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I’m going to be buying a new phone soon. I’ve been eyeing up the Galaxy S II but I thought I might as well wait and see what is announced this month. One thing that all top end rumoured phones have in common is a 720p display. I have to admit this alone has tempted me to wait. But then I got to thinking, aside from the ‘cool’ factor. What benefit in the real world will a 720p display bring us?
The two main advantages that I can see are improved PPI and the obvious advantage when playing 720p videos. But a higher PPI means more processing power, which in turn means lower battery life. Also from an admittedly purely lazy point of view it means having to zoom in further to be able to read text.
A 720p display will now mean that 480p videos on youtube and the like will be upscaled and won’t look as good. ‘Just choose the 720p option’ you say. Fine, so long as you’re on wifi. Until 4G hits and is widespread (which in the UK is going to take a while) it will mean longer waits and buffer issues.
Yes I’m nit picking but I’d genuinely like to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons of a 720p display. I know there will be many more I’ve missed.
i see it from 2 sides....
720p = really nice picture quality
720p bad for some apps/games, which might no longer run properly, unless fixed, or some how the hardware can auto adjust the resolution to stretch it to fit.
720p can be a bit of a pain, if some Apps/Games developer decide to use too small of a touch area, due the larger dot-pix available in the 720p area
that also means DVD quality or lower quality videos played on the 720p will look like blurry or smeared, that can be fixed with software/hardware correction, like games.
^^ All that.
Plus, I don't really see the need for a 720 screen that's around the 4" size. Do you really need pixels that small? They'll be smaller than photons if we carry on like this and then it'll be reality that'll have to catch up with our tech
Personally, I wouldn't hold back for purely that one feature, but who knows what else is round the corner. Get a phone and let it be the best for a few months and then slowly drop down the list. As everyone always says, there's always something better coming, and if you waited then you'd never get anything.
Incidentally, I do have the SGS2, and it is REALLY nice
well definitely 1080p will be around the corner as we already stepped into the 720p kingdom
so 1080p on a 4" display would not be a long wait, but it will really make you think, what's the point of cramming so much in such a little screen
i can see 1080p to be a normal thin on a 10" tablet, but on a phone... that's a bit much
i do hope they don't go beyond 720p on any screen smaller than 5"
imagine running Windows Vista/7 on 15" wide LCD at 1080 (there are many laptops that are actually like that) it's soooooo eye strain-ful, it literally kills the eyes
i always down set the resolution back to something more readable to not strain my eyes
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i always down set the resolution back to something more readable to not strain my eyes
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Do you need your reading glasses as well, so you can find your pipe and slippers?
i don't wear glasses, and i intent to keep it that way, reason why i prefer an easy reading, on 480 vs 720
on 720 i'll have to probably the the font size twice as big, to make it easily legible when you are in the car, bus/subway, or walking
no i don't get dizzy reading while doing any of the above
many people can't read if they are in a moving vehicle
probably due the same relevant issue about having to scan the text in a small device and straining your vision, while trying to keep an eye on the road and not crashing
AllGamer said:
i don't wear glasses, and i intent to keep it that way, reason why i prefer an easy reading, on 480 vs 720
on 720 i'll have to probably the the font size twice as big, to make it easily legible when you are in the car, bus/subway, or walking
no i don't get dizzy reading while doing any of the above
many people can't read if they are in a moving vehicle
probably due the same relevant issue about having to scan the text in a small device and straining your vision, while trying to keep an eye on the road and not crashing
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I agree with you, therebisbreally no reason to go above 720p resolution on small smartphone devices. I myself notice my eyes begin to hurt after more than thirty minutes or so of heavy reading on my Sensation. Now I know my Sensation does not have 720p but I am just saying the size of the screen and the text on that screen is no doubt a strain on the human eye after extended reading done on the device. 1080p is definitely so,ethimg that should just make it to the larger tablets and not smartphones.
Oh and yes actually paying attention to the road while you are driving is a highly recommended activity lol.
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that also means DVD quality or lower quality videos played on the 720p will look like blurry or smeared, that can be fixed with software/hardware correction, like games.
