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What a beautiful phone !!
Best phone of all time ?
Well not if you want a small phone or a keyboard, but it you want a bigger screen smartphone this has to be yes!
The main thing, or the sum of the parts, about this phone, is that HTC have put all their previous experience into the form factor and it shows.
For such a large screen device it feels small and light in the hand. It also looks smaller then it it.
The alu/plastic back is the perfect shape for holding and setting down. The front glass is lovely and the way you take the back off is the best way - no slide off shell that almost breaks everytime you do it, rather a release button and a smooth slide off. Even the slide-off is confidence building - the back encircles the main phone can curves round at the top. This ensures no rattling and also sealing the internals nicely.
The build quality is light and day difference from the Samsung Galaxy SII, for example. The Samsung is light and feels cheap. Worse, the last one I looked at in an O2 shop had a piece of velcro on the back slicking it to a small stand. Repeated removal meant that the thin plastic back was warped, one corner stuck off exposing some electronics and the middle had a nasty fold down it meaning it was hardly attached.
HTC Sense is the next jewel in HTC's crown. Sense 3D is no big upgrade but after some configuration it appears as jewel like as the body (I have a B&W picture background from the HTC collection) with dual clocks on the home screen, and a swiss watch skeleton clock on the lock screen).
Operation is fast and smooth. There are occasional jerks but I am sure this will be dealt with with a firmware upgrade (after all, multi-core CPUs are just introduced to Android).
The screen is a joy. Not so bright or contrasty as a AMOLED, but fantastic in its own right. The one criticism, if a bit picky, is that the contrast drops off sharply as you look at an angle. The extra 100 pixels either way over the normal high-spec android is really really useful for surfing and email (540x960).
Main gripes:
1. Not many apps using multi-core cpu
2. Not many apps using full screen resolution
3. Volume on ear piece could be a bit higher
All-in-all a great software effort for HTC's first dual core release but hardwarewise a mature and well thought out build with real ownership pleasure.
I think you could make the Moto Cliq sound amazing. You just made me so excited to have this phone.
What a phone.
Cheers
remember dude, new phones come out every 2+ Months.. And every 6 Months to a year the technology in the phone will increase and become the norm.
Best phone of all time still is handed to the iPhone 3gs
Best android phone of all time is still the Nexus One
Best Graphics phone is the Sensation
Best Power of the CPU is the Sensation
Fastest Phone: Thunderbolt
Best Gaming Phone : Tied Sony Xperia Play / G2x
Nice try, HTC Sales Deparment.
StefanB86 said:
Nice try, HTC Sales Deparment.
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hey, I'm really open to commission if anyone is offering
dbirdflyshi said:
remember dude, new phones come out every 2+ Months.. And every 6 Months to a year the technology in the phone will increase and become the norm.
Best phone of all time still is handed to the iPhone 3gs
Best android phone of all time is still the Nexus One
Best Graphics phone is the Sensation
Best Power of the CPU is the Sensation
Fastest Phone: Thunderbolt
Best Gaming Phone : Tied Sony Xperia Play / G2x
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looks like a 1980s list
Sony xperia play -come on - no review says that ....
I would definitely own the Sensation over the iPhone 4, any day of the week. It's not even close. To me, that's a significant statement to make given how the iPhone has pretty much dominated.
Hey,
I've just come from having an iPhone 4(had it a year, and got bored), and this is my first Android phone. I must say i am happy with the phone, but the best phone ever? Not yet.
The iPhone has a great Retina screen and its build quality is great. But you have to jailbreak it to get some basic features, like bluetooth, customising themes, tethering etc.
The Sensation is great out of the box, not a snappy as i anticipated i think due to sense. But i has everything i need as stock.
Sound is a bit low, and crackly sometimes. But i am impressed.
Cant wait to root it and unlock the real speed of the phone
nick
dbirdflyshi said:
Best phone of all time still is handed to the iPhone 3gs
Best android phone of all time is still the Nexus One
Best Graphics phone is the Sensation
Best Power of the CPU is the Sensation
Fastest Phone: Thunderbolt
Best Gaming Phone : Tied Sony Xperia Play / G2x
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Yeah like the other dude said, this list looks... off a bit.
Sensation is beautiful but the best graphics?
3Gs the best phone ever? Really?
Nexus One, the best android phone ever? Maybe only to the dev community.
Fastest - Should read fastest data speeds, then yes I would agree with that one. In terms of overall responsiveness, then no.
Gaming phone - could be any Galaxy S1 (Power VRSGX540 is still a beast), GS2, or any tegra2 device out there. The Xperia play has an Adreno 205 GPU which makes it decent at best, physical controls and all. But it lines up with the rest of Sony's product lines - They make a lot of good stuff, just never the best.
colonel said:
looks like a 1980s list
Sony xperia play -come on - no review says that ....
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Your lucky i didnt mention the N-Gague
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I would definitely own the Sensation over the iPhone 4, any day of the week. It's not even close. To me, that's a significant statement to make given how the iPhone has pretty much dominated.
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I feel the same way but..... give iPhone 4.3" screen and T-mo bands and we'll talk again. I don't like apple, SJ or their nazi ways but there's something fascinating about having a device that just. works. out. of. the. box. Mind you, this is coming from Android follower since day 1 (Got G1 on the day of the release). I'm sick of rooting phones just to make them work and I thought that Sensation will be the phone I can live with. I mean it does sound great on paper but in real life - software on it is big heaping pile of ****. I truly believe that HTC is getting too comfy being one the biggest names in Android game and they are cutting corners left and right. Guess what - it shows.
Can't wait for S-off and CM.
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What a beautiful phone !!
Best phone of all time ?
Well not if you want a small phone or a keyboard, but it you want a bigger screen smartphone this has to be yes!
The main thing, or the sum of the parts, about this phone, is that HTC have put all their previous experience into the form factor and it shows.
For such a large screen device it feels small and light in the hand. It also looks smaller then it it.
The alu/plastic back is the perfect shape for holding and setting down. The front glass is lovely and the way you take the back off is the best way - no slide off shell that almost breaks everytime you do it, rather a release button and a smooth slide off. Even the slide-off is confidence building - the back encircles the main phone can curves round at the top. This ensures no rattling and also sealing the internals nicely.
The build quality is light and day difference from the Samsung Galaxy SII, for example. The Samsung is light and feels cheap. Worse, the last one I looked at in an O2 shop had a piece of velcro on the back slicking it to a small stand. Repeated removal meant that the thin plastic back was warped, one corner stuck off exposing some electronics and the middle had a nasty fold down it meaning it was hardly attached.
HTC Sense is the next jewel in HTC's crown. Sense 3D is no big upgrade but after some configuration it appears as jewel like as the body (I have a B&W picture background from the HTC collection) with dual clocks on the home screen, and a swiss watch skeleton clock on the lock screen).
Operation is fast and smooth. There are occasional jerks but I am sure this will be dealt with with a firmware upgrade (after all, multi-core CPUs are just introduced to Android).
The screen is a joy. Not so bright or contrasty as a AMOLED, but fantastic in its own right. The one criticism, if a bit picky, is that the contrast drops off sharply as you look at an angle. The extra 100 pixels either way over the normal high-spec android is really really useful for surfing and email (540x960).
