Hey! So recently I have seen a rather large influx of people doing dumb things without first searching! So far I've encountered a couple people who are upset they bricked their phones, even though a warning was put out to not fkz back from ICS. I have also seen many people posting in the dev section just asking for help. YOU SHOULD ONLY POST IN THE DEV SECTION ONLY IF YOU MADE SOMETHING (ie. a ROM). Please don't post there asking for help or posting screenshots. Sorry but this has been pissing me of a little lately.
PLEASE try to keep this forum clean, and make the job for our mods easier!
From now on, we need to just start directing people to my sticky in these situations, and not post any help until they follow the rules.
Here is my sticky:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778853
Then report them to the MODS, I have been told by both of our mods that they are on the developers sides and try to helps us out with any of these type of things, since this is a site really for developers and a way for us to get our work out to the public, so to speak.
Thanks! I shall do that. It's just been pissing me off that everyday new threads would come up about people bricking their phones. And they would pop up in the dev section too!
Agreed. :thumbup:
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farshad525hou said:
Thanks! I shall do that. It's just been pissing me off that everyday new threads would come up about people bricking their phones. And they would pop up in the dev section too!
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Yeah I feel your pain, and that is why I posted the sticky, I was seeing these things even before the bricks started. It has gotten so out of hand here, even with all the "when is ICS coming" new threads 2 or three a day. Heck now we have the leak and it not good enough, so they brick their phone even after all the warnings... I am starting to think that no one reads anything on here, and just posts a new thread for whatever they want to.
Jim, et. al.,
Since I have been traveling like a freaking gypsy for work these last two weeks, with another two more ahead of me, I was unable to PM all the Senior Members here with what you and I discussed last week. In lieu of all that, I'll take it upon myself to do what I had intended last week right here.
Because people (n00bs, primarily) can't search or post questions or concerns in threads that have already been established for certain topics -ICS leak topics mostly, I'm calling all Members and Senior Members together for this:
If we continue to see a handful of new threads made for topics already in discussion, we need ONLY to reply with the link to Jim's sticky, as well as the existing thread(s) that relate to new 'extraneous' ones. Nothing else, no replies to entertain any quandaries or concerns.
This was my concern with the leak coning out, and it has been substantiated with several threads posted that are clogging up this forum. I cannot stress enough the imperativeness of SEARCHING BEFORE POSTING NEW THREADS, and have already made reports to the moderators of people not following the rules. I'm doing that with the risk of looking like a total prick, but also with the hopes that people here will get the picture.
So, if we all join forces and take these threads with the same approach, it might just work. Albeit, there will always be those who will insist on being dumber than a bag if smashed a**holes, we still may get lucky and see some improvement...
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I'll be relying with links to jims sticky, jrws noob thread, and farshads do not flash fxz post. That should cover it all lol.
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I hate to seem like we're all "ganging up" on these guys, but it really has gotten way out of hand. So, n00bs and Junior Members (and even Members) if/when you read this, understand where we are all coming from. This isn't "my" forum or "your" forum, its "our" forum, and there are rules in place for everyone's benefit. Since the ICS leak, we've gotten more than a little frustrated with people wildly avoiding heeded caution, and squawking about the forum with a desperate cry for help by posting new (needless) threads. You'll get the very same degree of help if you post correctly, and avoid being set on fire...
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Hey! So recently I have seen a rather large influx of people doing dumb things without first searching! So far I've encountered a couple people who are upset they bricked their phones, even though a warning was put out to not fkz back from ICS. I have also seen many people posting in the dev section just asking for help. YOU SHOULD ONLY POST IN THE DEV SECTION ONLY IF YOU MADE SOMETHING (ie. a ROM). Please don't post there asking for help or posting screenshots. Sorry but this has been pissing me of a little lately.
PLEASE try to keep this forum clean, and make the job for our mods easier!
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This has been going on for awhile now with people posting in the wrong section or people asking repeated questions. People just don't get it or they just don't care. It seems to be getting worse. I don't think there is going to be a real fix on this. I hope this thread will help though.
