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Hi,
First post (yay!) so I have a few questions:
1. Where is the 'thanks' button? There are loads of you I wanted to thank but it has not shown up on my forums where the help section said it would be. Has shown up now - guess I had to make a post before I could thanks people
2. I have the emmc chip that is prone to failure but after reading the forums it seems there may be a way to recover from it - is that right, and the chip is no longer a big problem? (Absolutely cannot afford to brick this phone as it's a present from a wife already angry that I rooted it)
3. Should I try to upgrade my HBOOT to 2.00.2002 and Radio (to what? the PCIMG88.zip from the Chinese website?) and install a new ROM, or try and revert everything back to s-on, unrooted stock rom and wait for the official update that is rolling out now in the UK? I'd prefer the option with the least chance of stress and bricking the phone.
4. After flashing a new ROM (if I do) I understand I should avoid updating/installing apps at the same time so my emmc chip isn't fried - can I reinstall 1 by 1 from Titanium backup, and won't Google start trying to download and install everything else at once? How do I avoid that?
I'm in the UK on T-Mobile PAYG with (I think) an unbranded Desire S
Android Version
2.3.3
HTC Version
2.1
Baseband Version
20.28b.30..0805u_38.03.02.11_M
Kernal Version
2.6.35.10-g13f6602
[email protected]#1
Build Number
1.28.401.1 CL24243 release-keys
Softawre Number
1.28.401.1
Saga PVT Ship S-off RL
hboot 6.98.1002
radio 38.03.02.11_Me
1.look at bottom right corner
4.if u restore all apps with titanium backup at once its ok, i think..
but when u setup your phone dont add google account to sync your app..
restore your apps and then add it..
take a look to ben_pyett signature for some useful links..
Theses are just my opinions
Thanks button to bottom right of each post next to edit button,
Don't bother upgrading you're hboot to 2.xx.xxxx (not yet any benefit)
Don't bother going back to s-on.
Don't pull battery.
I'd try to install the normal ENG bootloader over your revolutionary one if you can.
I'd also suggest installing the 4 EXT recovery instead of Cwm.
Don't do anything to you're device that you don't fully understand.
You've done the most difficult part making your device s-off now install some quality custom roms and enjoy it.
Always take full nandroid device backups prior to performing any steps on your device, so that you have a safe point to roll back to in case of problems.
When installing a new custom ROM don't enter your google account details until the last stage of the setup after the device had stopped all configuration, then go into the market app and check to see of it's installing any apps, if it is then cancel downloads, only some versions of market attempt the parallel download of several apps which has been linked to killing eMMC. Later one download one application at a time which seems ok..add suggested advice I also use titanium backup app to restore my apps after the new installation of a ROM rather than relying on market installs.
There is now more information on the eMMC issue, what was previously thought of a dead device can now be recovered but each instance is unique.
Enjoy
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium
Guys,
Thanks for the replies - when I asked about the Thanks button it wasn't there, it only appeared after I posted so that is sorted now.
Ben, I do have 4EXT already installed and a backup, this isn't my first android phone but I would still class myself as a noob - I think I know what I'm doing generally but probably don't.
I think I might try for the ENG Hboot if I can find that post but I thought I would need the 2.00.2002 Hboot for sense 3.0 roms.
What is the advantage of the ENG Hboot over the revolutionary one?
Also, I'm wondering if I will receive an OTA option to update since I have s-off and rooted - I'm pretty sure I should not accept as it looks like some people have been experiencing problems trying to install the OTA over their non-stock phones/settings.
Can anyone confirm that:
1) my phone would see the update if it rolls out and
2) I should not install it unless I go back to stock rom and s-on?
Installing a new ROM will alert my wife to the fact I have rooted it so I'm in no hurry until I decide I can't live without some spectacular new features
Yep, DO NOT INSTALL THE OTA
^when you are rooted and s-off.
It will lead to problems.
I'd really suggest you try out Hyperion ROM/Saga 3D
They are like the stock ROMs with sense 3.0 (new OTA based)
They are optimised and better than the stock ota anyway
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4myphone said:
Guys,
Thanks for the replies - when I asked about the Thanks button it wasn't there, it only appeared after I posted so that is sorted now.