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This is just plain wrong, low resolution video will look just as good on 720p displays.
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Maybe i miss-understood your question, but i am using the Galaxy SII
I never had any screen / resolution issues
Well,first off,let's not forget that Android supports changing the DPI in build.prop(I think-haven't bothered in a while).I don't think manufacturers will leave 220-240 dpi of the current devices on 720p devices,but they would rather pump it up,so that everything stays the same size,but is just crisper.That's just my thought though.
On another note,lower resolution videos won't look worse at all.Resolution in that aspect is irrelevant.The same way that you can play a 720p video on a 480p screen without problems,you can do the opposite just as well.Unless some manufacturer decides to f*ck it up with upscaling tricks and stuff that will defo make the image blurry and ugly.
The only really valid argument on the topic,in my opinion,is the possible lack of processing power,especially when it comes to GPUs.We even saw the Mali MP-400,the most powerful GPU on a PHONE (DON'T SAY ABOUT THE A5 IN THE iPAD!!!!) to date,struggle to keep up in the case of the Galaxy Note's resolution.If the next gen of SoCs doesn't improve quite a lot in that aspect,we'll see some performance drops for sure.Not to mention the worst thing,the losses of battery life in case that extra power is met.Not that I mind about battery life as long as it makes it through the day,but many many people do.
Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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progressive, opposed to the i of interlaced.
Technically 720i use half the vertical pixels for each frame.
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Do any of you guys know the p in 720p stands for?
It has nothing to do with resolution, which is what you are all trying to talk about.
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Yes man,we know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p
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HD rules
Hopefully in a week or so Sammy announces this beast of tablet: 12" 2500x1600 display (give or take . Hoping they get something like 2GB RAM (a la SG3) along with a GPU that can hold its own against IPad domination.
For now I am keeping the 2 TF101s that I have, TF700 just doesn't look like much of an upgrade ... Jelly Bean (along with fixed IO) might change that, but I am going to wait for now.
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Hopefully in a week or so Sammy announces this beast of tablet: 12" 2500x1600 display (give or take . Hoping they get something like 2GB RAM (a la SG3) along with a GPU that can hold its own against IPad domination.
For now I am keeping the 2 TF101s that I have, TF700 just doesn't look like much of an upgrade ... Jelly Bean (along with fixed IO) might change that, but I am going to wait for now.
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I/o is fixed with . 26 update. Very very pleased w my tf700 now. :laugh:
well samsung rolls out updates for their products like once a year
i thought i will wait for the rumored nexus 10 but decided to get this one, still have to wait 1 week oh my god, what can i do in this week?
I have a GS3 and I love it, but what i like even more is that Asus always updates their hardware...you dont have to wait 4 months for a OS update. I also have a G73JH which i totally love...asus are the boss
Every time I've tried using a display model Samsung tablet, I've been shocked at just how laggy things are. The resolution bump would also be barely noticable, on the TF700 you already cant see the pixels. If they do bump the ram to 2gb, with the nexus and almost every other HC/ICS tablet out being 1gb that means we're covered for quite some time app wise, even 512mb devices can still run plenty fluid.
So for me? No.
With very few 10in optomized apps around, other than basic web browsing and movie playing I really don't have a use for a 12 in android pad. Now win8 might be another story.
Plus Samsung still sucks at updates. We're jousting getting ics. They agreed to 18months of support, but at updates every 12 months they may have just promised a year.
So now I have to decide to go with asus' poor qc or crappy Samsung support. You can see why android hasn't taken over in tablets yet. Believe me, I love my android, I've got phones with verizon and sprint and 3 tablets. I won't bother with the other players yet.
No offense, but these threads are getting old. How many people do you really expect to find waiting in here? Most have already own or have immediate plans to. If you want to discuss a device vs device, and then start an appropriately named thread.
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2560x1600? No thanks. There's a reason I didn't get the ipad 3. Enjoy your 1080p upscaling or black box.
