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Are smart phones going down in price faster than they did a couple of years ago?
I can buy a samsung s2 for $540 on amazon.com when it's on sale. The s2 is not even a year old, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm pretty sure when the HTC HD2 was released, it took alot longer to go down in price.
And some people are saying they bought the samsung galaxy note for $700 - 760, even before it was officially released.
So following this trend, can we expect to have top of the line quality smartphones for $300 or less within 5 years?
They go down faster in price now because they are releasing more faster.
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Way too much and too fast
Slow it down htc
In a few years, I can see $300 models being more than enough for most people. They will still sell top of the line models for $700-800, but fewer people will buy them.
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Are smart phones going down in price faster than they did a couple of years ago?
I can buy a samsung s2 for $540 on amazon.com when it's on sale. The s2 is not even a year old, if I'm not mistaken.
I'm pretty sure when the HTC HD2 was released, it took alot longer to go down in price.
And some people are saying they bought the samsung galaxy note for $700 - 760, even before it was officially released.
So following this trend, can we expect to have top of the line quality smartphones for $300 or less within 5 years?
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The S2 is actually *months* old and you can find it at about 410€ on many sites. Anyway, i really don't uderstand why people complain about this: it's a phone, not a share, the least it costs the better. Does it make sense that the totally outdated iPhone4 still costs 700€? How is that good for you unless you wanna sell it? If you want bleeding edge technology then you have to live with the fact that your toy will have its price dropped soon, regardless what you paid for it. Imho phones are meant to be used, and not to be sold, so i'm really happy about what's going on on the android platform. As a power user i care about my SPECS not being reasonably up to date, the price doesn't really matter to me anyway. To make it clearer: i don't upgrade my GPU every time a new one comes out just for the sake of being up to date, i do that when my rig can't stand the current games or a particular game i wanna play anymore, and when i do i'm happy if i can find one at a lower price.
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The S2 is actually *months* old and you can find it at about 410€ on many sites. Anyway, i really don't uderstand why people complain about this: it's a phone, not a share, the least it costs the better. Does it make sense that the totally outdated iPhone4 still costs 700€? How is that good for you unless you wanna sell it? If you want bleeding edge technology then you have to live with the fact that your toy will have its price dropped soon, regardless what you paid for it. Imho phones are meant to be used, and not to be sold, so i'm really happy about what's going on on the android platform. As a power user i care about my SPECS not being reasonably up to date, the price doesn't really matter to me anyway. To make it clearer: i don't upgrade my GPU every time a new ones comes out just for the sake of being up to date, i do that when my rig can't stand the current games or a particular game i wanna play anymore, and when i do i'm happy if i can find one at a lower price.
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Totally agree. Anyway you should consider that a trend is a trend. No matter what. Stupid people will pay a lot of €uros just to get themselves realized and soccially accepted. Silly ones.
But its not nice for the people which bought the phones early... and sometimes even are early adopters or better beta testers...
Yeah i bought mine early and now its way cheaper haha next time i know to just wait
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Yeah i bought mine early and now its way cheaper haha next time i know to just wait
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That's the point: complaining makes no sense at all...once you understand that androids aren't the kind of phones (especially Samsung ones) to buy on the day they are released you're just fine. I waited a few months before getting my GS2, so i was able to find it at the price of 490€ in August. All in all it was a good bang for the buck i think: i don't care if we get quadcores in 2012, i wanna enjoy my phone NOW, whatever i choose, and possibly at a reasonable price.
With more competition, Android ICS on the horizon and more frequent releases prices will continue to go down.
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That's the point: complaining makes no sense at all...once you understand that androids aren't the kind of phones (especially Samsung ones) to buy on the day they are released you're just fine. I waited a few months before getting my GS2, so i was able to find it at the price of 490€ in August. All in all it was a good bang for the buck i think: i don't care if we get quadcores in 2012, i wanna enjoy my phone NOW, whatever i choose, and possibly at a reasonable price.
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wow, are people really complaining? This is a really exciting time for phonophiles!
