Sorry if this question does not belong here,
I'm getting a new phone soon but it has become very difficult for me to decide wich one I'm going to finally get. My two options are the Galaxy S I9000T or the HTC Inspire 4G. Now this are the details:
I'm concerned about the battery life on the Inspire but I love the camera and the larger screen.
On the other hand, I love the Galaxy S image quality and front camera but the 5Mpx camera and no flash make me think about it
In my Country there are no plans yet to implement 4G so this is not a feature I worry about.
The Galaxy S model is now more than a year old and there is even a Galaxy S2, the inspire was released this year
I need to sleep again so please give me a hand, I would really appreciate any comments or suggestions you may have
Thanks in advance
I have had both, several times
I found the 5MP camera on the Galaxy S far superior to the 8MP unit on the Inspire/DHD. Not having a flash can be a let-down, but the better image and video quality make up for it I think. The photos look much better at full resolution, decent detail and good colour.
If you're not an extremely heavy user, you can get the better part of two days from the DHD. I found battery life about par for both devices, without modifying anything (straight out of the box).
Personally, I found the colours far too distracting on the Galaxy S. The screen is nice and the blacks are truly black, but everything else just seemed a bit too saturated for my liking. If you're into bright colours though, you'll love it. Just make sure you don't use a white background!
As for build quality, the Galaxy S is all cheap glossy plastic, while the DHD is Aluminium and plastic. The DHD battery flap/door is horrible to remove and replace. The Galaxy S really needs a case to keep it looking nice (on second thought, they both do). The Galaxy S is lighter, so if you don't like to feel too much weight in your pocket it's a better bet.
I'll hang around and see what you decide, if you had any other questions you can post here or drop me a PM
Good luck!
I own a Samsung Galaxy S, so far I have enjoyed it.
The only annoying thing is the sweep glass to unlock screen, which can be a bit of a pain if you try to sweep it too quickly or not far enough. But it's been compatible, reliable and able to cope with anything I've thrown at it so far. I also dropped it about 2-3ft onto solid concrete without any damage, maybe a couple of small scratches on the back, but I wouldn't suggest doing this regularly
I've also rooted and flashed it without any hiccups if your interested in doing that.
Camera? then Galaxy S.
My wife has Galaxy S because she wanted a good camera phone.
Except for not having shutter button, Galaxy S's camera is the best
I have ever tried. Even under dim lighting, it's better than 8MP camera with LED flash.
Samsung even took the HD commercial film for their GalaxyTab with
Galaxy Ss. You can check the video quality here in the Youtube link.
Search "galaxytab commercial yuna kim" in Youtube.
(I cannot put the outside URL since I am a new member)
I own a Samsung Galaxy S, but as I do not know much about HTC Inspire 4G I will not vote.
Generally I am quite satisfied with my device, the only problem being that although I do not use the phone very much, and brightness is set on very low, the battery almost dies at the end of one work day. I think that it is me doing something wrong, though.
Thanx for all our answers and advices, Im still watching some YouTube reviews before I take my final desition (and get all the money I need $1'020.000 Colombian pesos)
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i love the galaxy s and all the modding capabilites. performance is great. THAT BEING SAID, i would friggin love to have a flash on the camera. dont really care about front facing camera but its cool i guess. as long as the inspire can be rooted and everything, maybe i'd go with that
Speaking of camera flash, I still never photographed anything serious at night, but last night I tried the night scene mod with my Samsung Galaxy S and the result seemed very good. As long as there is some light source the photos are bright enough.
Of course if you photographed in total or almost complete darkness you'd need a flash, but how often does it happen? You usually need a flash when you photograph at night with weak artificial light around, and the night scene settings takes care of that.
I'll be switching to an AT&T concession line within a week. After comparing their current offerings for about an hour in two different stores, I'm leaning toward the Skyrocket due to it being the only one (besides the standard Galaxy S2, that is) that delivered an iPhone-like smooth experience. I would just get an iPhone, but despite being a Mac person I honestly feel that the lack of personalization and ho-hum screen size make using it an underwhelming experience. I reset several (including all three LTE phones) to factory defaults, tweaked some basic settings a bit, and put them through their paces doing my best to replicate my typical usage. The Vivid won me over in the build quality and ergonomics departments, but as much as I like some features of Sense that make for a great usability experience (keyboard, contacts integration) it's undeniably to blame for some jittery/choppy performance that crops up too often and the customization of the Android OS renders manufacturer UIs largely moot. I thought that I could just root/overclock the Vivid to counteract its shortcomings, but have come to learn that it has a locked bootloader that seemingly has no fix in sight. (VERY disappointed in HTC/AT&T for doing this) While not a big deal to most, the Vivid's speaker was also barely acceptable in volume (as I've come to expect from their devices) while the Skyrocket reached a great level. (as I've also come to expect from Samsung) The LG Nitro was extremely poor in this regard and, as I use the speaker on my phone quite a bit, pretty much took it out of the running.
