I've been following B2G or as it's now called FireFox OS, for several months. Definitely looks interesting, especially the concept and UI. Did some digging and haven't seen anything about it in our forums yet, so thought I'd get one started.
So far it looks like only a handful of phones have any form of a port of the current version, and I haven't really seen any fully working. Definitely not expecting someone to "jump on it". Mostly just curious s to what people think about it, as well as if they'd consider using or switching to it if it ever became available on our Skyrockets.
For those that don't know what it is, here are a few links:
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/b2g/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57505442-94/firefox-os-app-store-images-leak-onto-web/
http://youtu.be/PfhmZX8AG0M
Why would I use an OS from a company that continually fails to get its mobile browser working right? I love Mozilla products on my PC, but their mobile products are lacking.
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Why would I use an OS from a company that continually fails to get its mobile browser working right? I love Mozilla products on my PC, but their mobile products are lacking.
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Agreed, except I don't use Firefox at all. I'm 100% Opera. I'm just always intrigued by the possibility of a new mobile OS.
Any news for us yet? Will we get it? I hope so!!
Are there any phones that come with Firefox OS standard? I heard about this a while ago, but I don't remember it getting much traction.
Any update to anyone working on B2G? The last time we tried, we didn't have a stable ICS, so I'm thinking it might be easier this time around if it's tried again?
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I think the main thing to consider is that the os is built using css and html5. It opens up new possibilities as far as hardware and software can communicate, this is particularly important for battery life as these concepts are developed and implemented into current devices. While I agree i don't use Firefox on android, much prefer dolphin, and I typically don't use Firefox on the pc, chrome kind of guy, that doesn't close me off from new developments. Nobody is asking you to use it, that's why manufacturers aren't shipping Firefox os phones.
On another note, I hard bricked my i9100 flashing b2g (pre Firefox os) because the Odin flash was taking 30+ minutes so I assumed something was wrong and yanked the usb cable during the repartition phase of the flash. Usb jig wouldn't work, never did send it for jtag. If I do however, I'll try it again hahaha :screwy:
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I've seen alot of the stuff on Firefox OS now its really meant for low end its not really meant to be a high end android competitor. Right now it looks like iOS with circles, so not impressed.
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I've seen alot of the stuff on Firefox OS now its really meant for low end its not really meant to be a high end android competitor. Right now it looks like iOS with circles, so not impressed.
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Well if it can achieve the aesthetics of ios using a much lighter code, that opens up new possibilities in hardware resource management. Same horsepower less weight means faster car
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Well if it can achieve the aesthetics of ios using a much lighter code, that opens up new possibilities in hardware resource management. Same horsepower less weight means faster car
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It also opens up security issues with HTML5 talking directly to hardware... Could be a serious security risk.
I see they have it working on the SGII. But that is all that I have seen...
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It also opens up security issues with HTML5 talking directly to hardware... Could be a serious security risk.
I see they have it working on the SGII. But that is all that I have seen...
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Good point, however Rome wasn't built in a day, we're finally at the front lines of operating system development, which is a great step forward compared to the traditional model of "here's what we got for you" style of os development. So while you have a valid concern, it's welcomed and I'm confident it's noted somewhere. The key here is to remain consistent with constructive criticism, which if approached in the wrong way is seen as useless *****ing.
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Are you implying that I am *****ing?
My only point is, while FirefoxOS is a very cool idea. as Google has seen with Android, security is a big concern as they rushed Wallet to the masses and then had to retract it on most carriers/devices. That has left a lasting impression that Google knows Search but not security.
I understand FirefoxOS is in it's infancy and that is why they need to address security now, not later or it will have a difficult time coming to the masses.
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I'm sorry but an is that requires internet is a no go.
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Lots of info passing around... Sounds like a security risk to me...they better figure out encrypted sessions...
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Are you implying that I am *****ing?
My only point is, while FirefoxOS is a very cool idea. as Google has seen with Android, security is a big concern as they rushed Wallet to the masses and then had to retract it on most carriers/devices. That has left a lasting impression that Google knows Search but not security.
