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More and more i see in the forums newcomers asking for legitimate advice and guidance, and some even preface there lack of english, and yet i see other relative newcomers flame them, and sometimes even members/senior members also join the band wagon.
Some moderators have no qualms in flaming also... you know who you are.
Sure, there are those newcomers that have nothing better to do than start a thread for the enjoyment of pissing people off...I am confident the Mods will nuke them quickly.
I joined the site for the camaraderie and knowledge that is brought to the table.
Friendly banter is healthy , but abusive and racist comments should stop.
My 2 cents worth here, Don't respond to flamers as they want to bask in their glory and if we bite back we are no better than them.
I want my forums back to how they used to be. friendly, helpful, humourous.
The only way to get the respect we deserve is to lead by example.
Gets off my soapbox.
Waits to be flamed for this post...lol
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Your post should be stickied and copied to all the forums.
Thanks for your two cents.
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I agree with you, but on the other hand teasing noobs is healthy for them. It's like in highschool, freshmans get teased, and it toughens them up.
A lot of new users seemingly post threads without doing any searching or reading any stickies. Making them aware of these options bluntly is good imo and saves the forum of clutter.
I haven't seen much noob bashing on here though, correct me if I'm wrong.
You are right. New phone, new rooting method, threads that aren't 100 pages long, plus we are all to some degree noobs here has made an exemplary forum.
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I can't stand it when people jump all over noobs. All the time I see people getting their heads bitten off & actually being called names by senior members just for asking simple questions. It's positively shameful & it needs to stop. If they're asking stupid questions or being rude, yeah I can understand some backlash for that but sometimes it seems like the senior members just wanna chase off new people. XDA is supposed to be a community of smart people with an interest in phone modding but sometimes we act like an 8th grade class.
We were all noobs once & we need to remember that before we scream at someone for asking a question that- *GASP*- may have been answered before. A gentle reminder to search will suffice, no need to rip them a new one. And we also need to consider that not everyone knows exactly what terms to search for & that search is down for maintenance half the time to begin with.
moh0 said:
I agree with you, but on the other hand teasing noobs is healthy for them. It's like in highschool, freshmans get teased, and it toughens them up.
A lot of new users seemingly post threads without doing any searching or reading any stickies. Making them aware of these options bluntly is good imo and saves the forum of clutter.
I haven't seen much noob bashing on here though, correct me if I'm wrong.
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The search function as on any forum is not infallible and the way some new posters are treated is less than great, people don't come on here to be toughened up but to gain knowledge.
Well said OP! Most of the XDA gang usually helps one another...
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Super Chimp said:
The search function as on any forum is not infallible and the way some new posters are treated is less than great, people don't come on here to be toughened up but to gain knowledge.
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XDA is more a community than a school. In order to be a functioning part of a community, you must go through the motions of becoming a valuable member. I'm not condoning the bashing of noobs. But if new users constantly ask silly questions, something has to be said about it.
Why is it that people that have been part of the community for a while are such dicks? I don't understand why people are so inconsiderate when someone new asks a question. I understand there is a Q/A section and that people should read but when someone asks a "nebbish" question is a thread that it is OBVIOUSLY pertaining to people jump right on top of them and say stuff like "read it dumbass" or "google it". In the time that it takes to make such an a$$whole remark you could be a nice individual and help the person out. I understand it probably gets frustrating when people ask the same questions over and over but grow up. If your going to be part of a "hacking" community new people are going to come into the game and ask the tried and true questions. I for one asked plenty of question when I first started modding my phones and came across plenty of jerkoffs with snide remarks. It's very frustrating when you're getting used to a new system and have to spends hours and hours reading to try and find 1 answer to a simple question instead of being able to just ask. This is a community which by definition is a group of people living together in one place, esp. one practicing common ownership, and we should act like it. Help your fellow modders don't curb stomp their new excitement of having a new nifty phone.
I do agree that people are much, MUCH harsher on people than they should be, but I also believe that there is an etiquette for posting. In my book, if someone labels a thread as [Q] in general, no big deal. I don't give a crap what section it's in, just so it has some kind of order to it. Threads titled DEEZ NUTZ MAH PHONE IZ BROKE usually are begging to be flamed.
And on that note, I will simply say this:
treat others politely, and they will do the same. Unless they are doushecanoes. In which case you probably wouldn't want their advice anyway.
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I'll offer my 2 cents on this topic. What I'd like to know is what are the repercussions of having numerous thrends of the same or similar topic, will the forum lag, will our cool phones spontaneously combust right before our very eyes, ill say non of the above. So who really gives a [email protected]$ if we have repeat topics...instead of replying "Google it or use the search option" (which sucks by the way) all you have to do is NOTHING, just use the back button on your phone and release yourself from the topic.
