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Are smart phones going down in price faster than they did a couple of years ago?
I can buy a samsung s2 for $540 on amazon.com when it's on sale. The s2 is not even a year old, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm pretty sure when the HTC HD2 was released, it took alot longer to go down in price.
And some people are saying they bought the samsung galaxy note for $700 - 760, even before it was officially released.
So following this trend, can we expect to have top of the line quality smartphones for $300 or less within 5 years?
They go down faster in price now because they are releasing more faster.
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Way too much and too fast
Slow it down htc
In a few years, I can see $300 models being more than enough for most people. They will still sell top of the line models for $700-800, but fewer people will buy them.
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Are smart phones going down in price faster than they did a couple of years ago?
I can buy a samsung s2 for $540 on amazon.com when it's on sale. The s2 is not even a year old, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm pretty sure when the HTC HD2 was released, it took alot longer to go down in price.
And some people are saying they bought the samsung galaxy note for $700 - 760, even before it was officially released.
So following this trend, can we expect to have top of the line quality smartphones for $300 or less within 5 years?
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The S2 is actually *months* old and you can find it at about 410€ on many sites. Anyway, i really don't uderstand why people complain about this: it's a phone, not a share, the least it costs the better. Does it make sense that the totally outdated iPhone4 still costs 700€? How is that good for you unless you wanna sell it? If you want bleeding edge technology then you have to live with the fact that your toy will have its price dropped soon, regardless what you paid for it. Imho phones are meant to be used, and not to be sold, so i'm really happy about what's going on on the android platform. As a power user i care about my SPECS not being reasonably up to date, the price doesn't really matter to me anyway. To make it clearer: i don't upgrade my GPU every time a new one comes out just for the sake of being up to date, i do that when my rig can't stand the current games or a particular game i wanna play anymore, and when i do i'm happy if i can find one at a lower price.
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The S2 is actually *months* old and you can find it at about 410€ on many sites. Anyway, i really don't uderstand why people complain about this: it's a phone, not a share, the least it costs the better. Does it make sense that the totally outdated iPhone4 still costs 700€? How is that good for you unless you wanna sell it? If you want bleeding edge technology then you have to live with the fact that your toy will have its price dropped soon, regardless what you paid for it. Imho phones are meant to be used, and not to be sold, so i'm really happy about what's going on on the android platform. As a power user i care about my SPECS not being reasonably up to date, the price doesn't really matter to me anyway. To make it clearer: i don't upgrade my GPU every time a new ones comes out just for the sake of being up to date, i do that when my rig can't stand the current games or a particular game i wanna play anymore, and when i do i'm happy if i can find one at a lower price.
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Totally agree. Anyway you should consider that a trend is a trend. No matter what. Stupid people will pay a lot of €uros just to get themselves realized and soccially accepted. Silly ones.
But its not nice for the people which bought the phones early... and sometimes even are early adopters or better beta testers...
Yeah i bought mine early and now its way cheaper haha next time i know to just wait
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Yeah i bought mine early and now its way cheaper haha next time i know to just wait
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That's the point: complaining makes no sense at all...once you understand that androids aren't the kind of phones (especially Samsung ones) to buy on the day they are released you're just fine. I waited a few months before getting my GS2, so i was able to find it at the price of 490€ in August. All in all it was a good bang for the buck i think: i don't care if we get quadcores in 2012, i wanna enjoy my phone NOW, whatever i choose, and possibly at a reasonable price.
With more competition, Android ICS on the horizon and more frequent releases prices will continue to go down.
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That's the point: complaining makes no sense at all...once you understand that androids aren't the kind of phones (especially Samsung ones) to buy on the day they are released you're just fine. I waited a few months before getting my GS2, so i was able to find it at the price of 490€ in August. All in all it was a good bang for the buck i think: i don't care if we get quadcores in 2012, i wanna enjoy my phone NOW, whatever i choose, and possibly at a reasonable price.