Main gripes:
1. Not many apps using multi-core cpu
2. Not many apps using full screen resolution
3. Volume on ear piece could be a bit higher
All-in-all a great software effort for HTC's first dual core release but hardwarewise a mature and well thought out build with real ownership pleasure.
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Couldn't agree more! This phone has made, by far, the best first impression (and continued) of any new device I've purchased in years.
I'm not sure why the 3GS was brought up here - I went from the 3G to the 3GS and really didn't feel it was worth it (it was a free upgrade through work, so what the heck). The original iPhone can get a mention, but I wouldn't give any of the subsequent models anything special.
I was a htc fan for a long period of time. Now i'm cured..
OP: go to youtube and watch some comparison videos between sensation and galaxy s2.
How can you claim that? Damn, some people just cannot accept the reality.
How much free usable ram do you got? Can you play full hd videos with flash?
Strange...
DSF said:
I was a htc fan for a long period of time. Now i'm cured..
OP: go to youtube and watch some comparison videos between sensation and galaxy s2.
How can you claim that? Damn, some people just cannot accept the reality.
How much free usable ram do you got? Can you play full hd videos with flash?
Strange...
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the galaxy s 2 is faster but perhaps new htc software will make it up
however the margin is not worth it compared to the terrible build or Fischer price os
DSF said:
I was a htc fan for a long period of time. Now i'm cured..
OP: go to youtube and watch some comparison videos between sensation and galaxy s2.
How can you claim that? Damn, some people just cannot accept the reality.
How much free usable ram do you got? Can you play full hd videos with flash?
Strange...
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That's a d*ck move you pulled there. Go back under the bridge from which you came. The OP didn't once claim that this phone was better than the GS2. He was merely stating that he's in love with his phone. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone already knows that the GS2 is superior performance wise. Now go back to your Samsung forums and leave us be.
colonel said:
Best phone of all time ?
Well not if you want a small phone or a keyboard, but it you want a bigger screen smartphone this has to be yes!
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Then what's this?
Smart reply what can I say..
@colonel, well sgs2 feels solid in hand. No cranks, etc.
I'm posting here just because I don't like when the true is distorted. I could easily chose the sensation but for me the sgs2 wins (raw performance, ram, storage, etc).
Have a nice day.
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Then what's this?
Smart reply what can I say..
@colonel, well sgs2 feels solid in hand. No cranks, etc.
I'm posting here just because I don't like when the true is distorted. I could easily chose the sensation but for me the sgs2 wins (raw performance, ram, storage, etc).
Have a nice day.
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Before you come out here looking like a complete *ahem* ...wait, too late... I was ABOUT to say that you should probably take into consideration that at this point in time this IS the best phone ever available in the United States. For any of us living here, it's a no brainer. As far as the rest of the world - can't people be allowed to enjoy anything anymore?
borodin1 said:
I feel the same way but..... give iPhone 4.3" screen and T-mo bands and we'll talk again. I don't like apple, SJ or their nazi ways but there's something fascinating about having a device that just. works. out. of. the. box. Mind you, this is coming from Android follower since day 1 (Got G1 on the day of the release). I'm sick of rooting phones just to make them work and I thought that Sensation will be the phone I can live with. I mean it does sound great on paper but in real life - software on it is big heaping pile of ****. I truly believe that HTC is getting too comfy being one the biggest names in Android game and they are cutting corners left and right. Guess what - it shows.
Can't wait for S-off and CM.
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I agree about how nice it is that the iPhone works out of the box but I have to say I was able to get up and running in no time on my new Sensation just by entering my gmail account info...boom everything was there.
As for Sense I never liked/used Sense before but IF I got stuck with it on the Sensation I wouldn't be ready to kill myself. Frankly I think CM ROMs are waaaay overrated...so they are faster, great, but half the time stuff like GPS don't work. That said I will root this baby the second I get the chance.
......NOT !!!
ps: ok, maybe the best htc phone of all time.
GS2 is definitely more powerful at the moment. But after software update, hopefully the Sensation will show big improvement. I mean Sense 3.0 runs very smoothly on EVO 3d, so there's no reason why Sensation couldn't.
Sound and camera quality on HTC, however, need to be a lot better. Samsung have this, as well as sheer power and speed covered. But of course, HTC have an upper hand in the aesthetics of the phone, both hardware and software.
While I long for GS2's unstoppable power, I really cannot stand its big, non-matchingly-colorful, unpolished interface (I don't mind the plastic build). Same with the Sensation - unbelievably beautiful look of the device and UI, but things like dust under screen, dim screen (compared to EVO 3d), whispering speaker volume and average camera quality turn me off quite a bit.
So, I'm gonna stick to my good, old blackberry and wait until HTC or Samsung
address their weakness.
It doesn't take a genius to see that this phone offers way beyond what other manufacturers are capable of. Any company can put together a body and screen and call it a phone, but Samsung not only puts the best hardware, they have the best software. What a beautiful phone. Just like the S3, and S2 before that, the S4 is easily going to win the award. It bascially made all other phones obsolete. (sans spen). Good job Sammy.
Matter of opinion but I agree with you
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Don't wanna be a part pooper (I too would like to give Sammy a post on the back) but what's the purpose of this thread
S4 INFO
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Don't wanna be a part pooper (I too would like to give Sammy a post on the back) but what's the purpose of this thread
S4 INFO
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good question
OP, you're delusional if you can't admit that the HTC One is an incredible piece of hardware and software in its own right.
it'll be a close call for the phone of the year - if its to be one of these 2, i am sure that opinion will be just as divided as it is now.
djbenny1 said:
good question
OP, you're delusional if you can't admit that the HTC One is an incredible piece of hardware and software in its own right.
it'll be a close call for the phone of the year - if its to be one of these 2, i am sure that opinion will be just as divided as it is now.
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I have to agree although i sense you being a little bias towards the HTC One. But yeah, in my opinion there are 2 2013 Flagship phones that matter, S IV and HTC One. The rest IS obsolete so far and that is including the XZ and the optimus G pro ( not that its a bad phone but it wont compete).
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I have to agree although i sense you being a little bias towards the HTC One. But yeah, in my opinion there are 2 2013 Flagship phones that matter, S IV and HTC One. The rest IS obsolete so far and that is including the XZ and the optimus G pro ( not that its a bad phone but it wont compete).
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HTC One is my choice - no doubt - I waited until GS4 was announced before i decided though so i was still hoping samsung could pull something out of the bag.
you're right, theres nothing else out now that comes close to either of them but it will be interesting to see next Nexus phone though.
In my view HTC Sense is quite smoother, excellent and amazing over touchwiz.
It is my opinion only. But beware of HTC One. It's gonna be a tug of war.
And what about the Note2(or coming Note3)? Doesn't it deserve a nomination?
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HTC One is my choice - no doubt - I waited until GS4 was announced before i decided though so i was still hoping samsung could pull something out of the bag.
you're right, theres nothing else out now that comes close to either of them but it will be interesting to see next Nexus phone though.
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Oh yeah definitely. Nexus(es) are always relevant regardless. I also waited for the S IV announcement to make up my mind between the 2 and chose S 4. But i will at some point get the HTC One and carry both
djbenny1 said:
good question
OP, you're delusional if you can't admit that the HTC One is an incredible piece of hardware and software in its own right.
it'll be a close call for the phone of the year - if its to be one of these 2, i am sure that opinion will be just as divided as it is now.
