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No Adobe Flash for 4.1 - AND No More Play Downloads After Aug 15 for Anyone!!

Wow. This is something else.
Searched but didn't find this posted yet.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/28/adobe-confirms-it-wont-support-flash-on-android-4-1/
And from the horse's mouth...
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/06/flash-player-and-android-update.html

I too read this and became quite alarmed. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. I seriously hate how everyone is pushing apps when a flash equipped browser can handle a lot more in a more efficient way.
So anyway, will there be a solution to this? Will we be able to port flash from ICS to Jellybean? Any input would be greatly appreciated.

google is integrating flash into chrome for android

antwan* said:
I too read this and became quite alarmed. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. I seriously hate how everyone is pushing apps when a flash equipped browser can handle a lot more in a more efficient way.
So anyway, will there be a solution to this? Will we be able to port flash from ICS to Jellybean? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Not entirely true.. flash on mobile device doesn't perform as well as their desktop counterpart.. beside, who would use flash on mobile anyway? Play flash games? Proof that android is superior to iOS? That's just silly..
I'm not offending Apple.. they're right, HTML5 is a much efficient way to deliver content on websites.. it'll save time, money and effort for web designers..
About the port, i think it's very possible.. someone could try pull the flash player from ics and install it on JB..
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We can always sideload it, the current version works in JB. Flash will be phased out and replaced with HTML5 eventually anyway

I've just backed up the latest Flash APK to Dropbox... you know..just in case
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Actually it says in the final two paragraphs of their blog that adobe won't support flash but that developers will be able to download unsupported versions, obviously not updated of course.
But yes it is true chrome on 4.1 will also not support flash. But of course we can do as ios users have to and use browsers that do support flash.
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- Swift - said:
I've just backed up the latest Flash APK to Dropbox... you know..just in case
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Isnt that a form of pirating? (Gotta admit though, When my phone was fast, I was able to sideload apps, Now its acting weird, very laggy)

OptimusLove said:
Isnt that a form of pirating? (Gotta admit though, When my phone was fast, I was able to sideload apps, Now its acting weird, very laggy)
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Flash 11 is free?
And plus, its a system app on my phone so...
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I fail to see why this is a big deal. Flash has been on its way out the door even in the desktop realm for a while now.
- Swift - said:
I've just backed up the latest Flash APK to Dropbox... you know..just in case
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Seems a little unnecessary as Adobe themselves said all the released versions will be available from them.

deathsled said:
I fail to see why this is a big deal. Flash has been on its way out the door even in the desktop realm for a while now.
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It's a big deal because there are still many websites that are flash based.
Way back when, the main reason I upgraded from a MT3G, to 4G was so I could access those sites. Now I'm back where I started until all those companies redesign their websites.
What Adobe should be doing is immediately discontinuing Flash updates and support for ALL platforms, which would force everyone to immediately redesign their sites instead of leaving mobile users out in the cold.
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I always have flash turned off on my phone anyway.
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Kind of weird that people are taking it somewhat lightly. I always heard android users claiming that it's one of the things that out-shinned the iPhone.

nuclearbroccoli said:
It's a big deal because there are still many websites that are flash based.
Way back when, the main reason I upgraded from a MT3G, to 4G was so I could access those sites. Now I'm back where I started until all those companies redesign their websites.
What Adobe should be doing is immediately discontinuing Flash updates and support for ALL platforms, which would force everyone to immediately redesign their sites instead of leaving mobile users out in the cold.
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I couldn't agree more. People are always quick to say, "oh but flash is dead, blah blah, you don't need flash, it sucks on mobile"
I'd like to remind everyone that the needs of one are not the needs of all. Many sites unfortunately still rely on Flash, and not being able to have a device that can access such content is frankly limiting. If I wanted to be limited I'd be on iOS or Windows Phone. Now I'm not saying Android reigns superior to all, of course it has it's faults but it does provide a lot of utility and freedom.
I would love if everyone was on HTML5 and Flash was no more. However that is not the reality. We're in the year 2012 and our mobile OS's are capable of so much, we have quad core equipped devices with 2 GB of DDR3 RAM. So to say Flash doesn't work is not the case anymore. Flash works incredibly well.
While Apps might be convenient for some things, they can't replace everything in the web. Also it's not very ideal to have to download and bog down our devices with countless of apps to replace the functionality of what can already be achieved with a Flash equipped browser. What Flash equipped mobile devices did was make people paranoid that people wouldn't purchase as many Apps from an App Market. So frankly, I'm disappointed that Adobe caved and killed off Flash for mobile devices. Also XDA is where people come to be freed of mass consumerism and root and hack their devices and come up with solutions to walled garden implementations incorporated by companies aiming to sell dumbed down versions of what their OS can really accomplish, in order to sell to the mases; so it's a bit upsetting that I need to make this argument because some people are content or can't see Flash work for them.