Always an exciting new phone on the horizon. And the prices keep on dropping faster and faster. I have my eye on the Galaxy Note right now. And I know if I can wait a couple of months, the price will drop drastically, and there will probably be an even better phone released by then. And so many accessories to go with each phone!!
Now that i have a decent phone in the share of a galaxy s2 i know that i would not be in too much of a rush for a phone upgrade time. Before i had a wildfire which i hated so wasn't wanting to wait too long for a phone and my upgrade was due at release.
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Some rumors place the price at around $200-$230 for T-Mobile. Considering I got the Sensation 4G for free a few days ago (and S-offed/installed ICS), I am trying to decide if it will be worth returning it and getting the One S for $200 within my 30 day return window...
As far as I can tell, the benefits over a S-off Sensation would be:
(1) SAMOLED screen
(2) Faster processor - S4 @ 1.5Ghz > S3 @ 1.5Ghz
(3) 42Mbps Internet
(4) Thinner
These things worth $200 more...?
Downsides:
(1) No removable battery
(2) Non-expandable 16GB storage
It seems like we can't get the Micro-arc oxidation version till June, and that is past my return window. I can also get Sense 4.0 on my Sensation, but thats not a big selling point for me anyway.
My girlfriend has the Sensation XE and its a nice phone, has the beats audio headphones if your into that which are worth £80 in the UK. It is a fair bit fatter and the screen doesn't seem as nice. I'm sure you can flash it to sense 4 as well.
To be honest the deciding factor is what you'll be using the phone for?
Will you be doing anything on it that will really push the more powerful processor? Does the form factor bother you?
How about camera? Thats better also.
I love new tech so i'd say yes go for it. Others who wont see the benefit of the new toys i'd say possibly not.
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I love new tech so i'd say yes go for it. Others who wont see the benefit of the new toys i'd say possibly not.
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This. And the One S looks waaay better ^^
The One S is a slight upgrade over the Sensation. If you can get it for 200.00 on contract I think it would be worth it.
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I'm usually not hunting for the latest and greatest, so if I pay $200-230 on contract (which is high-end as far as contract prices go), I expect a phone with almost every new feature. If the One S had a 720p screen and NFC and perhaps expandable (or more) memory, I could see it. Sure there are trade-offs with thinness and the like, but if I pay that much, I would want the factors most important to me to be considered. After a certain thinness I don't care much more. 10-11mm is plenty thin. Hell, make the One S thicker and give me more battery life any day (a la Droid RAZR MAXX).
I think I've decided for me (since I'm not a tech junkie) the $200 premium won't be worth it. If my phone is free (like my current Sensation) I can forgive it for lack of 42Mbps speeds and the occasional slow down.
Now if the One S goes on sale or has a rebate bringing it $100-120...
Maybe I'm just cheap, or don't put much value in the latest gadgets
P.S. Apparently Costco will give me 90 days to exchange my phone! Might be a chance of a sale on the One S within 90 days. Hell, the black MAO'zed version may even come out by then.
Hey guys, i really love the one s, i wanna get it so bad but then there's all these other phones that are cheaper, have more features, just lower build quality (which might be a big deal) So what would be better, to wait for the one S till they lower the price a little or go with an Xperia s or Galaxy Nexus? i currently have an htc sensation and the battery life on it is killing me so that's crucial too!
I had the Xperia S and it was the worst phone I have ever had the misfortune of using. Terrible Battery life, unresponsive buttons, out of date OS and really clunky.
The One S is a far superior phone imo, however I'm going through a exchange due to MAO, apart from that it is a wonderful piece of kit.
Make sure to read up on GN screen. I hear (and seen) they have lots of bad ones.
i yesterday exchanged my gnex for a one s.
i just can say that the one s feels much much better in hands the only problem is that the resolution isn't really high you can see the pixels if you are looking closely.
thats the only "issue" but i would go with the one s.
although now that Gnex is $400 bucks.....it might be a good choice
I'm thinking about just buying a one s and selling it and getting the nexus to make money lol
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I had the Xperia S and it was the worst phone I have ever had the misfortune of using. Terrible Battery life, unresponsive buttons, out of date OS and really clunky.