I understand FirefoxOS is in it's infancy and that is why they need to address security now, not later or it will have a difficult time coming to the masses.
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Oh god no, I hope I didn't come across like that. Like I said, we're on the front lines of OS development.
This has been what I would consider to be constructive criticism, not *****ing.
Sorry for any misconstrued intent
No worries!
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With the announcement of webOS moving to a open source platform, am I the only one wishing for a port of webOS to the Charges' hardware? Sure its not the most powerful phone or neither does it have the strongest developer base, but I'm still hoping for it one day. This is coming from a person who had a Palm Pre Plus prior to my D'Charge, so therefore I'm very familiar with the way webOS works and I still today miss it the fluidity of the platform. So let me know, am I alone?
In theory, I suppose it could be done, as WebOS is also Linux based. However, it would take a LOT of work-I think the time put into such a project would not equal the number of people who would want to use it.
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+1 I'd love to see that, but CM7 and/or ICS comes first!
I think most people would rather see ICS ported first...
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I think most people would rather see ICS ported first...
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In all honesty I would like to see ICS before I would like to see WebOS, but I feel like these ports would be coming from different teams. From one corner their will be developers working to get ICS to all non-nexus devices and in the other corner their will be people working to get WebOS on android devices and once its done here it will be picked up by other developers and tweaked to work on the particular device they're developing for.
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I think most people would rather see ICS ported first...
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Is it true your working on ics now?
Gears Of War 3!
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Like the OP I too am a webOS convert. WebOS definitely has its strong point over Android ( no tomatos please ). But until HP gets their act together and decides on a reliable direction webOS has no chance or future.
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Call me crazy but I would also like to see a wp7 port as well. I'm really liking the look of it and all the wp7 apps in our market don't do a good enough job of recreating it, unless you dish out some money.
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Call me crazy but I would also like to see a wp7 port as well. I'm really liking the look of it and all the wp7 apps in our market don't do a good enough job of recreating it, unless you dish out some money.
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Wp7 isn't open source
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Call me crazy but I would also like to see a wp7 port as well. I'm really liking the look of it and all the wp7 apps in our market don't do a good enough job of recreating it, unless you dish out some money.
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WP7 is impossible. One, it's closed source. Two, it's not Linux based, unlike webOS and Android.
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Yea, I knew it was going to be impossible. They did manage to dual boot Android and WP7 on the HD2. One can dream though, right? Lol
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Yea, I knew it was going to be impossible. They did manage to dual boot Android and WP7 on the HD2. One can dream though, right? Lol
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you can port other version of windows phone on devices that ship with it, but not on ones that dont
unless you like getting sued my MS
i think on this device priority is some form of working aosp anyway, not webos
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Like the OP I too am a webOS convert. WebOS definitely has its strong point over Android ( no tomatos please ). But until HP gets their act together and decides on a reliable direction webOS has no chance or future.
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I guess we'll have to wait and see, I even dusted off the old Pre Plus today and played with it for awhile and when I went back to my D'Charge I kept catching myself swiping up to get out of my email.
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In all honesty I would like to see ICS before I would like to see WebOS, but I feel like these ports would be coming from different teams. From one corner their will be developers working to get ICS to all non-nexus devices and in the other corner their will be people working to get WebOS on android devices and once its done here it will be picked up by other developers and tweaked to work on the particular device they're developing for.
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just not enough developers over here...HTC is big in the development department...they have lots of development going on over there, not so much for our Samsung. Then again we got sicker screens and thinner devices..
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I guess we'll have to wait and see, I even dusted off the old Pre Plus today and played with it for awhile and when I went back to my D'Charge I kept catching myself swiping up to get out of my email.
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Indeed. I still try to swipe delete emails and text messages.
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With the release of Isis (the open-source webOS browser), is there any chance of it being ported to the Charge, or Android in general?
Also webOS. I would love to have webOS on this phone.
not going to happen
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not going to happen
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why not?
Well it is possible but a dev would have to take an interest in it and considering this phone has kinda died out with the exception of a few that's not likely to happen
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WebOS is going to be outdated soon.