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What's so special about the One other than the nice animations and battery consuming Blink?
I had an HTC before with Sense 4, and the software didn't impress me at all.
Kremata said:
And what about the Note2(or coming Note3)? Doesn't it deserve a nomination?
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Note 3 isn't out yet and note 2, while being one of the best phone ever isn't a flagship for this year. We are just comparing the new devices. But yeah note 2 is a beast no doubt.
SamerBerjawi said:
What's so special about the One other than the nice animations and battery consuming Blink?
I had an HTC before with Sense 4, and the software didn't impress me at all.
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looking at software only, sense 5 is MUCH closer to stock android than any other version previously.
they've also removed much of the bloat that was in other versions.
(for the record, i didnt care much for previous versions of sense either, usually preferred stock android)
this is off topic though.
on topic, yea i was going to mention the note 3 - i dunno though, im not entirely happy with it being called a phone, for me its TOO big as i believe its 5.5"?
5" is really pushing it IMO.
I'm a Galaxy S fan and I think that unfortunately the S4 is being released too early.
now every manufacturer who comes out with a flagship phone will try to top it and probably succeed :/
I wonder if Apple will be able to with the new iPhone
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What's so special about the One other than the nice animations and battery consuming Blink?
I had an HTC before with Sense 4, and the software didn't impress me at all.
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Samsung S4's Super OLED screen has a stunning 441ppi, which is more than the iPhone 5 but less than the HTC One (468).
S4 - Plastic build.
ONE- Premium built.
The ultra pixel camera of ONE beats up 13MP camera.
In terms of speed S4 is the winner but this doesn't mean that ONE is not a good phone.
Am not contradicting with you, am saying "what's so special about One"
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Samsung S4's Super OLED screen has a stunning 441ppi, which is more than the iPhone 5 but less than the HTC One (468).
S4 - Plastic build.
ONE- Premium built.
The ultra pixel camera of ONE beats up 13MP camera.
In terms of speed S4 is the winner but this doesn't mean that ONE is not a good phone.
Am not contradicting with you, am saying "what's so special about One"
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Some people love super amoled, while some don't care for it. The way I see it, samsung and htc make the best screens on the market today. I prefer my Note 2's super amoled over the HTC One X's Super LCD 2, so I am thinking I am going to prefer the S4 screen over the One.
However the camera on the One has been getting some mixed reviews. It's being seen that it does take great pictures in low light settings due to the better absorption from the lesser pixels, but pictures are as sharp as those seen on other 8 MP camera, especially when zooming in on the pictures. For most people it doesn't matter, but to say that the One's camera "beats up" the camera on the S4 is a bit over sighted especially since we haven't seen any comparable shots taken between the two cameras.
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Some people love super amoled, while some don't care for it. The way I see it, samsung and htc make the best screens on the market today. I prefer my Note 2's super amoled over the HTC One X's Super LCD 2, so I am thinking I am going to prefer the S4 screen over the One.
However the camera on the One has been getting some mixed reviews. It's being seen that it does take great pictures in low light settings due to the better absorption from the lesser pixels, but pictures are as sharp as those seen on other 8 MP camera, especially when zooming in on the pictures. For most people it doesn't matter, but to say that the One's camera "beats up" the camera on the S4 is a bit over sighted especially since we haven't seen any comparable shots taken between the two cameras.
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there is one comparison that ive seen which was done at the samsung event, its over on the one forum if you're interested.
in that case the One is clearly better - but then again it was fairly low light, and one had final software - im sure gs4 did not.
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there is one comparison that ive seen which was done at the samsung event, its over on the one forum if you're interested.
in that case the One is clearly better - but then again it was fairly low light, and one had final software - im sure gs4 did not.
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There are few images of HTC ONE's camera captures on techradar site.
They said that in a low light and darker places HTC One has an incredible performance where iphone5 and S3 failed to capture details of the image in those conditions.
Am sure the cam of One is superb and excellent.
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There are few images of HTC ONE's camera captures on techradar site.
They said that in a low light and darker places HTC One has an incredible performance where iphone5 and S3 failed to capture details of the image in those conditions.
Am sure the cam of One is superb and excellent.
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Its good in low light conditions.. but not good when u view in your laptop or zoom in on your phone or good for outside shots or bright conditions..
I m sorry..your surety doesnt mean that its good enough...
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Its good in low light conditions.. but not good when u view in your laptop or zoom in on your phone or good for outside shots or bright conditions..
I m sorry..your surety doesnt mean that its good enough...
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it's really not complicated.
the HTC One has a good camera - i dont think you will find a review that doesnt say that.
on the other hand, the same people all agree that it's lacking in detail - no big surprise. that's the price you pay for low light performance.
those who know enough about camera variables to tinker with the settings will be able to get very similar results on both phones regarding colour etc.
if you don't care about low light performance, then almost certainly gs4 camera wins for you (if you are only considering those 2 phones), if you do care about low light and also image stabilisation, then HTC wins.
easy.
If u read what I said instead of jumping on me because of your fanboyism, you wil read that I said they take good low light photos.. and pics good for facebook.. but I have a life outside facebook.. only max 5 percent of the photos I take get on it.. some people dont use fb.... so I dont need a 4mp..sorry.. and if u check verge, pocketnow and even watch their shows on youtube, you will easily hear them saying that htc is a fail in camera..
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This is likely to be first time in 7 years i haven't upgraded my phone upon a handset refresh.
I'm a terrible phone whore with very little loyalty to brand, i like to own the best phone of the moment and hop between manufacturers. I'd imagine most people on here do the same, with the exception of the insanely irreverent fanboys. Recently (Last 2 years) i've owned.. S2, iPhone 4S, S3, HTC One X and Nexus 4. (Also throw in a couple of dips to Sony and Windows Mobile for brief periods).
First of all, the S4 and the HTC One look like cracking devices. In my eyes they both have positives and negatives and if push came to shove and somebody forced me by gunpoint to pick one, i'd be hard pressed to make a decision.. Perhaps S4 but only because of the battery life and timely updates.. There really is little in it.. Anyone who thinks so is only splitting hairs.
If you're sat using an S2 or a mobile a good 2 years old i can truly appreciate what a jump that the S4 or HTC One to be for you. But if you're the kind of person who upgrades over a 12 month period, there really is little to excite at the moment.
I can't help but feel disappointing..
CPU:
This is the most frustrating topic... We've been steadily increasing in power with little gains in power management, Nvidia tried their best with that '5th core' but ultimately left us all wanting... I'd say the biggest single concern for most smartphone users is battery life now, struggling to make it through a heavy day is part and parcel of owning a mobile.
We are so very close to big.LITTLE kicking in and it seems to be that Samsung and HTC kicked off a little early, shown by the (almost complete) lack of availability of their Exynos variant..
If i bought the S4 or HTC One i'd feel almost cheated if the rumored battery performance of the upcoming CPUs in this segment are anything to go by.
Screen:
Mobile phone addiction aside, one of my other rather 'nerdy' fascination is with audio visual kit, much to my wifes misery.. Screen quality is undoubtedly a big thing for me, yet even i struggle to justify the move from a 720p resolution to a 1080p resolution on a screen only 4.7-5" big..
