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I am a big fan of the "Nexus" brand myself, it feels like Google's version of the iPhone, in that there is no carrier bloatware, or brand name UI's, just the "pure" Android OS.
I have owned the Nexus-One, and now the Nexus-S, and liked both these phones a lot. Before that I had an iPhone3G, it was cool when it first came out, but now I just feel the iOS is dated, and not up to date with Android or WinMo7.
Just curious as to what the next "nexus" phone will be, and when it's due out ? I heard rumors it will be an HTC made phone, called the Nexus-Two, running the next generation Snapdragon processor, that is dual core 1.2ghz. Not sure if it will be a 2.4 Honeycomb phone, or the 3.0 Ice cream ?
It will probably be a tablet with honeycomb on it.
we just got the second incarnation can we not talk about this now
All i know is that people are going to ***** cuz it doesnt have NFC *rolls eyes*
That brings up another question too, what are approx release dates for Honeycomb and Ice cream ?
I think Honeycomb is the 2.4 # ? And is that the one where the developers have been bragging will bring the MAJOR revisions to the UI, and really be a big leap for Android, not just the little changes from like 2.2 Froyo to 2.3 Gingerbread, but a huge leap forward ? Plus be the first release that is made for dual core ?
Then not sure what Ice Cream 3.0 is, if Honeycomb brings the major UI changes.
My assumption is that HTC will regain access to AMOLED and Google will return to them. And the Tegra platform is looking to be the most mainstream next year, they even announced Tegra 3
Nexus 2, Nexus 3, Nexus X, Nexus G, whatever
Zorachus said:
That brings up another question too, what are approx release dates for Honeycomb and Ice cream ?
I think Honeycomb is the 2.4 # ? And is that the one where the developers have been bragging will bring the MAJOR revisions to the UI, and really be a big leap for Android, not just the little changes from like 2.2 Froyo to 2.3 Gingerbread, but a huge leap forward ? Plus be the first release that is made for dual core ?
Then not sure what Ice Cream 3.0 is, if Honeycomb brings the major UI changes.
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It's most likely that Honeycomb is 3.0 as it will be a massive jump for tablets and phones. the 2.4 rumor was just a random tipster from androidandme.com which has no credibility at all.
But we don't know until Google officially announces it.
Thanks for the info Yeah I heard "Honeycomb" comes out on the next gen tablets due out in Feb, and then will be brought to the phones in like May or so, to be released before iPhone 5.
The spy shots of that 10" Motorola tablet looks pretty sweet.
Motorola Nexus Tab Will be out early 2011 with Honeycomb.
As far as a phone goes? No one knows. And won't know til late 2011.
I think I read something recently where Google said the Nexus brand phones will not just be the annual Christmas release only. But that there will be a "nexus" device launched with every major OS update. And that the next Nexus device will be a Honeycomb tablet. And the next Nexus phone will be running Android 3.0 "ice cream"
Guess time will tell...for now I am very happy with my Nexus-S
Well it usually takes a year for them to release such a large incremental update.
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My assumption is that HTC will regain access to AMOLED and Google will return to them. And the Tegra platform is looking to be the most mainstream next year, they even announced Tegra 3
Nexus 2, Nexus 3, Nexus X, Nexus G, whatever
It's most likely that Honeycomb is 3.0 as it will be a massive jump for tablets and phones. the 2.4 rumor was just a random tipster from androidandme.com which has no credibility at all.
But we don't know until Google officially announces it.
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Gingerbread - 2.3
Honeycomb - 3.0 (for tablets and phones soon)
Ice Cream -3.5
The more important question is, how many desert names can they come up with to apply for the rest of the alphabet? And what happens after Z?
Z = Zingers an American Snack cake... as for after that, it is anyone's guess. Maybe fruit?
Nexus M and Motorola makes it. Just a guess.
I can't wait for cookie dough.
Nexus is chosen from whomever sells the most Android phones. Nothing more.
The next Nexus will be, compared to the specifications, very fast.
It will also lack something people are going to start a couple of thousand threads about.
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The next Nexus will be, compared to the specifications, very fast.
It will also lack something people are going to start a couple of thousand threads about.
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Folks might complain about not having something to complain about, too.
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Nexus M and Motorola makes it. Just a guess.
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That's my guess as well. I see Google giving everyone a shot at the Nexus brand, in the spirit of openness. Not sure how the names will go, but it won't be held to Samsung/HTC, it'll go to whoever has the best to offer and can provide the best bang-for-buck.
Yeah I'm guessing Moto. Something doesn't feel right about them going back to HTC-- I doubt Google will want any speculation that there is a favored hardware developer. Google is juggling a ton of Android handset makers and will likely do everything to make sure they don't shift to WP7.
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Seriously, I saw a couple of reviews of the Nexus S which had actually 'NFC isn't very useful yet' as a con! That's just stupid.