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wow, are people really complaining? This is a really exciting time for phonophiles!
Always an exciting new phone on the horizon. And the prices keep on dropping faster and faster. I have my eye on the Galaxy Note right now. And I know if I can wait a couple of months, the price will drop drastically, and there will probably be an even better phone released by then. And so many accessories to go with each phone!!
Now that i have a decent phone in the share of a galaxy s2 i know that i would not be in too much of a rush for a phone upgrade time. Before i had a wildfire which i hated so wasn't wanting to wait too long for a phone and my upgrade was due at release.
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i want to but a one x but i was wondering about the price drop for the mobile will it go to lower than 600$ after the SG3 is uncovered
and i would like to know if the video recording issue of 23 frame rate is a software or hardware related issue
I don't see the price dropping on the HTC unless the SG3 is ridiculously nice.
It's pointless to speculate when we don't even know the release date of the SG3.
i think the SG3 is on 3 may i dont think there will be much different between the two devices except the SG3 will have a better battery and better graphics and a micro sd while the design will be cheap looking as usual
i don't think that price go down so fast
but i hope it.
It really depends, actually. I know where I lived, the Nexus's price went down in about a month.. but that was with a different carrier. As one lead, the others eventually followed. I guess it just depends on timing.
I say sgs2 for right now and wait for stable roms to come out for the sg3
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How about a price drop on the Galaxy Note? Am looking to buy a phone off contract, and $650 for the Note is a bit steep.
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How about a price drop on the Galaxy Note? Am looking to buy a phone off contract, and $650 for the Note is a bit steep.
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I could see this dropping maybe $50-$100 when the SG3 is actually released, the unveiling is May 3rd. As for the HTC One-X I dont see that dropping in price until HTC released a couple other phones later in the year.
I know all the tech sites and forums and whatnot always rave about the newest flagship device and seem to ignore even well specced budget phones, especially region or carrier specific ones. I am on T-mobile but am constantly checking out the new phones available on AT&T since T-mobile phones suck in general. There are some amazing budget phones that are almost as well specced and even better built, costing half the price, with 1/100 the publicity. Earlier in the year I bought a Pantech burst for one of my relatives. It only cost $200 on eBay. It was super smooth and fast, and the AMOLED screen made it pop. I was always playing with it and comparing it to my $450 HTC One X. The One X was actually slower, and the screen didn't feel as resilient. The camera was much better, but besides that, I couldn't really find any reason to justify the 2x++ cost.
Today I went to go play with more phones. AT&T has two new budget phones. The LG Escape and the Pantech Flex. They are both running a dual-core S4 and lightly skinned and super fast. Both have qHD displays at 4.3" with top tier IPS and AMOLED displays. At that screen size, 720p wouldn't have made much a difference for me or most people, and it's a perfect hand-holding size. I find it just as usable as the 4.8" S III, and even easier and faster than the cumbersome 5.3" Note I am currently rocking. The cameras are only marginally worse than top flagship phones, and they come with NFC and even big batteries. The LG Escape is a standout with 2150mah battery and a really great feeling curved and thin build that's grippy and rather seamess and unbroken. The petite size with very narrow bezels also makes it stand out. LTE is a given. Both devices are literally brand new just came out and you can easily find them on eBay for $250. I'm really digging the LG Escape and get more and more annoyed thinking about the $520 I dropped a couple months ago to get the international Galaxy Note in my pocket that is slow and clunky and big. And no it's not about price depreciation and tech obsolescence. The Note still costs $520 even today, and most flagship phones of yesteryear are still expensive on eBay.