I've seen the HTC One in person and while i will confess at close proximity i can distinguish the difference, it is by no means the jump the market departments of said companies would like you to think.. I'd go as far to say that most (myself included) would struggle to notice the difference between the two during regular daily use.
LTE:
This is less the mobile manufacturers fault and more the networks but 4G coverage is absolutely woeful when you consider the mass rollout of hardware to utilize. I always thought the S3 LTE was pointless but was convinced this was the early warning sign the governments / networks needed to shift into gear, it doesn't appear to have happened. It's like giving everybody a Bugatti Veyron and telling them they're only allowed to drive it in speed limited residential areas..
I've got friends in the states and U.K and despite the rather gut-wrenching price they pay for LTE price plans, the performance seems poor. I do think we are a good year away from 4G being a realistic benefit to the average consumer, with small pockets of countries experiencing early gains if they live in the capital.
The only positive i can take away from all this is my other half does not have to watch me trawl through reviews, debate the best deal and then watch me giddy on the day of delivery...
Here's hopping next year is a little better!
Have to agree with this, nothing special so far
@OP ( dont wanna quote the whole post lol), trust me when i say that i am one of the biggest phone junkies around, i owned almost all of the flagship of 2012 and plan on owning quite a few in 2013. I see what you're saying when you say " meh" cause phones like the nexus 4, S3, Optimus G and note 2 are already mighty powerful but i think this is where samsung and HTC lead the pack and differentiate themselves with other brands. HTC came out with the best design a phone ever had ( in my opinion) and fantastic sound quality while samsung is expanding its crazy awesome features ( gimmicky for some, absolutely great for me). Its hard to outdo the great phones that came out last year so my question is what did you expect?
I think you need to find more hobbies/occupations in your life tbh.
But to be honest, we are at a point where technology, and especially phones are improving at a very systematical and incremental ways.
Slightly better processor
Slightly better camera
Slightly better screen
Slightly better battery
Really, we will be stuck on this pattern until something revolutionary comes into the mobile market.
JaeKay said:
But to be honest, we are at a point where technology, and especially phones are improving at a very systematical and incremental ways.
Slightly better processor
Slightly better camera
Slightly better screen
Slightly better battery
Really, we will be stuck on this pattern until something revolutionary comes into the mobile market.
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Yeah, but with all that, there's a lot that's looked over. Like if you have a Samsung Smart TV you can stream what is on your TV to your phoen anywhere you go.
We now have a IR controller with a built in TV Guide. Built in reminder to remind you also. Links to Rotten Tomatoes for movies.
There's a lot more. I just don't know what is revolutionary anymore. The problem is other technology has to catch up, like TVs, Amplifiers and audio receivers, car GPS, etc. The only thing the phone can do now is control and interact with other things.
What can honestly be revolutionary with current technology and our phones now?
How about work on voice call clarity. This quality has been the same Damn thing since the nokia brick phones lol
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Squirrel1620 said:
How about work on voice call clarity. This quality has been the same Damn thing since the nokia brick phones lol
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The thing is in a day I make max 20 min call time but day in day out 4+hours screen time, iyam this is the norm so this dictates developments, so I bet we get stuck with ok call quality.
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The thing is in a day I make max 20 min call time but day in day out 4+hours screen time, iyam this is the norm so this dictates developments, so I bet we get stuck with ok call quality.
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20 min the norm? Speak for yourself.
j510 said:
20 min the norm? Speak for yourself.
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I know but how about getting a different phone if your prime use is phoning, like a 2g that'll give you 2/3 days, or if you're making calls while indoors plug it in or use a land line, flagship smartphones are computing devices not really phones any more.
thedalmeny said:
This is likely to be first time in 7 years i haven't upgraded my phone upon a handset refresh.
I'm a terrible phone whore with very little loyalty to brand...!
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While I agree that the upgrades in the GS4 are barely a full generation ahead of the GS3, which is unfortunate given how much a jump the GS2 was over the GS1, and how much the GS1 was ahead of anything else at its time... there is a sort-of point about diminishing returns here as well. It's harder to "improve" certain aspects but so much, as we're beginning to hit the limits of what can even be perceived as an upgrade.
I mean, think about the screen. Very low res -> QVGA -> WVGA -> 720p -> 1080p. Well that's great, but for the next generation, where do you go? There's really no perceivable need to put anything higher into a sub 5" device. Maybe flexible screens? Unbreakable screens? etc etc? That's still not gonna actually increase the photonic information presented to your eyes from the device.
Or take the physical phone body. The GS4 is pushing the screen so far that it's easily covering 80-90% of the entire front surface area. So okay, next gen, you make the entire front surface a screen. Then what? Make the phone thinner? Well, at a certain point you hit a limit there as well. People can only grasp and comfortably hold objects of up to a certain depth. When you get it smaller than that, you're basically just printing a screen onto a knife blade. So that's no good...
Let's try connectivity. LTE and 802.11ac? Most cell networks couldn't saturate their LTE links if they tried, they simply don't have the capacity yet. And even if they did... You're telling me you can even find a use-case where your phone is pumping out/in 100+ mbit/s of data? I mean, at home it's nice to move music/videos/files around sure. But I highly doubt anyone is routinely moving gigabytes of data per hour on any sort of mobile device. Once you hit what you need for say HD video streaming... where else is there to go? Again, the next generation doesn't really need to move data any faster than this.
Sensors? Well, there's actually lots of room for improvement here. And also, un-coincidentally, this is where the GS4 has some the of greatest advantage over other current/last generation devices. While we're still pretty far away from a proper tricorder, we can now sense via magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope, light sensor, infrared sensor, microphones, thermometer, hydrometer, barometer, and two cameras... But building sensors isn't the hard part. It's building clever software to do something with these sensors.
I could go on further... but the point I should think is clear. Yea, it's a bit disappointing that nothing since the original GS1/GS2 has really been a full "generation and a half" ahead of the competition... but a large portion of that is simply because we're beginning to hit the ceiling with some of these improvements. Yea, in 20 years "phones" will be unpredictably evolved from what we have now. But I bet the screens still won't have any higher effective PPI than what we're approaching now...
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posting to hit 10 posts so I can actually post in development section....wth.....
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Wrong and wrong.
1) There's a reason you need to post elsewhere first.
2) The fact that you say "what the hell" to that requirement further shows you are not yet ready to post in development.
3) Spamming random unrelated comments into random threads is not the way to reach the 10 post minimum
I suggest you start by reading the rules and the stickies.
Have a nice day, and welcome to XDA.
Im only getting it becuase i wanted a smaller note 2 with no spen. The s4 gives me that with plenty of horsepower. Plus the 32gb $250 price point is a good sell. If the htc one had a replaceable battery it would of been a no brainer based on design alone.
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posting to hit 10 posts so I can actually post in development section....wth.....
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*Face palm* If there's one place where you never post something like that, it's XDA. The moderators here take people who break the rules pretty seriously.
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I wish we could have a revolutionary phone come out like the Galaxy SII did. Even today, Galaxy SII is unsurpassed with performance. Is there any app or game that it can't run? I mean, it came out nearly 2 years ago, and still has not been matched by an app.