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If your only plausible contribution to this forum is to tell people to post in the correct thread, DON'T.
If you are not a Dev, or a mod, and you get the urge to tell someone they posted in the incorrect thread, DON'T (those groups are MORE than capable of doing it themselves).
If you have the urge to do anything but be helpful and kind to your fellow XDA members, and cannot control yourself, FIND A NEW HAPPY HOME.
If people were HALF as LIGHTNING fast to help as they are to chastise someone for posting in the wrong damned place this would be a MUCH better place to get help.
I can pretty sure guarantee no one would be hesitant to ask for it, LIKE THEY ARE NOW.
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The forum is broken, it's not showing you as a moderator!
There. I fixed the flaws in your post.
I do agree though. Don't post that someone's thread is in the wrong forum, it doesn't help in any way. Just let us mods know, so we can move them.
Thanks for pointing this out Morkai Almandragon, people should be aware of this.
I agree. People should be nicer. I've seen plenty get angry at noobs or just people not paying attention. At the same time, I have also seen people jump on someone, accusing them of being hateful to a noob when they really weren't (person was just overreacting such as here). Niceness goes down both sides of the aisle.
In short, think about what the person was thinking before you reply to them if you think they are in fault about something. I can save lots of ranting/off topic derailing.
I completly agree.
I come from the x10 forums and the behavior over there has become absolutely disgusting over the past few months.
Its really starting to get annoying, every second thread becomes a flame war.
People need to remember what XDA-Developers is about, because last time I checked, it was about discussing mobile devices and expanding their capabilities, not about using terrible language and abusing others. What is this, an iPhone forum? (Sarcasm)
(Sorry to stick my nose in another devices forum where its not wanted, I just felt the need to share)
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I am not, nor did I know I had to be a mod to post what should be common sense.
Do you disagree with what I said Mike?
Quite frankly I am sick of watching dev's leave, and watching new people not ask questions because they fear someone will chew them out for miss stepping.
If someoen posts to the dev section on accadent it takes about 2 minutes for someone to post that they were not in the right forum... how long is the average wait to get help?
Maybe I have the world back wards, but it seems to me we should be quicker to help than to chastise.
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I am not, nor did I know I had to be a mod to post what should be common sense.
Do you disagree with what I said Mike?
Quite frankly I am sick of watching dev's leave, and watching new people not ask questions because they fear someone will chew them out for miss stepping.
If someoen posts to the dev section on accadent it takes about 2 minutes for someone to post that they were not in the right forum... how long is the average wait to get help?
Maybe I have the world back wards, but it seems to me we should be quicker to help than to chastise.
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Settle down , he was just making light at your post being edited for language I believe. He made no judgement on what you said. No need to jump on a user and do what you are saying people shouldn't do (being mean).
edit: okay maybe it was directed at you as seen ↓↓ below ↓↓ (unicode ↓↓ arrows are awesome btw ) but yeah you are being a bit hot headed and just encouraging people to want to attack you by the way you choose your replies + language.
Your words would have far more impact without calling out single members and leaving out the curse words
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I am not, nor did I know I had to be a mod to post what should be common sense.
Do you disagree with what I said Mike?
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It's off topic, and doesn't belong in this forum. It's hypocritical for you to correct people, by telling them not to correct others.
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It's off topic, and doesn't belong in this forum. It's hypocritical for you to correct people, by telling them not to correct others.
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Mike you are missing the point completely.
I am not posting this in a thread that someone ELSE posted asking for help.
I am not making someone who came here looking for help FEEL LIKE CRAP.
I am not cluttering up a post that may very likely get found in a search by someone else with the same problem as the original poster.
While a post by someone with a problem may very well be in the wrong place, or may very well be EASILY answered with a search, when the only replies are chastising them for such, future people with the same problem have the joy of sifting through every post just like it, where people asked the same questions they have, only to have never been answered.