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It isn't just forum etiquette. In a forum as large and widely used as XDA, not following the rules severely inhibits the functionality of the site. Creating a new thread on an existing topic doesn't just create a duplicate search result; it splinters the conversation, making it harder for those very newbies - or even more advanced users - find the information they need. XDA Developers is a resource not just for new users who want to know how the change the background on their phone, but for advanced developers and everyone in between.
If I have an issue with a specific application, and I search for that application, but there are 20, 50, or 100+ threads, the amount of information I have to wade through to find the answers I'm looking for increases almost exponentially, since the same questions will undoubtedly be repeated in each and every thread. On top of that, the likelihood that a user (new or otherwise) will miss the one nugget they are looking for increases even more significantly.
Some of the harshness is indeed childish, but XDA isn't your personal butler or tech support for your new device. It is an online forum that needs people to follow the rules to continue to be as useful as we have all known it to be. Otherwise, it's usefulness will degrade to the point of uselessness, and those flamers don't want to see that happen.
I can't figure it out myself.
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I think the only reason why a lot of people are like that is because most of this stuff can be learned without asking any questions at all. Of course, there will be times when someone has a weird question and it has to be asked but if everyone would just review the rules and follow them there wouldn't be any problems.
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I think the only reason why a lot of people are like that is because most of this stuff can be learned without asking any questions at all. Of course, there will be times when someone has a weird question and it has to be asked but if everyone would just review the rules and follow them there wouldn't be any problems.
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I agree, I had my phone running Infused GB before I ever even posted on the forum. I simply researched my questions and made sure I knew exactly how to do what I wanted to before I changed anything on my phone. Some people are just lazy...95% percent of the time, the question has been answered.
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Why is it that people that have been part of the community for a while are such dicks? I don't understand why people are so inconsiderate when someone new asks a question. I understand there is a Q/A section and that people should read but when someone asks a "nebbish" question is a thread that it is OBVIOUSLY pertaining to people jump right on top of them and say stuff like "read it dumbass" or "google it". In the time that it takes to make such an a$$whole remark you could be a nice individual and help the person out. I understand it probably gets frustrating when people ask the same questions over and over but grow up. If your going to be part of a "hacking" community new people are going to come into the game and ask the tried and true questions. I for one asked plenty of question when I first started modding my phones and came across plenty of jerkoffs with snide remarks. It's very frustrating when you're getting used to a new system and have to spends hours and hours reading to try and find 1 answer to a simple question instead of being able to just ask. This is a community which by definition is a group of people living together in one place, esp. one practicing common ownership, and we should act like it. Help your fellow modders don't curb stomp their new excitement of having a new nifty phone.
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I believe the scientific term is called NERD RAGE. But while it is excessive, it's to prove a point. An organized forum is a happy forum.
Yeah but organization and common courtesy can coexist. Help each other instead of cutting each down. I understand the forum becomes a cluster fack when people post a crap load of stuff about the same topic
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Is there a way to adjust the search function to search the infuse forum rather than the entire forum (all devices) because that's the problem, I for one have tried countless times to search for something that I've read when the thrend was new but the search gives me topics from every device, and most of the time the search doesnt even locate what I'm looking for. So either look thru 100's of pages while guessing if the thrend was made in general or Q&A or post a new topic. I feel advanced search options would greatly reduce the repeat topic issue.
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SolusCado said:
It isn't just forum etiquette. In a forum as large and widely used as XDA, not following the rules severely inhibits the functionality of the site. Creating a new thread on an existing topic doesn't just create a duplicate search result; it splinters the conversation, making it harder for those very newbies - or even more advanced users - find the information they need. XDA Developers is a resource not just for new users who want to know how the change the background on their phone, but for advanced developers and everyone in between.
If I have an issue with a specific application, and I search for that application, but there are 20, 50, or 100+ threads, the amount of information I have to wade through to find the answers I'm looking for increases almost exponentially, since the same questions will undoubtedly be repeated in each and every thread. On top of that, the likelihood that a user (new or otherwise) will miss the one nugget they are looking for increases even more significantly.
Some of the harshness is indeed childish, but XDA isn't your personal butler or tech support for your new device. It is an online forum that needs people to follow the rules to continue to be as useful as we have all known it to be. Otherwise, it's usefulness will degrade to the point of uselessness, and those flamers don't want to see that happen.
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Have you seen how many posts are in some of these threads. We have threads in here that have over 1000 posts in them with prob 20% tell people to read the whole tread. I might be easier on the folks if the devs would start a new thread with a new version of their ROM or Kernel. I know most of the Dev in the captivate forum used to do that when I was on a cappy.
Just my two cents.