I got b& at /g/ for sh!tposting ;_;
It likely won't have a keyboard dock, which is something that once you, chances your entire experience with the tablet. It is why I likely won't buy tablets in the future that doesn't have one. I need productivity in my computing devices and the keyboard is a must to accomplish that. We may have gotten pretty far in our technology over the last several years, but it is going to be difficult to find something that can replace a keyboard.
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It likely won't have a keyboard dock, which is something that once you, chances your entire experience with the tablet. It is why I likely won't buy tablets in the future that doesn't have one. I need productivity in my computing devices and the keyboard is a must to accomplish that. We may have gotten pretty far in our technology over the last several years, but it is going to be difficult to find something that can replace a keyboard.
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Samsung's post product support is by far the worst. They can keep their 12 month updates. They do it on purpose, so you buy their next latest & greatest product. So he'll to the noooooooo!
Amen
jdeoxys said:
2560x1600? No thanks. There's a reason I didn't get the ipad 3. Enjoy your 1080p upscaling or black box.
I got b& at /g/ for sh!tposting ;_;
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i think you don't know how to divide 2560 by 1600
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i think you don't know how to divide 2560 by 1600
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I don't think you know what I'm talking about. 1920x1080 (industry standard) does not fit evenly into 2560x1600. You first have to upscale it to 2560x1440 (16:9 ratio). If you choose not to upscale it, you get a big black box around your video. If you choose to do so however, the pixels are distorted because it is not evenly at a 1:1 rate of pixels and is more around 3:2 which will cause some distortion. Obviously.
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I don't think you know what I'm talking about. 1920x1080 (industry standard) does not fit evenly into 2560x1600. You first have to upscale it to 2560x1440 (16:9 ratio). If you choose not to upscale it, you get a big black box around your video. If you choose to do so however, the pixels are distorted because it is not evenly at a 1:1 rate of pixels and is more around 3:2 which will cause some distortion. Obviously.
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but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)
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but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)
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The Infinity doesn't upscale anything. It may leave a little room on the top and bottom because the resolution is slightly larger on the vertical, but a good amount of that is taken up by the Android status bar.
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but that's what happens to the infinity too. and i don't think you get the "black box", but you just get 2 "black bars" (top and bottom), also because of the status bar in android, i think you only see a bigger black bar on bottom (i could be wrong about this, but you have the infinity so you know what i mean)
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His point is more about the distortion than the bars. There's very few tablets on the market that wont letterbox to some extent because Android targets 16:10 and iOS targets 4:3. On the Infinity, you'll have the bar on the bottom but you wont lose any clarity. The 2560x1600 display, however, would because it would have to stretch it to play it without letterboxing on the left and right.
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The Infinity doesn't upscale anything. It may leave a little room on the top and bottom because the resolution is slightly larger on the vertical, but a good amount of that is taken up by the Android status bar.
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yeah, that's what i meant,
2560x1600 = 16:10 aspect ratio (rumored samsung tablet)
1920x1200 = 16:10 aspect ratio (the infinity)
they both run android of course, so both have status bar, basically i mean the video viewing experience on the 2 tablets is the same (except for the high resolution 2560x1600 may make the video blurry, but about "video size" they look the same) while he said it will upscale or black box which i don't understand or maybe because i'm stupid
I enjoy using the KB dock with me TF101. The extra juice, the keys, the extra ports and I also have 64GB SD card in there.
As to the vendor ROM support , who cares much, most of us run custom ROMs anyway. I have GS2, a friend just got GS3, Sammy knows what they are doing.
As long as we get a nice JB start, we shall be off to the races.
And a whole lot of us are in the same boat - have the TF101 or 200 and are on the fence about 700's value, especially in the light of P10 and the gazillion of Win8 systems that will hit the market relatively soon.
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yeah, that's what i meant,
2560x1600 = 16:10 aspect ratio (rumored samsung tablet)
1920x1200 = 16:10 aspect ratio (the infinity)
they both run android of course, so both have status bar, basically i mean the video viewing experience on the 2 tablets is the same (except for the high resolution 2560x1600 may make the video blurry, but about "video size" they look the same) while he said it will upscale or black box which i don't understand or maybe because i'm stupid
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Just google the word "upscaling" and you'll know what he means.
