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[Q] How does the built in software handle updates?

I wanted to ask if anyone knows how HTC handles updating the included software? most of them don't show as installed in the android app market, so I don't get update notifications for them.
I'm asking this because there's a update that came out for the adobe flash player today, and I'm not sure if it was updated in my phone.

I just checked it out in the manage application and it's still on 10.2 software, WTF... so anybody know if that suppose to be the case, and how is it smart to have the built in apps not show up in the market.

The ones that are built in (besides flash) you need to leave them be...The Version of Qik is newer in our phone...the market version is older and hasnt been optimized for our phones.
If it doesn't show up it's because they put a different version in our phone than what was released in the market...Leave it alone and when its ready to update it will alert you..Like I said..Flash is the exception to that.

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Elvis_Freshly said:
The ones that are built in (besides flash) you need to leave them be...The Version of Qik is newer in our phone...the market version is older and hasnt been optimized for our phones.
If it doesn't show up it's because they put a different version in our phone than what was released in the market...Leave it alone and when its ready to update it will alert you..Like I said..Flash is the exception to that.
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Okay so does this mean that I shouldn't manually update apps like Adobe Reader, Telnav... those are the only additional ones i noticed besides flashy that weren't updated.
Keep in mind that older versions of adobe products are known to have major security flaws.
That may not be saying much because allot of things in android OS have security flaws, but that's besides the point. Just because it's optimized for our devices does that make it not vulnerable?

fyi...I did have an htc update notify for the Listen V1.31 app on 6/25/11. Installed w/o issue...

gguy1 said:
Okay so does this mean that I shouldn't manually update apps like Adobe Reader, Telnav... those are the only additional ones i noticed besides flashy that weren't updated.
Keep in mind that older versions of adobe products are known to have major security flaws.
That may not be saying much because allot of things in android OS have security flaws, but that's besides the point. Just because it's optimized for our devices does that make it not vulnerable?
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Nah, not those.. just apps like qik and TMOBILE tv, etc. Not the adobe apps. Update those.
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galaxys said:
fyi...I did have an htc update notify for the Listen V1.31 app on 6/25/11. Installed w/o issue...
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Yea I got that one too but others were left not updated
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Ok seems about right then... It would be nice to get a auto notification about these updates when they release though maybe there's a app for it...
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Aw this sucks, I already installed the apps from the marketplace thinking the ones on my phone where older version.
Should I do a factory restore so I can get them all back to normal? Or am I SOL?

Hgaara said:
Aw this sucks, I already installed the apps from the marketplace thinking the ones on my phone where older version.
Should I do a factory restore so I can get them all back to normal? Or am I SOL?
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Just to to Settings>Applications>Manage & find the app & click uninstall updates

No Adobe Flash for 4.1 - AND No More Play Downloads After Aug 15 for Anyone!!

Wow. This is something else.
Searched but didn't find this posted yet.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/28/adobe-confirms-it-wont-support-flash-on-android-4-1/
And from the horse's mouth...
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/06/flash-player-and-android-update.html

I too read this and became quite alarmed. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. I seriously hate how everyone is pushing apps when a flash equipped browser can handle a lot more in a more efficient way.
So anyway, will there be a solution to this? Will we be able to port flash from ICS to Jellybean? Any input would be greatly appreciated.

google is integrating flash into chrome for android

antwan* said:
I too read this and became quite alarmed. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. I seriously hate how everyone is pushing apps when a flash equipped browser can handle a lot more in a more efficient way.
So anyway, will there be a solution to this? Will we be able to port flash from ICS to Jellybean? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Not entirely true.. flash on mobile device doesn't perform as well as their desktop counterpart.. beside, who would use flash on mobile anyway? Play flash games? Proof that android is superior to iOS? That's just silly..
I'm not offending Apple.. they're right, HTML5 is a much efficient way to deliver content on websites.. it'll save time, money and effort for web designers..
About the port, i think it's very possible.. someone could try pull the flash player from ics and install it on JB..
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We can always sideload it, the current version works in JB. Flash will be phased out and replaced with HTML5 eventually anyway

I've just backed up the latest Flash APK to Dropbox... you know..just in case
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Actually it says in the final two paragraphs of their blog that adobe won't support flash but that developers will be able to download unsupported versions, obviously not updated of course.
But yes it is true chrome on 4.1 will also not support flash. But of course we can do as ios users have to and use browsers that do support flash.
Dave
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- Swift - said:
I've just backed up the latest Flash APK to Dropbox... you know..just in case
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Isnt that a form of pirating? (Gotta admit though, When my phone was fast, I was able to sideload apps, Now its acting weird, very laggy)