On topic: I really hope Sony Ericsson. I would never buy a 'normal' Android phone from SE, because of the drastically changed interface and the Xperia X10 with 2.1 not getting updates anymore, ever. But their phones are soooo sexy. Look at the upcoming Arc! Wow! If they co-operate with Google, the only thing SE will be the master of is the outside of the phone. Google determines the interface, the updates, if dual-core is needed, etc. etc.
I just read this article, a good eye opener for those craving for ICS
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394929,00.asp
Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right. Compared to the grinding misery of the Android non-update schedule, Microsoft's transition from Windows Phone 7 to Mango is going pretty smoothly.
Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different OEMs and get its software approved by carriers. Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different form factors—phones with physical keyboards and without, for instance.
Yes, Apple gets it right too, but that's a little boring; Apple has only one OEM (itself) and a handful of models, so it's much easier to push out updates to iPhones and iPads.
Earlier this year, Google and its OEMs formed a consortium to pledge to deliver prompt updates, but absolutely zero concrete work has come out of that group. Every single U.S. Windows Phone will update to Mango within weeks. Two-year-old iPhones can get iOS 5. But owners of Android phones and tablets just a few months old have no clue when, or whether their gadgets will get Ice Cream Sandwich (or for that matter, sometimes still even Gingerbread.)
Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset, and doesn't allow manufacturers to skin the OS. I don't want to see Google take on the first requirement, as competition between chip manufacturers has been a major force driving Android's advances. But even if one chipset at a time got Android updates, it would still be a major step forward.
If manufacturer skins are really stopping updates, it may finally be time for Google to find a way to punish OEMs that can't keep up with the pace of change. Google likes to trumpet its openy-ness, but the company has always blessed and punished OEMs by giving or withholding the Android Market and Gmail apps that are necessary to have a decent Android device. Google needs to set a time limit for OEMs to implement changes.
Ice Cream Sandwich looks great. So when can we get it, how can we find apps for it, and how can app developers address the widest variety of Android devices easily? That's what Google needs to answer clearly and concisely.
and it made me think alot.
I'm an android fan, but i feel this author's opinion is quite true.
whats the point of having a good and new OS but its just available on a over priced nexus phone?
android updates are slow (i mean around 6 months or probably never). and silly manufacturers are further delaying it by their custom UI. This is just sad sad news for android.
i better stop reading news about ICS, just to make myself less miserable.
in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.
I agree, that's probably the biggest stumbling block of Android. When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.
One thing though, Microsoft controls the hardware specs of WP7 phones very closely. Sure there's differences here and there, but not as far reaching as a Galaxy 3 vs a Galaxy S2.
Well, heres my opinion about this subject:
No, it will not make things worst, i have been using android since donut with an HTC Magic, from which i had tried 2.1 and 2.2. Never resourcing from HTC's official releases.
I'll put it simple, for someone who needs a smartphone, almost every verion of android will do, you get to manage emails on the go, music, photos, market+apps, you get the point.
Now for someone that takes "what version of android i'm running" into consideration, there are solutions to run the latest. Me for example, i do take it into consideration, and i'm running 2.3.5 on a LG2X which only has 2.2 officially.
If this was real reality, what about X86 OS's? i mean, win3.1, win95, win98, win98ME, win2K, winXP, winVISTA, win7 and now win8... And im only talking about microsoft.
Theres no such thing has fragmentation. As for the development problems regarding which target android version will "I" develop to. Cmon, theres good coding or bad coding. OFC theres some API's that are only available since version X of the android version, but still, good coding would prevent the use of this API even if it means having less functionality.
I believe android is in the right track, ICS looks to have some nice improvements, although the main development i saw was design ("Make me awesome"), i believe there has been some improvements regarding stability+smoothness+usability.
Next stop is: "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right." Wait a second, google has made the most successful mobile OS and it needs to look to Microsoft for *whatever*?
"Yes, Apple gets it right too" No! if in Sascha's opinion Fragmentation is a problem, Apple is having the same issue, but it is coming later than android, mainly due to the 23454345672384 OEM's android has versus the 1 OEM Apple has! I mean, 1 oem, 1 OS = iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPod Touch Xgen, iPad, iPad 2.. FFS! fragmentation? a single oem has made more devices than most android OEM's has! (not true, but quite)
[EDIT] Sorry im berserking.
"Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset" if this was done in the Android habitat, there would be no sense in making different versions, varying prices, and so on. Fragmentation is good in some aspects, one of them being the different prices devices can get.
As for the version and updates problem, how about attacking the OEM's itself instead of Google? Since google is the main "victim" of this article, google has made all it can do to get it "corrected" (if this is a problem) and it even does not own the OEM's companies! All phones launched by google have had some nice updates, keeping it with the most recent OS all the time. (Yes i'm talking about the nexus lineup, Nexus One is 2 years old, so i guess it will not get ICS, still iphone 2G will not get iOS 5 neither.)
