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I am about to buy a Transformer Infinity. I know why I WANT to buy it, but I thought I'll Ask some owners for reasons for why I would NOT want to buy it
I am a crazy customizer and a power user always trying to push the limits.
I currently own a Optimus Black, a phone no one (even LG) cares about...
How popular is the TF700? Will I get support? Roms? What about ASUS Custoomer service?
Thx in Advance
Pankaja13 said:
I am about to buy a Transformer Infinity. I know why I WANT to buy it, but I thought I'll Ask some owners for reasons for why I would NOT want to buy it
I am a crazy customizer and a power user always trying to push the limits.
I currently own a Optimus Black, a phone no one (even LG) cares about...
How popular is the TF700? Will I get support? Roms? What about ASUS Custoomer service?
Thx in Advance
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The Infinity is still relatively new, but there is already quite a bit of development going on with it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1665
As far as official support, such as bug fixes or updates, Asus generally seems to be better and at least faster to get updates out than other manufacturers.
Customer support, however, is a different matter. I haven't dealt with Asus support directly, but there are ample reports about it's horrible quality. For example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1830473&highlight=asus+support
Likewise, Asus' quality control is pretty lax. There are a lot of tablets with issues that never should have passed standard QA checks.
Another related note: they also seem to be selling rebranded TF201 docks as "new" TF700 docks: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1810592&highlight=tf700+dock
All things considered though, I'm happy with the Infinity overall. I will accompany that with the caveat that I am in fact getting a replacement for my Infinity and dock from Amazon due to some dust under my screen in a very annoying location (right in the center) and because some keys on the dock started registering incorrectly.
Its a good tablet, but its not without its flaws. I'd still pick one up, as Asus is very good about software updates and our dev community is starting to ramp up so we'll get our custom roms.
Some issues that people have had:
-Quality control is very hit or miss
-You're going to have light bleed. Most tablets have it light enough that its only noticeable while booting though, once in Android it goes away.
-Internal flash storage is relatively slow, causing some occasional performance hiccups. If the Prime is any indication, custom roms will easily work around the issue.
-Asus's tech support staff are complete crap that'll insist on RMAing your device even for the most trivial issues.
-Some devices wont receive updates or unlock their bootloader, although in most cases both start working after a few weeks.
Just make sure you get one that's physically well built, and you should like it.
Thank you very much
I was also considering the iPad 3 because I'm yet to see an iOS device lag....
but I swore I would NEVER buy apple
What do you thing is a better option?
You have the the Wifi version of the Infinity, right? Is there a big difference in performance?
Thx again
I'd wait a while
My advice...
If possible wait before buying.
Don't jump in like I did.
I did get a later non buggy Infinity that has no build problems.
The performance of the tablet is what I would say is stellar compared to most of the previous incarnations.
Yet there is competition on the horizon that just might blow the Infinity out of the water.
I ran out and bought the Acer A700 because it was the latest thing and ended up severely disappointed.
So then I jumped over to the Infinity and have been pleased.
If you are a true blue power user\tinkerer the Asus may be good, yet you may be much happier with a later model
10 inch tab that ships with android 4.1 jellybean.
I'll bet the hardware in the upcoming tabs will give the 'ole iPad a real run for the finish line.
As far as the this or that choice...to me it boils down to an OS preference.
I wouldn't make sense for anyone on here to recommend apple over droid.
Probably best to not even bring it up...
I have a Asus Prime currently in limbo between Asus and FEDEX for about a month now trying to get it replaced. Long story short. Prime broke (poor quality), sent it to texas service center. 1/2 week later got it back. Service center screwed up the packing, FEDEX destroyed my tablet on delivery. Submitted and claim, 30 days later still waiting. Got tired of waiting, bought the infinity.
Asus seems to have learned their lessons from the Prime, so for me the Infinity works like what I expected the prime to be. Flawless.
If you're into customization and tinkering then this is the tablet for you. The only negative I have to say is Asus as a company they are very schizophrenic. They seem to have good customer support, their response time is good, they are polite and they want to do right by the customer but the end result is unsatisfactory. The Prime should have been recalled, but instead they released band aids to problems that only made things worst. But they tried to do good for the customer. Which is why I ended up buying another Asus product. I just hope I don't come to regret my decision later on.
There's not that many options right now anyways, if you want the most powerful tablet released you either get the ipad 3 or the infinity. My vote is on the infinity, just make sure you get insurance.
Thank you very much for your help guys just a few more things...