The One S is a far superior phone imo, however I'm going through a exchange due to MAO, apart from that it is a wonderful piece of kit.
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Wow, that's a relief cause I honestly thought about getting that over the one s
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although now that Gnex is $400 bucks.....it might be a good choice
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Yea I heard about the screen issues on some of them and the $400 price tag was the only reason I considered that over the one s
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Here is a vid on One S vs Nexus. Colors on Nexus look too cool. I prefer warm.
and here by the way you can clearly see that One X display is better then One S
another in depth review but not in English
Get a sgs3
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I'm thinking about just buying a one s and selling it and getting the nexus to make money lol
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Haha I am in a similar situation. I am eligible for an upgrade on T-Mobile but I have a fairly new GSM Galaxy Nexus that I received through work, which I absolutely love.
I'm juggling around the idea of using my upgrade to buy the One S to turn around sell it for a profit. I just can't decide if it's worth using my upgrade on since the Galaxy S3 is right around the corner...
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Here is a vid on One S vs Nexus. Colors on Nexus look too cool. I prefer warm.
and here by the way you can clearly see that One X display is better then One S
another in depth review but not in English
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wow, that was helpful thanks!
I ended up ordering One S today for $260 w/tax + shipping + activation fee (no $50 rebate here, I think with rebate it would have been $10 bucks less but have to wait a few months). I will also get $100 rebate back, so end price will be $160 (buy new 4g phone send them ****ty Shadow II and get that $100 rebate....that phone worth nothing lol...i am still gonna sell MyTouch 4G for $200-250 to another country). I also got $80 account credit few days ago....so if you count that in, phone was $80 bucks w/2 year contract.
I really liked the phone in store. Built quality is REALLY good. Nexus One and now this phone are the ONLY 2 phone that you just wanna carry without any case....its just so good.... I dont think none-HD or pentile display is an issue here. My BIGGEST concern is the development. Will play with phone a bit when I get it, maybe sell it for $400-450 or whatever it goes for and buy Galaxy Nexus.
Have to give Sense 4 at least a day to see if its any good....
oh and I have to play around with Bluetooth 4, I hear it has problems with some devices. If its not working for me then I am ordering Nexus for sure ASAP. Bluetooth is something I use almost everyday to stream music to car. < radio, CDs, and even media storage....those days are over for me Pandora and Tune-In Radio + 5GB data plan !
Will also check out Nexus tomorrow at Verizon to remind myself what it looks like I was dying to get that phone at release date but now its not as sexy anymore.....
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ps Nexus wins in 3 things: development, 720p display, and NFC. Everything else goes to One S
I wish One S had GLONASS in addition to GPS. HTC hasn't joined that camp yet. Does any HTC phone have NFC?
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I wish One S had GLONASS in addition to GPS. HTC hasn't joined that camp yet. Does any HTC phone have NFC?
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It actually is supporting GLONASS, at least there are people who tested it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1583185
kolyan said:
I ended up ordering One S today for $260 w/tax + shipping + activation fee (no $50 rebate here, I think with rebate it would have been $10 bucks less but have to wait a few months). I will also get $100 rebate back, so end price will be $160 (buy new 4g phone send them ****ty Shadow II and get that $100 rebate....that phone worth nothing lol...i am still gonna sell MyTouch 4G for $200-250 to another country). I also got $80 account credit few days ago....so if you count that in, phone was $80 bucks w/2 year contract.
I really liked the phone in store. Built quality is REALLY good. Nexus One and now this phone are the ONLY 2 phone that you just wanna carry without any case....its just so good.... I dont think none-HD or pentile display is an issue here. My BIGGEST concern is the development. Will play with phone a bit when I get it, maybe sell it for $400-450 or whatever it goes for and buy Galaxy Nexus.
Have to give Sense 4 at least a day to see if its any good....
oh and I have to play around with Bluetooth 4, I hear it has problems with some devices. If its not working for me then I am ordering Nexus for sure ASAP. Bluetooth is something I use almost everyday to stream music to car. < radio, CDs, and even media storage....those days are over for me Pandora and Tune-In Radio + 5GB data plan !
