had it do that even once, and I've even DCed the phone in the middle of active transfers (a lot more times than I care to admit)
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Really? my system created LOST directory was getting out of hand before this. I DID yank the cable out a few times during active file transfers but I doubt that was the only cause. Nowadays virus scans- indexing- caching.... things are being being written on HD's and cards all the time...
Am I the only one who had windows prompt me for a error check every other time when I mounted my disk? hmm...
@digiblur, I thought this is what everyone did too! But I was surprised to learn not...
This isn't development is it? Sorry mods! I just thought to post and should have done it in the general section. I'll exercise better judgment next time!
Move away!

Firon said:
What are you doing to your phone that your sd card corrupts itself? I've never had it do that even once, and I've even DCed the phone in the middle of active transfers (a lot more times than I care to admit)
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You might just be lucky. Many of our users have had odd bugs that were completely solved by SD card format and reflash.

Can someone please explain the SD Card issue to me....

What exactly is the problem? Im thinking of getting the focus and I keep hearing these SD card issues but what "exactly" is the problem? I understand that once you put it in, your SD card is done, and that if you want to remove it you have to wipe everything, I understand all that, but what are the problems that arise? I have a 16gb micro sd that I have used on all my devices no problem, do files get corrupted or something? Does it just not read it?

There aren't any problems in that sense. The only real "problem" is that not all MicroSD cards work with WP7. In addition, hot-swapping isn't supported, because in effect, the MicroSD's memory is added to the internal memory, and the system then doesn't differentiate between storing on the sd card and that that's built into the phone, and thus stuff is spread all over all of them.
There aren't any "problems" as such that I know of though.
On an ending note - WP7 is awesome ^__^ Honestly the best user experience I've ever had with a phone (esp. having come from Android >.<) ^__^

loading a microSD card will turn it into a secure card. once this happens no other device will even read it (except a nokia n8) making it extremely difficult to format if it doesn't work nicely with windows phone 7. That is the main issue. rest already mentioned.

GenkaiMade gave his version which is correct but I thought I would explain it my way.
Take your average memory card and device. What are some of the default expectations you have when using one?
1) You should be able to get any MicroSD card on the market and be able to put it into your phone with it working.
2) You should be able to remove the memory card from the device and put it in a different device (such as another phone or PC) and have it still work like normally.
The problem with Windows Phone 7 is that it breaks these two rules.
1) Many of the higher rated MicroSD card flat-out don't work on WP7. This is because of the method WP7 uses to read/write to memory card. You can find more specific details on why this is but I will just keep it simple. There are many user-created lists which list which MicroSD cards do work with WP7.
2) You can NOT hot-swap your memory card once it is inserted into phone. Why? SD stands for Secure Digital which means there is a security aspect capable on the card. Microsoft takes advantage of this in WP7. Once you put your new card in your phone automatically reformats and locks it down. If you then take out the card and place it in another phone or a PC it will not be recognized, almost as if it is invisible. And the worst part, there is nothing* you can do about it. Once you pair a memory card and WP7 phone they are joined for life.
Why does this suck? If you buy a 8GB card now you simply can't upgrade to a 16/32Gb one down the road without losing all of your data and having a useless MicroSD card. The old card would become a better Frisbee than data storage device. This is why most WP7 phones don't let the users have access to the memory card. Microsoft knew this would happen and thus pushed manufacturers to not have the card easily accessible. There is even much talk that the memory card in the Samsung Focus was meant to be glued to the phone to prevent swapping but somewhere along the line that idea was scrapped.
* Note: Technically there is ONE thing you can do. If you own or have access to a Nokia N8 phone it can read the locked down MicroSD card and reformat to something any device can recognize. Essentially undo the problem. But how many people have easy access to one? The answer, almost nobody.