...but I digress for the rambling. Moving on to the purpose of this thread: the screen. It's a prominent part of any modern smartphone and it's the one feature keeping the Vivid in the running and making me doubt the Skyrocket. As an owner of an ISFd Pioneer Elite Kuro, (also known as the undisputed king of flat panel picture quality) the former immediately impressed while the latter made me recoil in horror. (as did the standard S2) The Vivid's qHD display is naturally sharp, has great color fidelity/saturation, and has a fairly neutral grayscale. The Nitro's 720P display was also nice, but the grayscale tinged noticeably blue and was a bit on the soft side overall. I didn't have a problem with the Skyrocket's resolution as I didn't see any obscene artifacts on text and it looked a bit sharper than the Nitro, but the unnaturally saturated colors were harsh and the grayscale (white in particular) is an absolute joke. The black level is excellent and clearly better than both the Vivid (good black) and Nitro, (respectable) but that's the only advantage amongst numerous critical deficiencies. I can overcome the Skyrocket's plasticky feel and too-flat design with a case and, as previously mentioned, am confident that I can customize the device to make up for any UI shortcomings, but if there's one thing that can ruin my experience with this device it's the screen.
So, a question: what are my options in correcting the screen inaccuracies on this device? The oversaturation I could probably deal with, but the grayscale/white balance is my primary concern. I do not want to read a web page like this one where the text is floating in a sea of blue. One review I came across (I've watched/read many for several devices) mentioned a free app called "Screen Adjuster," but upon further reading found that the Skyrocket's grayscale isn't linear so if one calibrates to perfect white then gray/black could actually be tinged a color like red or throw off color reproduction. Are there any apps/mods that will solve this issue? Is there a custom ROM out there that corrects this issue? Any help is appreciated.
I have had the SR for about 7 weeks now....Do not have any issues you are writing about.. There is nothing wrong with this screen.. people have too much time on their hands to be complaining about a " screen issue" that only exists in the owners' mind.
Get the phone, enjoy the phone.. live life and have fun..
I mean if its posted on the net, it must be true right?
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I have had the SR for about 7 weeks now....Do not have any issues you are writing about.. There is nothing wrong with this screen.. people have too much time on their hands to be complaining about a " screen issue" that only exists in the owners' mind.
Get the phone, enjoy the phone.. live life and have fun..
I mean if its posted on the net, it must be true right?
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So your just going to be an a-hole and post nothing constructive? No one gives a crap about your little pearls of wisdom, grow up. If you are not having issues with your phone or dont have the ability to properly examine and interpret the correct color temperature of a display then move on.
Now back to the OP, I also see the color imbalance in the displays, unfortunately this has been an issue since the original Galaxy S phones. The AMOLED displays seem to be particularly difficult to adjust for all scenarios so they end up with a much cooler (bluish) temperature by default. I am certainly no expert, but Supercurio did some amazing things with the original Galaxy S phones with the VooDoo app that was able to properly adjust and tweak the screen to your particular taste. I am sure it wont be long before the dev community is rolling with new ROMs and tweaks that will resolve the issue on this version as well, just hang tight.
http://project-voodoo.org/color
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So your just going to be an a-hole and post nothing constructive? No one gives a crap about your little pearls of wisdom, grow up. If you are not having issues with your phone or dont have the ability to properly examine and interpret the correct color temperature of a display then move on.
Now back to the OP, I also see the color imbalance in the displays, unfortunately this has been an issue since the original Galaxy S phones. The AMOLED displays seem to be particularly difficult to adjust for all scenarios so they end up with a much cooler (bluish) temperature by default. I am certainly no expert, but Supercurio did some amazing things with the original Galaxy S phones with the VooDoo app that was able to adjust and properly tweak the screen to your particular taste. I am sure it wont be long before the dev community is rolling with new ROMs and tweaks that will resolve the issue on this version as well, just hang tight.
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Like I said.. get a life and find a girl. maybe you won't waste all your time about your "screen" issue... .... Don't worry Santa might bring you a girlfriend..
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I have had the SR for about 7 weeks now....Do not have any issues you are writing about.. There is nothing wrong with this screen.. people have too much time on their hands to be complaining about a " screen issue" that only exists in the owners' mind.
Get the phone, enjoy the phone.. live life and have fun..
I mean if its posted on the net, it must be true right?
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These are issues that I've seen first-hand and a simple A-B comparison is all that's needed to ensure that it's not "in (my) mind." And you're right, there may be nothing "wrong" with the screen to you. Heck, the vast majority purchases a TV, takes it home, never touches the settings, and blissfully watches an absolute crap picture. I'm sure that these people would agree with your sentiments. By all means, don't let my perspective in any way hamper your enjoyment of this phone. For a videophile (and audiophile...) like me, however, the display on the Skyrocket and Galaxy S2 is poorer than average at default (taking into account phones, televisions, monitors, laptops, etc.) and getting the white point closer to 6500K would go a long way in remedying that.