OptimusLove said:
Isnt that a form of pirating? (Gotta admit though, When my phone was fast, I was able to sideload apps, Now its acting weird, very laggy)
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Flash 11 is free?
And plus, its a system app on my phone so...
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I fail to see why this is a big deal. Flash has been on its way out the door even in the desktop realm for a while now.
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I've just backed up the latest Flash APK to Dropbox... you know..just in case
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Seems a little unnecessary as Adobe themselves said all the released versions will be available from them.

deathsled said:
I fail to see why this is a big deal. Flash has been on its way out the door even in the desktop realm for a while now.
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It's a big deal because there are still many websites that are flash based.
Way back when, the main reason I upgraded from a MT3G, to 4G was so I could access those sites. Now I'm back where I started until all those companies redesign their websites.
What Adobe should be doing is immediately discontinuing Flash updates and support for ALL platforms, which would force everyone to immediately redesign their sites instead of leaving mobile users out in the cold.
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I always have flash turned off on my phone anyway.
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Kind of weird that people are taking it somewhat lightly. I always heard android users claiming that it's one of the things that out-shinned the iPhone.

nuclearbroccoli said:
It's a big deal because there are still many websites that are flash based.
Way back when, the main reason I upgraded from a MT3G, to 4G was so I could access those sites. Now I'm back where I started until all those companies redesign their websites.
What Adobe should be doing is immediately discontinuing Flash updates and support for ALL platforms, which would force everyone to immediately redesign their sites instead of leaving mobile users out in the cold.
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I couldn't agree more. People are always quick to say, "oh but flash is dead, blah blah, you don't need flash, it sucks on mobile"
I'd like to remind everyone that the needs of one are not the needs of all. Many sites unfortunately still rely on Flash, and not being able to have a device that can access such content is frankly limiting. If I wanted to be limited I'd be on iOS or Windows Phone. Now I'm not saying Android reigns superior to all, of course it has it's faults but it does provide a lot of utility and freedom.
I would love if everyone was on HTML5 and Flash was no more. However that is not the reality. We're in the year 2012 and our mobile OS's are capable of so much, we have quad core equipped devices with 2 GB of DDR3 RAM. So to say Flash doesn't work is not the case anymore. Flash works incredibly well.
While Apps might be convenient for some things, they can't replace everything in the web. Also it's not very ideal to have to download and bog down our devices with countless of apps to replace the functionality of what can already be achieved with a Flash equipped browser. What Flash equipped mobile devices did was make people paranoid that people wouldn't purchase as many Apps from an App Market. So frankly, I'm disappointed that Adobe caved and killed off Flash for mobile devices. Also XDA is where people come to be freed of mass consumerism and root and hack their devices and come up with solutions to walled garden implementations incorporated by companies aiming to sell dumbed down versions of what their OS can really accomplish, in order to sell to the mases; so it's a bit upsetting that I need to make this argument because some people are content or can't see Flash work for them.

PharmCAT said:
Kind of weird that people are taking it somewhat lightly. I always heard android users claiming that it's one of the things that out-shinned the iPhone.
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I guess Adobe want an end to people fighting over platforms/OSs.

nuclearbroccoli said:
It's a big deal because there are still many websites that are flash based.
Way back when, the main reason I upgraded from a MT3G, to 4G was so I could access those sites. Now I'm back where I started until all those companies redesign their websites.
What Adobe should be doing is immediately discontinuing Flash updates and support for ALL platforms, which would force everyone to immediately redesign their sites instead of leaving mobile users out in the cold.
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Agreed. Granted that not a lot of websites *depend* on flash to work, but when you do come across one that uses flash, it's certainly nice to be able to use the whole website.
Even just a "current version" with nothing but security and bug fixes would seem like a goo idea, not just cut dry...

Why dont we create a petition to resume Flash development for Android?