Movies look best on their native resolution.
The Infinity WON'T CHANGE the resolution but it will have 2 little bars.
The Sammy WILL CHANGE the resolution to 2560x1600 by upscaling, which results in a little blurry picture and will still have 2 little bars.
Try to use a non native resolution on your PC monitor for example. Turn it down a bit. You'll notice the blurryness )
Exactly the same happens on the Sammy tablet. It will get stretched or "upscaled".
But that's only interesting for movies etc.
Apps for the 1920 x1200 resolution are rare, don't expect apps running native 2560x1600
Just my opinion: I like some smartphones like the Galaxy Nexus (mostly because its native Android with early update guarantee) or the S3 (but please Samsung, get rid of stupid Touchwiz)
But on Tablets I prefer Asus, they have more updates, listen to the community and they don't spam the device with a stupid launcher that slows down the system.
I am eagerly awaiting this device. So damn bored with my iPad 3 which gets boiling hot after 5 minutes of Safari (forget games etc). Should go nicely with my Galaxy S3. Tempted to get the Transformer 1920x1200 but I think I'll wait for this
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I am eagerly awaiting this device. So damn bored with my iPad 3 which gets boiling hot after 5 minutes of Safari (forget games etc). Should go nicely with my Galaxy S3. Tempted to get the Transformer 1920x1200 but I think I'll wait for this
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I'm sending back my TF700 and will wait on something else as I don't think the performance is up to par IMHO. Wait on the P10, maybe? I had the Galaxy P6810 7.7 Tab from Samsung and it was a pretty good tablet especially once JB came out. I just got the SGS 3 this past weekend and the phone performs great, as it should, even with ICS. My days of buying a sub performing device and waiting for the manufacturer to fix it later via updates is over. If it's a top dollar product and doesn't perform out of the box, forget it.
https://youtu.be/nP0I6Mb880E
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Yup, this was pretty obviously stated and samsung did tell people. You can turn the resolution up if you require also.
1920/1080 is 1080p....so 1080P+
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its a little more than 1080p. Also I speak from experience that you can not tell a difference unless you are looking for it. It is the same screen resolution on the S7's with nougat.
Yep it is. Lets not blow this out of proportion people if you want QHD+ its in the settings under display.
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Yep it is. Lets not blow this out of proportion people if you want QHD+ its in the settings under display.
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that also. lol. its not that bad it being 1080p+ though. It looks almost the same and to most you wont be able to tell.
Agreed ?
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I couldnt tell on my oneplus 3T, the screen was great.
QHD on a phone is overkill. It's a nice-to-have if you're trying to watch a movie, but other than that it's purely excessive. If someone showed you a 1080p and a QHD display on the S8 or even the s8 plus, I can all but guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I sure can't with my S7E.
The problem is not that 1080p looks bad. The problem is that this display has a set number of width and height pixels which is defined as 2960 x 1440. So if you want to display a picture which is 2220 x 1080 in a display which size isn't a multiple of the picture you have to interpolate. You somehow need to have just 1080 pixels in a row where there are supposed to be 1440. Why don't they go with 720p instead? Well I guess it would also look shi**y :/
Just my thoughts, I have never seen a S7 or S8 display.
EDIT: I just think about this from a delevoper perspecive. The developer thinks: Let's make a black 2px line there -> it's a 2px line.
Because you cant fit a multiple of 1080 in 1440 the interpolation would make a 2,66px line. As you know you cant color 0.66 parts of a pixel black. So most likely the whole pixel will be black which results in a 3px black line where there should be a 2,66px line. As this happens with every pixel of the display the image won't just get inaccurate but also the GPU has to do some very unnecessary scaling work.
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The problem is not that 1080p looks bad. The problem is that this display has a set number of width and height pixels which is defined as 2960 x 1440. So if you want to display a picture which is 2220 x 1080 in a display which size isn't a multiple of the picture you have to interpolate. You somehow need to have just 1080 pixels in a row where there are supposed to be 1440. Why don't they go with 720p instead? Well I guess it would also look shi**y :/
Just my thoughts, I have never seen a S7 or S8 display.