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So your just going to be an a-hole and post nothing constructive? No one gives a crap about your little pearls of wisdom, grow up. If you are not having issues with your phone or dont have the ability to properly examine and interpret the correct color temperature of a display then move on.
Now back to the OP, I also see the color imbalance in the displays, unfortunately this has been an issue since the original Galaxy S phones. The AMOLED displays seem to be particularly difficult to adjust for all scenarios so they end up with a much cooler (bluish) temperature by default. I am certainly no expert, but Supercurio did some amazing things with the original Galaxy S phones with the VooDoo app that was able to properly adjust and tweak the screen to your particular taste. I am sure it wont be long before the dev community is rolling with new ROMs and tweaks that will resolve the issue on this version as well, just hang tight.
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Thank you very much for your input! Glanced at your link and it seems to be a direct reference to my inquiry! Will definitely read!
Also, thanks for the reassurance that this can be solved with ROMs. I suspected, but as I've never actually gotten that in depth with the admittedly entry-level Androids I've previously owned this is all fairly new to me.
Just watch this video and you can see the raw performance of this phone, even when clocked lower than the Galaxy S5. People still want to argue that TouchWiz does not lag! HTC has done an excellent job at making this phone very close to a stock Android experience and this just proves it. Just thought it was an interesting video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChf8nhi2tM
A REALLY good "honest" review of the Samsung Galaxy S5 vs HTC M8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0q362kb3DA
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Just watch this video and you can see the raw performance of this phone, even when clocked lower than the Galaxy S5. People still want to argue that TouchWiz does not lag! HTC has done an excellent job at making this phone very close to a stock Android experience and this just proves it. Just thought it was an interesting video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChf8nhi2tM
A REALLY good "honest" review of the Samsung Galaxy S5 vs HTC M8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0q362kb3DA
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first video about app opening speed:
IMO He needs to have them both set to max frequency or stop referring to the extra 200MHz that the S5 has over the One, which frankly is nothing.. It is quite possible the cpus on both devices are not running at top/max so how would anyone know from that test, of opening apps, if the 200MHz even matters, if say the cpus were not ramping up all the way.. I can see what he is saying though at "stock" settings "this: is how they perform. But none of like stock settings here LoL...
And I played with both phones in the store and couldn't bare to play with the S5 any longer than a few seconds past a minute. the Htc One was tied down a good twenty feet away from the S5 so I couldn't compare app opening that closely but the Htc one was lightning quick and the S5 seemed like my S4 in speed for opening apps, slower than the One and faster than the s4, not by much... One winner One to rule them all forever...huh hmmm unless htc locks there future phones' bootloaders down so that its beyond military grade encryption then I may loose that idea./
all in all I like the idea of water proofing but I saw a film where the One was submerged in a sink of water for thirty minutes and the screen was still operating. I saw a film where the One was put in water and the sound didn't work afterward.. I dont plan on getting it wet or dirty, much the opposite. dirt and water sand can never be any good =] I like the idea of the Z1 and taking video underwater.. that is pretty cool..huh hmmm Htc that would be cool guys. imo
THe second video is very good IMO. Also IMO If Htc One would have just had a 16 mp camera with 4k video they would have made the xtra millions they have been needing to make. Its hard to believe that they threw a 4mp camera at us and said here we are so good millions of you will buy our phone despite the 4mp camera. and I am very aware of their reasoning and it takes great photos and video but on paper 4mp is so old school.
more of my opinion
My Hercules had eight mp that came out in 2011 takes great photos still. Still and because of Viper ROMs I would never trade my HTC One for a S5... Nope sorry and I am no Viper fan of the past nor am I affiliated with their team in any way. I have never seen such a moddable ROM in my life and that is the truth. Any way M8 stomps S5 I dont like fingerprint crap and heartrate sensors... but if htc had it I wouldnt be saying that lol. sorry I am biased now. Where as last year I didnt even consider the One over the S4. Yeah I am a htc newbie but the first phone I messed with was the htc MyTouch3G...
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first video about app opening speed:
IMO He needs to have them both set to max frequency or stop referring to the extra 200MHz that the S5 has over the One, which frankly is nothing.. It is quite possible the cpus on both devices are not running at top/max so how would anyone know from that test, of opening apps, if the 200MHz even matters, if say the cpus were not ramping up all the way.. I can see what he is saying though at "stock" settings "this: is how they perform. But none of like stock settings here LoL...