Quicksilver4648 said:
GenkaiMade gave his version which is correct but I thought I would explain it my way.
Take your average memory card and device. What are some of the default expectations you have when using one?
1) You should be able to get any MicroSD card on the market and be able to put it into your phone with it working.
2) You should be able to remove the memory card from the device and put it in a different device (such as another phone or PC) and have it still work like normally.
The problem with Windows Phone 7 is that it breaks these two rules.1) Many of the higher rated MicroSD card flat-out don't work on WP7. This is because of the method WP7 uses to read/write to memory card. You can find more specific details on why this is but I will just keep it simple. There are many user-created lists which list which MicroSD cards do work with WP7.
2) You can NOT hot-swap your memory card once it is inserted into phone. Why? SD stands for Secure Digital which means there is a security aspect capable on the card. Microsoft takes advantage of this in WP7. Once you put your new card in your phone automatically reformats and locks it down. If you then take out the card and place it in another phone or a PC it will not be recognized, almost as if it is invisible. And the worst part, there is nothing* you can do about it. Once you pair a memory card and WP7 phone they are joined for life.
Why does this suck? If you buy a 8GB card now you simply can't upgrade to a 16/32Gb one down the road without losing all of your data and having a useless MicroSD card. The old card would become a better Frisbee than data storage device. This is why most WP7 phones don't let the users have access to the memory card. Microsoft knew this would happen and thus pushed manufacturers to not have the card easily accessible. There is even much talk that the memory card in the Samsung Focus was meant to be glued to the phone to prevent swapping but somewhere along the line that idea was scrapped.
* Note: Technically there is ONE thing you can do. If you own or have access to a Nokia N8 phone it can read the locked down MicroSD card and reformat to something any device can recognize. Essentially undo the problem. But how many people have easy access to one? The answer, almost nobody.
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You're wrong. It has nothing to do with what you said. Lol @ breaking rules. They aren't breaking anything...
SD Card DRM is in the spec, it is only given to people who license it. That's what WP7 uses. It's locks down the storage system with a DRM key and that's why other devices (barring Nokias) can't see it - most SD Card clients don't support SD Card DRM.
Nokia (Symbian, and maybe Maemo, but I'm unsure on that) is the only other mobile OS that supports it, and that's why it can reformat the card (but cannot read any data on it, of course, since it doesn't have the decryption key). When you power on the phone, the WP7 pre-boot environment unlocks the card via a key on the device the same way you unlock an encrypted system drive on a PC. If a device cannot supply this key, they cannot mount the card.
If you swap the card, you have to hard reset the device because the storage is spanned and the decryption key on the device no longer corresponds to the SD card in the device (but due to spanned storage the device would malfunction even if it were to boot up). The new card is encrypted and added to the pool on a hard reset, and the [new] key is put on the device so that it can be mounted when the device is powered on.
It's pretty damn simple, and has been written in plain English in many threads; yet people still FAIL to understand it.
Have you ever thought there must be a reason why they call them SECURE Digital Cards? Or did you think Secure = taking it out one device and just plugging it into the other and taking the data off of it?
The Storage in WP7 was never meant to be swappable. Microsoft has always said it would not be. It's your own business if you want to play around swapping cards like Russian Roulette.
As far as which work with WP7. It requires higher Random I/O speeds than most SD Cards provide, and that doesn't correspond to Class Type. Also, a card can work fine for sometimes weeks at a time and then start to fail, so replacing it yourself is at your own risk.
And most manufacturers and carriers will void you warranty if you mess with the SD Card.

In that respect using memory cards is nonsense on WP7.
If you cannot do what you want with this, what was a rule and still is a rule on the market today,
they should just build devices with inbuilt memory like iPhone and don't talk about memory cards anymore. That would be simple.
Current situation is a mess.

So what cards are compatible now? I Googled it and the first response was 'San Disk Pulls WP7 compatible memory cards' and I figured that wasn't a good sign.

williammel said:
So what cards are compatible now? I Googled it and the first response was 'San Disk Pulls WP7 compatible memory cards' and I figured that wasn't a good sign.
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they only pulled it because MS wants to do official testing and release an official list.
refer to this webpage for more info: http://mobilitydigest.com/the-sd-cards-that-dodont-work-with-windows-phone/

Here it is in KB form from Microsoft:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2450831

N8ter said:
You're wrong. It has nothing to do with what you said. Lol @ breaking rules. They aren't breaking anything...
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It was a figure of speech. I know Microsoft didn't break any real "rules". This is what I posted:
Quicksilver4648 said:
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What are some of the default expectations you have when using one?
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The problem with Windows Phone 7 is that it breaks these two rules.
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When I said "rules" I implied "expectations". Microsoft did nothing wrong, outside of communicating with the end users, with how WP7 manages MicroSD cards.
And I clearly know why certain MicroSD cards will or wont work. I just didn't feel like explaining it because it would take a lot of time.