It is one thing to answer someones thread with a helpful comment, and mention they should check the forum rules, or post in the right place, or explain the search function. This sort of thing is helpful and productive within the community.
What I complain about in the first post is not helpful and in fact causes our community to erode.
I do not really see anything hypocritical here at all.
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There. I fixed the flaws in your post.
I do agree though. Don't post that someone's thread is in the wrong forum, it doesn't help in any way. Just let us mods know, so we can move them.
Thanks for pointing this out Morkai Almandragon, people should be aware of this.
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Yep. Can't say how many times I've mentioned that in threads... I don't think this thread needs to go any further.
So this forum has been all but derailed by rude and impulsive posters who flame thread after thread if they dont get their way. Never mine they contribute almost nothing to the dev scene. I saw the other day yet another talented dev is on the way out because of these few brats. Any way to contact the mod or add additonal moderators to weed out the trolls so the other members dont lose out?
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Mod Edit: I see that this is only your second post in XDA and it is already a rant.
I suggest you first learn how to report posts and then rant regarding moderators...
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So this forum has been all but derailed by rude and impulsive posters who flame thread after thread if they dont get their way. Never mine they contribute almost nothing to the dev scene. I saw the other day yet another talented dev is on the way out because of these few brats. Any way to contact the mod or add additonal moderators to weed out the trolls so the other members dont lose out?
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Well said. Seems like we have people new to Android/ smartphones, who feel entitled to answers that they can find themselves if the just read! And if they don't get answered within minutes, they call a ROM junk or jump the Dev. They should just go back to Iphone and remain a zombie!
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Well said. Seems like we have people new to Android/ smartphones, who feel entitled to answers that they can find themselves if the just read! And if they don't get answered within minutes, they call a ROM junk or jump the Dev. They should just go back to Iphone and remain a zombie!
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Totally agree with above, seems like a lot of tempers flared and people jumped ship. This phone still rocks and I hope support continues for it.
@OP: Looks like you are kinda late with this observation. We already lost quite a few devs. Moderators on this forum are pretty much more strict when compared to captivate forums, and this still keeps happening.
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This phone still rocks and I hope support continues for it.
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Agreed. This is still a great phone, and I hope that more folks will stick around to figure stuff out vs. waiting for a few devs to do everything for them. We have a few devs still looking out for us, and we should appreciate them rather than gripe at them. I plan to stick around for awhile, and will just ignore and stay out of any drama. Once we get source from AT&T Gingerbread, development should pick up some.
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Agreed. This is still a great phone, and I hope that more folks will stick around to figure stuff out vs. waiting for a few devs to do everything for them. We have a few devs still looking out for us, and we should appreciate them rather than gripe at them. I plan to stick around for awhile, and will just ignore and stay out of any drama. Once we get source from AT&T Gingerbread, development should pick up some.
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I wish I could support more than I am now. Code doesn't scare me but I am at NO level to help with development (the devs almost seem like magicians at times) but in terms of theme-ing or anything visual that would need to be created I would be happy to help (buttons, icons, backgrounds, etc) because that is in my field.
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@OP: Looks like you are kinda late with this observation. We already lost quite a few devs. Moderators on this forum are pretty much more strict when compared to captivate forums, and this still keeps happening.
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It seems when we get new devs, ppl flood the threads with a "gimme" attitude and when they don't get their way they ***** and moan. I've been following here since the phone came out and it's amazing how hard ppl bite the hand that feeds them...
There are more noobs here than we know what to do with and they are constantly snapping at the devs, constantly posting repeat questions and asking stupid ass questions in ROM threads. (usually answered in the OP) No wonder all of our useful members are upgrading and leaving. I'm hoping the moderators can step in if this gets any worse.
Report bad posts. They can't fix what they can't see, and it's not feasible to be babysitting 100 threads. broncogr will clean up the baddies, but the community needs to police itself. Don't respond to bad posts, just report them and move on.
I had my own post closed down and i had to find a moderator to do it. It didn't take him long to close it once he got my pm.