[EDIT2] Now i'm haywire.
Just take a look at the article comments, the writer ends up having no arguments. FFS He's calling WP7 an example for updates! saying that the OS provider has the obligation the get OEM's in line...NO! thats the good thing about Android, it is free, free to use, and free to transform. Every OEM is responsible for what they do with the devices they sell, and the OS they ship it with.
Thats like saying that my Dinossaur pc doesn't run windows 7 and call it Microsoft's fault, because my PC only have 96MB of Ram! Isn't that almost Apple-fanboy talk? The os provider must develop the HW for it to run properly.
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When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.
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That is true, except for one thing. There is a response.
If you want iOS, you have the choice of black or white. If you want Android then you have the choice of hundreds of different devices. It's a trade-off that I am more than happy with. I prefer choice over regular updates, especially when the OS is already good enough anyway.
Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
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Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
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I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs. Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.
Sorry but there's no apple fanboy like Joshua Toposlky, he is the only one in the world (sarcasm =P) that can see the bright side of both sides of the war.
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I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs.
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Thats why i did say that for a smartphone user, every android version will sufice.
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Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.
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This is almost not noticeable in the android environment because of the OEM's, not google's fault
[EDIT] OMFG! Now this is stupid, this is SO STUPID! Check this out, he makes a table of the new features that the new iOS can do, an compares it to other OS's... so lets start:
Location Based Reminders: Only iOS
Quick Camera Acess: iOS and WP7
Advanced Photo Editing tools: Only iOS
Advanced Voice Commands: Only iOS
My answer to this is: I am not going to open another URL coming from PCmag
The way Android works is that Google do not have that much control over it after the OS is designed, it gets open-sourced then it is down to each individual OEM to build a rom and get their carrier partners to approve it.
Google have deliberately chosen to not do it the more formal way as it will defeat the entire original purpose that android had.
Obviously there is more complicated steps in the process when it comes to the licencing of Gapps....
However google and the other major partners have expressed their wish to reduce fragmentation and move to ICS as soon as possible, but that article was right in that we have not been given any strict words. However any phone currently running android 2.3 and is still getting worked on (i.e. not EOL) should receive an ICS update. I know that samsung are working on very quick timetables and the SGS2 rom should be out very quickly, but based on the past experience companies like HTC may take a very long time.
in WP7 Microsoft give a rom to the OEMS to do very minor tweaks, this is then approved and released.
I think what people are missing
Here guys is the fact that android os is the only open source os out of three three majors!
This means that u don't really need the oems to have latest up to date os version. As we can c clearly in the case of cynogenmod project. Moreover, the android build it's reputation on being the most comprehensive os with most capabilities to consume the most of the hardware. This is a big plus for everybody.
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in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.
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I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?
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I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?
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I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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Ray1, i'm not upset, don't get me wrong =P i just thought you were saying that you wanted ICS now, and that you were frustraded that you didn't had. i'm only upset by PCMAG by it's acumulated stupidity.
As for the updates, there are a lot of 2.3.4/5 roms in the SGSII development sub-forum, why dont you try to flash one?
Another thing about firmware and OEM's updates:
When i buy a car, i dont expect it to be upgraded when the next generation of engines are released. When i buy a car i bought it because i needed it or i wanted it as it was being sold.
If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.
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If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.
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This doesn't make a lot of sense
Ray1 said:
I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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There is no Google talk video call in 2.3.4 nor 2.3.5..
the fact that the author wrote "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right" made him lose any ounce of credibility that he had (if he had any to begin with.)
they released WP 7 without half of the proven needs on a smartphone (eg. cut and paste), released an "update" which was basically a primer for your phone to be able to OTA update when the new "patch" was released. and it didn't even adress the issues that had people *****ing about the phone. Mango was promised to be released last year, and it's already october 2011. I got rid of my windows phone within 3 months of buying on.
so what if apple releases iOS 5 to all iphone users? half of them probably doesn't even know what's on the new OS. the other half are still marvelling over siri as some technological breakthrough. it has got to be the most boring OS i've seen. everyone holding an iOS phone/tablet/ipod looks the same as the other person holding it. oh great, you can change the wallpaper...whoopdiedoo...and buy a 200 dollar case for it! wowie.
i was a loyal windows mobile user for many many years, having used them since O2 still manufactured awesome products. I loved it for how much I could customize it to suit how I'd like it to be. I'm not paying 1000 bucks and have the company tell me how I should want it to look. I'm sorry, but a homescreen with 16 icons on it just doesn't look appealing to me. I have been blown away by what the android OS can do.
how ICS release can be bad for android users baffles me. I bet the author was wetting himself when apple launched the white iphone.
This ''issue'' can be avoided by installing CM7. This way your phone is like a nexus and has the latest updates.