Will also check out Nexus tomorrow at Verizon to remind myself what it looks like I was dying to get that phone at release date but now its not as sexy anymore.....
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ps Nexus wins in 3 things: development, 720p display, and NFC. Everything else goes to One S
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if you sell the one s, you will be making money if you buy the nexus off expansys cause its only like $450 i think considering all its features and that its the GSM version, so you wont have to make a contract with verizon. i was thinking about getting it too! still undecided though.
Checked out Nexus today....and frankly speaking One S is a better over all phone. Its much thinner, you dont even feel it in pocket, its much better made due to AL body, they have the same 4.3'' usable screen too.
now the screen on Nexus phones i checked out in Verizon, one had burn-in, and 2nd one was a bit off white compared to One S. The 720p resolution is there, but colors on One S seemed better. I also haven't really noticed anything different when watching Youtube or viewing web.
So in the end it all comes out to development and ROM, do you want CM9 or AOKP on Nexus or Sense 4 on One S (maybe later it will get those 2 ROMs as well)
Right now, I am keeping One S
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Does any HTC phone have NFC?
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I know that the Amaze 4G and the One X do have NFC. There might be more, but I'm sure about those two.
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Wow, that's a relief cause I honestly thought about getting that over the one s
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I have the xperia s I think its agrwat phone. Didn't have problems with buttons mine were responsive camera amazing. One s too. I mean the one s a better looking and faster phone than the xperia s. And xs still no ics. Wtf.
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Sold One S and bought Nexus......Nexus getting exchanged now because screen is just horrible compared to One S. I dont know what the deal is but Nexus has had screen issues ever since November release.....its ridiculous....i just have NO words (Nexus One had serious issues, dont know about Nexus S, and now Galaxy Nexus again....) I read people exchange 5+ phones in order to get decent quality screen.
that said, One S screen had zero issues and for that reason looked much better. But despite the excellent design and quality of One S, Nexus feels better in hand, but One S feels better in pocket because its thinner
I would NOT purchase a used Nexus without warranty ! I am gonna milk Google till they ship me what I bought, a phone without any issues. Thank God for their over night free shipping....
I noticed the current Galaxy Nexus is 350$ which is a *great* deal on a fairly recent no contract device. (Was 400$)
The Nexus 7 is 200$ base price.
So, I am wondering if maybe the next generation of Nexus phone(s) could possibly launch in the 200-300$ range. While I may just be a little to hopeful, it doesn't seem like the antenna should jump the cost of a device that drastically.
So, what does XDA think? Would a sub 400$ phone have enough quality at launch? Or would they have to cut to many corners to make a device worthy of the "Nexus" name for phones? I would gladly pay an extra 150$ ish (around 350$ total) if it mean avoiding using an upgrade and getting locked back into a contract while getting relatively high end specs that (should) stay up to date for at least 2 years. Plus I would get to straight up bypass the manufacturers while getting almost guaranteed dev support.
It took almost a year for the gnex to reach that price, so yeah almost a year after the next nexus launcher, you will probably see a substantial price decrease.
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It took almost a year for the gnex to reach that price, so yeah almost a year after the next nexus launcher, you will probably see a substantial price decrease.
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Pretty good point.
I was more thinking about the nexus 7 launching with a tegra 3 and 1 gig of ram at 200$ range. Those are some pretty impressive specs for the cost. I am not trying to knock the nook tab or the kindle fire.. but, for 200$ if you want a tablet that doesn't require tweaking or much effort.. You're getting an extra 2 cores + stock jellybean.
While the Galaxy Nexus may have launched for more the price has dropped before it even saw a successor. A lot of phones will only drop in price once a successor has been released.
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Pretty good point.
I was more thinking about the nexus 7 launching with a tegra 3 and 1 gig of ram at 200$ range. Those are some pretty impressive specs for the cost. I am not trying to knock the nook tab or the kindle fire.. but, for 200$ if you want a tablet that doesn't require tweaking or much effort.. You're getting an extra 2 cores + stock jellybean.