HTML5 won)) As Jobs said

smile_ppl said:
Why dont we create a petition to resume Flash development for Android?
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Too many petitions already
1. Windows Phone dilemma( about 1000 of them)
2. Apple and the Nexus( about 100 of them)

Mixed feelings..Although I'm not surprised since Adobe had previously announced they were dropping development of Flash for mobile devices.
And yes although my device has Adobe Flash I rarely enable it because it runs like a pig (although it is nice having the option to view websites on my phone just like on my PC).
I'm also against app-ahhrea - all these apps to access the same content as a web browser but with new and improved battery suck background processes.
I would much rather Adobe Flash die and HTML5 start taking foothold but until Adobe announces they are discontinuing Adobe Flash development altogether there will still be a significant amount of Flash websites that won't be usable on mobile devices.
On a side note Microsoft has announced Win 8 / IE10 will have Adobe Flash integrated instead of being an add-on like before. Does anyone know if Win 8 tablets / phones will have Adobe Flash built-in?
I would like one of two things to happen:
1) More websites switch from Adobe to HTML5 rendering Flash as significant as Realplayer.
2) Adobe resuming mobile development of Flash so we have a more efficient and usable version for our mobile devices.
Most websites I frequent have mobile versions which load very fast and I use them most of the time. Sometimes the mobile versions are missing content the full website has so I switch from mobile to desktop view - and I occasionally enable Flash if the website requires it.
But please not another app to access a website!

Flash For Android No More – RIP Adobe Flash Player

In November 2011, Adobe announced that they are halting the development of the Flash Player browser plugin, putting an end to Flash for Android, starting 15th of August. So, starting today, you won’t be able to install the Flash Player from the Google Play Store and those who have it already installed, will find it b...ecome incompatible. If you upgrade your device to a newer version of Android 4.1, the current Flash Player version may exhibit unpredictable behavior. Criticized by Steve Jobs back in 2010, Adobe looks to have withdrawn all support for Flash and has started focused development by embracing HTML5.
If you are concerned about flash used in video playback, Adobe’s blog can help you find some solutions, so you need not worry. Similarly, developers can remain calm because they get access to all the released versions of Flash Player for Android in archives, though updates to them will be nowhere to be found. Putting an end to an era of Flash, we have surpassed a major milestone that revolutionized the wireless devices industry.
I still do not understand the need for adobe to take such a decision :/
Source : BCC News

.xxx. said:
In November 2011, Adobe announced that they are halting the development of the Flash Player browser plugin, putting an end to Flash for Android, starting 15th of August. So, starting today, you won’t be able to install the Flash Player from the Google Play Store and those who have it already installed, will find it b...ecome incompatible. If you upgrade your device to a newer version of Android 4.1, the current Flash Player version may exhibit unpredictable behavior. Criticized by Steve Jobs back in 2010, Adobe looks to have withdrawn all support for Flash and has started focused development by embracing HTML5.
If you are concerned about flash used in video playback, Adobe’s blog can help you find some solutions, so you need not worry. Similarly, developers can remain calm because they get access to all the released versions of Flash Player for Android in archives, though updates to them will be nowhere to be found. Putting an end to an era of Flash, we have surpassed a major milestone that revolutionized the wireless devices industry.
I still do not understand the need for adobe to take such a decision :/
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Donno whether to be sad or happy..Flash dies, but it also signals the rise of HTML5!!

.xxx. said:
In November 2011, Adobe announced that they are halting the development of the Flash Player browser plugin, putting an end to Flash for Android, starting 15th of August. So, starting today, you won’t be able to install the Flash Player from the Google Play Store and those who have it already installed, will find it b...ecome incompatible. If you upgrade your device to a newer version of Android 4.1, the current Flash Player version may exhibit unpredictable behavior. Criticized by Steve Jobs back in 2010, Adobe looks to have withdrawn all support for Flash and has started focused development by embracing HTML5.
If you are concerned about flash used in video playback, Adobe’s blog can help you find some solutions, so you need not worry. Similarly, developers can remain calm because they get access to all the released versions of Flash Player for Android in archives, though updates to them will be nowhere to be found. Putting an end to an era of Flash, we have surpassed a major milestone that revolutionized the wireless devices industry.
I still do not understand the need for adobe to take such a decision :/
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So the only "affected" is whoever uses JellyBean, because the fact that they remove it from the play store does not mean that it can't be installed in other Android versions (see ".apk"s)... Anyway, it's time to support HTML5.

chaitanya91845 said:
Donno whether to be sad or happy..Flash dies, but it also signals the rise of HTML5!!
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Yeah html5 can be an option.
Txask said:
So the only "affected" is whoever uses JellyBean, because the fact that they remove it from the play store does not mean that it can't be installed in other Android versions (see ".apk"s)... Anyway, it's time to support HTML5.
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But the .apks wont support after 4.0.x.. sadly an end to flash player.
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.xxx. said:
But the .apks wont support after 4.0.x.. sadly an end to flash player.
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Who said?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28799533
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Who said?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28799533
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Okay.. that would be pretty great then.
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It works just fine on Jellybean. I have a Gnex running 4.1.1 and I have absolutely no issues in flash. No, it's not in the Android market...but neither are half the apps on my phone, so its not that big a deal.