I will be using this a lot for school work. Is it sensitive enough for handwriting? Can I use a fine tipped stylus like the HandStylus (http://handstylus.com/) ?
Also is there a considerable drop in Performance in the 3G version compared to the Wifi version?
Thank you very much
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Thank you very much for your help guys just a few more things...
I will be using this a lot for school work. Is it sensitive enough for handwriting? Can I use a fine tipped stylus like the HandStylus (http://handstylus.com/) ?
Also is there a considerable drop in Performance in the 3G version compared to the Wifi version?
Thank you very much
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Yes its very sensitive. The digitizer on the Infinity is really good. Regarding the HandStylus, I don't see why it shouldn't work. It looks like a normal capacitive stylus with just a smaller tip. As far as the 3g version I don't believe its out on the market yet.
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I will be using this a lot for school work.
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I use my Infinity for quite a bit of work. One thing I found is that I use the device docked with the keyboard more than I do as an actual tablet. When sitting at a table or even on the couch I'm able to bang out e-mail, XLS files or word docs with little or no effort. Even when not using the keyboard, just having it there gives a very stable stand to hold the device in a comfortable position. I'm not even considering a sleeve anymore to protect the device, since just folding the keyboard up will protect the screen. Honestly, I didn't think I would use it this way... figured they dock was going to be a novelty accessory. It has truly transformed (pun intended) this thing into something that is really productive. Not sure what kind of school work you will be using your tablet for, but this is something you might want to consider.
I own one and I think it's great.. I honestly can't think of a reason why you shouldn't get it.. In addition, there are plenty of stable OS that you can put on the tablet once you root it; plus, you have more options you can enact on the tablet, which wouldn't be possible on the iPad.
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I use my Infinity for quite a bit of work. One thing I found is that I use the device docked with the keyboard more than I do as an actual tablet. When sitting at a table or even on the couch I'm able to bang out e-mail, XLS files or word docs with little or no effort. Even when not using the keyboard, just having it there gives a very stable stand to hold the device in a comfortable position. I'm not even considering a sleeve anymore to protect the device, since just folding the keyboard up will protect the screen. Honestly, I didn't think I would use it this way... figured they dock was going to be a novelty accessory. It has truly transformed (pun intended) this thing into something that is really productive. Not sure what kind of school work you will be using your tablet for, but this is something you might want to consider.
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I second Garys opinion. My transformer has become my sole computing device at home, with my desktop being used as a file storage.
The keyboard dock is essential for school.
FWIW, I finally bought a gray Infinity after being without my OG Transformer since last AUG and tiring of the wait for a champagne unit. (Tried a Prime for about 36 hours -- it was such a POS that I returned it for a refund.) The gray Infinity has been in production long enough to work out assembly issues, if Asus plans to correct them at all.
I bought from Amazon, which has excellent customer service and return policies. I should receive the unit today. If there are build issues, I'll exchange no more than twice (which, not coincidentally, is the limit of Amazon's exchange policy). If I can't find a good unit among three, I'll just return it and wait for the Samsung P10 or a Surface tab.
Heck, if the P10 is as killer as specs suggest, I'll probably eBay the Infinity anyway. But I've done without a tablet for so long -- and the keyboard dock for my Droid Bionic is a poor substitute -- that I gotta try something.
Pankaja13 said:
Thank you very much
I was also considering the iPad 3 because I'm yet to see an iOS device lag....
but I swore I would NEVER buy apple
What do you thing is a better option?
You have the the Wifi version of the Infinity, right? Is there a big difference in performance?
Thx again
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If you want to be conformed to a cookie cutter device, and have a dictatorial company tell you what you want, need, and desire
While controlling you with an iron fist, by all means, get iPad 3.
If you are your own unique person who can decide what you want on your own, I strongly suggest a lil green robot.
Pankaja13 said:
Thank you very much
I was also considering the iPad 3 because I'm yet to see an iOS device lag....
but I swore I would NEVER buy apple
What do you thing is a better option?
You have the the Wifi version of the Infinity, right? Is there a big difference in performance?
Thx again
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I first tried the tf300 because it has the jb update but went to the infinity for its display. Once it gets jb you won't see lag any longer with it. I also tried the new ipad but returned it quickly, ios just too boring for me.
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If you want to be conformed to a cookie cutter device, and have a dictatorial company tell you what you want, need, and desire
While controlling you with an iron fist, by all means, get iPad 3.