PharmCAT said:
Kind of weird that people are taking it somewhat lightly. I always heard android users claiming that it's one of the things that out-shinned the iPhone.
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I guess Adobe want an end to people fighting over platforms/OSs.

nuclearbroccoli said:
It's a big deal because there are still many websites that are flash based.
Way back when, the main reason I upgraded from a MT3G, to 4G was so I could access those sites. Now I'm back where I started until all those companies redesign their websites.
What Adobe should be doing is immediately discontinuing Flash updates and support for ALL platforms, which would force everyone to immediately redesign their sites instead of leaving mobile users out in the cold.
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Agreed. Granted that not a lot of websites *depend* on flash to work, but when you do come across one that uses flash, it's certainly nice to be able to use the whole website.
Even just a "current version" with nothing but security and bug fixes would seem like a goo idea, not just cut dry...

Why dont we create a petition to resume Flash development for Android?

HTML5 won)) As Jobs said

smile_ppl said:
Why dont we create a petition to resume Flash development for Android?
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Too many petitions already
1. Windows Phone dilemma( about 1000 of them)
2. Apple and the Nexus( about 100 of them)

Mixed feelings..Although I'm not surprised since Adobe had previously announced they were dropping development of Flash for mobile devices.
And yes although my device has Adobe Flash I rarely enable it because it runs like a pig (although it is nice having the option to view websites on my phone just like on my PC).
I'm also against app-ahhrea - all these apps to access the same content as a web browser but with new and improved battery suck background processes.
I would much rather Adobe Flash die and HTML5 start taking foothold but until Adobe announces they are discontinuing Adobe Flash development altogether there will still be a significant amount of Flash websites that won't be usable on mobile devices.
On a side note Microsoft has announced Win 8 / IE10 will have Adobe Flash integrated instead of being an add-on like before. Does anyone know if Win 8 tablets / phones will have Adobe Flash built-in?
I would like one of two things to happen:
1) More websites switch from Adobe to HTML5 rendering Flash as significant as Realplayer.
2) Adobe resuming mobile development of Flash so we have a more efficient and usable version for our mobile devices.
Most websites I frequent have mobile versions which load very fast and I use them most of the time. Sometimes the mobile versions are missing content the full website has so I switch from mobile to desktop view - and I occasionally enable Flash if the website requires it.
But please not another app to access a website!

Adobe flash player no longer on Google play ... What's next ?

I have it installed on my SR..But what if I factory reset my device ? how can I get it again ? I can not see it's dead by now !
What's your impression ?

If you have TiBu, back up the apk... reinstall it any time you want.

DoctorQMM said:
If you have TiBu, back up the apk... reinstall it any time you want.
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As with all things Adobe (especially flash), eventually it will become a significant security risk.

Adobe will still provide updates to phones that still have it installed (hence the TiBu), but it is unavailable as of Wednesday the 15th, I think, for any new phone.
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It's still available, they're just not updating it...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.flashplayer&hl=en

flash was dying anyways and this was announced a year ago. Time to embrace the future that is is HTML5. Speaking of HTML5, the new Dolphin browser beta is awesome. Theres an xda thread for it but they they added it to the play store yesterday.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dolphin.browser.lab.en

Thanks for the link. If you search the store adobe flash doesn't come up.
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I would love to embrace html5 but may sites are still flash based.
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nxdark said:
I would love to embrace html5 but may sites are still flash based.
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So, *embrace* HTML5 and continue to use Flash based websites until they eventually migrate away from Flash. Backup and keep a version of the APK on your SD card or save it on your computer in case you need to reset the phone. Flash isn't dead yet.. it will be on life support for another couple of years before it vanishes completely.

security risk
If it isn't being updated then its going to be leaving you vulnerable to malware and spyware. I work in network security and quite frankly most vulnerabilities are flash based, even when its up to date. Just fyi

mhowland24 said:
If it isn't being updated then its going to be leaving you vulnerable to malware and spyware. I work in network security and quite frankly most vulnerabilities are flash based, even when its up to date. Just fyi
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This is true. A lot of the latest used exploits have been vulnerabilities found within Adobe Flash player.