They're only stopping support for it. That's all. Its still installable, but if a major bug occurs then they're not fixing it.
Its like Windows 95, its still out and you can install it on any machine but they're just not updating it anymore.
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They're only stopping support for it. That's all. Its still installable, but if a major bug occurs then they're not fixing it.
Its like Windows 95, its still out and you can install it on any machine but they're just not updating it anymore.
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Tru but the latter part what you told is something to think about.
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lowandbehold said:
It works just fine on Jellybean. I have a Gnex running 4.1.1 and I have absolutely no issues in flash. No, it's not in the Android market...but neither are half the apps on my phone, so its not that big a deal.
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So, you have installed apps from 3rd party stores ?
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.xxx. said:
So, you have installed apps from 3rd party stores ?
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What do you mean 3rd party stores? The .apk is posted on XDA.

Its still on Google Play, removed from the search results so you need the exact URL, but it still allows you to install from the website and pushes it to your device. I imagine eventually this page will be removed
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.flashplayer

No more flash?
Sounds like apple paid them off if you ask me.

hawk915402 said:
Sounds like apple paid them off if you ask me.
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It surely does.. dunno what crap they are doing. Trying to sue every other comoany that comes in mid of their income.
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Any freaking way is alowed if it isn't against the law

chaki- said:
Any freaking way is alowed if it isn't against the law
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Sometimes what devs do are against law and sometimes it isnt.
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Thanks spunker88 taught i was dead lol youtube app sucks in JB on my asus prime constantly buffering no probs on ics with flash on my amaze
Personally i think the youtube app sucks but that just me be watch a vid through the app and it would keep buffin watch the same vid through a browser on the phone no probs
Thanks again for the apk

Which tablets come with Flash pre-installed?

Hey Everyone,
I can't believe it has come to this but I must be one of the few out there who stupidly spent more than a year reading reviews on tablets. Naturally, I got put off by Asus and Acer's qc issues even though they were putting out some great tablets. Then I got worried about apps crashing or system lock ups and other complaints related to hardware or software.
Finally, now that I'm ready to lay down my cash, Adobe decides to remove Flash from Google Play. I can't speak for anyone else but I need and want Flash. However, here's where things become difficult: if you buy a tablet that's been "certified" to run Flash, it does not mean the oem "pre-installed" the app. But if they did, the user gets a year's worth of updates. You can't get these updates unless your tablet is "certified". If you sideload apk for Flash, you won't get the updates. If you've downloaded the app from Play and your tablet is not "certified", you don't get the updates as well.
Anyway, almost all the Galaxy Tabs are certified, some of the Asus' and Acer's, too. Can anyone tell me, for a fact, if their tablet came with Adobe Flash "pre-installed". Even if your isn't on their certified list, I'd still like to know.
Thanks a lot.

There won't be any more updates. Adobe not only removed it from the Play Store but also stopped development.
So sideloading is your best bet.
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There won't be any more updates. Adobe not only removed it from the Play Store but also stopped development.
So sideloading is your best bet.
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Adobe has a press release or something like it on their site where they specifically state only those tablets that have been certified and have Flash installed will get updates until September 2013.

Will updating to Jellybean affect Flash Player?

My mate purchased a Nexus 7 and it was updated to Jellybean. However he can't use flash now because the creators haven't built it to support anything later than 4.0.x. Will our beloved Notes cease to have flash player too when we finally update? Or is there a work around already in place?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Search around and you can find a apk to install/sideload it yourself so it will work with jb but make sure it's from on here cause there are fakes on the net
Here is the one from the market:
http://db.tt/nVapWrZ1

Thanks mate. Just reading some of the other posts I think it might be because he has chrome which came pre-installed on his nexus. Maybe if I download another browser that might work.
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Yeah chrome doesn't support flash, but most others from the market will support it