This is supposed to be Google's answer to Siri Apple's iPhone 4gs favorite.
TECHNOLOGY GIANT Google is apparently working on a Siri rival that is called Majel and could be released this year.
The voice recognition software has been named after Majel Barrett-Roddenberry who voiced the computer in Star Trek. There isn't much of 2011 left but it could be released before the year is up.
Source: The Inquirer (http://s.tt/14ST5)
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2133071/google-readying-siri-rival-called-majel
Cool!!! That would be awesome.
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Well from what i understand Siri isn't exactly a ground breaking AI, but it would be Interesting to see what their take is on it.
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I miss Majel Barrett-Roddenberry. Too bad she isn't alive to give her 'namesake' her voice.
JaiaV said:
I miss Majel Barrett-Roddenberry. Too bad she isn't alive to give her 'namesake' her voice.
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Now that would if rocked and knocked there socks off!!!
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That is an extremely confusing article. For example:
I have had the chance to interact with the robot personally and it is honestly the most amazing thing that I have ever seen. I like to think of it like Stephen Hawking because it is extremely smart and you can interact with it naturally, but it is incapable of physically doing much.
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That makes it sound like an actual physical entity rather than a software solution. I think what happened is Goog is working on two separate projects and this article combined them.
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That is an extremely confusing article. For example:
That makes it sound like an actual physical entity rather than a software solution. I think what happened is Goog is working on two separate projects and this article combined them.
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They're talking about the software that is running on a physical robot.
It was only a matter of time. Microsoft is also working on a siri rival
The only platform that wont have one will probably be blackberry haha. They wont have one for another 10 years where every other platform is doing holograms like in starwars
Have you actually used Siri? What exactly about it do you thing is so great the Android needs to "rival"?
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Have you actually used Siri? What exactly about it do you thing is so great the Android needs to "rival"?
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From a business standpoint It doesnt really matter logically whats so great about it. What matters is that it can be marketed and it sells. And it does.
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From a business standpoint It doesnt really matter logically whats so great about it. What matters is that it can be marketed and it sells. And it does.
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Right....it's a gimmick like all other i(diot)Phone perks. They are so far behind that they (and their users) think they are ahead. LOL!
But can I argue with my wife through majel.....
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"Self destruct sequence initiated...."
meh...
Majhong
Other than the New York Times article, is there any reason to believe it would be out before the New Year? I would absolutely love an early build, but if it means taking another month to work the kinks out and release a solid product I would prefer that.
Also, Majel's voice would be great but I think I would choose HAL's if I had the option.
This wouldn't rival Siri, it would be significantly different in that it would integrate with our phones and its applications.
Google voice command is sufficient to me. I used Sirius and its the same but Sirius has a personality gimmick.
Edit. Sorry Siri ...autocorrect
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I hope this makes all those (Cr)apple fanboys shut up with their little siri gimmick !
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There are a few out there already that are not too bad. Iris and Assistant are two that I have played around with.
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Right....it's a gimmick like all other i(diot)Phone perks. They are so far behind that they (and their users) think they are ahead. LOL!
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+1
Mehh...Truly nothing special about it.
russell956956 said:
I hope this makes all those (Cr)apple fanboys shut up with their little siri gimmick !
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Me too!!!
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So, if i could get a Ativ dump or some other things from it, is there any chance a dev could port WP8 to the GS3? Knowing they have identitical hardware it doesnt seem impossible, but i have absolutely no idea for sure.
Maybe , id love to get a hands on a dump , to see what would be needed
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id love to get a hands on a dump
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Hahahaha. Gross.. Lol
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to each their own, i hate windows phone and that metro UI. id rather see an open webos port.
I hate windows 8 on desktops/laptops and don't particularly care for it on phones but I have to admit I would love to see it ported to pur phones so we could mess around with it! I would live a webos port too, but I think windows 8 would be a little neater.
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Windows Phone COULD be awesome... if they could get all the apps that Android & iPhone have...