While the Galaxy Nexus may have launched for more the price has dropped before it even saw a successor. A lot of phones will only drop in price once a successor has been released.
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True, but the Galaxy Nexus with "worse" specs is still $350, phones are just priced differently.
I think the depreciation of price on samsung's devices is quite a lot. There is no point buying straight away anymore. Wait few months and you have a bargain.
The Nexus tablet is price controlled by Google to help make it even more attractive. I doubt they'll do the same with the next Nexus phone, but it will help drop the price of the Galaxy Nexus even more. Google and Sony seem to be the only ones who want to offer reasonably priced new-in-box devices.
I know all the tech sites and forums and whatnot always rave about the newest flagship device and seem to ignore even well specced budget phones, especially region or carrier specific ones. I am on T-mobile but am constantly checking out the new phones available on AT&T since T-mobile phones suck in general. There are some amazing budget phones that are almost as well specced and even better built, costing half the price, with 1/100 the publicity. Earlier in the year I bought a Pantech burst for one of my relatives. It only cost $200 on eBay. It was super smooth and fast, and the AMOLED screen made it pop. I was always playing with it and comparing it to my $450 HTC One X. The One X was actually slower, and the screen didn't feel as resilient. The camera was much better, but besides that, I couldn't really find any reason to justify the 2x++ cost.
Today I went to go play with more phones. AT&T has two new budget phones. The LG Escape and the Pantech Flex. They are both running a dual-core S4 and lightly skinned and super fast. Both have qHD displays at 4.3" with top tier IPS and AMOLED displays. At that screen size, 720p wouldn't have made much a difference for me or most people, and it's a perfect hand-holding size. I find it just as usable as the 4.8" S III, and even easier and faster than the cumbersome 5.3" Note I am currently rocking. The cameras are only marginally worse than top flagship phones, and they come with NFC and even big batteries. The LG Escape is a standout with 2150mah battery and a really great feeling curved and thin build that's grippy and rather seamess and unbroken. The petite size with very narrow bezels also makes it stand out. LTE is a given. Both devices are literally brand new just came out and you can easily find them on eBay for $250. I'm really digging the LG Escape and get more and more annoyed thinking about the $520 I dropped a couple months ago to get the international Galaxy Note in my pocket that is slow and clunky and big. And no it's not about price depreciation and tech obsolescence. The Note still costs $520 even today, and most flagship phones of yesteryear are still expensive on eBay.
Last year the difference between high-end and budget was more dramatic since the cameras were way better on the high-end side and you got dual-core instead of single core. The screens were also terrible with WVGA and poor viewing angles and colors. This year is very different. Budget phones have the same blazing S4 krait processor that the high-end has, with all the same NFC, GPS, bluetooth, and everything else under the sun. The cameras have not improved much at the high-end whereas the lower-end has caught up and is nipping at their heels. Build quality is even better on the low-end in many cases (cough S III cough), and they always have removable batteries and microSD slots to expand their pitiful 4GB of memory. In a month, the LG Escape and Pantech Flex will probably drop to $200. The S III and One X are both still super expensive. This year at least, the tortoise has caught up to the hare, and budget-conscious consumers should be aware how great the lower end offerings are this year, and not be afraid to save a ton of money. It's not every year the fastest processor available becomes commoditized for budget phones and carriers are forcing LTE and big batteries into everything from low to high.
This is true. Just look at the Droid RAZR M and Atrix HD and HTC One XL. All $100 on contract
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I noticed too, now it's making purchasing decisions harder.
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This is true. Just look at the Droid RAZR M and Atrix HD and HTC One XL. All $100 on contract
EDIT: I noticed you said the HTC One X is super expensive. This is not quite true, as I stated above, is priced at a budget level. It's also only $20 on contract through Amazon Wireless
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I work at at&t and no way the one x is slower benchmarks are wayyy faster on oneX but ya At&t doesbt have any bad phones out really they are all cool in their own way
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I work at at&t and no way the one x is slower benchmarks are wayyy faster on oneX but ya At&t doesbt have any bad phones out really they are all cool in their own way
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NO WAY!