Last year the difference between high-end and budget was more dramatic since the cameras were way better on the high-end side and you got dual-core instead of single core. The screens were also terrible with WVGA and poor viewing angles and colors. This year is very different. Budget phones have the same blazing S4 krait processor that the high-end has, with all the same NFC, GPS, bluetooth, and everything else under the sun. The cameras have not improved much at the high-end whereas the lower-end has caught up and is nipping at their heels. Build quality is even better on the low-end in many cases (cough S III cough), and they always have removable batteries and microSD slots to expand their pitiful 4GB of memory. In a month, the LG Escape and Pantech Flex will probably drop to $200. The S III and One X are both still super expensive. This year at least, the tortoise has caught up to the hare, and budget-conscious consumers should be aware how great the lower end offerings are this year, and not be afraid to save a ton of money. It's not every year the fastest processor available becomes commoditized for budget phones and carriers are forcing LTE and big batteries into everything from low to high.
This is true. Just look at the Droid RAZR M and Atrix HD and HTC One XL. All $100 on contract
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I noticed too, now it's making purchasing decisions harder.
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This is true. Just look at the Droid RAZR M and Atrix HD and HTC One XL. All $100 on contract
EDIT: I noticed you said the HTC One X is super expensive. This is not quite true, as I stated above, is priced at a budget level. It's also only $20 on contract through Amazon Wireless
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I work at at&t and no way the one x is slower benchmarks are wayyy faster on oneX but ya At&t doesbt have any bad phones out really they are all cool in their own way
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I work at at&t and no way the one x is slower benchmarks are wayyy faster on oneX but ya At&t doesbt have any bad phones out really they are all cool in their own way
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NO WAY!
Well howdy Kflan22
I recently bought a brand dual core phone, with 4.3" ips screen, 1gb RAM ! 540x960 resolution and so on for 191 USD. And running so smooth.
It's a ZTE V970...not bad at all.
Yeah the Droid Razr M is a phone I'd buy! If it wasn't on Verizon...
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I work at at&t and no way the one x is slower benchmarks are wayyy faster on oneX but ya At&t doesbt have any bad phones out really they are all cool in their own way
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Wasn't really talking about benchmarks. Just general UI smoothness. The Burst felt a lot smoother, even within apps.
I'm basing these on eBay prices. Why would you want to lock yourself to a contract when you can save so much on monthly fees with a no-contract plan? I don't really pay attention to those Amazon Wireless or Best Buy or special sales because they all have a catch, and you usually have to be a new customer for the best deals.
The One X is still a good $350 for a new one on eBay.
I would not consider the Razr M a budget phone. It doesn't fall under $200. In fact, it's like over $450 on eBay. You could buy it on contract for $100, but the same goes for a lot of other flagship phones. The contract price usually doesn't correlate directly with the second-hand market price, so even if the Razr M dropped to free on contract, it would still be $400+. It only goes down over time. It's strange because if a phone is perceived as a budget phone like the Flex or the Escape, even if it has a $400+ MSRP, it will be a paltry $200 or less from the get go on eBay. It's all perception, even though the MSRP is probably right and the difference between the budget and flagship phone is really only $100-150 to buy retail as well as wholesale, people think they gotta price it way low since its budget.
It's kind of amazing how something like the Atrix HD, which is even faster/bigger/better than the original Razr on Verizon, is priced lower at around $300 new. The old Razr still commands $350+ for a new one. The Razr M still has qHD and the same internals as the Atrix HD but is a good $150 more. Yeah these are all eBay prices. Since the Atrix HD was launched as a budget $99 phone, even though the MSRP is probably only $100 difference at most from both old and new flagship phones, people will sell it much lower. Ditto for other budget phones that have an even bigger price disparity and sell for under $200.
It sucks if you have a budget phone and want to sell it used and get the most out of what the claimed MSRP is, but find out it sells for less than half that new and even less used. The on-contract price you paid is not a good measure of the phone's wholesale value the carrier paid since whether free or up to $200, the expensive contract plans make up for the difference and then some. That's how they can afford to drop everything to a penny on sale days, although they would of course love you to get the crappiest cheapest smartphone anyway. If you plan on buying these budget phones of course from eBay, and their perceived value drops them like a stone, it's a steal.