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It's the same as changing the resolution of a computer or monitor display. The interpolation isn't the issue, every manufacture has that down pat. 720p would make a noticeable difference, even in basic browsing and function. 1080p is enough that on a screen the size of the S8 or S8+ you wouldn't be able to see the individual (or interpolated) pixels.
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It's the same as changing the resolution of a computer or monitor display. The interpolation isn't the issue, every manufacture has that down pat. 720p would make a noticeable difference, even in basic browsing and function. 1080p is enough that on a screen the size of the S8 or S8+ you wouldn't be able to see the individual (or interpolated) pixels.
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I didn't say that this is not the same. But when I buy a 1080p monitor, I use it in 1080p because thats what it is intended for. You won't see pixels on a 500+ ppi device. But the image will be totally unaccurate and that's not what I generally like to look at. I just tried this in photoshop and the effect is even worse than I thought and demonstrated by that example picture in my last post. Here's what it'll really look like. You want to look at this? Of course it will be very small pixels but do you really don't mind?! I know I do.
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I didn't say that this is not the same. But when I buy a 1080p monitor, I use it in 1080p because thats what it is intended for. You won't see pixels on a 500+ ppi device. But the image will be totally unaccurate and that's not what I generally like to look at. I just tried this in photoshop and the effect is even worse than I thought and demonstrated by that example picture in my last post. Here's what it'll really look like. You want to look at this? Of course it will be very small pixels but do you really don't mind?! I know I do.
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That's not at all what it will really look like. Doing something in photoshop is not even close to how it will look in real life. Please look at the phone before you assume what it will look like. I just switched my phone from 1080p to QHD and back again, and I literally cannot tell the difference, even with my face pressed inches away from the phone.
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That's not at all what it will really look like. Doing something in photoshop is not even close to how it will look in real life. Please look at the phone before you assume what it will look like. I just switched my phone from 1080p to QHD and back again, and I literally cannot tell the difference, even with my face pressed inches away from the phone.
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You can't negotiate with the pixel science
Most likely the pixels are just to small to see a difference but I will take a look at the phone when I get it to judge wether switching to 1440p or not
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You can't negotiate with the pixel science
Most likely the pixels are just to small to see a difference but I will take a look at the phone when I get it to judge wether switching to 1440p or not
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But don't forget these OLED panels use a diamond pentile subpixel arragement, so the interpolation isn't quite the same as a traditional RGB LCD monitor.
It's REALLY REALLY difficult to tell the difference between QHD and 1080p on the S7. At more than about a foot, it's nearly impossible to tell. I know what you're saying, I hate running monitors at non-native resolutions.
If it bugs you that much, just change it.
If lower resolution gets me another 1hr SOT per day, I'll drop all the way to the bottom. Can't tell the diff.
I just changed to 1080 p on my S7E (was at the highest rez setting). Really can't see a difference. Icons and keyboard are a bit larger. Texts are a bit bigger. But as far as sharpness, look of the display, not an issue. Just going to test and see if this makes a difference much on SOT or not. I can always change back to the highest rez setting if I want - takes about 30 seconds to do.
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I just changed to 1080 p on my S7E (was at the highest rez setting). Really can't see a difference. Icons and keyboard are a bit larger. Texts are a bit bigger. But as far as sharpness, look of the display, not an issue. Just going to test and see if this makes a difference much on SOT or not. I can always change back to the highest rez setting if I want - takes about 30 seconds to do.
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This setting should not affect the size of the screen elements (icons, text) at all.
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This setting should not affect the size of the screen elements (icons, text) at all.
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The initial change of setting could change aspect ratios, but a quick restart should fix it.
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I use Nova launcher, Swype and Handcent texting app. It changed the size of icons, the size of font, the size of the keyboard and the size of the texts (the bubbles and text font). It did increase the size on all of those. Also increased the size of the quick settings, etc. It's not a big deal, but it did increase the size of things a bit. Has caused no problems so far otherwise.
Apparently there are reports that the green-tint issue is manifested on the Snapdragon version as well as the Tab S7 and S7+.