Ben, I do have 4EXT already installed and a backup, this isn't my first android phone but I would still class myself as a noob - I think I know what I'm doing generally but probably don't.
I think I might try for the ENG Hboot if I can find that post but I thought I would need the 2.00.2002 Hboot for sense 3.0 roms.
What is the advantage of the ENG Hboot over the revolutionary one?
Also, I'm wondering if I will receive an OTA option to update since I have s-off and rooted - I'm pretty sure I should not accept as it looks like some people have been experiencing problems trying to install the OTA over their non-stock phones/settings.
Can anyone confirm that:
1) my phone would see the update if it rolls out and
2) I should not install it unless I go back to stock rom and s-on?
Installing a new ROM will alert my wife to the fact I have rooted it so I'm in no hurry until I decide I can't live without some spectacular new features
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You shouldn't even consider OTA updates unless you're S-ON and STOCK....
certainly don't try it on a rooted device, just asking for trouble...I always simply disable the check for updates and Tell HTC features..
There are benefits to having ENG HBOOT (although I'm not 100% of all of them) I believe that you're able to downgrade easier, should you require the HBOOT number also doesn't stand out like a sore thumb......6.xx.xxxx should you want to return device!
All the new Sense 3.0 and Sense 3.5 ROMS work on old HBOOT, so just no point in upgrading, I did the upgrade before I released this and it's not worth going back.
EDIT: You also need to have a word with the misses! It's now your phone so you should be able to do what you want to it - whatever makes you happy!!
ben_pyett said:
You shouldn't even consider OTA updates unless you're S-ON and STOCK....
certainly don't try it on a rooted device, just asking for trouble...I always simply disable the check for updates and Tell HTC features..
There are benefits to having ENG HBOOT (although I'm not 100% of all of them) I believe that you're able to downgrade easier, should you require the HBOOT number also doesn't stand out like a sore thumb......6.xx.xxxx should you want to return device!
All the new Sense 3.0 and Sense 3.5 ROMS work on old HBOOT, so just no point in upgrading, I did the upgrade before I released this and it's not worth going back.
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Was the hboot update 2.xxxx official, or was it from the Goapk forums?
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olyloh6696 said:
Was the hboot update 2.xxxx official, or was it from the Goapk forums?
Sent from my HTC Desire S using xda premium
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Mine? think it was from the forums, but, same version number as OTA released HBOOT? why do you ask?
ben_pyett said:
Mine? think it was from the forums, but, same version number as OTA released HBOOT? why do you ask?
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Oh, just wondering, as i never saw the update posted officially...
So if it is official, why does the official sense 3.0 rom not make full use of the new partitions?
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olyloh6696 said:
Oh, just wondering, as i never saw the update posted officially...
So if it is official, why does the official sense 3.0 rom not make full use of the new partitions?
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I believe this is because the cooks have made it this way.....My understanding is that the "official" S-On OTA upgrade installs the new version HBOOT and makes use of this new layout.
Someone correct me if this is wrong?
ben_pyett said:
I believe this is because the cooks have made it this way.....My understanding is that the "official" S-On OTA upgrade installs the new version HBOOT and makes use of this new layout.
Someone correct me if this is wrong?
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Oh right !
How can a OTA install a new hboot, radio, and complete new UI, but the user doesn't lose any data ?!
It's strange .. when we want to upgrade, we have to do a full wipe
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Hi there,
I've been at this all day. I rooted my Desire S a few months ago without issue. I can't seem to return my phone to stock. The reason I want to is I have an OTA update from Orange (France) for my Desire S. It'll bring it up to And 2.3.5 and Sense 3.0. I know I could probably find ROMs around, but I always like to take advantage of free operator updates, when I can. The update just will not install.
I've flashed the phone with hboot.img, 4EXT's image for the Desire S, ClockWorkMod, everything. Nothing has worked. I have tried lots of the guides and tutorials here, but nothing seems to return the phone to S-ON or remove the HBOOT 6.98... that it has.