Umm this isn't really google's fault by any means; whether or not ICS comes to our devices is up to the manufacturers, and it's is up to us as consumers to let them know that we don't want a customized UI, but standard android instead.
Vote with your wallets and send manufacturers complaint letters and you shall have what you wish for. Just look at the locked boot loaders issue as an example of what can be done when enough people complain and commit to a cause.
1) don't rely on Official Roms all the time, plenty of leaks for 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 have surfaced
2) Just because you are not yet on 2.3.4 doesn't mean you won't get ICS, you don't have to go up every single OS step in order...
Again Android liberty. You can pick the OEM. If you want the fastest update buy a nexus. Slower OEMs will sell lesser product in the future. And I didn't get the idea of the article. Is limiting the OSs with resolution and chips a good thing? If so what are we doing here?
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Hi all,
After ICS OTA upgrade, will I have to reconfigure and reinstall all the apps?? Also, what about the media data?
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It dosen't matter. Just backup with Titanium Backup and restore when it comes.
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Hi all,
After ICS OTA upgrade, will I have to reconfigure and reinstall all the apps?? Also, what about the media data?
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You'll want to wait for a rooted version of the OTA anyway. It'll be out hours after the source is released. Then you can just use your favorite backup app to get your stuff back.
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Do we know approximately when the ICS is set to come. Since I got the 3D I haven't really kept up with Nexus news but I'm looking to come back to the flagship.
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Samfirmware stated on twitter two days ago that it was close.
Twitter.com/samfirmware
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Don't see why it would take Google sooooo long to release the OTA ? I mean, The community has had it built for Weeks. I guess I'm just a bit too impatient and don't really feel like rooting my phone.
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I'm the same. I've rooted by all the ICS ROM's still have bugs. I'd already have a Galaxy Nexus if they did not delay and delay then have volume bugs! If they released all the drivers from day one, we'd have a million decent custom ROM's...
the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark. say what you will about apple but when an update comes out all compatible devices receive the update that day. obviously im not saying every android should get this update in a timely manner, but a phone by google made for this situation certainly should
I have a question when they said that nexus s should receive ice cream sandwich within " weeks" after galaxy nexus release. Do you guys think the clock has started or are did they mean release in the united states?
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the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark.
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Yeah, you may want to recall how us Nexus One users were treated with Gingerbread when the NS came out. ICS was probably developed primarily on the GN, so NS development slips on the totem pole. At least you are getting official ICS...
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Yeah, you may want to recall how us Nexus One users were treated with Gingerbread when the NS came out. ICS was probably developed primarily on the GN, so NS development slips on the totem pole. At least you are getting official ICS...
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yea your right, im very happy just to be on gingerbread (anyone with an x10 or intercept will agree with me) and i wouldnt even mind waiting for the update, its mostly the lack of any information from google thats killing me
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Don't see why it would take Google sooooo long to release the OTA ? I mean, The community has had it built for Weeks. I guess I'm just a bit too impatient and don't really feel like rooting my phone.
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Because unlike the Community, Google has certain standards it must meet before releasing an OTA. I mean no respect towards the community but no company could ever release partially working builds.
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the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark. say what you will about apple but when an update comes out all compatible devices receive the update that day. obviously im not saying every android should get this update in a timely manner, but a phone by google made for this situation certainly should
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The Nexus S will get a ICS update LOOONNNGGGG before any other phone will and ICS was built for the Galaxy Nexus so THAT was the first and easiest to develop for. The Nexus S is next.
I don't really care the Nexus S gets the update before other phones, I just want it asap.
I'd gladly have every compatible phone receive ICS tomorrow as long as I got it on my NS.
And, much as I don't like it; the Apple comparisons are true. Apple do release new OS available for everyone to download on the same day their new device featuring that OS is launched.
People say that it would be ridiculous to expect updates until the GN has been out a while, but why? Google should have made the next update available on the day they announced ICS.
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I don't really care the Nexus S gets the update before other phones, I just want it asap.
I'd gladly have every compatible phone receive ICS tomorrow as long as I got it on my NS.
And, much as I don't like it; the Apple comparisons are true. Apple do release new OS available for everyone to download on the same day their new device featuring that OS is launched.
People say that it would be ridiculous to expect updates until the GN has been out a while, but why? Google should have made the next update available on the day they announced ICS.
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Apple also restricts new features to older phones to encourage people to upgrade. Just look at Siri as a fine example, it's *only* available on the 4s even though it's been proven that it will run fine on the 4. Similar constraints can be found with each model upgrade.
When ICS comes out for the nexus S, it will be fully functional with no neutering of any feature. so how does one "encourage" people to upgrade? you delay the update to crank in some early sales.
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Apple also restricts new features to older phones to encourage people to upgrade. Just look at Siri as a fine example, it's *only* available on the 4s even though it's been proven that it will run fine on the 4. Similar constraints can be found with each model upgrade.