I thought JB came with html5 support that's why they were removing flash.
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JellyBean keeping Adobe flash

I know my update to 4.1.1 on my Asus TF300T kept the original stock browser along with flash ran into this article that says the Siii will keep flash that Samsung and Adobe are supporting it.
http://m.christianpost.com/news/android-4-1-jellybean-will-not-remove-flash-from-galaxy-s3-80268/

amebiasis said:
I know my update to 4.1.1 on my Asus TF300T kept the original stock browser along with flash ran into this article that says the Siii will keep flash that Samsung and Adobe are supporting it.
http://m.christianpost.com/news/android-4-1-jellybean-will-not-remove-flash-from-galaxy-s3-80268/
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interesting???

With just Samsung and Adobe holding on does it matter?
Sites are still going to want to move to HTML5 and anything else but flash, they're not going to stick with it because some Samsung devices support it and cause complications / shaft everyone else.

I'm surprised to hear this. I thought Flash can't be downloaded anymore on Android so I'm surprised to learn it's still going to be supported at all.

Flash in Jelly Bean
rednukleus said:
I'm surprised to hear this. I thought Flash can't be downloaded anymore on Android so I'm surprised to learn it's still going to be supported at all.
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If you go to Google play on your phone it can be problematic. However ( if you have a "compatible device") you can go to google play on a computer, and PUSH it to your device, as I did for my ASUS TF700.

duxup said:
With just Samsung and Adobe holding on does it matter?
Sites are still going to want to move to HTML5 and anything else but flash, they're not going to stick with it because some Samsung devices support it and cause complications / shaft everyone else.
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For now it matters. Yes, sites are going to HTML 5, but they won't all get there overnight. I think it's a little early to pull the plug on supporting Flash.
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I was pretty sure adobe had already announced that they were going to continue to support it by providing security updates and such but you could no longer download it straight from the play store.

duxup said:
With just Samsung and Adobe holding on does it matter?
Sites are still going to want to move to HTML5 and anything else but flash, they're not going to stick with it because some Samsung devices support it and cause complications / shaft everyone else.
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Yes because if you expect every single Site on the entire Internet to get re-encoded to embedded html5 video you are about as crazy as Steve Jobs.
Flash is quick, dirty, and will play on a Windows 98 machine with ie5 installed.
Try doing that with html5.
Don't get me wrong, flash us a huge pain. It can get buggy, hogs resources to use, and is not as pretty, but once again, flash will remain as a legacy format around the Web in much the same way quicktime is still stuck in sites circa 1999...
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You can still get the apk from adobe too.

but it's pointless becuase flash isn't power efficient and does not fully comfortable for andorid OS

My feelings are that while it is a legacy program its still worth having even if its just set to tap to use because you never know when your going to come across a web site that doesnt use HTML5

Which tablets come with Flash pre-installed?

Hey Everyone,
I can't believe it has come to this but I must be one of the few out there who stupidly spent more than a year reading reviews on tablets. Naturally, I got put off by Asus and Acer's qc issues even though they were putting out some great tablets. Then I got worried about apps crashing or system lock ups and other complaints related to hardware or software.
Finally, now that I'm ready to lay down my cash, Adobe decides to remove Flash from Google Play. I can't speak for anyone else but I need and want Flash. However, here's where things become difficult: if you buy a tablet that's been "certified" to run Flash, it does not mean the oem "pre-installed" the app. But if they did, the user gets a year's worth of updates. You can't get these updates unless your tablet is "certified". If you sideload apk for Flash, you won't get the updates. If you've downloaded the app from Play and your tablet is not "certified", you don't get the updates as well.
Anyway, almost all the Galaxy Tabs are certified, some of the Asus' and Acer's, too. Can anyone tell me, for a fact, if their tablet came with Adobe Flash "pre-installed". Even if your isn't on their certified list, I'd still like to know.
Thanks a lot.

There won't be any more updates. Adobe not only removed it from the Play Store but also stopped development.
So sideloading is your best bet.
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gagdude said:
There won't be any more updates. Adobe not only removed it from the Play Store but also stopped development.
So sideloading is your best bet.
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Adobe has a press release or something like it on their site where they specifically state only those tablets that have been certified and have Flash installed will get updates until September 2013.

Will updating to Jellybean affect Flash Player?