Can anyone point me in the right direction here?
Thanks a million guys,
T
Flash an hboot 0.98.2000, then run an older/latest RUU, then apply update if you aren't on the latest.
It will be 10 times faster to just flash a pre rooted stock ROM or any sense 3 ROM. No point in "taking advantage" your logic there is flawed.
Try this post:GUIDE: new hboot 2.00.2002 for sense3.0 adnroid 2.3.5 which is very good or the other here: Guide: New hboot 2.00.2002 (ENG S-OFF)
I want to downgrade my desire S to be able to use revolutionary.
Can I use this method? (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399331)
My Desire has the following specifications:
- 2.3.5
- Hboot 2.000.002
- 2.10.401.8
What version do I download the RUU? 2.10.401.8?
If this method does not work what happens? The phone continues to work the same way?
Thanks
Fredericosilva said:
I want to downgrade my desire S to be able to use revolutionary.
Can I use this method? (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399331)
My Desire has the following specifications:
- 2.3.5
- Hboot 2.000.002
- 2.10.401.8
What version do I download the RUU? 2.10.401.8?
If this method does not work what happens? The phone continues to work the same way?
Thanks
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I really wish you wouldn't do that. Switching indiscriminately between HBOOT versions is one possible way (if something goes wrong) to convert your Desire S to one very expensive paperweight. Most new ROMs require the newer HBOOT. Guaranteed you won't be staying long on the old HBOOT. But if you insist, a brief glimpse at the Dev section should satiate your curiosity.
Saipro said:
I really wish you wouldn't do that. Switching indiscriminately between HBOOT versions is one possible way (if something goes wrong) to convert your Desire S to one very expensive paperweight. Most new ROMs require the newer HBOOT. Guaranteed you won't be staying long on the old HBOOT. But if you insist, a brief glimpse at the Dev section should satiate your curiosity.
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So what you recommend to do root and install a new rom? The only way I have to s-off is downgrade hboot, for now...
Fredericosilva said:
So what you recommend to do root and install a new rom? The only way I have to s-off is downgrade hboot, for now...
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Ok. Downgrade. But it's as easy as pushing the appropriate HBOOT to your device via ADB. If you've downloaded the appropriate HBOOT, you're almost there. It's as easy as using this tested & trusted method
Saipro said:
Ok. Downgrade. But it's as easy as pushing the appropriate HBOOT to your device via ADB. If you've downloaded the appropriate HBOOT, you're almost there. It's as easy as using this tested & trusted method
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I believe it's not that easy. Engineering HBOOT (or any HBOOT for that matter) can't be flashed without S-OFF, since HTCDev-unlocked bootloader won't accept that flash, from ADB or any other source - the writes just won't go through, they'll be cached by eMMC and lost upon reboot.
So, as the OP says, he has no choice but to downgrade.
OP, there's a sticky in Development section, ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT/HBOOT/etc. Please read it instead of posting, and you'll discover 3 guides (at least).
Jack_R1 said:
I believe it's not that easy. Engineering HBOOT (or any HBOOT for that matter) can't be flashed without S-OFF, since HTCDev-unlocked bootloader won't accept that flash, from ADB or any other source - the writes just won't go through, they'll be cached by eMMC and lost upon reboot.
So, as the OP says, he has no choice but to downgrade.
OP, there's a sticky in Development section, ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT/HBOOT/etc. Please read it instead of posting, and you'll discover 3 guides (at least).
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Well, that could be. But a few people seem to have done it via ADB. What really puzzles me is the number of people who unlock their phones using HTCDEV. It's unbelievable!
It seems much easier and less intimidating than S-OFF guides.
And then they're getting stuck, because they usually don't understand a thing in what they did. And then they come and open endless threads "Ok, I unlocked with HTCDev, now what do I do". Oh well, such is life...
mr
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Jack_R1 said:
I believe it's not that easy. Engineering HBOOT (or any HBOOT for that matter) can't be flashed without S-OFF, since HTCDev-unlocked bootloader won't accept that flash, from ADB or any other source - the writes just won't go through, they'll be cached by eMMC and lost upon reboot.