When ICS comes out for the nexus S, it will be fully functional with no neutering of any feature. so how does one "encourage" people to upgrade? you delay the update to crank in some early sales.
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all because thats true it doesnt make the other point invalid. When a new iphone comes out, all iphones (and ipod touches mind you) get the update that day.
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all because thats true it doesnt make the other point invalid. When a new iphone comes out, all iphones (and ipod touches mind you) get the update that day.
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Does the iPod second generation have IOS 5? What about the original iPhone?
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Does the iPod second generation have IOS 5? What about the original iPhone?
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is the nexus one getting ICS? how about the G1?
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is the nexus one getting ICS? how about the G1?
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Point, but this is due to hardware limitations. Siri for example will run fine on older devices. also if I know the Xda, there will be a ROM available
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Point, but this is due to hardware limitations. Siri for example will run fine on older devices. also if I know the Xda, there will be a ROM available
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of course there will be, there already are roms available now for the g1. the original iphone obviously has the same problem the g1 has, hardware limitations. When 4.0 came out the iphone 3gs was laggy and almost unusable until apple released a second update to fix the mess. But were losing sight of the point, when an OS is released by apple all phones (fine all compatible phones) get it that day. Sure it doesnt have all the features as the newest iphones, and by not all the features i mean ONE feature as in siri, but they get the update at least. What have we received since the galaxy nexus was released? And i honestly dont even care enough to keep talking about it, but when ever people hear about apple they always have to but in with "YEA BUT APPLE SUCKS CAUSE ____" which isnt the point, i was making a comparison.
like i said before all because one statement is true, it doesnt make the other statement false.
Before I start, I'd just like to say that this is just my personal rant and even though some of you may not agree, that's why I'm having this as a discussion thread.
Let's get this started then.
All I see going around XDA are people comparing their own devices to the latest Nexus device and saying 'Should I switch to the Nexus?' or a load of people rimming off the Nexus' as if they're the best thing since sliced bread.
Some of you may wonder why this bothers me. I'll tell you.
Just because a device has the Nexus brand name, it doesn't make it any better than any other phone of equal quality. A hell of a lot of people will see a device is a Nexus and immediately want to get it.
Why would you want to?
If you ask one of those people why a Nexus is so great, they'll say one of three things or a mix of the three.
The reasons are;
1) All Nexus devices look great and have great build quality.
2) It's guaranteed to have great developer support.
3) It's officially supported by Google so it will get the latest Android updates before any other device.
Now, let me tell you my response to each of those points...
1) Most Nexus devices don't look great. The only one which looks good, in my opinion, is the Nexus 7. Apart from that, none of them look any better than other devices around.
2) Yes it will have great developer support, but so do a lot of phones which are already around and have been for ages now. An example of that is the Galaxy S2. It's been around for over a year and a half and it still has more development than most phones do
3) Again, this is true. But they're not the only devices to get the Android updates quickly. This site has a smattering of great developers so it will never take long for other devices to get the latest versions, and you haven't even needed to buy a new phone just to get the latest and greatest.
So with that being said, why buy the latest Nexus device when I'm reality it isn't any better than devices which are already available?
I know some of you may be Nexus fanboys and not agree with anything I've said, but I'm hoping that some of you agree just so I know that I'm not the only person who isn't being hypnotized by the word 'Nexus'.
As I said at the top of this post, I'm leaving this as a discussion so if anyone would like to add anything extra or disagree with what I've said, then you can feel free to do so.
But whatever you do, DON'T TROLL OR FLAME OTHER PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEM!
Agree with all of the above! I'm getting it to replace my GNex.. it's a better device and I don't need two Nexuses
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True most other phones have similar specs (lol dnt want a nexus 4 anymore)
any suggestions??
My first real Android experience has been with the Nexus S 4G about one year ago today actually... i replaced my iPhone 3GS...
Being my first android experience, i didn't know what android offered until i physically had the phone in my hands... i had it for two weeks before deciding to root it and try out the latest Android at the time, 4.0 ICS... fell in LOVE with my phone after that... i only realized other Carriers/manufacturers added their own version of android after i got used to ICS and started looking for other devices to upgrade to... once i became educated with android, i realized that i got extremely lucky with my first android experience/purchase... because not only were other devices not officially updated to ICS, but the rollout of ICS took a very long time to even start getting stable ports/builds from developers... the skin thing also turned me off from wanting another device...
Simply put, even tho my phone is rooted, i can only vouch for devices that come with pure Google experience as that was my first real android experience... someone will say that you can always root your device and update as developers push out there latest ROMs for other devices... but i can't promote that to my friends/family that don't even know what rooting means (like myself before)...
i strongly promote the Galaxy S3... in fact just yesterday someone posted on Facebook asking if they should get the gs3 or iPhone 5... i was surprised to see out of around 20 replies, only 2 said to get the iPhone 5... i said gs3 but i also mentioned the Nexus 4 and its amazing price point... she looked it up but liked the gs3 look more... today she bought the gs3 because of that and because the N4 isn't available yet...