And I played with both phones in the store and couldn't bare to play with the S5 any longer than a few seconds past a minute. the Htc One was tied down a good twenty feet away from the S5 so I couldn't compare app opening that closely but the Htc one was lightning quick and the S5 seemed like my S4 in speed for opening apps, slower than the One and faster than the s4, not by much... One winner One to rule them all forever...huh hmmm unless htc locks there future phones' bootloaders down so that its beyond military grade encryption then I may loose that idea./
all in all I like the idea of water proofing but I saw a film where the One was submerged in a sink of water for thirty minutes and the screen was still operating. I saw a film where the One was put in water and the sound didn't work afterward.. I dont plan on getting it wet or dirty, much the opposite. dirt and water sand can never be any good =] I like the idea of the Z1 and taking video underwater.. that is pretty cool..huh hmmm Htc that would be cool guys. imo
THe second video is very good IMO. Also IMO If Htc One would have just had a 16 mp camera with 4k video they would have made the xtra millions they have been needing to make. Its hard to believe that they threw a 4mp camera at us and said here we are so good millions of you will buy our phone despite the 4mp camera. and I am very aware of their reasoning and it takes great photos and video but on paper 4mp is so old school.
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My Hercules had eight mp that came out in 2011 takes great photos still. Still and because of Viper ROMs I would never trade my HTC One for a S5... Nope sorry and I am no Viper fan of the past nor am I affiliated with their team in any way. I have never seen such a moddable ROM in my life and that is the truth. Any way M8 stomps S5 I dont like fingerprint crap and heartrate sensors... but if htc had it I wouldnt be saying that lol. sorry I am biased now. Where as last year I didnt even consider the One over the S4. Yeah I am a htc newbie but the first phone I messed with was the htc MyTouch3G...
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Agreed! They could have made a friggin KILLING if they would have put just ONE damn 10-16mp camera in there that shot 4k or not really even having to shoot 4k but just take good images that can actually be cropped and look good. The money they spent on the design of the "duo" cameras they could have taken their asses out of debt. Oh well, it's just a phone I guess. And yes, Viper is one rom that most people stick around for.
Rushing said:
first video about app opening speed:
IMO He needs to have them both set to max frequency or stop referring to the extra 200MHz that the S5 has over the One, which frankly is nothing.. It is quite possible the cpus on both devices are not running at top/max so how would anyone know from that test, of opening apps, if the 200MHz even matters, if say the cpus were not ramping up all the way.. I can see what he is saying though at "stock" settings "this: is how they perform. But none of like stock settings here LoL...
And I played with both phones in the store and couldn't bare to play with the S5 any longer than a few seconds past a minute. the Htc One was tied down a good twenty feet away from the S5 so I couldn't compare app opening that closely but the Htc one was lightning quick and the S5 seemed like my S4 in speed for opening apps, slower than the One and faster than the s4, not by much... One winner One to rule them all forever...huh hmmm unless htc locks there future phones' bootloaders down so that its beyond military grade encryption then I may loose that idea./
all in all I like the idea of water proofing but I saw a film where the One was submerged in a sink of water for thirty minutes and the screen was still operating. I saw a film where the One was put in water and the sound didn't work afterward.. I dont plan on getting it wet or dirty, much the opposite. dirt and water sand can never be any good =] I like the idea of the Z1 and taking video underwater.. that is pretty cool..huh hmmm Htc that would be cool guys. imo
THe second video is very good IMO. Also IMO If Htc One would have just had a 16 mp camera with 4k video they would have made the xtra millions they have been needing to make. Its hard to believe that they threw a 4mp camera at us and said here we are so good millions of you will buy our phone despite the 4mp camera. and I am very aware of their reasoning and it takes great photos and video but on paper 4mp is so old school.
more of my opinion
My Hercules had eight mp that came out in 2011 takes great photos still. Still and because of Viper ROMs I would never trade my HTC One for a S5... Nope sorry and I am no Viper fan of the past nor am I affiliated with their team in any way. I have never seen such a moddable ROM in my life and that is the truth. Any way M8 stomps S5 I dont like fingerprint crap and heartrate sensors... but if htc had it I wouldnt be saying that lol. sorry I am biased now. Where as last year I didnt even consider the One over the S4. Yeah I am a htc newbie but the first phone I messed with was the htc MyTouch3G...
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Their reason to use 4mp was to save money since they could use the same stock from m7. It was a stupid move HTC. I would rather have 16mp camera than ultra pixel but I have to admit its not a gimmick like most Samsung features.
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Excellent video comparisons.
123421342 said:
Their reason to use 4mp was to save money since they could use the same stock from m7. It was a stupid move HTC. I would rather have 16mp camera than ultra pixel but I have to admit its not a gimmick like most Samsung features.
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I haven't messed around with the S5, but I do know that the camera on the HTC (even though I am not the biggest fan of the duo-camera) takes the best pictures I have seen of any phone I've owned (including the 5S, which was purposely omitted below because I only had it for a day). Being an amateur photographer myself, I think the megapixel race with phones is a bit silly, since most of the photos I take with my phone are often uploaded to social networking sites that compress them drastically, but that is my own personal opinion. I do think that the duo-camera features on the photo editing screen need a lot of work because none of them (minus the 3D) look natural enough to be practical. I really do like having a 4mp front-facing sensor though, that's a huge plus!
As far as lag, yeah right. Both phones have enough oomph behind them to eliminate that issue completely, so anything past that just comes down to user bias.