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I had my own post closed down and i had to find a moderator to do it. It didn't take him either once he got my pm.
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Easier way would be to report the post you want to take down. That would get quicker attention than an IM.
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constantly posting repeat questions and asking stupid ass questions in ROM threads. (usually answered in the OP).
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Mention about searching to them, and here are the common retorts we get back:
1. Too many pages on ROMs to browse through
2. Its easier to ask and get answer than browse through
3. Why don't you just answer me than increase post count by telling me to search
What they fail to realize is that Q&A thread of a ROM is created specifically to address the ROM's issues, and searching there is the first thing to be done.
Maybe we should get a warning tab that shows warning levels given to any user. After certain number of warning, its the ban hammer on them for a short while that would restrict them from posting anything.
Instead of ranting and taking matters into your own hands why dont you just report the offending posts and they will be taken care of.
Unless you believe that mods are going to read any and all threads and any and all posts on a daily basis.
I try to keep the forum clean, move posts to the correct subforum and answer quickly to any reported posts and pm's.
But if you dont report it I will not be able to see it....
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If you have a problem with someone keep it between yourselves. You can argue with people all you want over pm.
Dev threads are for dev related materials. This means critiques, error reporting, LOGS, and relivent info. What this does not include is arguing with people. Also posts that comment to the op, saying I'm not flashing this because... please no.
Also replying to a question with this belongs here wastes space. If you don't know don't reply. If you do, answer it or post a link to a thread with the answer and then say this belongs here. We don't need 3 this belongs here to every question before someone has the heart to answer it. You're adding to the mess.
Also please read ravers post clarifying the sections. The community is becoming way too whiny and every thread is becoming a flame war.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517199
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You're absolutely correct. I, for one, have responded to posts on dev threads that I shouldn't have. No disrespect was meant to the dev it's just seeing certain posts disrespecting the op angered me to the point of responding. I will be more than happy to go back and delete it if I am able. At the very least I will edit.
Edited my post in dev thread.
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im sorry but if raver already posted something referring to this said problem, then are you yourself not whining and wasting forum space?
and once upon a time i posted this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
so you could link this thread if you like
This is addressing a different issue. The main thing here, we are a community. We all want basically the same things. We don't want to read through the flaming of other users and posting counterproductive things. Yes people will post questions in the wrong sections, etc, but it doesn't warrant 5 posts complaining about it's misplacement when it would take one to clarify and inform him KINDLY it's in the wrong place for future posts. Yes that search feature is nice, and things are crowded, but people make mistakes. We need to be a community and treat eachother with respect instead of whining and complaining at everyone.
if anyone has issues, they can use my guide thread to post them in
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I want to point people to my question in the Q&A section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1518935
Answers from the mods would be nice. Because the community is creating rules and expecting people to know them in advance. The general rules are basic and dont cover a lot of what people like to claim is rules and whatnot.
yeah, this was more meant to address the people just generally being a%$es. Rules are nice and all, but we don't all need to police them, especially if it means posting 5 threads policing them.
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Also replying to a question with this belongs here wastes space. If you don't know don't reply.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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im sorry lumin, how mu h time have you spent on irc with team acid? i guarantee its less than hamster and. i have
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What are talking kid.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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What he's saying is, if you can't help, don't waste yours and our time. At least answering incorrectly shows effort on one's part to help, instead of just blatantly being an ass.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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Plenty. Answer the question and direct them to the right place, especially if it only takes one post to answer. If it'd take more link them to a more relivent thread.
For every one noob asking a question in the wrong place we have 5 "experts" repeating this goes here wasting more space than it'd take to answer.
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Plenty. Answer the question and direct them to the right place, especially if it only takes one post to answer. If it'd take more link them to a more relivent thread.
For every one noob asking a question in the wrong place we have 5 "experts" repeating this goes here wasting more space than it'd take to answer.
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I'm sorry hampsterblade - I mean no disrespect - but you seem to have a Do as I say not as I do attitude with this post and your posting in the dev threads.