My mate purchased a Nexus 7 and it was updated to Jellybean. However he can't use flash now because the creators haven't built it to support anything later than 4.0.x. Will our beloved Notes cease to have flash player too when we finally update? Or is there a work around already in place?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Search around and you can find a apk to install/sideload it yourself so it will work with jb but make sure it's from on here cause there are fakes on the net
Here is the one from the market:
http://db.tt/nVapWrZ1

Thanks mate. Just reading some of the other posts I think it might be because he has chrome which came pre-installed on his nexus. Maybe if I download another browser that might work.
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Yeah chrome doesn't support flash, but most others from the market will support it

Actually, this is because flash has been totally pulled for 4.1 Jelly Bean. This was announced quite a while ago, the talk started about the time of ICS, I think? Not exactly sure when it arose, though.
The reason behind it is simple, though. Flash is out dated. It's actually rather bad because of how buggy it is. Everyone's taking a step away from it now - EVEN Adobe. This has happened due to the power of HTML5. HTML5 fully supports the direct hosting of video and audio components.
I don't know of many places you'd actually need flash. Youtube obviously no longer uses it on their apps (as it's ran by Google. For them to remove flash and totally break one of their biggest internet services is nonsensical.) and the only thing I could think of that you might actually use Flash is if you're doing movie streams. Which, of course, could be problematic.
I'd say you shouldn't try to get flash back. Since it's obsolete and not supported for your device, it will cause some major problems.

Search ..
I saw many different methods to make Flash work on Nexus 7 ..Such as Firefox flash add-on and some other stuffs ..

Search around and you can find a apk to install/sideload it yourself so it will work with jb but make sure it's from on here cause there are fakes on the net
Here is the one from the market:
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DJrumbero said:
Search around and you can find a apk to install/sideload it yourself so it will work with jb but make sure it's from on here cause there are fakes on the net
Here is the one from the market:
http://db.tt/nVapWrZ1
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As i see on the google, the adobe say they will not support JB for flash any more, its mean these will be no Flash for JB. I try search flash player and sure dont see it in store now. so nightmare

X-Scope browser is the one that I use on my rooted Fire and it's the only one that I have found that works. I backed up my flash player from my ICS phone and installed on tab.
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zaslamel42 said:
Actually, this is because flash has been totally pulled for 4.1 Jelly Bean. This was announced quite a while ago, the talk started about the time of ICS, I think? Not exactly sure when it arose, though.
The reason behind it is simple, though. Flash is out dated. It's actually rather bad because of how buggy it is. Everyone's taking a step away from it now - EVEN Adobe. This has happened due to the power of HTML5. HTML5 fully supports the direct hosting of video and audio components.
I don't know of many places you'd actually need flash. Youtube obviously no longer uses it on their apps (as it's ran by Google. For them to remove flash and totally break one of their biggest internet services is nonsensical.) and the only thing I could think of that you might actually use Flash is if you're doing movie streams. Which, of course, could be problematic.
I'd say you shouldn't try to get flash back. Since it's obsolete and not supported for your device, it will cause some major problems.
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I understand what you are saying, but not everything has not moved away from flash. I agree if you do not use anything that requires it, then don't worry, but there is still a need for Flash. I watch sports on firstrowsports.eu and vipbox.tv on my Fire, rooted with 4.1, and it still requires flash. It is definitely not obsolete, but it is getting there.

jwwiii1982 said:
I understand what you are saying, but not everything has not moved away from flash. I agree if you do not use anything that requires it, then don't worry, but there is still a need for Flash. I watch sports on firstrowsports.eu and vipbox.tv on my Fire, rooted with 4.1, and it still requires flash. It is definitely not obsolete, but it is getting there.
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Agreed. Flash has been around for over a decade. You cant just do away with it in a year or two. I agree that high traffic, constantly updated websites are quickly migrating to html5. But that doesnt account for the thousands if not millions of other sites or practical applications that are still in use. For example, i am in college and often times have to watch video lectures...recorded in flash format. Its going to take alot of time, resources, and money for an html5 implementation of all video lectures across every class in my college that has flash video lectures or other applications. Also think of the flash implementations in the business sector. They are not going to spend the time and money converting so quickly especially when what they currently have in flash still works. I understand the need to move away from flash, but to force ppl the way they are is not going to work. They need do move away but at the same time, keep some backwards compatibility. Instead of releasing newer versions with new features, they only continue to release security updates. In the meantime, they can announce that flash will have an End of Life date set for sometime in the future. This will not only give others time to implement html5 but it will also encourage them to move away from a product that will be expiring and move to its successor.

yes!
DJrumbero said:
Search around and you can find a apk to install/sideload it yourself so it will work with jb but make sure it's from on here cause there are fakes on the
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I just got the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 from the AT&T store, kinda a spur of the moment thing, I've been wanting it and just kinda went for it. Got it home and couldn't get First Row Sports to work, website would load but video would not show up. I found the APK file posted in there, that goes down to Adobe Flash 11.1, my phone came with 11.2. Now it seems to work, I get video playing on first row sports. Just on "Link 1", but whenever I try to click the red X to close the very bottom ad, over the Fullscreen and volume buttons, the video just freezes. I have to refresh the window to get the video to play again, and i just don't click on the bottom ad to close it out. Does this happen to anyone else or just me, is there a workaround for that?