If you are your own unique person who can decide what you want on your own, I strongly suggest a lil green robot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself :highfive:
donharden2002 said:
I first tried the tf300 because it has the jb update but went to the infinity for its display. Once it gets jb you won't see lag any longer with it. I also tried the new ipad but returned it quickly, ios just too boring for me.
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Same. You can change the wallpaper and that's it.
Big thanks to everyone who helped, but you can only press the "Thanks" button once
I've had some trouble trying to find it in South Asia... guess I'll have to wait a bit longer
I sold my galaxy note 10.1 for buying the infinity. It wasnt any problems with the note. I read alot, and i find the resolution is a major let down for me. The screen have a superb quality on images, but on text its not quite good as a high resolution screen.
Ive followed a bit on this forum. Seems like this pad got so many problems. Are you satisfied with your infinty? Should I wait for the next pad?
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I sold my galaxy note 10.1 for buying the infinity. It wasnt any problems with the note. I read alot, and i find the resolution is a major let down for me. The screen have a superb quality on images, but on text its not quite good as a high resolution screen.
Ive followed a bit on this forum. Seems like this pad got so many problems. Are you satisfied with your infinty? Should I wait for the next pad?
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I would wait now after I know better..
Probably would wait that Samsung brings some high res non plastic out. Asus has lost my confidence in them
I love it.
I bought mine 5 weeks ago and have no regrets. I use it every day. Even though there are some problems, they aren't show-stoppers. The Infinity is, in my book, still the best tablet. The issues will be ironed out - if not by Asus, then by our own developers. If you're OCD and your tablet has to be perfect, keep looking... check back in the next month or two and see how the TF700 is with Jelly Bean. I'm enjoying the heck out of mine and love knowing that it'll only get better and better. Just my 2 cents.
You get a FHD screen and dock. You also get less stability and some questionable design choices with the terrible ssd nand and below average battery life due to the tegra 3 and fhd screen. Apple had the sense to use a better dedicated gpu and almost double the battery size for the fhd screen.
The tf700 does a lot of things fine but it has been a trial in patience. My tf300 had much better performance. The tf700 should've had an upgraded gpu, battery, and sad. It got none if these things. They seemed to spend all their time fixing the mistakes of the prime and did not anticipate issues with introducing a fhd screen.
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007shaolin said:
I sold my galaxy note 10.1 for buying the infinity. It wasnt any problems with the note. I read alot, and i find the resolution is a major let down for me. The screen have a superb quality on images, but on text its not quite good as a high resolution screen.
Ive followed a bit on this forum. Seems like this pad got so many problems. Are you satisfied with your infinty? Should I wait for the next pad?
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I chose the Infinity over the Note for the same reason, the FHD and the fact I read a lot. I am satisfied with it. You're in a good position now to decide this for yourself since the issues are mostly known already. I've not had quality issues, so far, but performance is lower than that of the Note. Would I still buy it again today? Yes, I think so. I upgraded from a Nook Color (on CM7) and since getting the Infinity I've been spending a ton of hours on it and enjoy it so much that I can't see myself returning it and just waiting (or going with lower res). If you have another tablet you're OK with as a stop gap then maybe wait, if not then go for it and enjoy it. In 2 years time we're likely to upgrade anyway and it's not like it's a pain to use now, it's just not as perfect as one would hope from a flagship product.
Another option is to wait for JB and decide then, that is if you feel you can't stomach the current reported performance / stability issues (which I seldom come across personally).
Go for it! Don't worry about the reports of the "horrible SSD", etc - the tablet runs fine... Some people put way too much stock in benchmark results.
The majority of users don't have 2gb files downloading in the background while trying to do other work, so the "SSD slowness" isn't even noticeable for most people.
Jelly Bean is supposed to be released very soon as well, so that should also boost performance. I have a Nexus 7, which is also manufactured by Asus (with the same "horrible" SSD) and it runs beautifully. I expect the TF700 performance to be similar to the Nexus 7 with Jelly Bean...
I would, however, recommend buying at a local retailer if possible - Asus quality control has been really bad on the TF700, so there is a chance that you may need to exchange it once or twice before getting a "good" one...
Besides, if you find you don't like it, you can always return it....
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CandyAndy said:
I would wait now after I know better..
Probably would wait that Samsung brings some high res non plastic out. Asus has lost my confidence in them
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Feel the same way, Infinity might be Aluminum but it's made so terribly with the separating glass and cheap internal memory that is believed to be the reason this, otherwise great tablet, has i/o issues.