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Apparently there are reports that the green-tint issue is manifested on the Snapdragon version as well as the Tab S7 and S7+.
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Mine and my wife's doesn't have this issue..
Nope, don't want it either!
No green on mine.
I did. Luckily I got it replaced the very next day even if I *did* have to waste maybe 4 hours on the whole replacement process.
It was so bad that even on normal brightness you could see the green tinge on everything that was supposed to be black, or very dark grey.
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Just green tint? Mine was being a little yellowish so i reduced the color temperature then there was green tint and finally today i decided to compare my note 8 and the screen is not even as sharp as my 3 year old note 8. I am on support chat in the process to return it. This one is 512 GB U1 Variant.
The smaller chipsets and components Samsung will substitute as availability/demand dictates.
This can cause one or more to be out spec and/or the firmware and/or updates to behave unpredictably.
Worse it seems the only way Sambert knows which part was actually used sometimes is to physically inspect the device. So if it's a firmware bug Samsung still can't remotely remedy it... perfect.
Using multiple main chipsets and firmware versions in the same model only adds to this confusion.
A lot of room for error... in a box full of rabid gerbils, what could go wrong?
None here.
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Just green tint? Mine was being a little yellowish so i reduced the color temperature then there was green tint and finally today i decided to compare my note 8 and the screen is not even as sharp as my 3 year old note 8. I am on support chat in the process to return it. This one is 512 GB U1 Variant.
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Note 20 Ultra has a 6.9-inch display (496 ppi) when you have the resolution at WQHD+.
Note 8 has a 6.3-inch display (521 ppi) when you have the resolution at WQHD+.
Shouldn't be able to see any difference at that PPI level.
Did you have both phones on the same resolution when you were comparing?
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Note 20 Ultra has a 6.9-inch display (496 ppi) when you have the resolution at WQHD+.
Note 8 has a 6.3-inch display (521 ppi) when you have the resolution at WQHD+.
Shouldn't be able to see any difference at that PPI level.
Did you have both phones on the same resolution when you were comparing?
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Yes i did, i was thinking about the PPI, probably that is making the difference in sharpness but i am not sure about the contrast difference.
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Yes i did, i was thinking about the PPI, probably that is making the difference in sharpness but i am not sure about the contrast difference.
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Hmm. It looks pretty sharp to me in FHD+ from holding distance, WQHD+ is razor sharp. Maybe don't put the Note 8 next to it
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roryh86 said:
Hmm. It looks pretty sharp to me in FHD+ from holding distance, WQHD+ is razor sharp. Maybe don't put the Note 8 next to it
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Trust me i didnt for a whole month but then when you pay 1500+ no discounts nothing and then you see your 3 year old phone holding its own, you want to question things, dont you. BTW just for fun sake here is a shot taken at exact same moment from Note 8 and Note 20 for side by side comparison.
Spot the difference 3 Year old phone vs latest 2020 flagship
Edit- For some reason for the fs sake i am not able to rotate the other image LOL
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Trust me i didnt for a whole month but then when you pay 1500+ no discounts nothing and then you see your 3 year old phone holding its own, you want to question things, dont you. BTW just for fun sake here is a shot taken at exact same moment from Note 8 and Note 20 for side by side comparison.
Spot the difference 3 Year old phone vs latest 2020 flagship
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Cute dog! haha.
Yeah of course, you don't want to be disappointed in anything with a new phone costing 1000 pounds. I think the differences year to year are going to become smaller and smaller, and a 2 or 3 year old flagship is still going to be amazing. Photos can only become so good at a point.
I think the resolution comment though, the PPI is negligible and not worth bumping the PPI to match Note 8, that would bring the resolution over 3K and probably lead to even more battery drain. But it could be a software difference as well and things are smoother on the Note 20U.
Back when I used to flash custom roms i remember some roms would appear sharper than others, so software can have an effect.
Anyway, yeah the photos look very similar. Fur is bit sharper on the N20U. Was that night mode?
roryh86 said:
Cute dog! haha.