It's time to start expecting people to use these technologies in a secure manner.
The media industry does not support platforms that leave them open to be attacked by software pirates.
Information is power, and no one likes their info stolen.
There are many reasons.
iOS phones encrypt their storate. And the reason why they don't support external storage cards is probably the same reason why Microsoft uses the SD-DRM and encrypts the WP7 storage.
I don't know how Symbian handles its storage, but I'm pretty sure that OS at least supports Encrypting the file system on SD cards. It supports pretty much everything ele.

Right, let me give my own perspective on this.
Until recently I was a WM6 user. I regularly upgraded my phone, and the last one was an HD2. WM phones never came with any real amount of storage, just a piffling amount of internal memory (what, 500MB?). I was therefore faced with the added cost and hassle of having to purchase a memory card and insert it into the phone. This was a bit like buying a PC without a hard disk and having to buy and install your own. It was an added hassle and expense.
Once you had your SD card inserted, you were then faced with the decision of where to store the data for each of your apps. Take email - do you store all your emails and attachments on the internal memory, thus using up a good chunk of that precious resource, but having it work quickly, or do you store it all on the SD card, where there's a lot more room but it's slow and clunky, and if anyone steals your phone they can pop the card out and get at the data? When you install apps, you're again given the choice of where to install it. Do you go for the speed of internal storage? Do you put it on the SD card, knowing if you ever pop out the card, your app will be unavailable? Decisions, decisions.... Too much damned complexity. The average user shouldn't be faced with these choices, if I install an app, it should just go on the phone wherever, period.
Not only that, once my card was in there, I never once removed it. The majority of my apps were on it, my emails, and all my media. I totally filled it with media. Popping out that card would more or less break my phone. My apps wouldn't work, my emails would be missing......so I never did. Nor did I ever use it as a mass storage drive....because there was never any free space on it. Instead I had a 32GB USB memory key hanging from my keychain - that was my portable mass storage solution.
Not only this, if I wanted to put media onto the card, I had to connect to the PC and drag and drop my stuff directly onto the phone. What a hassle! Doing this didn't optimize the size of the photos for the phone's screen. It didn't drop the bitrate of my mp3s, it didn't convert videos to the right size and format. All that had to be done manually, and I never bothered, so my media took up a lot more room than it had to. So inefficient.
So, given that I never removed the card, and that doing so would hose my phone, and that it was always full, so never got used as mass storage, and that it was insecure, and an added expense and hassle, and putting media on the card was a manual process, what would I have done in a next generation phone to cure all these issues?
Well, I would have made sure the phone came with plenty of onboard memory, and I would have removed the distinction between internal memory and the "card" so it was all one storage container. I would have secured the memory so even if it could be removed, the data couldn't be read in another device. I would have made sure the memory was fast enough to deal properly with a modern OS. I would automate the process of converting and downsizing media by using software on the PC to automatically perform those tasks. I'd also make the process wireless and fully automatic. I'd.......oh wait, that's what Microsoft already did in WP7.
So I'm happy, even if you lot ain't.

I just got 2 Focus's for the Wife and I. Using the SD card sticky in the Focus forum here as a general help, I purchased a PNY 8Gb C4 for the Wifes, and a Patriot 16Gb C2 for mine (Frys, and the Patroit was the last one in the store from the Display! No one buys C2 anymore).
The back overlay on both devices mentions memory cards, and quick startup quide shows you how to install them and what happens if you remove them.
I put the Cards in last night (phones just arrived yesterday), formatted (hold the Power/Camera/Vol Down at the same time, answer questions) and in a few seconds each system was formated. Both are working fine right now.
Right now though doesn't mean much, many in the SD thread are having issues after several weeks, though it seems it more prevalent with the 32Gb cards. YMMV...

What I find goofy about the whole thing is that it has been stated that 7 needs random read/write, which is not measured by class rating, and can vary even within the same type of card, but very few people have posted numbers showing that they tested their cards at all before gleefully sacrificing them to the hungry maw of the Focus. Seriously guys, do more testing and post more numbers before rendering your cards unreadable to a PC. It'll help us all to better understand what works and what doesn't.

This bites.. I always knew that the card inside the wp7 was secured, but I always had faith in the power of this forum. Especially in recovery situations. Now I have lost a lot of irreplaceable data, like dozens of pictures of my young child. It seems I had a little too much faith.
Thank you for this information. it was very helpful. I have already moved away from Windows phones to android, and am going to start using nandroid. Hopefully this won't happen again.