Are we reaching a stage with our mobile phones where they have become cameras with a phone attached?
Ryland
not even close, while the S8+ camera is great, it doesn't hold a candle to my Canon T6i and there are way better cameras than mine.
nosympathy said:
not even close, while the S8+ camera is great, it doesn't hold a candle to my Canon T6i and there are way better cameras than mine.
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Sorry I poorly wrote my post. What I mean is, is the main focus on today's mobiles centered around the camera. I know any DSLR will produce better picture quality. Its just that so much is made of the cameras in today's mobile phones? They appear number one priority when making a mobile phone choice?
Sorry about the confusion.
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Ryland Johnson said:
Sorry I poorly wrote my post. What I mean is, is the main focus on today's mobiles centered around the camera. I know any DSLR will produce better picture quality. Its just that so much is made of the cameras in today's mobile phones? They appear number one priority when making a mobile phone choice?
Sorry about the confusion.
Ryland :good:
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I agree it's an important decision. It's not my main one though but it's high on the list. If you think about it, people spend a lot of time capturing pictures for facebook, instagram, etc. and you want to have a good camera but not have to carry a dedicated camera everywhere you go. I like to take pictures a lot and sometimes for those surprise moments (dogs doing something funny) I just don't have the ability to grab my bulky DSLR and take pictures.
thing is I want these pictures to look good later, if you just want the pictures for social media it only matters so much because the compression kills quality. I hate uploading pictures from my DSLR to facebook, feels like taking a ferrari and taking a hammer to it. Ruins the picture that much to me.
smart phones are social media driven, more people spend time on FB, Twitter and snap chat then they do making calls and texting and that's what these manufactures focus on when they build the phones.
Been using my devices​ many years for Internet activity 90%! Use my my laptop less and less...
I barely use the camera it's an afterthought to me, speed and power are my main focus points.
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I barely use the camera it's an afterthought to me, speed and power are my main focus points.
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I seldom if ever use the camera. I do accept though that I am the vast minority on that point. It was just a passing thought how many reviewers take the camera so seriously yet seldom to never mention signal strength.
I live way out in the country so need a mobile that pulls that reception in. The best where the old Nokia. Worst I have owned in that respect have been HTC though we now never see that brand in this country. Sony are good, Sony also produce some of the most agreeable sound via headphones. They should they more or less pioneered the 'mobile sound'.
The S8+ also pleases with a decent sound reproduction via head phones. The screen is top quality also. Its a very accomplished mobile device to own. I ponder what comes next and where the ceiling for such technology lies and in what direction?
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Hello everyone. Is anybody there who is not satisfied with "supposed to be more than great" photo qualily from the main camera at least or I'm alone here? Coming from Galaxies, Pixels and Huawei flagship phones, I was expecting to get not less than impressive photos from the main camera. At least hardware specs, Sony Alpha team support, Zeiss optics etc gave some confidence in it. But for some reason I'm getting only good enough photos in the perfect light conditions (which every dirt cheap midranger can do these days). Once light conditions are different from perfect all I get is hit or miss all the time, blurry shots, low details (especially when you zoom in a bit), water painting, wrong colours, softness, wrong exposure - picture is just falling apart regardless of what camera app was used. WTF!? Am I asking too much from nearly $1000 camera-focused phone or as Sony fanboys suggested "I've got a faulty unit"? Thanks
Camera is bad, I wish it had a good one but it's just average in sunlight and during nighttime it sucks. I like the phone but definitely the camera is not good
The Alpha team's work is very obvious on the phone. Having several Alpha cameras, I'm able to get similar results with similar techniques between my phone and Alpha cameras, which makes the 5 II feel more like a seamless tool to me. Alpha images are not like Huawei and Samsung images (I also have a P30 Pro). They have more natural and less saturated colors and take more life like and less processed photos. Those may not be to your taste, which is fine. It's impossible to simply say one camera takes "better pictures" than the other.
I shoot almost exclusively in RAW with the Pro Photo app, and I'm quite pleased with the detail and color saturation. I use Lightroom to process the files, and it helps control most of the noise in low light scenarios with high ISO. But, the phone will not take the same dim to no light shots that the P30 Pro does while being handheld. You can get similar results with a tripod and manually controlling exposure.
Another key difference between my 5II and my P30 Pro is the focus speed and accuracy. One of my frequent subjects is a fast moving small child, and my P30 Pro misses the shot about 90% of the time because it's so slow to acquire focus. The 5 II is not quite as fast as my Alpha, but it finds the eye pretty reliably and takes the pictures in a small fraction of a second. This is probably the most obvious place of the Alpha team's influence and tuning. It's even way faster than my wife's iPhone 11 Pro.
I understand why some are displeased with the camera on the 5 II. It's all about expectations being aligned with reality and personal preference on how a photo looks. So, when a camera doesn't meet your expectations, find one that does. That's why I moved from Huawei to Sony, and I'm pleased with the results. There are others that will choose to go the opposite direction for very good reasons.