Before, if anyone asked me what phone to get, I immediately said the gs3 hands down... now my response is Nexus 4... i prefer the sleek/clean look and curved glass of the Nexus devices... the gs3 would be great IMO if it didn't have hard keys like back/home/menu at the bottom... so with that, the N4 looks better to me than any other device out there... i also loved the look of the Gnex... sadly, that one lacked in specs for me to upgrade my ns4g... and sadly the N4 lacks CDMA/LTE support for me to upgrade... now I'm kinda stuck as to what now?
Hope that was a civil response you want in this thread
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FangV said:
True most other phones have similar specs (lol dnt want a nexus 4 anymore)
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Ask in this thread mate
the1dynasty said:
My first real Android experience has been with the Nexus S 4G about one year ago today actually... i replaced my iPhone 3GS...
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I can understand why some would want the pure Google experience, but there are ROMs which provide an extremely close experience anyway. Plus with the added features they have, it seems like the logical choice to go for custom ROMs, at least in my opinion.
If you use the thread linked above, you'll be able to ask there about what device to get next if you're not too sure.
And yeah, that response was all good
Galaxy S3 was a lot slower and laggy compared to my gnex. Went back to my gnex after a week. I buy the nexus for the pure android. Its smoother, cleaner, quicker and just better.
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Galaxy S3 was a lot slower and laggy compared to my gnex. Went back to my gnex after a week. I buy the nexus for the pure android. Its smoother, cleaner, quicker and just better.
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Yeah.. noticed the same when comparing JB on my S3 to JB on my Nexus..
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Ask in this thread mate
I can understand why some would want the pure Google experience, but there are ROMs which provide an extremely close experience anyway. Plus with the added features they have, it seems like the logical choice to go for custom ROMs, at least in my opinion.
If you use the thread linked above, you'll be able to ask there about what device to get next if you're not too sure.
And yeah, that response was all good
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I know custom ROMs are available for other devices... but the only other phone on my radar was the gs3 but I hated those buttons... i enabled the on screen buttons on my ns4g and my kernel let's me dim the light on the capacitive buttons so its like they're not even there anymore lol... i lost some screen real estate but no biggie really...
I was really looking forward to the next nexus and was really disappointed to hear no CDMA/LTE support being that i have unlimited with Sprint now and I'm gonna be switching to a special unlimited plan with Verizon in a month or so... i really wanted to continue using nexus devices but looks like I'll have to go elsewhere for now... luckily, I'm content with this ns4g being that i got it tuned nearly perfect for good performance... the SD read is still a bit slow tho... i can survive until something wets my appetite again like the N4... or I'll just get the SGS4 if nothing comes out before then...
Btw, I'm on 4.1.2 right now running most apps from 4.2 system dump... so this 2year old phone can even take photosphere, and quite well i might add... no rush to upgrade devices... if rather put that money to getting the Nexus 10
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Another reason is that all of the hardwares of Nexus devices are guaranteed to be open, unlike most Samsung touchwiz devices.
Another one is that new nexus devices are all have insanely low prices as they are subsidized by Google.
Also, now nexus devices have the greatest fastest socs in the market. Just look at nexus 4's S4 pro and nexus 10's Exynos 5.
In response to your opinion,
1. Not all nexus devices have great build quality, especially those ones made by Samsung. But in my opinion, all nexus devices have great design and look. Just look at the nexus 4. It's one of the most gorgeous phones in the planet.
2. For your information, the development of the Galaxy s2 is now dead. Also, the galaxy s3 is almost dead. Those are caused by their closed source drivers.
3. Nexus devices are the first to get the STABLE, latest android version.
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The reason is that the Nexus line keeps choices simple. Also, they don't have bloat (TouchWiz, Sense, etc) - and don't say get an AOSP ROM. I have heard that they are nothing but trouble. I quite like the idea of my tablet looking like it's running the same OS as my phone. And personally, the Nexus 4 is the best looking phone out there IMO, even compared to the iPhone 5 and the Samsung S3 (the style/position of the home button killed that design). I really like the UI design of stock Android too, it's not childish or cutesy looking like the bloat or iOS. I'm into the whole 'sci-fi' theme of it.
Also, looking at most other phones, they generally fall short in certain areas, whereas the Nexus devices as of late are looking relatively well considered. After using a Galaxy Nexus, I despise the current state of AMOLED tech. That rules out almost every Samsung phone under the sun. HTC One Xes supposedly have sucky battery life (plus, Tegra 3 vs a quadcore Snapdragon simply isn't a competition at all), and I've decided that lasting less than 5 hours with the screen on (for any mobile device, tablet, phone, whatever) just isn't good enough anymore.