I hope Galaxy SV comes in the way of the revolution.
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I know but how about getting a different phone if your prime use is phoning, like a 2g that'll give you 2/3 days, or if you're making calls while indoors plug it in or use a land line, flagship smartphones are computing devices not really phones any more.
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I never said my prime use is phone calls. I just said 20 min is not the norm. And again where do you get your information. No matter what phone whether it is a dumb phone or smart phone, one of the main focus of a phone period involves making phone calls. Otherwise it would be called a multimedia device and not a phone.
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I wish we could have a revolutionary phone come out like the Galaxy SII did. Even today, Galaxy SII is unsurpassed with performance. Is there any app or game that it can't run? I mean, it came out nearly 2 years ago, and still has not been matched by an app.
I hope Galaxy SV comes in the way of the revolution.
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Wait, what, lol!
Pretty sure the Gs1 started the trend there. Gs2 was nice, but nothing revolutionary.... The s3 was by far the best in the series thus far, until this one comes out.
With that said, I like my Note 2 more so than my s3.
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I think the Note series has been pretty revolutionary and Samsung has worked hard to come up with clever things to do with the stylus.
I don't know what big hardware improvements are left to do. The one I would like the most is 3-D capabilities, both screen and camera, like the Evo 3D. I would imagine in the last two years the technology has gotten better and Samsung could market it a lot better than HTC. Plus there is more 3D content than two years ago. Samsung could also do cool things with 3D and the hover technology.
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I never said my prime use is phone calls. I just said 20 min is not the norm. And again where do you get your information. No matter what phone whether it is a dumb phone or smart phone, one of the main focus of a phone period involves making phone calls. Otherwise it would be called a multimedia device and not a phone.
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Ah well tough break, I guess this phone isn't for you then.
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While I agree that the upgrades in the GS4 are barely a full generation ahead of the GS3, which is unfortunate given how much a jump the GS2 was over the GS1, and how much the GS1 was ahead of anything else at its time... there is a sort-of point about diminishing returns here as well. It's harder to "improve" certain aspects but so much, as we're beginning to hit the limits of what can even be perceived as an upgrade.
I mean, think about the screen. Very low res -> QVGA -> WVGA -> 720p -> 1080p. Well that's great, but for the next generation, where do you go? There's really no perceivable need to put anything higher into a sub 5" device. Maybe flexible screens? Unbreakable screens? etc etc? That's still not gonna actually increase the photonic information presented to your eyes from the device.
Or take the physical phone body. The GS4 is pushing the screen so far that it's easily covering 80-90% of the entire front surface area. So okay, next gen, you make the entire front surface a screen. Then what? Make the phone thinner? Well, at a certain point you hit a limit there as well. People can only grasp and comfortably hold objects of up to a certain depth. When you get it smaller than that, you're basically just printing a screen onto a knife blade. So that's no good...
Let's try connectivity. LTE and 802.11ac? Most cell networks couldn't saturate their LTE links if they tried, they simply don't have the capacity yet. And even if they did... You're telling me you can even find a use-case where your phone is pumping out/in 100+ mbit/s of data? I mean, at home it's nice to move music/videos/files around sure. But I highly doubt anyone is routinely moving gigabytes of data per hour on any sort of mobile device. Once you hit what you need for say HD video streaming... where else is there to go? Again, the next generation doesn't really need to move data any faster than this.
Sensors? Well, there's actually lots of room for improvement here. And also, un-coincidentally, this is where the GS4 has some the of greatest advantage over other current/last generation devices. While we're still pretty far away from a proper tricorder, we can now sense via magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope, light sensor, infrared sensor, microphones, thermometer, hydrometer, barometer, and two cameras... But building sensors isn't the hard part. It's building clever software to do something with these sensors.
I could go on further... but the point I should think is clear. Yea, it's a bit disappointing that nothing since the original GS1/GS2 has really been a full "generation and a half" ahead of the competition... but a large portion of that is simply because we're beginning to hit the ceiling with some of these improvements. Yea, in 20 years "phones" will be unpredictably evolved from what we have now. But I bet the screens still won't have any higher effective PPI than what we're approaching now...
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I have to disagree about LTE. That 100mbs conection is shared across possibly 100's of users and it does not take alot to bring it down to it's knees.
Video of sub 500kbs LTE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-VVwPqhXwI
That and really 2,3,4,5,10 GB is not really that much data if you plan using the LTE speeds fully. If I didn't have a unlimited plan, my bill would be higher in a month than what my phone cost.
I will say your right about the screen 1080p is good, well really for most 720p does the trick. ( I can still see the dot's on a 720p 4.3in screen though, but most can't.)
So, after spending a few years using HTC products (coming from Apple)...I have to say that I am increasingly disappointed with my "NEW" M8... And I'm sure all the die yards out there (which I was up until the M8, will attack me for saying this...) But, this phone is singularly the most disappointing thing that has ever happened to me.
I went from the iPhone 4 to the desire to the DNA to the M7 to the M8... And for the first 3 jumps, was incredibly pleased... Until now.
I have essentially spent $600 on a bigger M7. With the loss of the capacative buttons, and addition of the soft nav keys, I am left with the same size screen... Stock kernel adds almost no performance increase over a nodded M7 kernel... And the "actions to wake/sleep" aren't really that exciting coming from my M7..
The ONLY two things that I see as an upgrade are the battery (to be fair, is WAY better) and the option to use an AD card. There still is NO inductive charging in HTC's flagship... Yes, the screen size is increased, but lost to the soft nav keys, the camera that was garbage in the M7 is garbage in the M8... And the addition of a depth sensor satisfies exactly 4 people on the planet...
Pile that on top of the fact that I am now writti g from my 3rd M8 (I've had the phone(s) for a whopping 17 days...And am on my 3rd... My first had some messed up LCD bleed out of the box... My second wouldn't detect headphone removal... So... 17 days and $1800 worth of phone later, I'm still left with a feeling of jealousy as I look at my girlfriend's unrooted S5, seeing her using her full screen, inductive charging, a phone that weighs WAY less, and still has just as goon battery life and an infinitely better camera... Save for her lack of front facing camera... I am routinely jealous... And it's sad... Sad to have whY should be an amazing device, constantly showing that so little attention was given by the engineers at HTC as to what their customers wanted.. Sad..Sad...Sad...
So... Patiently waiting for the VZW S5 to get root, and I think I will leave this HTC trend behind...
I can relate to the headphone issues, that was very irritating.Now I am scared to plug any head phones in ... That was my second device.. My first device had air bubbles under the screen... HTC quality inspection sucks IMO.
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This is all under 15 days btw.
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Are you really suprised that the m8 is basically a m7 I mean anyone that looked at the specs should have reallized the m8 was a m7 with a bigger battery and a second crappy camera lol??? I mean come on lol having said that the s5 is a cheaply made piece of crap HTC may have issues out of the box but build quality is on a different level compared to Samsung anything.
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I've had zeros issues with mine and everything has been working great. The S5 looks good too, but touch wiz and a locked up bootloader with probably no way to unlock completely kill any samsung for me. I understand the camera isn't the best. but it works well enough for a phone and is fast and better in low light than any of my previous phones. If I wanted to take good pictures I'd use my DSLR anyways. Sound's like you've had some bad luck and like the S5 more anyways. Get whatever makes you happy no reason to spend so much on it if it doesn't.