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Hello everyone. Is anybody there who is not satisfied with "supposed to be more than great" photo qualily from the main camera at least or I'm alone here? Coming from Galaxies, Pixels and Huawei flagship phones, I was expecting to get not less than impressive photos from the main camera. At least hardware specs, Sony Alpha team support, Zeiss optics etc gave some confidence in it. But for some reason I'm getting only good enough photos in the perfect light conditions (which every dirt cheap midranger can do these days). Once light conditions are different from perfect all I get is hit or miss all the time, blurry shots, low details (especially when you zoom in a bit), water painting, wrong colours, softness, wrong exposure - picture is just falling apart regardless of what camera app was used. WTF!? Am I asking too much from nearly $1000 camera-focused phone or as Sony fanboys suggested "I've got a faulty unit"? Thanks
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Just because you spend a lot of money on a camera, doesn't mean you will take good pictures. Good pictures are about the camera and understanding how it works. If you want snaps, stick to your samsung. The Xperia is about taking pictures with the Pro app. If that's too complicated for you, then don't moan about how poor your photography is.
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Just because you spend a lot of money on a camera, doesn't mean you will take good pictures. Good pictures are about the camera and understanding how it works. If you want snaps, stick to your samsung. The Xperia is about taking pictures with the Pro app. If that's too complicated for you, then don't moan about how poor your photography is.
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Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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The secrert of a good picture rests between the shutter button and your eye. Good luck finding your great pictures.
WarVic said:
Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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That was a non-productive response. While the 5 II may not be your preferred tool for photography, going with term like "dinky" and "piece of junk" imply you have nothing substantive to talk about on the topic. The field of phones is wonderfully diverse right now, with so many choices to find what fits your style and preference. No need to turn it into a pissing contest of "better" or "worse." But, I guess from the wording of your original post, that's all you were interested in, rather than a meaningful discussion on the pros and cons of hardware.
While you took his response as "clever" and insulting, he wasn't wrong. Different skill sets are required to get the most of different hardware. I have friends who shoot film cameras with wonderful results, and I know that's beyond me. Likewise, Pixels and iPhones can give incredible results without much skill or effort on the part of the user, and that's exactly what computational photography is designed to do. It's a great advancement, that shouldn't be diminished. But, I can match my wife's iPhone 11 Pro's photo quality (sharpness, exposure, color accuracy) with my 5 II. But she simply points and shoots, while I have to tweak some settings, take a RAW picture and process it Lightroom. Neither is better. It's preference. I prefer the control and the process I use because I enjoy it. And my work flow takes only a minute or so per picture, so not a big deal.
Glad to see you'll be moving to other forums. Enjoy the Pixel. They are fantastic.
WarVic said:
Oh, what a clever notice! I expected that Sony brainwashing machine works perfectly for Sony fanboys. Just a reminder for Super-Pro-Photographers-who-knows-how-to-use-Pro-mode, Xperia phones are just dinky PHONES with tiny cameras (sensors, lenses), NOT full fetched CAMERAS. And treat Xperia smartphone cameras like something greater than that which was designed specifically for super talented people with heaps of knowledge is apotheosis of stupidity, sorry. Perhaps, I don't really care anymore. I ditched that piece of junk and came back to Google Pixel 4 which makes perfect shots all the time, even when I don't expect it. And yes, my next device will likely be iPhone 11 Pro which is proved to deliver outstanding device all the way and. most importantly, I can get it for a fraction of Xperia 1 III price right now! Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra is also a better choice than any Xperia and, again, I can get it cheaper already. Thanks heaps for incredibly precious piece of advice. Cheers!
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I think a phone should be a point and shoot device, with Xperia it doesn't work that way, you take a picture and it takes forever, I think it tries to use slower shutter speeds in order to shoot with lower iso for less noise, but when I compare with an iphone xs noise level are similar with the difference that iphone autofocus is much better and reliable and when you shoot it doesn't take forever to process a single photo. There's also an annoying halo effect on photos, they market lens as zeiss but I never had such a thing with other phones. Also when you take videos you see a huge difference with a 3 years old iphone, stabilization on iphone is great, on Xperia is meh, video dynamic range is limited, exposure low in dim light. The eye autofocus it doesn't seems to work that well, lots of photos are out of focus and in a low light situation you are sure that your subject will be blurry if it moves even slightly, I know a phone camera can't do miracles but I'm just comparing with another device that is 3 years older that didn't give me all these issues. Definitely go with an iPhone if you need a decent smartphone camera.
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I think a phone should be a point and shoot device, with Xperia it doesn't work that way [...]
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As many have pointed out already, point and shoot is not where the Xperia shines. It's the manual control in Camera Pro and the results you can archieve with that. I personally like that, therefore I don't think "a phone should be a point and shoot device" per se. It's great to have a diversity of options on the market, isn't it?