Tablet-wise, for an Android tablet, there is no comparison to the upcoming Nexus 10. The Note sucks and the Infinity really sucks. The iPad wants you to get into the whole Apple ecosystem with Macs and iPhones to really get the best out of things like iCloud and whatnot, and Mac sucks for software & games.
The only real competitor to a Nexus is Windows 8 and WP8, which both look great (better than Android except for the whole 'Bing' thing) but their ecosystems aren't ready for real use yet. I have to say, the Lumia 920 is packing some awesome technology, and with the winter season coming I would really appreciate the touch screen you can use with gloves on. Not to mention the typical Nokia build quality, plus it seems to have everything covered.
The Nexus phones are the quickest to get updates and don't have any OEM skins or bloatware that is forced on the users. While an AOSP ROM can be ported to any phone in theory, it takes time and there are usually hardware issues due to closed source or unavailable drivers, and also locked bootloaders.
The problem with the Nexus line is its sort of like Apple's devices in the sense that there is limited hardware choice and device's memory can't be expanded. My personal hardware tastes are for a smaller device with no more than a 4.3" screen and it must have a microSD slot. I'll put up with OEM skins, bloatware can be frozen with root, as hardware is more important to me than software. But everyone it entitled to their own opinions and preferences.
Nexus phones do have bloat. Google+, google currents, Google earth, google movies, Google books, etc. All /system apps that can't be removed. Most of them are useless.
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Personally running Slim on my S3 is fast enough for me and my aged brain, any faster and I can't keep up!
Add to that my phone is my main music player hooked up to amp and speakers, I love that I can dual boot to get Samsung best bits(few!)
Not worried about lte
Glass back may be stylish.....but is utterly stupid on a phone.
......I am stupid!.....the reasoning?..... .this is all my opinion, nobody is really interested, and I'm not really interested in theirs......ergot......I MUST be stupid for posting in first place.....
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Nexus phones do have bloat. Google+, google currents, Google earth, google movies, Google books, etc. All /system apps that can't be removed. Most of them are useless.
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Was that your final answer? I use most of those... and last I checked, u can go to the play store and uninstall all of them... don't even need root if I'm not mistaken...
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KidCarter93 said:
If you ask one of those people why a Nexus is so great, they'll say one of three things or a mix of the three.
The reasons are;
1) All Nexus devices look great and have great build quality.
2) It's guaranteed to have great developer support.
3) It's officially supported by Google so it will get the latest Android updates before any other device.
Now, let me tell you my response to each of those points...
1) Most Nexus devices don't look great. The only one which looks good, in my opinion, is the Nexus 7. Apart from that, none of them look any better than other devices around.
2) Yes it will have great developer support, but so do a lot of phones which are already around and have been for ages now. An example of that is the Galaxy S2. It's been around for over a year and a half and it still has more development than most phones do
3) Again, this is true. But they're not the only devices to get the Android updates quickly. This site has a smattering of great developers so it will never take long for other devices to get the latest versions, and you haven't even needed to buy a new phone just to get the latest and greatest.
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1) I'll agree not all Nexus look great, though that's a real personal preference thing. I for one, would prefer the Nexus one look over the Nexus s. I currently own a Gnex and I'd be honest in saying it looks alright, but I would like some changes made (Nexus 4, comes close)
2) To be fair, of course the S2 (and noteably other handsets) will have a large dev support, in terms of quantity they sell a lot more than the Nexus family (exception of the Nexus 7, that's the first Nexus priced aggressively)
3) Quick =/= first to get updates. Some people just want the newest FIRST.
I personally choose the nexus because I don't want to be caught with a device that will have a short support life (mentioned above). History shows the Nexus WILL have the most official updates:
Nexus one: Shipped with Eclair, last official version was GB
Nexus S: Shipped with GB, officially supported till Jelly bean
Gnex: Don't know yet, but its gone from ICS to JB.
If you go to dev section, there are even newer (unofficial builds) I don't buy phones every year so I want a phone that will last me 2 years at least.
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Hahah no..
Do you really think a petition will make any difference? If google decides to not give just one more Android update for the Nexus 5, than it will be over.
A petition will not prevent or do anything about that.
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Hahah no..
Do you really think a petition will make any difference? If google decides to not give just one more Android update for the Nexus 5, than it will be over.
A petition will not prevent or do anything about that.
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No srry man, some years back I've done the same thing for the Nexus 3 (Samsung Galaxy Nexus) because it wasn't getting a official Android KitKat update.
Google is such a big company... they don't care about just a petition. They have given us the promised support time, they owe us nothing.
The only thing we can do is keeping our fingers crossed and keep hoping this awesome phone will get just one more Android update.
BTW, with the ''same thing" I mean signing a petition, not creating one.
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Everything has a limit. The petition will not help. If you want Android N, then install custom ROMs. Nexus 5 was released 3 years ago and it's old enough when it comes to technology. Just buy a new Nexus if you want an official Android update, or custom ROMs like I've said.