This minor difference between budget and high-end is gonna get much worse with Windows 8. They are all literally 1.5Ghz S4 Krait with 1GB RAM. Will a slightly better camera and a slightly bigger size/resolution screen really justify the over 2x price premium for a flagship?
we'll see
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Yeah the Droid Razr M is a phone I'd buy! If it wasn't on Verizon...
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dang them verison, built in sims...
You get what you pay for.
I think a good budget phone with good specs as far as i search, sony experia tipo. Try to check it out in the web.
Definitely better if "budget" phones are simply last gen flagships. It would make for much better compatibility down the road.
That LG looks nice but I have a couple of friends LG phones and they have a lot of little issues so I'm a little gun shy of them right now.
I think we're starting to hit a sweet spot for phone tech. Jelly Bean runs great on a dual core phone with 1 gig so you don't need new tech for a nice phone.
I totally agree, just seeing the Galaxy S III on MetroPCS is pretty amazing. I know its kind of off topic, but it still surprises me.
i think a phone with s4 cpu and 1 gb of ram do the job for a year or two ...
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i think a phone with s4 cpu and 1 gb of ram do the job for a year or two ...
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It depends on the user. Not everyone would afford or even like to change phone after a year or two..
I have been looking at some of the Pantech phones as well. I havent pulled the trigger because I havent found much information on durability and reliability.
well for me i always prefer budget phones in general .. i don't like to spend much money on a phone that i could whack or loss any moment...
OK, So I'm a loyal Nexus user, but I felt comfortable with my Nexus 4 so I decided not to upgrade at first. We're now into March, which means we're less than 12 months away from the Nexus 6, so is now the wrong time upgrade to the Nexus 5? There's been no discounts for the Nexus 5 yet so it's not as if I'd be saving money and with the rumours than the Nexus 6 will use an octa core, that could literally render the Nexus 5 worthless to many.
What do you think?
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rumours that the Nexus 6 will use an octa core, that could literally render the Nexus 5 worthless to many.
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well that's not true. just because it has more cores doesn't necessarily mean much (+ it's a rumour) - definitely considering how much of a powerhouse the N5 is.
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That's a decision you have to make on your own man. In today's technologically driven world, that new, better, faster, sleeker device is always going to be "just around the corner." For me, the Nexus 5 is the best phone I have ever used. Have you seen the development forums (we have TWO by the way!!!! lol), there's enough ROMS for you to flash and play with for well over a year lol. If you feel you've outgrown the Nexus 4 and want something better, then go ahead and pickup the N5. If you're content with your N4 then I guess go ahead and wait..
Yeah, cause when a new phone comes out, your old one just stops working and gets useless
To be honost, i dont think any processor in the next 2 years will be much better than the one in the nexus 5. Its already powerful enough as it is.
I'd wait for the 6 personally. Only because its not much of a jump for me, 4 to 5.... same as s3 to s4 or HTC one to one 2...
Not jump enough to be out of pocket
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Depends on how much you can get for the n4 to me! Just got my nexus 5 and its whole lot better this time around(last one I had had that yellowish tint) I think is it especially if you live in a area that will get you lte speeds
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I would wait until either the Nexus 6 or the Nexus 5 is reduced in price. Google obviously reduced the Nexus 4 quite heavily at the end of its life-cycle and I would imagine they will do the same in the not so near future.
I purchased my N5 on Amazon. Brand new, I paid a total of $37.09 USD. I was eligible for my two year upgrade through Sprint. I'm not sure which carrier you have but I would say it's definitely worth checking out. Also check wirefly.
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Get the N5 now, sell the N4, then later get the N6 and sell the N5........
Waiting for a price cut from Google won't make sense in your case since what you care is being up to date. Why wait for a price cut if by then, the N6 will be 2-4 moths away and you will be in the same situation as right now (should I buy the 6 or wait for the 16 cores nexus phone 7:laugh
As galaxys said, sell N4 now and get the 5.