Regarding video: As far as I know no one was yet able to match the iPhone's video stabilisation. Nevertheless I was able to get very good video on the Xperia and if you use a gimbal, you also get that iPhone smoothness if desired.
Yakkosmurf said:
That was a non-productive response. While the 5 II may not be your preferred tool for photography, going with term like "dinky" and "piece of junk" imply you have nothing substantive to talk about on the topic. The field of phones is wonderfully diverse right now, with so many choices to find what fits your style and preference. No need to turn it into a pissing contest of "better" or "worse." But, I guess from the wording of your original post, that's all you were interested in, rather than a meaningful discussion on the pros and cons of hardware.
While you took his response as "clever" and insulting, he wasn't wrong. Different skill sets are required to get the most of different hardware. I have friends who shoot film cameras with wonderful results, and I know that's beyond me. Likewise, Pixels and iPhones can give incredible results without much skill or effort on the part of the user, and that's exactly what computational photography is designed to do. It's a great advancement, that shouldn't be diminished. But, I can match my wife's iPhone 11 Pro's photo quality (sharpness, exposure, color accuracy) with my 5 II. But she simply points and shoots, while I have to tweak some settings, take a RAW picture and process it Lightroom. Neither is better. It's preference. I prefer the control and the process I use because I enjoy it. And my work flow takes only a minute or so per picture, so not a big deal.
Glad to see you'll be moving to other forums. Enjoy the Pixel. They are fantastic.
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Your "professional" response made me laughing out loud in the place when you're talking about "Different SKILL SET" and applying it to ..... A PHONE. Seriously man?! Just listen yourself! Just to clarify once again, the main purpose of any smartphone is to make quick, hustle-free photos on the go. And the more expensive phone, the better it should do it - simpler, cleaner menu / handling, faster focus and overall camera performance and most importantly better outcome. Other features like pro manual mode are optional and secondary. I think everything you do with your Xperia 5 II is just ... wasting you time, nothing more. I believe you have to follow your wife experience. She definitely knows how not to waste time playing with questionable "results" from Xperia. You will never match clever Apple/ Google AI, sorry. You think that you can but in reality you CAN NOT, sorry. Don't lie yourself!
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I think a phone should be a point and shoot device, with Xperia it doesn't work that way, you take a picture and it takes forever, I think it tries to use slower shutter speeds in order to shoot with lower iso for less noise, but when I compare with an iphone xs noise level are similar with the difference that iphone autofocus is much better and reliable and when you shoot it doesn't take forever to process a single photo. There's also an annoying halo effect on photos, they market lens as zeiss but I never had such a thing with other phones. Also when you take videos you see a huge difference with a 3 years old iphone, stabilization on iphone is great, on Xperia is meh, video dynamic range is limited, exposure low in dim light. The eye autofocus it doesn't seems to work that well, lots of photos are out of focus and in a low light situation you are sure that your subject will be blurry if it moves even slightly, I know a phone camera can't do miracles but I'm just comparing with another device that is 3 years older that didn't give me all these issues. Definitely go with an iPhone if you need a decent smartphone camera.
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Absolutely agree with every single word. iPhone guarantees not only outstanding photos and videos in every situation regardless of shakiness of my hands or "skill set" by the way. There are too damn many thing where Xperia is miles away from iPhone. I don't relly want to name them because it's just ridiculous! How can we compare the latest Lexus (iPhone) with old rusty Fiat Punto (Xperia).
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Your "professional" response made me laughing out loud in the place when you're talking about "Different SKILL SET" and applying it to ..... A PHONE. Seriously man?! Just listen yourself! Just to clarify once again, the main purpose of any smartphone is to make quick, hustle-free photos on the go. And the more expensive phone, the better it should do it - simpler, cleaner menu / handling, faster focus and overall camera performance and most importantly better outcome. Other features like pro manual mode are optional and secondary. I think everything you do with your Xperia 5 II is just ... wasting you time, nothing more. I believe you have to follow your wife experience. She definitely knows how not to waste time playing with questionable "results" from Xperia. You will never match clever Apple/ Google AI, sorry. You think that you can but in reality you CAN NOT, sorry. Don't lie yourself!
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I'm no professional. I just stick to data when discussing things. "Waste of time" is quite subjective. Do you consider doing things you enjoy doing a "waste of time"? I suspect not. As I clearly stated, Pro modes are secondary to a lot of people, but for some of us, they are primary. And Sony is catering to that which is appreciated. As I said, if you don't appreciate it, that's not a problem, and the market is full of great choices that prioritizes quick snapshots. But, to so vocally criticize something for not meeting expectations in an area is wasn't trying to is rather petty on your part, in my opinion.
Why take a forum that's great such a great place for information sharing and try to reduce it to a place for insult hurling? Am I to assume you have nothing productive to add to the discussion? Then, why post here?