I really like Windows Phone but the apps really keep me from staying. I had a Dell Venue Pro (Best Windows Phone yet, IMO) but couldn't live without my apps!!
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Windows being closed source I am guessing they can sue if it were to run on another phone.
Jelly Bean is better anyway...
I would think a port from the Ativ Odyssey for Verizon would be the best bet. (It's supposedly the same thing as the Ativ S but for Verizon).
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I would think a port from the Ativ Odyssey for Verizon would be the best bet. (It's supposedly the same thing as the Ativ S but for Verizon).
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that would be the phone i would get it from i might be getting my hands on one soon.
Wp8 closed source? Mhmmmm ..... porting will be difficult. Can it be done? I doubt it. Can I be proved wrong? Of course.
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Wp8 closed source? Mhmmmm ..... porting will be difficult. Can it be done? I doubt it. Can I be proved wrong? Of course.
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That would probably be the hardest project ever. I thought they were extremely closed source. Like it's hard to even hack it the phones themselves.
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Ok, guys, it won't happen. If you have the skill to do it yourself, for yourself only good. As soon as you post it to these forums, you will probably be banned, probably get a c&d from Microsoft, and possibly a lawsuit. You best bet is having a mod close this thread right now.
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Just because it's not open sourced doesn't mean it can't be hacked. Apple is a perfect example of that.
It's just a matter of developers actually wanting to hack it. I don't see us reaping any benefit from it other then getting to toy around with it for a few minutes..
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Just because it's not open sourced doesn't mean it can't be hacked. Apple is a perfect example of that.
It's just a matter of developers actually wanting to hack it. I don't see us reaping any benefit from it other then getting to toy around with it for a few minutes..
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It is proprietary, it is copyright infringement, it will not be distributed on xda. And lawsuits are probable
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The fact that no one has been able to even "jailbreak" a Windows phone makes me think this is highly unlikely. And the token system of unlocking they had does not count. That wasn't actually a hack.
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The fact that no one has been able to even "jailbreak" a Windows phone makes me think this is highly unlikely. And the token system of unlocking they had does not count. That wasn't actually a hack.
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Really there's no rooting/jail breaking/hacking? That sucks.. but why would anyone want to do that anyways?
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Man is android a headache, I never even want to reply to texts anymore because of the lag when opening the keyboard, or opening the message... not to mention the keyboards are terrible..
Ive had every high end android phone for the past couple years, and I have to admit.... nothing is as simple and quick as the iphone... this slight lag is killing me.
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Dude, i don't know what you're talking about, but i switched from iPhone and couldn't be happier. Mine lags not even the slightest. Sucks for you i guess..
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Man is android a headache, I never even want to reply to texts anymore because of the lag when opening the keyboard, or opening the message... not to mention the keyboards are terrible..
Ive had every high end android phone for the past couple years, and I have to admit.... nothing is as simple and quick as the iphone... this slight lag is killing me.
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the i in iphone is for idiots...cause it is idiot proof. just messin. agreed there is more things on android to mess with..so it will error more..as far as the lag..get the latest update for the phone. supposedly it fixes the lag issue. frankly I haven't seen lag either.
I guess if you like small less power old technology and paying more. I would miss apple too.
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In quoting the honorable Judge Smailes from Caddy Shack, "The world needs ditch diggers, too!"
I'm coming from an iPhone 4 and almost everything is much better/easier but there's definitely keyboard lag. Maybe it's just the Samsung keyboard.
Samsung keyboard is garbage. Goto the play store and search jellybean 4.2 keyboard
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Lol give up the apple vs. Android thing dudes, seriously? Nobody cares... I'm not talking about price, not talking about the features, just saying the iphone is snappy. Maybe android should take a step back and stop allowing so many apps run in in the ram. It shouldn't be required for us to clear the ram and close all the apps every hour to get what we are supposed to get out of the phone anyways to begin with.
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The hype of android is now over. It has become a PC like thing against apple. So history is repeating itself. Yes we know they now have a large app base unlike in 2011, when the big titles were only on ios. But now things are changed. We all know that android turns into a giant and this transformation was rapid. But if we see in detail its just like microsoft and intel. A new processor with more hertz and a new windows. So now is the point when all the ics and jb devices can do everything alike besides games.