Or don't get the 5 at all because the Nexus 4 performs well on 4.4. and wait for the 6.
If you want a phone now, get the n5.
How much faster can any phone really get at this point? The n6 may get bigger benchmarks, but in the real world, where most of us live....how much quicker will it really seem in day to day use? For what you can reasonably do on a cell phone....I think "speed" has been about maxed. All phone companies can do now is work on other things. Battery life, cameras...etc....
I suppose the battery, camera and maybe storage might be slightly better on the N6...but for me, the n5 more than meets my needs for all those.
To each his own tho.
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Wait for the Nexus 6. The reason I got the nexus 5 was because I came from the Nexus S. It's a 3 generation upgrade for me
Do what @galaxys said.
the n6 will probably be out by the end of this year if not then at the beginning of 2015
Imo the N5 is overall a better device than the N4; better cpu, gpu, speaker and a gorgeous screen. I wouldn`t want to have missed it personaly. We`ll see what the N6 will bring in about 8-9 months
Interesting juxtaposition of opinions here, some people saying get the N5 others saying wait for N6. I think I might just go for the N5 and sell this one to my old man, after all, by the time the N6 comes out, the N4 will be two generations behind. I think the biggest thing I miss right now is 4G. I don't get it where I live, but I do get it where I work, well, I could, but I don't because I'm on an N4. Currently, the N4's still sell for up to £170 (16gb of course) depending on condition and age. That's going to drop significantly when the N6 comes out. Mine's a minter, always kept in a case, always had a screen protector, and is only a few months old as I had to return my last one under warranty due to a faulty screen, so he's said he's willing to pay £170. Plus, keeping it in the family means he can still enjoy the warranty protection and I can always sell my mums phone and get a few more quid, as she'll no doubt get my dads S2 (which is still a damn good phone).
From all the speculation, there's very little I can see on the N6 that is actually that attractive. Octa core I get that, but fingerprint unlock? Meh. It's not as though Apple's has set the world alight. What I will say is that from now on, if I see a Nexus device and decide that's a good option, I will buy it, as opposed to wait like I did with the N5.
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same as s3 to s4
Not jump enough to be out of pocket
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How is it not a big jump? The s3 had a 1.5ghz dual core cpu and 1gb ram, and the s4 sports a 1.9ghz quad, with 2 ram (not to mention the 108 19th resolution display)
The jump from s3 to s4 was pretty significant if you ask me.
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How is it not a big jump? The s3 had a 1.5ghz dual core cpu and 1gb ram, and the s4 sports a 1.9ghz quad, with 2 ram (not to mention the 108 19th resolution display)
The jump from s3 to s4 was pretty significant if you ask me.
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I just don't see it as enough of a jump to be worth losing money on.
If I am in a contract where I am paying £35 a month for SIM and handset, for 24 months and after 12 months, I want the S4, I have to sell the S3 for half of the cost of the S4, find the other half the cost of the S4 AND still pay the £20 of the £35 a month for the S3 that I no longer own, I don't see the S4 being "worth it". Does it represent that much of an improvement? I don't think so.
It's purely subjective.
Slightly unrelated but it doesn't matter what hardware Samsung put in their devices, they all lag just as much
I've just upgraded from a nexus 4 also. The 4 had tons of life but no LTE. I will keep this for two years. With a decent kernel it's one hell of a phone I'm proud to have
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I just don't see it as enough of a jump to be worth losing money on.
If I am in a contract where I am paying £35 a month for SIM and handset, for 24 months and after 12 months, I want the S4, I have to sell the S3 for half of the cost of the S4, find the other half the cost of the S4 AND still pay the £20 of the £35 a month for the S3 that I no longer own, I don't see the S4 being "worth it". Does it represent that much of an improvement? I don't think so.