Yeah of course, you don't want to be disappointed in anything with a new phone costing 1000 pounds. I think the differences year to year are going to become smaller and smaller, and a 2 or 3 year old flagship is still going to be amazing. Photos can only become so good at a point.
I think the resolution comment though, the PPI is negligible and not worth bumping the PPI to match Note 8, that would bring the resolution over 3K and probably lead to even more battery drain. But it could be a software difference as well and things are smoother on the Note 20U.
Back when I used to flash custom roms i remember some roms would appear sharper than others, so software can have an effect.
Anyway, yeah the photos look very similar. Fur is bit sharper on the N20U. Was that night mode?
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The dog really appreciated the Cute dog comment and says thanks. The picture from N20U1 definitely looks sharper, no it wasnt night mode just took a quick one on auto settings. Night mode is really good and even better on the gcam (Trust me the software processing on goggle cam night mode is amazing). I will take a comparison shot tonight when i go out and post something tomorrow, where i am there is still 8 hours until i go out for that night shot.
Here's what you do if you really want to spot the difference. Activate chrome and YouTube dark mode on both the note 20 ultra and note 8. You'll see that the blacks are deeper on the note 8. The black on the note 20 ultra looks a bit yellowish in comparison. But funny enough, It only looks yellowish if you compare. If you don't compare, it'll seem just fine. That's why I've been saying it's not bad, but it's definitely not as contrasty and punchy as previous notes. But by no means is it horrible...and it's true, cute dog lol
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Here's what you do if you really want to spot the difference. Activate chrome and YouTube dark mode on both the note 20 ultra and note 8. You'll see that the blacks are deeper on the note 8. The black on the note 20 ultra looks a bit yellowish in comparison. But funny enough, It only looks yellowish if you compare. If you don't compare, it'll seem just fine. That's why I've been saying it's not bad, but it's definitely not as contrasty and punchy as previous notes. But by no means is it horrible...and it's true, cute dog lol
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True mine was a little greenish i fixed those by going to Display>>Screen Mode>> Advanced Settings>> and turned the green all the way down . Also thanks from the pooch.
warriorvibhu said:
The dog really appreciated the Cute dog comment and says thanks. The picture from N20U1 definitely looks sharper, no it wasnt night mode just took a quick one on auto settings. Night mode is really good and even better on the gcam (Trust me the software processing on goggle cam night mode is amazing). I will take a comparison shot tonight when i go out and post something tomorrow, where i am there is still 8 hours until i go out for that night shot.
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warriorvibhu said:
True mine was a little greenish i fixed those by going to Display>>Screen Mode>> Advanced Settings>> and turned the green all the way down . Also thanks from the pooch.
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Lol the pooch is welcome! :laugh: But I did the same thing as well too. Turned the green and red all the way down and the blue all the way up. It really does make a difference, but you can still see the the note 8, 9, s10 plus..etc has a deeper black. You can compare and see. Maybe Samsung needs to adjust the sRGB mode or something. Hopefully the next software may soothe this a little. Again, not a huge deal. It almost looks like blue filter on at an extremely low rate.
I have uneven brightness, specially at the bottom and right side of the screen, and banding when brightness is set to really low. Just look at it.
I've already asked for a replacement.
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What background app are you viewing that on? Mine doesn't look like that. I use dead pixel to look at how even the Whites and grays are displayed. When I turn the brightness all the way down and open an empty page in chrome's dark mode, I do notice coloration, but it's more leaning towards being even. Let us know how the return unit fairs. I've looked at 3 different models with the yellowish overtone.
Now that the embargo is up, one of the things I've found interesting from the reviews is that the 7 Pro screen resolution defaults to 1080p, and you have to go into the settings to switch it to 1440p.
Maybe Google thinks people will notice the improved battery life more than they will notice the reduced resolution.
Unless you hold the phone a few inches from your face, or you use a magnifying glass, you will NOT see any discernable difference. So it depends on what is more important to "you", longer battery life per day, or imaginary higher screen resolution?
Interesting, I didn't know that. Does that really save that much battery? The whole screen is still being used.
It's also a weird thing to do marketing wise - hey you've got a great display, but we'll show you worse quality...