Just get it! The more you read the more you let others control your thinking and provides the haters sway your thinking. Unless that's what your looking for, its a great tablet. I love the keyboard combo and battery life is superb for someone that watches movies and shows daily. FULL HD is a must! Super IPS+ can't be beat. I rarely have to charge my tablet either. Now that Jelly Bean is confirmed, its even more appealing now then ever. Just go for it. Buy it at Best Buy so you'll have 30 days to decide.
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I'm not a hater, I'm just saying the Infinity could be better than it is and I think it's worth waiting for something else. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the tab especially now with browser2ram but it's definitely got a LOT of issues.
The biggest annoyance is that I have to restart the tab almost daily if I want to play Dead Trigger, also Asus left out the drivers for the PS3 controller so you NEED to root if you want to use one over bluetooth as opposed to every other ics device. The battery should have been bigger, I've drained it in sub 4 hours before from 100 to 3% playing Jelly Defense. Granted, that's a lot of Jelly Defense but it should last longer than that. The i/o issues is the biggest thing, browsing on this tab with Chrome is unbearable at best. Two things make it a lot better to browse on, Dolphin Pad beta and the browser2ram apk although the latter of which only works with the default browser.
Again, I don't hate the Infinity and I enjoy using it everyday but it cost a good amount of money and it's frustrating that Asus cut corners and it shows. Asus customer service also seems like it leaves a lot to be desired.
Somehow i feel like I shouldn't sell my note. It has absolute no problems. no lag, no hickups, no force close, fast browser, a very good pen, it made of plastic but feels very solid, i accidental dropped it once and it got no scratches, no damages where made. Man i wish samsung made a tablet with hd+ screen.
Btw, I bought the infinity over internet, the store got 45 days with full right to return if you are not satisfied. Finger cross that this tablet wont make any problem for me.
Re: Some of the points brought up here.
Battery life: From my perspective, this thing has fantastic battery life. I manage my resources pretty well, though. With the dock, it goes into unprecedented territory, I can use the system all day long on a full dock+tab charge.
Usage: If your primary application is reading, I don't think you're going to see many problems in the way of stability and you will find the screen wonderful and highly usable.
Stability: This is a tough one. If you want something that is super stable without any maintenance/tweaking/learning, yes, look elsewhere. My system as I have configured it only really has frequent problems with 3D games and that is due to a kernel graphics driver bug that has a fix coming out with the next OS update (so I am hopeful this one last issue will be fixed). Using this tab as a daily driver, I do not really have any major issues at this point, it's as stable and usable as any other android device I have owned except for the gaming problem.
Storage: The slow RAM everyone is complaining about here is nand flash that functions like a virtual hard disk. The actual system memory is perfectly functional dynamic RAM. The end result of this is that sometimes, this slow "disk" will act as a bottleneck and make the entire tab slow down. Honestly, the only time I see much of this is when running benchmarks, LOL. My ADHD is not so bad that I want to throw the tablet against a wall if there is a 300 millisecond pause when performing some operation. So, yeah, I DO think this is a weakness and a poor design choice by ASUS' engineers but in practice it is rarely a real world issue for me.
QA: Some folks have had some legitimately serious issues but I think a huge majority of the stuff that is cited here could have been mitigated by buying at a brick and mortar store with a decent return policy. I have not seen any hardware defect on the tablets I have owned that could not be indentified and exchanged within a 24 hour period. On a forum where people are coming to look for help, you're going to hear the horror stories so while I feel sorry for these folks I do not think some of these issues are super high frequency.
If you don't have that kind of safety net available in your purchasing situation, then, yes, I would be concerned about physical defects in a TF tab and would recommend avoiding one. But if you are able to buy it at a decent place like Best Buy, etc, you will find a good one and you will not get burned by this with the caveat that you may have to be patient enough to evaluate/inspect and return one.
Bottom Line: It's a great tab, the dock is amazing, the screen is glorious, the CPU is ridiculously fast. It has some minor stability issues that require a bit of learning configuring tweaking. It has slow I/O that can sometimes unnecessarily throttle the CPU, so if you are going to download torrents or surf high bandwidth adult web sites it may not be for you LOL . Since ASUS QA has been weak I would also only recommend purchasing in a situation where an exchange can be handled easily.
FWIW, there's no tab out right now I would trade it for.
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I'm not a hater, I'm just saying the Infinity could be better than it is and I think it's worth waiting for something else. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the tab especially now with browser2ram but it's definitely got a LOT of issues.