Erik
nash2000 said:
Is there a way to adjust the search function to search the infuse forum rather than the entire forum
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YES!!! Near the top of a sub fourm, such as the infuse section, there is a SEARCH THIS FOURM link. You can even, from there, do an advanced search and really customize/narrow down your search results! Also within a thread at the top there is a SEARCH THIS THREAD link, which helps in those 100+ page threads.
As to why people jump all over "stupid" questions... IDk possibly mother issues???
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treat others politely, and they will do the same. Unless they are doushecanoes.
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This pretty much summed up the thread for me.
Tomdg07 said:
YES!!! Near the top of a sub fourm, such as the infuse section, there is a SEARCH THIS FOURM link. You can even, from there, do an advanced search and really customize/narrow down your search results! Also within a thread at the top there is a SEARCH THIS THREAD link, which helps in those 100+ page threads.
As to why people jump all over "stupid" questions... IDk possibly mother issues???
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Those must be for the PC, the app search doesn't offer those features, unless I'm blind.
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Those must be for the PC, the app search doesn't offer those features, unless I'm blind.
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Yup, desktop site, app search blows....
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Thread closed.
Its off topic
Hi,
I am a dev for Advent Vega and want to post my ROM but because xda is so unfriendly, I have to spam (great I thought this method was to counter this)! Also I have to wait 5 minutes between every post.
Why did you make xda such an unfriendly place?
Areo
There are much Users who just can Spam and think they are Devs because the successfully flashed a Rom or rooted something..
If you are a Dev, follow this link http://www.xda-developers.com/recognized-developer-program/
xda
They're trying to push new users away from posting pointless garb on their forums.
it's a community, not tech support
I think they do it to discourage users that treat the forum as free tech support, rather than a community focused on a common interest.
Obviously that doesn't describe you, but you do benefit from participating in a forum that limits 'how do I ..' and 'help me' type posts and discourages dependence on it's members.
A lot of people want to be held by the hand through every step of a process or problem. That attitude, though perfectly understandable, drains the time and/or patience of everybody around them, resources that are better spent on solving issues that haven't been addressed on numerous other sites.
There is this thing called the general section and noobs can post there
They don't want noobs getting in the way of development
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As a part time dev myself, I can perfectly understand where they're coming from here. It's easy for a person to assume that somebody is happy to walk them through installing something, but when there's hundreds of people like that a day, and all of them are asking questions that have answers in very easy to find places, it becomes very pissing off.
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Still spamming sorry!!!!
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why dont you just help 10 ppl instead of spamming thats what xda is about helping others sharing your knowledge
I was also uneasy about the 10 post thing, but I definitely understand why you have to actually prove that you want be on the forums instead of being like I CANT ROOT MI PHONE HELP ME PLZ!!!!!!
Hey! So recently I have seen a rather large influx of people doing dumb things without first searching! So far I've encountered a couple people who are upset they bricked their phones, even though a warning was put out to not fkz back from ICS. I have also seen many people posting in the dev section just asking for help. YOU SHOULD ONLY POST IN THE DEV SECTION ONLY IF YOU MADE SOMETHING (ie. a ROM). Please don't post there asking for help or posting screenshots. Sorry but this has been pissing me of a little lately.
PLEASE try to keep this forum clean, and make the job for our mods easier!
From now on, we need to just start directing people to my sticky in these situations, and not post any help until they follow the rules.
Here is my sticky:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778853
Then report them to the MODS, I have been told by both of our mods that they are on the developers sides and try to helps us out with any of these type of things, since this is a site really for developers and a way for us to get our work out to the public, so to speak.
Thanks! I shall do that. It's just been pissing me off that everyday new threads would come up about people bricking their phones. And they would pop up in the dev section too!
Agreed. :thumbup:
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farshad525hou said:
Thanks! I shall do that. It's just been pissing me off that everyday new threads would come up about people bricking their phones. And they would pop up in the dev section too!
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Yeah I feel your pain, and that is why I posted the sticky, I was seeing these things even before the bricks started. It has gotten so out of hand here, even with all the "when is ICS coming" new threads 2 or three a day. Heck now we have the leak and it not good enough, so they brick their phone even after all the warnings... I am starting to think that no one reads anything on here, and just posts a new thread for whatever they want to.
Jim, et. al.,
Since I have been traveling like a freaking gypsy for work these last two weeks, with another two more ahead of me, I was unable to PM all the Senior Members here with what you and I discussed last week. In lieu of all that, I'll take it upon myself to do what I had intended last week right here.
Because people (n00bs, primarily) can't search or post questions or concerns in threads that have already been established for certain topics -ICS leak topics mostly, I'm calling all Members and Senior Members together for this:
If we continue to see a handful of new threads made for topics already in discussion, we need ONLY to reply with the link to Jim's sticky, as well as the existing thread(s) that relate to new 'extraneous' ones. Nothing else, no replies to entertain any quandaries or concerns.