Had mine since day one and haven't had one single issue. Used to be a Sammy fanboy before I traded my S4 for an M7 last year and I haven't looked back since. The S5 doesn't even interest me. Lol
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I have had HTC phones for a long time running and have also (and still do) have phones from Samsung (Note 3) and Sony (Xperia Z). It sounds to me like you have had some bad luck when it comes to the M8 and I certainly can understand why you are upset. One of my favorite things to do is to Mod my phone in various ways and I have always had that ability when it comes to HTC unlike Samsung. As the other poster said, The M8 is an updated version of the M7 not a ground breaking jump to something new. Apple is the reigning king of this by far. This is not a completely new model just an update of an already popular phone. One thing I do totally agree with you is about the camera. Many people believe the higher the megapixel the better picture will be. This is far from the truth. All a higher megapixel rating does is add pixels to an image which is useful for printing large format photos and cropping. That all being said, I feel like HTC could have done more to enhance the camera taking abilities of the phone. If I want to take a picture that counts I reach for my real (DSLR) camera. I love my M8 and loved my M7. I am certain that if the S5 is what you want there will be many willing buyers of your M8 to allow you to switch over to the S5. Everyone has different experiences and opinions so I am by no means going to say you are wrong. What I will say is as far as my M8 is concerned I am completely satisfied. Good luck jumping on the Samsung train.
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I have had HTC phones for a long time running and have also (and still do) have phones from Samsung (Note 3) and Sony (Xperia Z). It sounds to me like you have had some bad luck when it comes to the M8 and I certainly can understand why you are upset. One of my favorite things to do is to Mod my phone in various ways and I have always had that ability when it comes to HTC unlike Samsung. As the other poster said, The M8 is an updated version of the M7 not a ground breaking jump to something new. Apple is the reigning king of this by far. This is not a completely new model just an update of an already popular phone. One thing I do totally agree with you is about the camera. Many people believe the higher the megapixel the better picture will be. This is far from the truth. All a higher megapixel rating does is add pixels to an image which is useful for printing large format photos and cropping. That all being said, I feel like HTC could have done more to enhance the camera taking abilities of the phone. If I want to take a picture that counts I reach for my real (DSLR) camera. I love my M8 and loved my M7. I am certain that if the S5 is what you want there will be many willing buyers of your M8 to allow you to switch over to the S5. Everyone has different experiences and opinions so I am by no means going to say you are wrong. What I will say is as far as my M8 is concerned I am completely satisfied. Good luck jumping on the Samsung train.
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I too have a DSLR camera (Canon T4i... and i DIDNT buy the T5i because canon admitted that the T5i JUST added really good movie quality... quality that you can obtain by adding magic lantern... AND THEY ADMIT IT!!! (google it if you dont believe me)... and i didnt buy a D60 BECAUSE im not an amazing photographer, looking to get on the cover of NatGeo... and i knew i would get what i expected because canon was honest.. and i spent what i spent... because canon was honest... The garbage that HTC spews about their camera is nothing more than that.. its garbage... You CAN NOT refocus a shot with your M8.. you can add blur to it.. and it takes about 30 seconds to do so.. but i can do the same in photoshop in about half the time... and have been able to do so WITH ANY PHOTO EVER TAKEN... without 2 cameras...
As for megapixels.. you are right, to a degree.. megapixels are over rated.. you know what is under rated? adding a BETTER camera to a phone that is replacing its predecessor... they could have called it a 6MP CMOS.. and i would have felt better... but, to add exactly the same camera, with exactly the same screen size (after the soft nav) as my old phone? WTF!!! and, you know... if they hadnt used the same size HTC border at the bottom, but rather had given me edge to edge screen... fine.. but frankly, HOW DO YOU NOT FEEL RIPPED OFF? (seriously... put your M7 next to your M8... and start doing REAL comparisons... stop being biased because it's an HTC product...)
and im not saying the S5 is my direction... frankly, im leaning more severe.. thinking an i product... at least when they steal all of my money, i know im getting a remake of the last model because they added an S to it and charged $300 more for it...
FYI... I have since switched back to my M7... i really did love it as a phone... wasnt a fan of losing inductive charging... but, whatever.. the rest made up for it from the DNA... The M8 though... GARBAGE
(On a side note.. yes, the headphones.. F*ing AMAZEBALLS!!!... they actually do sound better on my M8 and M7 than my beats in ear buds do)...
I don't have much to dispute about what your saying about the camera. But if I was buying a phone for only a camera it wouldn't be an HTC or a Samsung. Overall I knew what I was getting into and I am pleased.
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Yeah, I feel your pain. I've accepted the downsides to the M8, and if the purchase of it has taught me anything, it's made me aware of what I'm really looking for in a phone. I'm really really hoping Verizon picks up the Sony Z2, and that development is not locked down. Until the next big thing comes along, I'm ok with the M8.
Strange, isn't there supposed to be an onslaught of hate posts defending the M8 because you expressed a completely justified dissatisfaction? Aren't moderators supposed to be blathering on about how a "general" thread is apparently not place to discuss such things?
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Yeah, I feel your pain. I've accepted the downsides to the M8, and if the purchase of it has taught me anything, it's made me aware of what I'm really looking for in a phone. I'm really really hoping Verizon picks up the Sony Z2, and that development is not locked down. Until the next big thing comes along, I'm ok with the M8.
Strange, isn't there supposed to be an onslaught of hate posts defending the M8 because you expressed a completely justified dissatisfaction? Aren't moderators supposed to be blathering on about how a "general" thread is apparently not place to discuss such things?
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I am hereby renaming the M8 ... the Heavier M7... the HM7 for short...
It is a little sad that the defense for the M8 thus-far is "I'm generally satisfied" with mine...
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I am hereby renaming the M8 ... the Heavier M7... the HM7 for short...
It is a little sad that the defense for the M8 thus-far is "I'm generally satisfied" with mine...
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What did you want us to say? I'm completely satisfied with mine.
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I love mine. I've had almost every single phone Verizon has offered in the past five or six years since I worked for them. M8 is definitely the best phone I've ever owned.
The color of the camera and dynamic range are spectacular. People wonder why the s5 has brighter pictures and its because of software post processing which degrades the quality of the image. The HTC One series is truly a photographer's phone. It takes beautiful raw images and then let's you, the user, post process the way you like.
As for the build vs the m7, the m8 is far better feeling and sturdier.
I understand what you are saying with your original post. But, there aren't going to be mind blowing new things every year. If that's what you want, then but a phone every second or third year. Don't post disappointments on here, bashing a perfectly good phone for the following year. HTC did great, you just don't know how or what to expect from mobile technology.
To add, sorry you had some lemons, but you're one of few. It happens. Move on. And the weight..it's 15 grams. Do you know how little a gram is?! Stop majoring on the minor my friend.