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I'm sorry hampsterblade - I mean no disrespect - but you seem to have a Do as I say not as I do attitude with this post and your posting in the dev threads.
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Well if you DO follow his actions then you'd be in our IRC channel helping us debug and giving us logs. Hampster's one of the only new names that I've seen giving us legitimate help lately.
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Well if you DO follow his actions then you'd be in our IRC channel helping us debug and giving us logs. Hampster's one of the only new names that I've seen giving us legitimate help lately.
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FB I don't plan on following others' actions. And I am not saying what he said in the OP doesn't have merit. However, it seems after he posted this he has been on a posting spree in the dev section... adding to the clutter he denounced in this post. Hell he even accidentally started thread today in the dev section talking about starting a Wiki...
I don't know how me joining the IRC channel will benefit you guys or help. I hope to help by answering noob questions so you guys don't have to. We are going to have to do hand holding whether we want to or not... I am resigned to that fact... therefore, I do my best to handle as many those requests as possible.
....As the world turns (starting to look like a soap)
As lumin30 will tell you we have had our fair number of disagreements here, but I totally agree with him. This is a somewhat relevant post, but it looks more towards the lines of "Do as I say not as I do" post. There are plenty of "This is what your supposed to do" threads like this ----->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
And if this is what the OP is referring to as "especially if it means posting 5 threads policing them."
then please look at date i wrote it (26 aug 2011). If mistaken on what your talking about then I apologize.
Just seems to me that the very thing you are preaching is being done by you.
I'm not trying to spark arguments here.
What I'm mostly saying is cut some people some slack. While it's a good thing to inform people where things should go, that doesn't mean when someone posts something in the wrong thread things only need to be said once, and if it's a simple answer just answer it and inform them it should be in a different section.
Read through some of the old threads especially Raver's roms, and yes some people are dumb reporting bugs that are in the op, or have already been reported, and not providing logs to help. That doesn't mean we need 5 people to reply to the post saying this has already been reported or this belongs in Q&A.
I'm simply saying be friendly. The overall activity of the community has gotten way too hostile. Noobs will be noobs, not that I approve of it, that doesn't mean our older members have to be dicks.
Also my post earlier was a legitimate mistake as I just opened the browser to make the post and didn't notice what section I was in. And As for the wiki I do intend to do it as I feel there is too much to put on one page with sub-pages, and that navigation wise it will make things more friendly for noobs to find information easily with a full FAQ, and wiki pages with full descriptions of roms, how to flash them, and known bugs, as things tend to get lost in the forums. I'm simply working to help out the little guys. We all had a time we were noobs too, just some are dumber than others.
noobs will be noobs, saying that just tells people hey i'm a noob and noobs will be noobs...so I'll just post where ever I like and continue not to use search
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jdubb1106 said:
noobs will be noobs, saying that just tells people hey i'm a noob and noobs will be noobs...so I'll just post where ever I like and continue not to use search
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Guh, people are so selective with what they read. I said noobs are dumb in post in the wrong place. Doesn't mean we need 5 people to police them for every post. It only makes things worse.
This thread has turned into a fail as it always has and always will.....damned if you do....damned if you dont...
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I understand the principle of the 10-post limit before I can post in a developer thread, but it means i have to post meaningless things in other areas just to get my post numbers up.
Thoughts?
No. That's NOT what you do. Post useful posts, not meaningless posts. If you post crap they'll just get deleted
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in the last week ive managed to go from being new to android to installing CWM and a new rom, tweakign it and finding bugs to report that arent reported yet. only i cant report them. i cant post. i have a good topic to discuss with the devs. would like to donate. and get into the community. but its hard with this restriction... only i understand why its here. post number 2 down...
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in the last week ive managed to go from being new to android to installing CWM and a new rom, tweakign it and finding bugs to report that arent reported yet. only i cant report them. i cant post. i have a good topic to discuss with the devs. would like to donate. and get into the community. but its hard with this restriction... only i understand why its here. post number 2 down...