So, as the OP says, he has no choice but to downgrade.
OP, there's a sticky in Development section, ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT/HBOOT/etc. Please read it instead of posting, and you'll discover 3 guides (at least).
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Hmm confusing this root is....
Hmm been reading for a week now, I have the same Hboot and RUU and I'm a bit puzzeled.
I don't want to go the HTCDev way, because of the limitations afterward.
I have an unbranded Desire S, S-on and locked, with Hboot 2.00.0002.
- When I understand it right there is no other way then a downgrade right?
- This downgrade has to be done with Zergrush (although I thought it didn't work for 2.3.3 and above?) to gain temp root, then the misc_version to fool the phone so we can use the older RUU (not sure which one to take though, the oldest WWE?)
Now I could s-off through AlpaRev, but I have a question or two there as well
- I want to work with the Engineering Hboot (seems to be better?), can I do this directy via AlphaRev Iso, or do I need to flash/push it later? What would be the advantage over using the Alpharev one?
- Similar question, but now about the recovery that comes with Alpharev (CWM). I prefer 4EXT, can I bake that in in one go, or do I rather use the 4EXT installer from the market afterward?
Feel free to comment on my noobness, but on my desire it was a lot easier.
Don't want to end up with a paper weight.
Cheers
May the force be with you...
Edit: quoted the wrong post...
You sound very well informed and have done your research well, something to be commended.
Downgrade hboot, soff with revolutionary then afterwards fast boot flash eng hboot
Eng hboot is better IMO, as provides you more options
Swyped firm ym Desire S unsig XAD Permuim
ben_pyett said:
You sound very well informed and have done your research well, something to be commended.
Downgrade hboot, soff with revolutionary then afterwards fast boot flash eng hboot
Eng hboot is better IMO, as provides you more options
Swyped firm ym Desire S unsig XAD Permuim
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Thanks for the boost of confidence, I'm no cmd line hero, hence the hesitation.
I used mainly terminal emulator to push recovery, hboot were easy as well with the right zip.
Could you comment in further detail about my RUU question and tell me if it is possible to add EXT4 install with Alparev?
Is this btw also a downgrade of the os and radio? I.o.w. does this process leave me with an old radio and os (2.3.3 without 3.0 sense)?
I understood as well that the hboot 0.98.0000 and 0002, work only with RUU containing 2.3.3?
Does this engineering boot work with 2.3.5 and above?
What confuses the hell out of me is the need to relock the phone, wasn't the whole idea not the direct opposite?
Why this need to relock?
Again, cheers for the help, on the old desire this was all quite easy obtained by just reading and a lot less command line code..
germsandbugs said:
Thanks for the boost of confidence, I'm no cmd line hero, hence the hesitation.
I used mainly terminal emulator to push recovery, hboot were easy as well with the right zip.
Could you comment in further detail about my RUU question and tell me if it is possible to add EXT4 install with Alparev?
Is this btw also a downgrade of the os and radio? I.o.w. does this process leave me with an old radio and os (2.3.3 without 3.0 sense)?
I understood as well that the hboot 0.98.0000 and 0002, work only with RUU containing 2.3.3?
Does this engineering boot work with 2.3.5 and above?
What confuses the hell out of me is the need to relock the phone, wasn't the whole idea not the direct opposite?
Why this need to relock?
Again, cheers for the help, on the old desire this was all quite easy obtained by just reading and a lot less command line code..
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Yes once downgraded you will be on 2.3.3 and sense 2.1.
Did it myself a week back. Don't want sense 3.or 3.5. Perfectly happy with sense 4 and go back to 2.1 for camera.
Coming to the hboot.
you should definitely flash an eng-hboot, which is good on case you need warranty.
I would recommend you to go for the old eng hboot 0.98 as it had a larger cache memory. So should stay on 0.98 unless facing issues.
I don't think you need to relock again. That would be needed only if you need to go for warranty
If you follow the steps listed, out should be straight forward. Let me know if you need any help.
Swyped from a primed Desire S
A while back I flashed a rom onto my HTC sensation.