What's the point of having the higher resolution if many people will never use it?
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Now that the embargo is up, one of the things I've found interesting from the reviews is that the 7 Pro screen resolution defaults to 1080p, and you have to go into the settings to switch it to 1440p.
Maybe Google thinks people will notice the improved battery life more than they will notice the reduced resolution.
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Sometimes they just make us do all the settings which are suitable for us!
mko000 said:
Interesting, I didn't know that. Does that really save that much battery? The whole screen is still being used.
It's also a weird thing to do marketing wise - hey you've got a great display, but we'll show you worse quality...
What's the point of having the higher resolution if many people will never use it?
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Some people are into specs and will buy based on that alone, whether it's the SOC, the screen resolution, the refresh rate, or the camera modules even though in real world use most of the specs make no discernable difference to 99% of end users.
Is it possible to make a Toggle to switch between 1080p and 1440p in Tasker?
I'm leaving mine at 1080p. It's plenty good. Hardly even noticable.
I cant tell a difference, well not one that makes any difference so i'll leave it at 1080p if its going to give a bit more battery life.
Has anyone done a comparison on the difference between 1080 and 1440
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Has anyone done a comparison on the difference between 1080 and 1440
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The only thing I can reliably see is when in the setting itself when you toggle between the two resolutions I notice that the clock in the notification shade will move about 1/8th inch to the left on QHD and then move back to the right on FHD. Give it a try and see.
Paz9 said:
Has anyone done a comparison on the difference between 1080 and 1440
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As I mentioned previously, I currently have an S21 ultra (snapdragon) and evaluating via this forum my buying the 7 Pro. On my S21U I have the Display Tester app (available in both free and "Pro" versions). The S21U also comes, out of the box, set to 1080P. However, when you look at 1080P using Display Tester you will see that the gamma of the display is out of wack. There the gamma is around 1.4 or so, leading to a somewhat washed out image. Setting it to WQHD+ (3200 x 1400) Gamma goes to 2.2, the accurate setting.
Interested if anybody wants to test this out on the 7P.
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As I mentioned previously, I currently have an S21 ultra (snapdragon) and evaluating via this forum my buying the 7 Pro. On my S21U I have the Display Tester app (available in both free and "Pro" versions). The S21U also comes, out of the box, set to 1080P. However, when you look at 1080P using Display Tester you will see that the gamma of the display is out of wack. There the gamma is around 1.4 or so, leading to a somewhat washed out image. Setting it to WQHD+ (3200 x 1400) Gamma goes to 2.2, the accurate setting.
Interested if anybody wants to test this out on the 7P.
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Just tested it. Same exact results you report on the S21
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As I mentioned previously, I currently have an S21 ultra (snapdragon) and evaluating via this forum my buying the 7 Pro. On my S21U I have the Display Tester app (available in both free and "Pro" versions). The S21U also comes, out of the box, set to 1080P. However, when you look at 1080P using Display Tester you will see that the gamma of the display is out of wack. There the gamma is around 1.4 or so, leading to a somewhat washed out image. Setting it to WQHD+ (3200 x 1400) Gamma goes to 2.2, the accurate setting.
Interested if anybody wants to test this out on the 7P.
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What's the main issue with this?
Paz9 said:
What's the main issue with this?
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According to my (possibly fallible eyes), it’s 1.4 @ 1080 and between 2.2 and 2.3 at 1440.
RebDovid said:
According to my (possibly fallible eyes), it’s 1.4 @ 1080 and between 2.2 and 2.3 at 1440.
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How is that a bad thing exactly?
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How is that a bad thing exactly?
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Here are a couple of links which explain Gamma and why it is important:
The Main Reason Monitor Calibration Is Essential
Gamma is used in digital photography to determine the image's brightness and is important to understand.
www.lifewire.com
The importance of gamma
"Gamma" has to do with how a display translates input signal levels into the intensity of output light. We show you how to understand the relationship.
www.androidauthority.com
This should be tested in both 60hz and Adaptive/120hz mode as the calibration between different refreshrates can differ.