Actually, this is because flash has been totally pulled for 4.1 Jelly Bean. This was announced quite a while ago, the talk started about the time of ICS, I think? Not exactly sure when it arose, though.
The reason behind it is simple, though. Flash is out dated. It's actually rather bad because of how buggy it is. Everyone's taking a step away from it now - EVEN Adobe. This has happened due to the power of HTML5. HTML5 fully supports the direct hosting of video and audio components.
I don't know of many places you'd actually need flash. Youtube obviously no longer uses it on their apps (as it's ran by Google. For them to remove flash and totally break one of their biggest internet services is nonsensical.) and the only thing I could think of that you might actually use Flash is if you're doing movie streams. Which, of course, could be problematic.
I'd say you shouldn't try to get flash back. Since it's obsolete and not supported for your device, it will cause some major problems.

Search ..
I saw many different methods to make Flash work on Nexus 7 ..Such as Firefox flash add-on and some other stuffs ..

Search around and you can find a apk to install/sideload it yourself so it will work with jb but make sure it's from on here cause there are fakes on the net
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DJrumbero said:
Search around and you can find a apk to install/sideload it yourself so it will work with jb but make sure it's from on here cause there are fakes on the net
Here is the one from the market:
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As i see on the google, the adobe say they will not support JB for flash any more, its mean these will be no Flash for JB. I try search flash player and sure dont see it in store now. so nightmare

X-Scope browser is the one that I use on my rooted Fire and it's the only one that I have found that works. I backed up my flash player from my ICS phone and installed on tab.
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zaslamel42 said:
Actually, this is because flash has been totally pulled for 4.1 Jelly Bean. This was announced quite a while ago, the talk started about the time of ICS, I think? Not exactly sure when it arose, though.
The reason behind it is simple, though. Flash is out dated. It's actually rather bad because of how buggy it is. Everyone's taking a step away from it now - EVEN Adobe. This has happened due to the power of HTML5. HTML5 fully supports the direct hosting of video and audio components.
I don't know of many places you'd actually need flash. Youtube obviously no longer uses it on their apps (as it's ran by Google. For them to remove flash and totally break one of their biggest internet services is nonsensical.) and the only thing I could think of that you might actually use Flash is if you're doing movie streams. Which, of course, could be problematic.
I'd say you shouldn't try to get flash back. Since it's obsolete and not supported for your device, it will cause some major problems.
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I understand what you are saying, but not everything has not moved away from flash. I agree if you do not use anything that requires it, then don't worry, but there is still a need for Flash. I watch sports on firstrowsports.eu and vipbox.tv on my Fire, rooted with 4.1, and it still requires flash. It is definitely not obsolete, but it is getting there.

jwwiii1982 said:
I understand what you are saying, but not everything has not moved away from flash. I agree if you do not use anything that requires it, then don't worry, but there is still a need for Flash. I watch sports on firstrowsports.eu and vipbox.tv on my Fire, rooted with 4.1, and it still requires flash. It is definitely not obsolete, but it is getting there.
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Agreed. Flash has been around for over a decade. You cant just do away with it in a year or two. I agree that high traffic, constantly updated websites are quickly migrating to html5. But that doesnt account for the thousands if not millions of other sites or practical applications that are still in use. For example, i am in college and often times have to watch video lectures...recorded in flash format. Its going to take alot of time, resources, and money for an html5 implementation of all video lectures across every class in my college that has flash video lectures or other applications. Also think of the flash implementations in the business sector. They are not going to spend the time and money converting so quickly especially when what they currently have in flash still works. I understand the need to move away from flash, but to force ppl the way they are is not going to work. They need do move away but at the same time, keep some backwards compatibility. Instead of releasing newer versions with new features, they only continue to release security updates. In the meantime, they can announce that flash will have an End of Life date set for sometime in the future. This will not only give others time to implement html5 but it will also encourage them to move away from a product that will be expiring and move to its successor.

yes!
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I just got the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 from the AT&T store, kinda a spur of the moment thing, I've been wanting it and just kinda went for it. Got it home and couldn't get First Row Sports to work, website would load but video would not show up. I found the APK file posted in there, that goes down to Adobe Flash 11.1, my phone came with 11.2. Now it seems to work, I get video playing on first row sports. Just on "Link 1", but whenever I try to click the red X to close the very bottom ad, over the Fullscreen and volume buttons, the video just freezes. I have to refresh the window to get the video to play again, and i just don't click on the bottom ad to close it out. Does this happen to anyone else or just me, is there a workaround for that?