Current Specs:
Android Version- 2.3.4
HTC Sense Version- 3.0
Software Number- Pyramid3Dv8.21 xe
Yet, With all these new releases and roms, I have no idea where to start :/
Currently scared to do anything since I'm afraid to brick my phone.
I'm sorry if this has or been answered somewhere else.
But, Could someone lead me into the right path to upgrading to the new Firmware + what I need to install for the new 3.0.0+ roms?
I will really appreciate it.
Thank you for reading this.
First you require some basic one time steps that you need to do
This is the guide to do those
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Follow the steps carefully.... Also you can do soff if your hboot is <= 1.18 hboot
Chk the guide for steps to see your hboot
Then for installing ICS roms
This is the best guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472298
sent from my blazing fast pyramid through sonic waves
Android Version- 2.3.4
HTC Sense Version- 3.0
have you been living under a rock?! you'll love ICS and new Sense
alexown said:
A while back I flashed a rom onto my HTC sensation.
Current Specs:
Android Version- 2.3.4
HTC Sense Version- 3.0
Software Number- Pyramid3Dv8.21 xe
Yet, With all these new releases and roms, I have no idea where to start :/
Currently scared to do anything since I'm afraid to brick my phone.
I'm sorry if this has or been answered somewhere else.
But, Could someone lead me into the right path to upgrading to the new Firmware + what I need to install for the new 3.0.0+ roms?
I will really appreciate it.
Thank you for reading this.
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try ORdroid (OR) ARHD Roms they r awesome.....
thanks for shinz.& mike for there awesome work
I understand about the new stuff in a way
But, What do I do since i'm not updated yet?
Install stock firmware and update regularly then redo the Process?
or is there someway I can Just update without having to redo S-OFF
I believe you can simply flash the 3.32 firmware and then update to the new ICS ROMs. No need to S-OFF again since you're running the older hboot version (that is, I'm assuming you're still running hboot 1.18 or lower since you haven't updated your phone in a while and you're already rooted and stuff).
The second link that ganeshp posted should be all you need to know.
alexown said:
I understand about the new stuff in a way
But, What do I do since i'm not updated yet?
Install stock firmware and update regularly then redo the Process?
or is there someway I can Just update without having to redo S-OFF
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Hi,
It is not clear if you are s-off or not.
Once you are s-off,that will remain no matter what you do(unless you choose to s-on again )
If you are s-off,and you want to upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich(ICS) then,everything that you need is in THIS THREAD.
Read it carefully,then read it again!
If you still have questions,ask in that thread or here.
Good luck.
alexown said:
I understand about the new stuff in a way
But, What do I do since i'm not updated yet?
Install stock firmware and update regularly then redo the Process?
or is there someway I can Just update without having to redo S-OFF
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first of all check your HBOOT version (from bootloader -> volume down + power)
if its 1.18 or less(this is only required for SOFF ...if you are already SOFF follow the rest of steps from the guide)...then just use my guide(1st link) for basic steps to keep your phone ready...for flashing custom roms
then for ICS you first need to update your firmware...which was awesomely explained on how to do it from the second guide link I've provided....
remember once you've updated you firmware you can not boot into your OLD GB rom as it is not compatible so you need to get the ICS ROM you want to install on your sdcard before doing firmware update so that you can just flash the ROM directly after updating the firmware
that's all you require...(my best suggestion is READ READ READ...until you are crystal clear)
Had my HTC ONE S for a while now
When i first got it i followed all the guides to unlocking the bootload and rooting etc and ended up running viper rom, and various others along the way. You know how it is!
Anyhow i was fiddling once and some how managed to delete the sd card and it wouldnt mount.
I fixed that and im not sure if its a coincidence but i now have random call drops even with a good signal. radio randomly coming on and music apps closing...........mainly when using head phones....................
The following is what was suggested to me.................
Sneakyghost said:
Not easy. I'd say do S-OFF as the very first thing (well relatively, of course do the unlock, do the SuperCID, then...). S-OFF ensures you can just flash any RUU and no matter if locked or unlocked or on custom ROM or not.