It's purely subjective.
Slightly unrelated but it doesn't matter what hardware Samsung put in their devices, they all lag just as much
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Yup ....I'm done with Samsung. Touchwiz is horrible and it takes a lot of work to make them smooth and lag free. I'm doubting roots future on new ones also. No root on a Samsung would be a nightmare. Lol
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Why is OnePlus using this invite system? I honestly don't see the logic behind deliberately limiting the amount of people that can give OnePlus money. Also, is this invite system going eventually go away and open the phone to the public or will it forever be an invite-only phone?
Probably because the supply cannot meet its demand. So they have a invite system to cause hype, free marketing until they their supply can meet the demand. Plus at the price of $349, they aren't making much profit on the phone.
But I agree, get rid of the invite system and get the phone in people's hands before the specs become outdated to other flagship devices. They're here making customizable covers and whatnot, who cares.. just get the phone out to meet its demand.
The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.
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The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.
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I doubt the OPO will be "dead meat." There is no serious next gen hardware unless it ships with Snapdragon 805.
OPO will still be a good phone regardless and its hard to pack that much in a $349 phone especially coming from a popular manufacturer such as LG/Samsung/HTC. OPO will have Android "L" regardless.
Obvious troll is obvious.
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The OPO is dead meat once the Nexus 6 comes out in 2 to 3 months.
The Nexus 6 will cost around $349, have newer next gen hardware, and come with Android 'L' out of the box. And with the Nexus 6, you will be able to actually, really purchase the phone, for real.
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Have you ever tried to buy a Nexus phone on release?...
Plus I doubt that Nexus 6 will have 805...
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Have you ever tried to buy a Nexus phone on release?...
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Yes. I have owned the first four Nexus phones, and all but the Nexus 4 were easy and fast to get. I got the Nexus-One the first week it came out, I got the Nexus-S at T-Mobile Best Buy the morning it was released immediately, I ordered the Galaxy Nexus online the 2nd week it was out, and got it the week after, and the Nexus 4 was a pain, was sold out the first two months, and was impossible to find, but by the third month they had better stock and I got one. I did not get the Nexus 5, because the crappy battery life, and I was pissed Google didn't keep the 3,000mAh battery from the G2 which the phone was based off.
My point being, all those Nexus phones were fast and easy to get, except the Nexus 4, but that was turned around by the third month. Where as the OnePlus One has been out for 3 months now, and still impossible to find, and the phone is still not available for purchase, you need this ridiculous "invite" which just blows my mind away any sane company would try to market a product this way. How bout make a website with a purchase button and shipping date, and let me buy it and get it 3 days later, not wait for some stupid invite, that just turns me away.
OPO really screwed up here, or purposely fooled everyone, not sure which is true ? How could they not know a phone with $700 flagship specs, but only selling for half that at $350 wouldn't be a smashing hit, and very hot seller ? They should have been more prepared, at least expecting this OPO to sell like a Nexus phone, quantity wise. I think they had 120,000 forum members at launch, that were all wiling to buy the phone, but only originally released like 5,000 phones at launch, and then like 7,000 later, and several thousand more, but WTF that's extremely low quantities, a joke actually.
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I bet it does.
Everyone says this every year about the upcoming Nexus, no way it will have flagship hardware at the cheap price they sell the Nexus phones. But every year it does.
Last year everyone expected the Nexus 5 to have the Snapdragon 600, to match the then flagships; Galaxy S4 and HTC One M7, but the Nexus 5 came with the brand new next gen Snapdragon 800, besting those two flagships, and still selling for half their price.
My prediction for the Nexus 6;
- Announced in October / released in November
- Price of $400
- Snapdragon 805
- 3GB RAM
- 2600mAh - 2900mAh battery
- 5.2" to 5.5" Screen
- Maybe a 1440p screen, but most likely 1080p
- Made by either; Asus, HTC, or Sony