The biggest annoyance is that I have to restart the tab almost daily if I want to play Dead Trigger, also Asus left out the drivers for the PS3 controller so you NEED to root if you want to use one over bluetooth as opposed to every other ics device. The battery should have been bigger, I've drained it in sub 4 hours before from 100 to 3% playing Jelly Defense. Granted, that's a lot of Jelly Defense but it should last longer than that. The i/o issues is the biggest thing, browsing on this tab with Chrome is unbearable at best. Two things make it a lot better to browse on, Dolphin Pad beta and the browser2ram apk although the latter of which only works with the default browser.
Again, I don't hate the Infinity and I enjoy using it everyday but it cost a good amount of money and it's frustrating that Asus cut corners and it shows. Asus customer service also seems like it leaves a lot to be desired.
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That's good your not a hater. Honestly every tablet you will come across will have issues. NOTE, IPADS, TRANSFORMERS. I can also sit here and advise others to wait for the next best thing but that kind of mentality will just prevent you from enjoying the now. The now is the Infinity.
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I also just returned my Note 10.1 for the Infinity. I really liked the Note for the s-pen and all, but I quickly found that i never used it for what it was for. For me the tablet is a consumption device and to be used as a mobile solution for my online classes. The Infinity does this very well, and the screen resolution is more noticeable than i expected.
So far very happy with the Infinity.
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That's good your not a hater. Honestly every tablet you will come across will have issues. NOTE, IPADS, TRANSFORMERS. I can also sit here and advise others to wait for the next best thing but that kind of mentality will just prevent you from enjoying the now. The now is the Infinity.
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I'm aware you could sit and always be waiting for the next best thing and that thing will never come. I just think, now knowing Asus cheaped out, it's worth waiting for something else. Maybe Jelly Bean will fix a lot of the issues I have with this thing and my opinion will change, not sure. I hope it does
Having said all of that, the screen does kick an insurmountable amount of ass. It's just downright gorgeous.
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I sold my galaxy note 10.1 for buying the infinity. It wasnt any problems with the note. I read alot, and i find the resolution is a major let down for me. The screen have a superb quality on images, but on text its not quite good as a high resolution screen.
Ive followed a bit on this forum. Seems like this pad got so many problems. Are you satisfied with your infinty? Should I wait for the next pad?
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I had Galaxy note for 3 weeks and returned it for Infinity. I had infinity before note... and essentially came back because of screen resolution.
If you can wait, you should wait. Simply as others said, longer you wait better system always show up. That's the world of technology. But I doubt nothing that replace Infinity in next a few months for following reasons:
1. Samsung - Just released Note. If they release the higher resolution tablet or even announce about higher resolution tablet within next couple months, that is horrible thing as they will lose its own sales from Note and upset consumer who purchased one. Not only Note, but also they have Windows 8 tablet coming in end of October with high resolution screen but price tag of $1100+. So again, I don't think they want to compete with that either.
2. ASUS - Similar story. They just released infinity and probably purposely made upcoming Windows 8 tablet HD screen rather than FHD, so they won't compete with Infinity. And therefore, again highly doubtful they will be releasing anything new that is complete superior to the infinity within next few months.
Other vendors are similar like Sony and Acer just released their tablets as well.
The uncertain zone is Windows tablet from other vendors; however, among the currently announced windows tablet including from ASUS, Samsung, Acer, Dell, Microsoft (I may be missing some), there is only one with Full HD, which is Samsung's Ativ Smart Pro but this model again costs $1100 but its battery life is 5 hours of DVD play. So to me this proves that most likely all Full HD windows tablet that is coming in near future will be around the same price and likely with poor battery life for a while.
So yeah, basically if you are looking for full HD tablet you won't have much choice for next a few months. But I am sure by the time next iPad rumor start to arise, you see more Android tablet.
*I excluded Kindle HD here, because I simply don't think they are in same class but if you think they are your option, that's another option.
As for my experience, Infinity is much more stable than before for me and the only reason I initially gave up on infinity was too frequent ANR, and too slow browser loading time. Both of which I got it fixed (well ANR is probably not what I did but by firmware). So yes. this is indeed my ideal tablet at the moment.
I just bought my infinity a couple of days ago and I can't be happier. I use it for some ebooks, as I'm a Dr. of Physical Therapy student and the ebooks are MUCH cheaper.