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Yes, the rule is very understandable. Since you know about Android you can easily look through threads and help some newbies out
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in the last week ive managed to go from being new to android to installing CWM and a new rom, tweakign it and finding bugs to report that arent reported yet. only i cant report them. i cant post. i have a good topic to discuss with the devs. would like to donate. and get into the community. but its hard with this restriction... only i understand why its here. post number 2 down...
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i know whatcha mean..ive been a member here for quite awhile but never posted anything..just used this site for information but the other day tried to post in a dev thread and was amazed to find out i was restricted lol .. this is a fantastic site though..ive learned alot over the years here..anything you need to know this is the place to look.
Same situation with me. Been trying to find anything good to chime in on. Anyone know where I can find a good thread for android games?
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I just went to the "General" and "Q&A" type forums here and for the devices I have and answered simple questions - so simple even a total n00b like me could say something useful !
To all the noobs, what makes you so special to where you will be exempt from the rules. Consider it a right of passage. If I had to endure, so shall you. Its not hard;to make ten HELPFUL posts. Stop copping out that's its an inconvenience and just do it!!
besides there are a lot of people asking questions that can benefit from your inputs in the general section
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It's actually an incredibly stupid rule, just like the noob video on account creation. Assumes that everyone who browses the forums are brainless script kiddies and leechers, rather than those who came from other websites and development communities.
But we're thankful that it's only a 10 post limit, I suppose.
There has Been more than a thousand threads of this kind.
Instead of just fuming over the rule and wasting time, make use of it and be useful to others and get the 10 post count.
Reporting......
And BTW have a look at this thread if you are eager to post in dev forum.
LIFE! Enjoy it while you Still have it!
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This topic has been discussed at length numerous times in many threads. There's really no need for another one.
Man this forum is already starting to look worse than the G3 threads, where it's full of the same stuff, over and over, everyone needs to keep their mouths shut and quit asking about the fix to this phone and let the Dev's do their damn job. Keep in mind that they DON'T have to do a damn thing for no one. It isn't like you bought the phone and it came with a leaflet stating, "oh, btw, to do any mods on your phone, you will get service here" sheeez...all anyone is doing is pissing off the people we need to help.
Let the bashing begin, I can take it. This is my opinion only!
This is the "general" section.
As long as it relates to the phone in some regard people can say what they want.
In before the lock.
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sptrsn said:
This is the "general" section.
As long as it relates to the phone in some regard people can say what they want.
In before the lock.
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Thanks, I am just getting frustrated, that you start reading some threads, and most of them are getting hijacked with the same ole stuff, put it in one area, and delete it from the rest.
As far as banning me, so be it, by the time I return the forum might just be cleaned. I am NOT the only person that has already thought of this. If it would make everyone happy, I reported myself for this thread to be deleted.
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Man this forum is already starting to look worse than the G3 threads, where it's full of the same stuff, over and over, everyone needs to keep their mouths shut and quit asking about the fix to this phone and let the Dev's do their damn job. Keep in mind that they DON'T have to do a damn thing for no one. It isn't like you bought the phone and it came with a leaflet stating, "oh, btw, to do any mods on your phone, you will get service here" sheeez...all anyone is doing is pissing off the people we need to help.
Let the bashing begin, I can take it. This is my opinion only!
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this is the internet, what are you sincerely expecting?
Thread closed...If anyone wants opinions, go log on to social media for them. This here is a development site, contribute to that or log off - do not clutter threads with this stuff.
To clarify a couple other points, the general section of any thread is NOT for opinions like this, so it is not okay. Nor is creating this type of flotsam and jetsum and then self-reporting it while being self righteous in the process. When you accepted membership here, you agreed to post by the rules, and this thread is a great example of what not to do.
Oh yeah, always help a new user, and if you are confronted with disrespectful users, report the posts, and do not feed trolls or trollers.... Moderators are standing by to assist.