This was my concern with the leak coning out, and it has been substantiated with several threads posted that are clogging up this forum. I cannot stress enough the imperativeness of SEARCHING BEFORE POSTING NEW THREADS, and have already made reports to the moderators of people not following the rules. I'm doing that with the risk of looking like a total prick, but also with the hopes that people here will get the picture.
So, if we all join forces and take these threads with the same approach, it might just work. Albeit, there will always be those who will insist on being dumber than a bag if smashed a**holes, we still may get lucky and see some improvement...
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I'll be relying with links to jims sticky, jrws noob thread, and farshads do not flash fxz post. That should cover it all lol.
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I hate to seem like we're all "ganging up" on these guys, but it really has gotten way out of hand. So, n00bs and Junior Members (and even Members) if/when you read this, understand where we are all coming from. This isn't "my" forum or "your" forum, its "our" forum, and there are rules in place for everyone's benefit. Since the ICS leak, we've gotten more than a little frustrated with people wildly avoiding heeded caution, and squawking about the forum with a desperate cry for help by posting new (needless) threads. You'll get the very same degree of help if you post correctly, and avoid being set on fire...
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farshad525hou said:
Hey! So recently I have seen a rather large influx of people doing dumb things without first searching! So far I've encountered a couple people who are upset they bricked their phones, even though a warning was put out to not fkz back from ICS. I have also seen many people posting in the dev section just asking for help. YOU SHOULD ONLY POST IN THE DEV SECTION ONLY IF YOU MADE SOMETHING (ie. a ROM). Please don't post there asking for help or posting screenshots. Sorry but this has been pissing me of a little lately.
PLEASE try to keep this forum clean, and make the job for our mods easier!
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This has been going on for awhile now with people posting in the wrong section or people asking repeated questions. People just don't get it or they just don't care. It seems to be getting worse. I don't think there is going to be a real fix on this. I hope this thread will help though.
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i have been a member of xda forums for 1 1/2 years, as well as other android forums around the net. i'm usually the type of person that reads the threads more than i post in them, unless i truly have a helpful answer for someone or i genuinely need help with something. bc of this i have only two posts here at xda, as it's not my go-to forum. nonetheless, i still look through threads here for info and help and occasionally i know the answer to someone's question. upon trying to help someone out earlier in the vzw gnex development forum i was presented with a v-bulletin message telling me i'm not allowed to post there because it's for 'advanced users' who have 'more than ten posts.' i find this to be a ridiculous policy, based solely on my prior activity, or lack thereof. i consider myself to be pretty proficient with android, and basically i would have to make seven other posts in addition to this one (which would have no merit as i don't need to make seven other posts at this time) and clog up other sections of the forums just so i can reply to someone in a development thread. is there no way around this? or do i truly have to come up with some bs posts elsewhere just to help someone?
The reason is they don't want time wasters taking up the time of the developers or people asking questions which have already been asked and answered. Where all it would take is a little effort to search. It fairly easy to get your ten posts look for other forums where you could help. With the amount of members xda all ready has and the amount that sign up everyday, there no way of knowing or determining what expertise the new member may or not have.
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i understand what you mean, but I'm far off from being a new member. As stated in the op I've been a member for a year and a half (since Feb 2011.) Oh well. Thanks for the reply
All I can suggest is u look about some of the other forum's where u can post and see if there are people in their u can help.
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As chris170569 said, it really isn't difficult to write 10 posts around these forums. If indeed you've done a lot of reading here and are a proficient android user, as you say, then even though you may not feel the need to make other posts, but there are always users here who need help.
The best place to start of is in the forums for your device and look through the General and Q&A sections of said forum to see if you can help anyone.
There's always the option of helping out in the General and Q&A subforums of the General forum.
The posts really won't take long to build up.
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What you post was absolutely ryt bro::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
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Just like KidCarter93 and chris170569 have said it is pretty easy to get 10 thanked posted. As you can see I'm a pretty new member and already have gotten 10+ thanked post. However, when I first came to XDA I didn't even get a thanked post in a forum until almost a month later. After that I post at least once a day, to see if I can help someone out. Just saying you get in what you put out.
Since you're proficient in android, make a thread on answering people's question (if there isn't one already). But to answer your question the only way to answer people's question that you come across is to private message them.
running into the same issue ... need help big time on my EVO
Go to the discussion forum for your device. Should find someone there. Or start a new thread in the Q & A section for your device. Make sure u have really really searched first, if your problem can be sorted by a quick search n u not done that you will get flamed mercessilly
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