This is what irks me about the mindset of people and manufacturers these days..
Just because a device was released a little less than 3 years ago, doesn't mean it's ready for the scrapyard yet.
I haven't played with any of the current flagships but I don't feel the need because my Nexus 5 still runs just great for me. I don't notice any real slowdowns and to me it's just as good as the day I bought it so would should I have to upgrade ???
Case in point, take a look at Apple.. I have an ipad 2 that was released in early 2011. It's on iOS V9 and just reached it's end of life for support this month with the release or iOS 10... And I FULLY UNDERSTAND because it is truly starting to show it's age and run like molasses.
Additionally the Nexus 5 still outperforms most if not all of the newly released "mid range" phones and will probably continue to outperform most of them into next year.
Because carriers subsidize phones over 2 year contracts, a lot of people prefer to go that route and get new subsidized devices. That doesn't mean that people who spend their hard earned money on a device should be obligated to buy a new one to remain current. Outside of the Nexus world I realize this gets incrementally complex with the introduction of the Manufacturers and then the carriers but that's the whole point and allure of buying a Nexus to begin with.
As noted you will see updates continue with this phone for a long time to come via custom roms which will be proof enough to show this phone is more than capable of running the latest and greatest.
I'm disappointed that Google has decided to follow what appears to be a carrier life cycle for supporting their devices.
thogz11 said:
Everything has a limit. The petition will not help. If you want Android N, then install custom ROMs. Nexus 5 was released 3 years ago and it's old enough when it comes to technology. Just buy a new Nexus if you want an official Android update, or custom ROMs like I've said.
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Done
thogz11 said:
Everything has a limit. The petition will not help. If you want Android N, then install custom ROMs. Nexus 5 was released 3 years ago and it's old enough when it comes to technology. Just buy a new Nexus if you want an official Android update, or custom ROMs like I've said.
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You have been lobotomized jk
N5 will work flawlessly under Android N. I have no doubt about that.
Luckily, we have custom ROMs but Google should support the Nexus devices for 5 years. Google complains about Android's fragmentation but they do participate by limiting their support. There's no (real) need to buy a new Nexus every 2/3 years.
"Just because a device was released a little less than 3 years ago, doesn't mean it's ready for the scrapyard yet."
This is not a mindset, it's reality and people has nothing to do but to accept it. Manufacturers keep on releasing new phones annually, even 2 phones every year.
If they don't scrap old devices, they can't sell and people won't buy the new devices. It's part of marketing. Of course Nexus 5 still performs great and I'm still using it right now running Marshmallow.
Android is different from iOS. Apple devices has longer support and there are only few iOS devices compare to Android devices. There are too many Android Manufacturers and it is still growing, even Google can't stop it. That's one of the reasons why Google limit and had to shorten its support to old devices.
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This is what irks me about the mindset of people and manufacturers these days..
Just because a device was released a little less than 3 years ago, doesn't mean it's ready for the scrapyard yet.
I haven't played with any of the current flagships but I don't feel the need because my Nexus 5 still runs just great for me. I don't notice any real slowdowns and to me it's just as good as the day I bought it so would should I have to upgrade ???
Case in point, take a look at Apple.. I have an ipad 2 that was released in early 2011. It's on iOS V9 and just reached it's end of life for support this month with the release or iOS 10... And I FULLY UNDERSTAND because it is truly starting to show it's age and run like molasses.
Additionally the Nexus 5 still outperforms most if not all of the newly released "mid range" phones and will probably continue to outperform most of them into next year.
Because carriers subsidize phones over 2 year contracts, a lot of people prefer to go that route and get new subsidized devices. That doesn't mean that people who spend their hard earned money on a device should be obligated to buy a new one to remain current. Outside of the Nexus world I realize this gets incrementally complex with the introduction of the Manufacturers and then the carriers but that's the whole point and allure of buying a Nexus to begin with.
As noted you will see updates continue with this phone for a long time to come via custom roms which will be proof enough to show this phone is more than capable of running the latest and greatest.
I'm disappointed that Google has decided to follow what appears to be a carrier life cycle for supporting their devices.
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I am not worried for the sole fact that the Nexus 5 community has done amazing things, this may become a good thing to entice further development knowing that there would be no more reasons to stay with the stock ROM. Knowing the Nexus 5 sales, it would be dumb for Google to not provide Android N for one of the most future proof devices I know of.
Don't care. Custom roms will do me just fine.
I thought Google were really supporting the Nexus line for 5 years, with 2 additional years for just security updates. I think they didn't care about users complaining for new versions.
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I thought Google were really supporting the Nexus line for 5 years, with 2 additional years for just security updates. I think they didn't care about users complaining for new versions.
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5 years? IT would be awesome, if it would be 2 years would be awesome too. With custom roms i dont care about official updates. Nexus 5 is almost 3 years.