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The M8 is an upgraded M7... Period! Just like the S5 is an upgraded S4 and so on. If you are looking for something to blow your mind, it is not yet available. This market is getting to a point where you will probably only see minor spec bumps with ANY manufacturer. I love the M8 cause of the build and overall snappiness of the device. It is much quicker than the M7 in all tasks due to the upgraded hardware. Just sold my T-Mobile S5 and I am very grateful I did cause TouchWiz is hideous! I realized why I ditched Samsung long ago. There really is no other competition as far as Verizon phones go IMO. This has and will have a huge development following and that is few and far between nowadays, especially with Verizon. You can always wait for the iPhone 6?? Lol
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The M8 is an upgraded M7... Period! Just like the S5 is an upgraded S4 and so on. If you are looking for something to blow your mind, it is not yet available. This market is getting to a point where you will probably only see minor spec bumps with ANY manufacturer. I love the M8 cause of the build and overall snappiness of the device. It is much quicker than the M7 in all tasks due to the upgraded hardware. Just sold my T-Mobile S5 and I am very grateful I did cause TouchWiz is hideous! I realized why I ditched Samsung long ago. There really is no other competition as far as Verizon phones go IMO. This has and will have a huge development following and that is few and far between nowadays, especially with Verizon. You can always wait for the iPhone 6?? Lol
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And quick charge 2.0!!! It's insanely fast charging!! There are so many nice upgrades to this gorgeous phone. And, unlike the s5, they are well put together lol.
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And quick charge 2.0!!! It's insanely fast charging!! There are so many nice upgrades to this gorgeous phone. And, unlike the s5, they are well put together lol.
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Yup!
I'm digging my m8, Completely happy with it. Besides having to play with the camera settings for my best photo.
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Hope you enjoy the s5. It will get root sometime in the next few months in sure but with that gawd awful safe strap and no CM. The s4 was made by playschool but holy sh*t the s5 takes it to a whole new level. It feels so cheap that it could pass for a fake toy if you put a sticker on the screen. Not too mention is probably slow and clunky with its awful touchwiz ui. Don't get me wrong, TW has potential, but they need to hire some real programmers to write their software because there is no excuse for the s4 or 5 to be as slow as they are when the m7 and m8 blaze through everything with the exact same hardware. Is the m8 a worthy upgrade from an m7? I think so. It's not a night and day difference but anyone that can read should have known that.
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I am hereby renaming the M8 ... the Heavier M7... the HM7 for short...
It is a little sad that the defense for the M8 thus-far is "I'm generally satisfied" with mine...
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The "defense"... Uhhhhhhhhhh... Sounds like you're trying to bait for something..
Also, the weight thing is negligible at best... If you truly can tell a night and day difference? You've gotta work out some more.
The M8, in my opinion, is far better than the Samsung's I've sporadically owned.. And as for just an "upgraded" m7? Let's talk about Samsung.... And Apple... And LG.......... Uhhhhh
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Nah, the M8 is the best smartphone experience available right now. Samsung's Touchwiz is marred by issues in its design and performance. Stock software is VERY important nowadays since getting root, let alone a stable AOSP ROM for said device, is much more difficult nowadays. Samsung has shown that they refuse to evolve in this way and will eventually fall behind. Even Apple managed to update their user interface.
I agree that HTC needs to step up their quality control. I understand they're trying to get back into the black but I too went through 2 devices prior to having this third acceptable one.
The Z2 comes close, but I find Sony's overlay to be behind as well. HTC really knocked it out of the park with Sense 6.
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This is all personal preference. If you're so disappointed with your m8 you probably should've researched more before buying it. Possibly looking at reviews that literally all pointed out the capacitive button change and same camera quality as the m7.
Every device is going to have quirks about it that isn't perfect, so what? This phone is fantastic in every way, and nitpicking little details like the weight of the device or camera quality are things you should've researched before making a $600 purchase.
By the way, a little note on the camera, every single person who have seen some of the photos I've taken have been amazed at the quality. 70% are iPhone users. I just took a group photo yesterday with my phone, and my friend used her iPhone 5s. Everyone in the group liked my photo more, with both photos in the exact same conditions.
Give the camera a chance before you knock it, I've had nothing but great results.
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It's such a shame that the K Zoom never really took off. I owned one for about 6 months and loved it. I only changed it when the Note 4 was released. But during my time with the KZ I found the camera produced amazing photos with its 10X zoom and Xenon flash. The phone part was very capable too with a good sized high resolution screen, along with a decent amount of power. I also thought the price tag on this device was very reasonable too.
So why did it fail? Well I am guessing on a few theories. Firstly, maybe that it looked too much like the Galaxy S5 and although I personally don't think either the S5 or KZ look bad at all, a lot of people do. Samsung was getting a lot of criticism for their lack lustre designs and maybe it was released at the wrong time. Another theory would be that it was bulky. Though less so than its predecessor the Galaxy S4 Zoom. Maybe some weren't sure about a hybrid device, especially when cameras on phones in general were exceeding the quality of standalone cameras.
But I am a firm believer that one of the reasons these niche devices fail, is because Samsung just don't develop or support them once they are released. I mean development for their flagship phones doesn't exactly impress, so what chance does a less popular device get? Take the Galaxy Camera and the Galaxy Camera 2. Both great and revolutionary devices at the time but they just didn't get any proper updates. Both stuck on Jelly Bean and both having issues that a firmware upgrade could have cured. The K Zoom would have benefited from some firmware update love and an upgrade from KK 4.4.2 too was much needed.
I have always wanted to be able to afford to keep certain phones I buy in an archive. But due to the cost I tend to trade everything in to get the latest devices. If I had to choose which ones I would keep, then the K Zoom would be one of them. It is a great phone hybrid, it's a shame it didn't sell well and it's sad there is no successor in the pipeline.
So, why do you think the KZ didn't do so well?
I love the Kzoom - i will never be getting rid of it
I have a few fones , my main driver is zen2 4gb ram 64gb 64 bit SoC .
The kzoom is too luxurious to carry around , mainly for special events
The little development that has been, is enough for me -- its a special device and always will be in my eyes
The only fail is people just want the latest and thats not always the best !
Perhaps Samsung should consider aggressively supporting custom ROM development for the device?
I still use my KZ SM-C111 & take it everywhere I go, I think it's the best android smartphone ever. The only downside is no real support from Samsung.
I just wish anyone successfully make Lollipop Lite for KZ since it came with only 8GB capacity :crying:
it's big, it's heavy, it doesn't have enougth memory, the camera is not dust proof, the battery is too small, but I cannot find any other smartphone with a 10x zoom !
Hello, I really love my k zoom. The pictures are beautiful and the phone is absolutely not to heavy. Soon I can pick another phone but what about the motorola x style?
The fact its big and heavier than normal are exactly the reasons I was seriously considering getting one for my mum who has problems with her hands. The weight and size would be easier for her to hold, modern phones are too small and light that she would just drop them.
The fact its stuck on KitKat is a problem though as I worry about any security holes left in the OS due to no updates.
Love it!
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I've got the K-Zoom from the time it just got out and love it.
The only thing that really suck is the way Samsung has been treating its customers with their crappy update policy but one cant blame the phone for that
The main reason the phone never really 'took off' is in my opinion:
Lack of publicity in Europe.
I havent met anyone in Europe who knew the phone. Everyone who sees it and whom I inform about its specs is interested. Especially in its camera's capability's. The huge lens that appears out of the phone amazes everyone as well as the quality of the pictures. Havent had any negative remarks about the looks or its weight. In fact I've had countless requests of people who wanted to buy it from me.