Well howdy Kflan22
I recently bought a brand dual core phone, with 4.3" ips screen, 1gb RAM ! 540x960 resolution and so on for 191 USD. And running so smooth.
It's a ZTE V970...not bad at all.
Yeah the Droid Razr M is a phone I'd buy! If it wasn't on Verizon...
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I work at at&t and no way the one x is slower benchmarks are wayyy faster on oneX but ya At&t doesbt have any bad phones out really they are all cool in their own way
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Wasn't really talking about benchmarks. Just general UI smoothness. The Burst felt a lot smoother, even within apps.
I'm basing these on eBay prices. Why would you want to lock yourself to a contract when you can save so much on monthly fees with a no-contract plan? I don't really pay attention to those Amazon Wireless or Best Buy or special sales because they all have a catch, and you usually have to be a new customer for the best deals.
The One X is still a good $350 for a new one on eBay.
I would not consider the Razr M a budget phone. It doesn't fall under $200. In fact, it's like over $450 on eBay. You could buy it on contract for $100, but the same goes for a lot of other flagship phones. The contract price usually doesn't correlate directly with the second-hand market price, so even if the Razr M dropped to free on contract, it would still be $400+. It only goes down over time. It's strange because if a phone is perceived as a budget phone like the Flex or the Escape, even if it has a $400+ MSRP, it will be a paltry $200 or less from the get go on eBay. It's all perception, even though the MSRP is probably right and the difference between the budget and flagship phone is really only $100-150 to buy retail as well as wholesale, people think they gotta price it way low since its budget.
It's kind of amazing how something like the Atrix HD, which is even faster/bigger/better than the original Razr on Verizon, is priced lower at around $300 new. The old Razr still commands $350+ for a new one. The Razr M still has qHD and the same internals as the Atrix HD but is a good $150 more. Yeah these are all eBay prices. Since the Atrix HD was launched as a budget $99 phone, even though the MSRP is probably only $100 difference at most from both old and new flagship phones, people will sell it much lower. Ditto for other budget phones that have an even bigger price disparity and sell for under $200.
It sucks if you have a budget phone and want to sell it used and get the most out of what the claimed MSRP is, but find out it sells for less than half that new and even less used. The on-contract price you paid is not a good measure of the phone's wholesale value the carrier paid since whether free or up to $200, the expensive contract plans make up for the difference and then some. That's how they can afford to drop everything to a penny on sale days, although they would of course love you to get the crappiest cheapest smartphone anyway. If you plan on buying these budget phones of course from eBay, and their perceived value drops them like a stone, it's a steal.
This minor difference between budget and high-end is gonna get much worse with Windows 8. They are all literally 1.5Ghz S4 Krait with 1GB RAM. Will a slightly better camera and a slightly bigger size/resolution screen really justify the over 2x price premium for a flagship?
we'll see
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Yeah the Droid Razr M is a phone I'd buy! If it wasn't on Verizon...
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dang them verison, built in sims...
You get what you pay for.
I think a good budget phone with good specs as far as i search, sony experia tipo. Try to check it out in the web.
Definitely better if "budget" phones are simply last gen flagships. It would make for much better compatibility down the road.
That LG looks nice but I have a couple of friends LG phones and they have a lot of little issues so I'm a little gun shy of them right now.
I think we're starting to hit a sweet spot for phone tech. Jelly Bean runs great on a dual core phone with 1 gig so you don't need new tech for a nice phone.
I totally agree, just seeing the Galaxy S III on MetroPCS is pretty amazing. I know its kind of off topic, but it still surprises me.
i think a phone with s4 cpu and 1 gb of ram do the job for a year or two ...
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i think a phone with s4 cpu and 1 gb of ram do the job for a year or two ...
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It depends on the user. Not everyone would afford or even like to change phone after a year or two..
I have been looking at some of the Pantech phones as well. I havent pulled the trigger because I havent found much information on durability and reliability.
well for me i always prefer budget phones in general .. i don't like to spend much money on a phone that i could whack or loss any moment...