I haven't used the Note, but what sold me on the infinity is how it essentially works like a "netbook" and it has actually replaced my netbook. I only wish there was a better microsoft office app, the app that came pre-loaded isn't the best, but it works.
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I just bought my infinity a couple of days ago and I can't be happier. I use it for some ebooks, as I'm a Dr. of Physical Therapy student and the ebooks are MUCH cheaper.
I haven't used the Note, but what sold me on the infinity is how it essentially works like a "netbook" and it has actually replaced my netbook. I only wish there was a better microsoft office app, the app that came pre-loaded isn't the best, but it works.
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Office Suite Pro on sale in the Play store for $0.25. Best Office app out there imho.
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Office Suite Pro on sale in the Play store for $0.25. Best Office app out there imho.
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25 cents!! That's amazing deal. Even the app sucks nothing to lose other than 25 cents!! Thanks for the information. I believe retail price is like $15 or $19 like others isn't it?
jjdevega said:
Just get it! The more you read the more you let others control your thinking and provides the haters sway your thinking. Unless that's what your looking for, its a great tablet. I love the keyboard combo and battery life is superb for someone that watches movies and shows daily. FULL HD is a must! Super IPS+ can't be beat. I rarely have to charge my tablet either. Now that Jelly Bean is confirmed, its even more appealing now then ever. Just go for it. Buy it at Best Buy so you'll have 30 days to decide.
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100% agreed.
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Just get it! The more you read the more you let others control your thinking and provides the haters sway your thinking. Unless that's what your looking for, its a great tablet. I love the keyboard combo and battery life is superb for someone that watches movies and shows daily. FULL HD is a must! Super IPS+ can't be beat. I rarely have to charge my tablet either. Now that Jelly Bean is confirmed, its even more appealing now then ever. Just go for it. Buy it at Best Buy so you'll have 30 days to decide.
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When yuo say you rarely have to charge it, how often is that?
After using mine for reading comics, a few podcasts and tv, web browsing, i find I'm getting 3.5/ 4 hous which is pretty ****.
I'm shopping for a new tablet but before I drop $700+ (tablet & goodies) I have a few questions.
Have the I/O issues been resolved?
Seen multiple posts on multiple reviews about case cracking problems, especially when using the dock/keyboard. is this limited or a real issue people are seeing?
overall opinion? Im not buying apple anything.. so if not this tablet, which one? i want 1920 res, 64gb x 64gb storage (sd), hdmi out.. basically all the goodies.
money isnt a factor in my consideration. i want a stable product that can hold up to daily use.
appreciate your comments.
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Have the I/O issues been resolved?
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fixable but voids warranty. and then there's the poor quality control. I suggest buying from a place where you can return the tablet if you get a bad one.
I really really want to like this tablet. just I'm scared I'll get a bad one :/ (I'll be buying overseas as local Asus only distributes the one with dock and I don't need one)
there's also looking elsewhere
Buy it from best buy if u can. They honor the manufacturer warranty for a year so u can swap it out if it breaks or gets discontinued for a new model.
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if you root/flash to fix can you flash back to stock? if so, thats a valid fix.. and im going to root either way.
i dont want to buy something that i have to plan in advance for it to have problems. i dont need a tablet, i want one.. so theres no rush. it sounds like this tablet really isnt worth the money.. on paper it sounds amazing though.
single speaker on the back? is that correct?
Yea a single speaker on the right lower back side. It's am awesome tablet, I like it a lot. Still a lot better then most of the tablets out now.
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so lets go real world use.. not benchmarks. what does the i/o issue really mean to me? its not going to be a file server.
youtube, gmail, web browsing, watching movies, listening to music. thats about it.
slow file xfers or actual performance issues opening/watching files?
bluetooth keyboard issues still? (lag)
network performance?
joshag said:
so lets go real world use.. not benchmarks. what does the i/o issue really mean to me? its not going to be a file server.
youtube, gmail, web browsing, watching movies, listening to music. thats about it.
slow file xfers or actual performance issues opening/watching files?
bluetooth keyboard issues still? (lag)
network performance?
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I was a original Transformer Prime owner and that thing was a nightmare! I had random reboots, screen tearing, CRAP Wifi, Non existent GPS, force closes up the ass. It as horrible. Best Buy let me exchange it after the Prime was discontinued and I got the Infinity. I have had almost NO issues with this thing. I cant remember the last time this thing reboot on me, if ever. Wifi and GPS are great. When Jelly Bean came out, they keyboard lagged a bit but ASUS quickly came out with a patch update and that was resolved. I don't really know what the I/O issue is...dont seem any issues. I use my tablet for some gaming, browsing the net, gmail/email, music and youtube and its been nothing but great for me. Honestly, Buy the tablet, if you dont like it...return it within the 30 day period. I highly recommend this tablet over the Ipads and most android tablets. If you dont like it, check out the nexus 10...