You can also only do SuperCID and flash any RUU.
Once done, pick the 3.16 WWE RUU. Please do NOT do the OTA which is offered on that RUU if you do not have S-OFF yet as that OTA disables any chance to get S-OFF currently.
If you happen to sit in the US and are on Tmobile, check HERE for latest tmob RUU because you might want Wifi calling and such. Else, just select any you like. I recommend WWE though.
Not really hard then once you got S-OFF. The hard part is understanding S-OFF procedure. If you get that done everything else is pretty easy. There is a thread for S-OFF with a good guide.
Regarding GPS Fix from Crypted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1563226 (have that open in my browser always cause its a magic little fix)
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Apparently my htc one s is a international one?
Your CID "HTC__001" Suggests you have an international one X and not a carrier locked one xl. You will need to post in the international one x forums.
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Any ideas on what i do now as i cant find a htc one s international forum?
EDIT: regarding the above, no one seemed sure and i couldnt seem to find a definitive answer so rather than messing around changing the cid and risking a brick. Some one suggested RUU_Ville_U_ICS_40_S_HTC_Europe_2.31.401.5_Radio_1.06es.50.02.31_10.09a.50.04L_release_275655_signed.exe
as my radio is 1.06es 50.02.31 and the 2.31 works with hboot of 1.14 which mine also is....................
after all this im even more confused lol!
So currently ive relocked the bootloader using fastboot and run the above RUU and im back to stock i believe?
What would one suggest?
im on hboot 1.14.0002 and radio is 1.06es i believe.
Ideally id like to get back to viper rom
Might test for a few days if i can resist a custom rom just to check
thanks
Even I'm on hboot 1.14.. Get an S-OFF, flash a latest radio ie., 1.15. That should work.
so ifi flash s off i can run any run any ruu without risk of bricking? by changing the cid thing thanks?
Gavin01 said:
so ifi flash s off i can run any run any ruu without risk of bricking? by changing the cid thing thanks?
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Risk of bricking came from.SUPER-CID and OTA update, also downgrading h-boot.
first get supercid, then get S-off, then change cid back to original or desired one. if you have a international S4 device original cid wil do fine.
then ruu what you want, s-off simplifies flashing of ruus and roms and more things.
if you might update the device with latest jb without S-off you cant get S-off no more (as of now), you now have the option.
you can always revert back.
Right guys im still not reallty understanding all this sorry.
My phones now coming up with OTA update which i understand i shouldnt run as this then blocks all chance of getting S-Off in the future?
As i understand it my HTC one is a international one so i dont need to change the cid?
So i need to do is get S-Off and run another RUU?
Ill try and follow the guide to S-Off but even that im struggling with Can anyone tell me what RUU i should be running when i manage to get S-Off. My details are above in the first post i think>?
Thanks for your patience.
You need supercid to get soff (face palm)
Then change cid back to original HTC one. To do any otas you want.
Advice:
Before you start. look at your current software version Google the ruu from that info, save the file. When need to ever change back in the future, and then ota back to latest version.
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im still scared of this super cid thing as ive read a few people have bricked their phones
Although i keep getting the annoying message that a system update is available so i must try and do something soon.
Unless i just go straight to viper
Gavin01 said:
im still scared of this super cid thing as ive read a few people have bricked their phones
Although i keep getting the annoying message that a system update is available so i must try and do something soon.
Unless i just go straight to viper
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If it's just the message you want to get rid of, just turn off automatic update checks.
HTC_One_S | S-OFF | ViperOneS_2.2.0 | Black&Blue_Inverted_Sense | Bulletproof_1.4
Inverted Sense _4+_and_5_click me
Hello
Ok .. since i see some nice gentlemen here responding to queries with patience .. I'd like to post one myself.
I obtained S-Off the very next day i got my One S .. things were running smooth on stock. Looked out for some ROMS and finally installed one. Now I want to revert to my stock ROM while maintaining S-off/root. My problem is only that i don't find this ROM stable or the kernel .. just want to revert to stock.
Will flashing 3.16 WWE RUU take me back to stock firmware and kernel?
Would really appreciate the help