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I'm no professional. I just stick to data when discussing things. "Waste of time" is quite subjective. Do you consider doing things you enjoy doing a "waste of time"? I suspect not. As I clearly stated, Pro modes are secondary to a lot of people, but for some of us, they are primary. And Sony is catering to that which is appreciated. As I said, if you don't appreciate it, that's not a problem, and the market is full of great choices that prioritizes quick snapshots. But, to so vocally criticize something for not meeting expectations in an area is wasn't trying to is rather petty on your part, in my opinion.
Why take a forum that's great such a great place for information sharing and try to reduce it to a place for insult hurling? Am I to assume you have nothing productive to add to the discussion? Then, why post here?
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You're taking his bait too easily.
I didn't see much discussion here. All I did is uploaded few crappy shots from Xperia 5. Vast majority of them were deleted straight away though. Anyway there were no lack of really bad shots (=missed moments) from that phone. And it was VERY unexpected - I didn't have such bad experience with any flagship camera-phone before. And, as I expected, few people=blind Sony fanboys here did typical Sony fanboys thing - blamed me for being dummy crook handed idiot who doesn't know how to take pictures properly with a state of art. precious Xperia 5 II . Sure there is no way to blame overhyped, way below competition camera system, lack of proper AI implementation, fraudlent T* Zeiss glass coating (supposed to reduce lens flares but in reality it catches them more often than any other camera). I'm a much easier target, Sony are unspoiled "gods".
I have had a few instances with bad flare that have been surprising, because I don't have those issues with my Zeiss camera lenses. Not a huge deal, as it doesn't impact very many shots that I take. It seems to be an issue with full sunlight, but not a problem with artificial light being in a dimly lit scene.
I think WarVic expected the camera experience to be on an Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level and somehow took it way too harsh when it turned out to be different. It's ok to be disappointed, luckily there are brands on the market who cater to his expectations, so no problem, right? What I don't get is how he cannot accept that other people are happy with their Xperia without being mindless fanboys. Why so butthurt? Live and let live, innit?
I understand that you might be happy with an Xperia phone overall because it works, looks nice, feels good in the hand, quite rare and just because you paid a lot for it. But this is pretty much it. Cameras outcome is subbar to every other camera focused phone in this price category. And I can't understand how someone can't appreciate when something or someone else does the job for you, save your time. It's absolutely obvious that "Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level" is the only way to get something really good from tiny smartphone cameras. Also it is laughable & foolish to even think that somehow you can do better job in Lightroom or in other apps then AI / computational processing power. As you might not know, behind so called "computational photography" is a hard work of super talented programmers team. Do you really think that you can do better job then them???? The only reason Sony doesn't have it is becasue they just don't wanna invest into it. They know that they will never get sales numbers anywhere around even OnePlus level and even 2% of smartphones market share is unreal with their current marketing strategy (it's better to say the absence of it). So computational photography will be pure waste of money for Sony and it is much easier and better to have "unique" approach giving people instruments, "let them decide how their photos will look", to play with people's "creativity". How clever you are, Sony! Bravo!
Why did you even buy the phone? All the reviews tell you that the normal camera app is not as great as on other devices.
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Why did you even buy the phone? All the reviews tell you that the normal camera app is not as great as on other devices.
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No every review tells you that PhotoPro app isn't better at all. Sony wants you to believe in placebo - PhotoPro. It reality it doesn't make a difference regardless of your skills. All you have to do is to believe that PhotoPro is a game changer. If you have a good look at the beginning of my post, I uploaded photos examples, all taken by PhotoPro. Sure I have brilliant shots but of static objects in perfect light conditions only. 20 frames burst won't help. So trust me, if you take this smartphone to a once in a lifetime trip with your family, this smartphone will ruin it. Otherwise you might be good to go. If you are alone, have plenty of time, mostly shooting nature or buildings, don't mind to take numerous attempts, don't care about reliability, consistency and more than just good outcome in photography then Xperia is certainly for you.
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I understand that you might be happy with an Xperia phone overall because it works, looks nice, feels good in the hand, quite rare and just because you paid a lot for it. But this is pretty much it. Cameras outcome is subbar to every other camera focused phone in this price category. And I can't understand how someone can't appreciate when something or someone else does the job for you, save your time. It's absolutely obvious that "Apple/Google-AI-does-everything-for-you level" is the only way to get something really good from tiny smartphone cameras. Also it is laughable & foolish to even think that somehow you can do better job in Lightroom or in other apps then AI / computational processing power. As you might not know, behind so called "computational photography" is a hard work of super talented programmers team. Do you really think that you can do better job then them???? The only reason Sony doesn't have it is becasue they just don't wanna invest into it. They know that they will never get sales numbers anywhere around even OnePlus level and even 2% of smartphones market share is unreal with their current marketing strategy (it's better to say the absence of it). So computational photography will be pure waste of money for Sony and it is much easier and better to have "unique" approach giving people instruments, "let them decide how their photos will look", to play with people's "creativity". How clever you are, Sony! Bravo!
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This is getting a bit boring and repetitive now.
Time to move on and accept not everyone shares the same opinion as you