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joshag said:
so lets go real world use.. not benchmarks. what does the i/o issue really mean to me? its not going to be a file server.
youtube, gmail, web browsing, watching movies, listening to music. thats about it.
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You tap some link in the browser or you want to scroll and nothing happens for several seconds.
"Browser is not responding, do you want to close it?"
Sometimes it also closes by itself because of some unfixed bug.
Of course that does not happen all the time, otherwise I would have thrown my TF700 out of the window already, but it happens too often to not notice. And that is already after unlocking (voiding warranty) and installing CleanROM. Trying to use some Data-to-SD solution failed because the MicroSD interface is unreliable (at least with my SanDisk 32 GB UHS-1 card) and hangs after some time or produces lots of I/O errors in the log.
Do not buy this tablet if you want a mostly problem-free device.
The nexus 10 is a decent tablet.. but the lack of external ports bothers me. No sd card.. and i believe no hdmi. both deal breakers for me. ive read that the toshiba excite 10 is doing pretty well (and has amazing sound).
ill probably buy this tablet, i didnt see any upcoming asus tablets anytime soon. saw rumors of a 13ish inch tablet, but no date listed.
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Do not buy this tablet if you want a mostly problem-free device.
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I was prepared to unlock and void warranty but if doing that doesn't really fix the IO issues, I think Apple will get my money again. I've looked at the Huawei FHD but the lack of community support is a downside. if ever the tab has problems, then I'm stuck. I've looked at the Acer A700 but it's looks cheap and the lower CPU speed is a negative of course.
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anything quad core and faster then 1.2 is fine with me.. a 1920 screen is important as is storage. just not a lot of options on the table there.
might just buy a nexus for now and gift it when something really nice comes around. im not interested in a windows or a ios option at this time.
I have the 700, prime, and nexus 10. My prime after latest JB is actually quite useful now. Rarely I get any ANR nowadays but still do happen from time to time. Theres still def some IO issue still. The 700 on JB I find not as smooth as the Prime and I never get any ANR but it does lag some when I'm trying to do things too fast like open a bunch of stuff one after another. I have to let it catch up. From what I hear about putting custom rom is it will eliminate most IO but not completely. The nexus 10 however is a beast. No lag, no ANRs, I can open a lot of apps and def no IO issue. The only thing I dont like is the screen is LCD which makes it sort of dull looking since the black levels arent as good as the Asus. Also lack of keyboard dock which extends battery and memory and makes typing easy. Charge times are too long with micro usb.
For basic browsing, watching movies, casual gaming, then the tf700 is a good device. Better contrast screen and I can barely tell the difference in sharpness between it and the nexus 10. But I think the keyboard dock and its features is what sets it apart from the nexus 10.
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joshag said:
if you root/flash to fix can you flash back to stock? if so, thats a valid fix.. and im going to root either way.
i dont want to buy something that i have to plan in advance for it to have problems. i dont need a tablet, i want one.. so theres no rush. it sounds like this tablet really isnt worth the money.. on paper it sounds amazing though.
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Actually it is truly amazing. The vast majority are flawless...most people that post non-development related stuff here are posting complaints...looking for sympathy or corroboration, or better yet, solutions.
Unlocked, rooted and ROMed, this is the fastest tablet I've ever used. That includes most that are not in my signature as well as the ones I own.
I found a 32GB Champagne tablet on Adorama for $499 WITH keyboard. Just recently posted a new thread in the General section with a link if anyone's interested. I paid over $100 more at Best Buy for a Grey one that I'll be returning.
If you take the risk and root it, then you should get this tablet. If you expect a problem free experience from stock ROM, stay away. I only use my tf700 for browsing, reading books, YouTube.. and it's so sluggish and unresponsive. You tap the address bar, lag until the keyboard pops up. You then decide to go back to home screen, 2-3 secs until it registers your choice, then a couple more second to redraw the home screen. This doesn't happen all the time but even occasionally is way way too much. Also forget about doing anything while you're downloading or updating apps, it basically freezes the tablet.