First Time ROM, have some questions

Hello all,
Okay, so I've been to the Android Revolution 4g page here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964841
most of it is making sense, I just have a few questions. Here goes.
1) There's news that HTC should be releasing a new rom update to enable HSUPA on the inspire 4g. Is flashing an new rom going to cause issues there?
2) My computer (a laptop running windows 7 64 bit and norton anti-virus) seems to hate HTC Sync and my phone, I can browse the phone as a disk (along with SD card) but HTC sync just hates me is this going to be a problem?
3)And lastly, probably a silly question, but will flashing my rom cause me to lose all my phones onboard memory? Like non sd card apps, phonebook, etc?
I know this has probably been asked before, and I did try to find posts that were similar, but to no avail. Any help you have is greatly appreciated.

wydra91 said:
Hello all,
Okay, so I've been to the Android Revolution 4g page here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964841
most of it is making sense, I just have a few questions. Here goes.
1) There's news that HTC should be releasing a new rom update to enable HSUPA on the inspire 4g. Is flashing an new rom going to cause issues there?
2) My computer (a laptop running windows 7 64 bit and norton anti-virus) seems to hate HTC Sync and my phone, I can browse the phone as a disk (along with SD card) but HTC sync just hates me is this going to be a problem?
3)And lastly, probably a silly question, but will flashing my rom cause me to lose all my phones onboard memory? Like non sd card apps, phonebook, etc?
I know this has probably been asked before, and I did try to find posts that were similar, but to no avail. Any help you have is greatly appreciated.
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1. If your flashing AR 4G your going to have hsupa enabled anyway, so I am not sure what you are asking..
2. All you have to do is set it to disk drive, as long as you can place the rom on the sd card. Weather it is through the phone or an adapter you will be fine.There are other options if this doesn't work, but it should work for you.
3. To an extent yes. If you are flashing a ROM then you have root correct? Use titanium back up to back up your apps (none that have to do with htc). As long as your contacts are saved on your sim card or sd card they will remain intact. Your personal setting will not remain in tact you will have to set your phone up the way you want it. This is due to doing a full wipe, so you can properly flash the rom.

So..what is the function of the extSD card now? What can I use it for?

Since KitKat doesn't allow movement of photos, apps, etc. to the SD card?
Now I'm wondering what is the use of my SD card cause I can't move anything to it? I don't use music on mine due to the battery life. I have a lot of photos, not sure if I need to delete now or what. I don't want to root. Thanks!
My parents are also going to get a phone w/ only 1.3 GB usable storage. And not sure what to do with photos because I can't move them to SD cards.
Also, I'm not able to save documents or recording I created to my SD card anymore. That was a reason why I bought the lowest internal space for a tablet I have. ANy tips?

Hahahalalala said:
Since KitKat doesn't allow movement of photos, apps, etc. to the SD card?
Now I'm wondering what is the use of my SD card cause I can't move anything to it? I don't use music on mine due to the battery life. I have a lot of photos, not sure if I need to delete now or what. I don't want to root. Thanks!
My parents are also going to get a phone w/ only 1.3 GB usable storage. And not sure what to do with photos because I can't move them to SD cards.
Also, I'm not able to save documents or recording I created to my SD card anymore. That was a reason why I bought the lowest internal space for a tablet I have. ANy tips?
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I had read some really long and interesting articles and many posts about unhappy consumers concerning this issue with KitKat 4.4 and others are still wondering what it is Google is trying to do as it seems it is all based on a more secure system for our phones security wise and as for privacy and information especially when it comes to APPs that we tend to install and these APPs always wanting access to your phones information things that are very much personal. IE: Contacts, Emails, File Placement as to what the APP installs and where it installs things too.
The problem is Google did not care to inform the Public on these changes in KitKat 4.4 OS and how the SD Card is for the most part becoming some what obsolete. Many upgrading their low end cell phones that have little internal memory/storage and now using KitKat 4.4 and not knowing nothing to these critical changes of the SD Card and all that will effect their every day use of apps and gadgets such as the camera, music player, the storing of personal files etc...
My own suggestions, people can try a custom ROM or Kernel but of course there is always the warranty issue if your cell phone product is new and voiding your warranty. Avoid buying a cell phone with KitKat on it or avoid upgrading to KitKat for the time being to see what Google does and if they are going to listen to the general public and change things or not who knows... All things to think about now and in the future.
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My 2 Cents