Kids who own their devices to play games are justified to get an upgrade but for a lil older folks and retired teens. I find hard to get a reason to upgrade to some different size, when i am so used to of my phone. Its been 2 years that i am having my phone. There are lot of phones in the market now some even more bigger and some slightly small. But there is no other phone with 5.3 inch screen size. Which i think is the ideal and max for the pocket.
The bad thing that happened is that i cant use even a slightly small phone because it feels very small.
Anyone agreeing with my view or any criticism is appeciated.
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I dare you to get a note 2 and stick it in your pocket. The device fits in my jeans and dress slacks. I should add I use the ZL extended battery. The best thing about the note 2 in my opinion is its readability. I use my phone more because of it.
After rooting, flashing a custom rom, and overclocking my LG Optimus V, it became exciting one again. :laugh:
Maybe because Ubuntu Touch is coming!!! I'd go for that over Android
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Maybe because Ubuntu Touch is coming!!! I'd go for that over Android
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Ubuntu Touch is android... lol It's about as different from Android as Cyanogen. Albeit with it's own look.
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Android is basically a version of linux, jist its UI was newwhen it first came. More compatible on a phone. But if u look close. Its just the same linux that we use on the PCs. The hard part is we all just switched to android without asking them about the security of it. There ia no official claim about how secure it is. I like apple because they ade their system atleast secure.
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Android is basically a version of linux, jist its UI was newwhen it first came. More compatible on a phone. But if u look close. Its just the same linux that we use on the PCs. The hard part is we all just switched to android without asking them about the security of it. There ia no official claim about how secure it is. I like apple because they ade their system atleast secure.
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Has your data been stolen off your phone? Linux has built in security and you can't do anything major without root plus Jelly bean android added security features. Just as long as you don't download apps from unknown sources you are fine. Now we can see the OP is just another clueless apple troll.
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Well there's loads of devices out there for Android, yet there are some form factors that I'd like to see on a high end phone but doesn't come...
For instance, I wanna see a Palm Pre like QWERTY portrait slider... Also a regular QWERTY candy bar phone...
Why do the manufacturer's think that Android doesn't need a physical keyboard? The ones that do come out with physical kbs these days are poor designs and low end phones. I can think of a few people in my family who would love an Android phone with a proper physical kb.
Development have been slow for 4.3, even in Nexus community. Some ROM builders/ teams have stopped development completely. That's something bad.
androids are cool
Actually since the security issues. People are not going custom or rooted. Plus going custom is what fascinates the teens and younger folks. Its also time consuming backing up data and restoring on the newly flashed system and then going back. People now simply wait for the official update, in the past it took even a year for ics to come but now the process is quickened.
Devs are not investing time to make custom rather they are going for app development.
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Android is the strongest mobile platform out there and mobile platforms have so much room to grow. Its never been this exciting of you ask me where will they take it next
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Actually since the security issues. People are not going custom or rooted. Plus going custom is what fascinates the teens and younger folks. Its also time consuming backing up data and restoring on the newly flashed system and then going back. People now simply wait for the official update, in the past it took even a year for ics to come but now the process is quickened.
Devs are not investing time to make custom rather they are going for app development.
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Well, I think it depends... In my case I love to have devices running like I want (and no like brands want). So I don't have problem with do some backups and then try and mod some Roms.
Until when??? I have been doing this for 3 years. There is a point when you are fed up of just trying to make something perfect which according to you always have room for something new. So its just a blind chase. In the end its just a lil browsing some games messaging and calls that we have to make. A little social networking too if you use your phone cam
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Android 4.0 will be awesome, I am sure!
Do you mean 4.4 ?
I feel the opposite; its starting to get really exciting with 4.0 around the corner and really fast quad core processor/high memory phones. I love the future!
Exciting Because of exciting games
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Why not exciting?
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The hype will never end. As long as apple is there to fight.
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