The name should have been S5 zoom to like the S4 zoom which was more of a camera that could make calls.
I only found out about the K-zoom after intensive search for a good camera phone. Most people don't take that time but after calling/messaging, making pictures/videos is the biggest thing on smartphones so the problem want lack of interest.
Sure there are better phones and better cameras but who wants to pack both all the time?
I love my K Zoom but I wish Samsung (or an XDA developer) would support Marshmallow on it and allow apps to be transferred to the SD card.
The K-Zoom is not dead...
It just has been copied:
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/08/31/first-look-hasselblad-camera-moto-mod/
ROTFL!
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It just has been copied:
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/08/31/first-look-hasselblad-camera-moto-mod/
ROTFL!
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copied? its a moto mod not a phone unlike KZ.
I love my K Zoom
apprentice said:
It's such a shame that the K Zoom never really took off. I owned one for about 6 months and loved it. I only changed it when the Note 4 was released. But during my time with the KZ I found the camera produced amazing photos with its 10X zoom and Xenon flash. The phone part was very capable too with a good sized high resolution screen, along with a decent amount of power. I also thought the price tag on this device was very reasonable too.
So why did it fail? Well I am guessing on a few theories. Firstly, maybe that it looked too much like the Galaxy S5 and although I personally don't think either the S5 or KZ look bad at all, a lot of people do. Samsung was getting a lot of criticism for their lack lustre designs and maybe it was released at the wrong time. Another theory would be that it was bulky. Though less so than its predecessor the Galaxy S4 Zoom. Maybe some weren't sure about a hybrid device, especially when cameras on phones in general were exceeding the quality of standalone cameras.
But I am a firm believer that one of the reasons these niche devices fail, is because Samsung just don't develop or support them once they are released. I mean development for their flagship phones doesn't exactly impress, so what chance does a less popular device get? Take the Galaxy Camera and the Galaxy Camera 2. Both great and revolutionary devices at the time but they just didn't get any proper updates. Both stuck on Jelly Bean and both having issues that a firmware upgrade could have cured. The K Zoom would have benefited from some firmware update love and an upgrade from KK 4.4.2 too was much needed.
I have always wanted to be able to afford to keep certain phones I buy in an archive. But due to the cost I tend to trade everything in to get the latest devices. If I had to choose which ones I would keep, then the K Zoom would be one of them. It is a great phone hybrid, it's a shame it didn't sell well and it's sad there is no successor in the pipeline.
So, why do you think the KZ didn't do so well?
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I love my K Zoom. Was definitely not advertised enough/properly. After I Rooted my phone (My first Rooted phone) I was able to transfer all apps to the external 64gb SD & I mean all (Games, applications, etc)
The only reason that I want to change my phone is its lack of Mirrorlink support that my new vehicle has.
Great camera, good battery life
I even have my LG Optimus 3D because of its 3D camera & glasses free 3D content.
Its for keeps...
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I love my K Zoom. Was definitely not advertised enough/properly. After I Rooted my phone (My first Rooted phone) I was able to transfer all apps to the external 64gb SD & I mean all (Games, applications, etc)
The only reason that I want to change my phone is its lack of Mirrorlink support that my new vehicle has.
Great camera, good battery life
I even have my LG Optimus 3D because of its 3D camera & glasses free 3D content.
Its for keeps...
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You are lucky if you can afford to keep them. I had a HTC Evo 3D and I loved it. But 3D never took off sadly, the novelty factor was awesome but like most novelties they fall out of favour. This is another phone I would like to have kept in my little phone museum!
rin67630 said:
It just has been copied:
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/08/31/first-look-hasselblad-camera-moto-mod/
ROTFL!
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I disagree. This is just a bolt on to a phone, it's not the true hybrid device of the K-Zoom or S4 Zoom. It looks like Samsung don't have plans to produce another phone like this (though you never know)
G33RT. said:
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Lack of publicity in Europe.
I havent met anyone in Europe who knew the phone. Everyone who sees it and whom I inform about its specs is interested. Especially in its camera's capability's.
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Here I am from Rome, I quote everything you say. Now I'm just waiting my other phone (P9) to come back from service due to a broken (insured) glass and I'll send there my KZoom to change and clean the lens. This is the only drawback of such a good phone and such an extraordinary camera (I took some wonderful night pictures in Pisa, couldn't believe my eyes). As soon as it will be back I will root it and try to swap memorys.
Salva con nome said:
Here I am from Rome, I quote everything you say. Now I'm just waiting my other phone (P9) to come back from service due to a broken (insured) glass and I'll send there my KZoom to change and clean the lens. This is the only drawback of such a good phone and such an extraordinary camera (I took some wonderful night pictures in Pisa, couldn't believe my eyes). As soon as it will be back I will root it and try to swap memorys.
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I recently damaged my screen with some water. Got me a S5 mini. These are rather cheap and are quite good actually as well as water resist
Its 8mp cam doesn't perform al that bad but it doesn't compare to the K-zoom which i'm definitely going to get fixed!
Our K-zooms are going to be collectors items since there have only been made and sold few of them i believe :good:
Samsung K Zoom was the king once
Bought this phone (CM 115) for my wife the other day since it was on special and she has always wanted one ever since it was released almost two years back. She absolutely loves her new K Zoom and it's so sad to see how such a powerful phone camera is being ignored by it's developer Samsung.
This phone is amazing with how smoothly it integrates with that camera on board. Just also hope that one day there might be a little bit of something coming from Samsung for this phone in terms of OS that might make this phone more current.
I too own the Galaxy K Zoom, it's a bit...damaged - but otherwise works fine
Got it super cheap due to the digitizer being cracked near the bottom, and thought it was the greatest thing ever with that massive camera!
Played around with it for a while and yeah, it's a great phone with reasonable specs, looks like an S5 (Which never bothered me), and was the perfect blend of a "Camera Phone".
For use as a phone - perfect. In your hands it feels just like that era of Samsung Devices, then go into Camera Mode and it becomes like one of Samsungs flagship cameras. It's amazing how that switch is so well thought out.
Hex-Core, 2GB RAM, 4G/LTE etc. At first I thought it has to be more powerful, logically than the S5 but I think I maybe wrong.
Probably due to being on 4.4.2 and my S5 being on 6.0.1, there's a noticeable difference in speed and all that. The S5 is snappy whereas the K Zoom is a bit laggy.
Camera - I used it a lot for some great photos of close ups of electronics, PCBs etc. Then I kind of got a little iffy with the battery draining quick when taking a decent amount of photos and with the whole phone getting pretty warm and went to my S5 again and was happy with it.
So for 6 months it's been in my DroidDraw, (I have a lot of unusual Android based phones in there) and this was hidden at the side along with my other camera based phones like my HTC Evo 3D and Sharp Aquos 3D Camera phone (SH16?), anyway, got the K Zoom out and really made me think why did this phone fail. It is a great phone but for consumers, being bulky, looking like a reused design, an old OS etc. I think it all attributed to it becoming just one of those fad phones.
Whatever, I appreciate it for what it is. Samsung need to do another phone mix up one day. They can do it. Just need the demands for it I suppose.
So nobody made Lolipop for this phone ? How come ?