The latest update improved things somewhat but not enough. I was planning to hold off getting clean ROM until after the rumored upcoming 4.2 update, but this is so annoying I'm losing my patience.
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Actually it is truly amazing. The vast majority are flawless...most people that post non-development related stuff here are posting complaints...looking for sympathy or corroboration, or better yet, solutions.
Unlocked, rooted and ROMed, this is the fastest tablet I've ever used. That includes most that are not in my signature as well as the ones I own.
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Just wondering if you happen to have a nexus 10 as I dont see it in your signature. The nexus 10 is a beast IMO compared to my nexus 7 with cleanrom. Games are super fluid and I can run a lot of things in the background and it doesn't really slow down. I assume tf700 with cleanrom is going to be similar to nexus 7 with cleanrom.
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Hey, after this summer i am going to college. I have a really heavy laptop so i was looking for a lighter alternative to make notes in class. A tablet with a in-cover-keyboard working with Bluetooth are very annoying to work with.
So thats why i wanted to buy a tf300t with dock, but after looking around in the tf300t general section, i found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2266947
And now i have second thoughts about buying the tablet. I wont use the tablet only for college, but also for games, facebook and etc.
So, why is this tablet not as good as i thought? Does it really lag so much? And are the custom roms (stock based) not good enough to solve this lag?
I use the TF300T for work, taking notes, playing games, texting, facebook and reading everything I can about android.
I did a rent to own package to get the tablet, keyboard/dock an a case. I love the full USB slot, HDMI and secondary SD card slot. I use a custom ROM and kernel as I like to push my hardware and clean up software I will never use and customize things like the battery icons.
I have used tablets from Archos, Acer and samsung and so far the TF300T is by far a tablet I am keeping. Its not the latest and greatest but with a little tweaking this little tablet/dock combo can be a great little machine for having fun or getting work done. The only other tablet I would consider is the Galaxy Note 10.1 which has the S pen and digitizer for writing and drawing an as I am an artist among other things the pen would be great, I just can't afford the price flat out and I use a lot of USB flash drives and would have to buy more hardware to make the Note 10 do that.
With this tablet docked I can carry it around feeling safe without a case and it can handle pretty much everything I throw at it and I don't treat it gently either. I run it 24/7 uploading and downloading an doing other stuff all day long. Only thing is I wish this had was the 3G radio so I could play ingress on it.
So if your looking for a good all around tablet the transformer series are great with the dock. If you want a basically all in one package with plenty of ports etc this is the machine.
Sent from my Customized Transformer TF300T using TapaTalk HD
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I use the TF300T for work, taking notes, playing games, texting, facebook and reading everything I can about android.
I did a rent to own package to get the tablet, keyboard/dock an a case. I love the full USB slot, HDMI and secondary SD card slot. I use a custom ROM and kernel as I like to push my hardware and clean up software I will never use and customize things like the battery icons.
I have used tablets from Archos, Acer and samsung and so far the TF300T is by far a tablet I am keeping. Its not the latest and greatest but with a little tweaking this little tablet/dock combo can be a great little machine for having fun or getting work done. The only other tablet I would consider is the Galaxy Note 10.1 which has the S pen and digitizer for writing and drawing an as I am an artist among other things the pen would be great, I just can't afford the price flat out and I use a lot of USB flash drives and would have to buy more hardware to make the Note 10 do that.
With this tablet docked I can carry it around feeling safe without a case and it can handle pretty much everything I throw at it and I don't treat it gently either. I run it 24/7 uploading and downloading an doing other stuff all day long. Only thing is I wish this had was the 3G radio so I could play ingress on it.
So if your looking for a good all around tablet the transformer series are great with the dock. If you want a basically all in one package with plenty of ports etc this is the machine.
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That's exactly what i am looking for!
Thanks for your quick respond. You convinced me. Im going to see what model of the transformer series i am going to buy
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not a problem, I have been told for years I should be in sales but I don't hide the downfalls of an item.
the TF700T has a faster CPU
TF300T stock is OK but custom ROMs and Kernels really make it great. If you don't follow instructions right though you could brick your tablet if you mess up or don't know what your doing.
there is a TF300TL and a TG TG has the radio no clue about the TL and there is a TF201 I think. for me the Prime or TF300T would be my choice. the 300 was my only choice from how I got it.
Good luck an if you ever need help there are plenty of answers in the transformer section. Oh yeah an people perk up when they ask what kinda netbook it is and I say its an android transformer tablet and disconnect it, have had 2 people go and rent them after that.
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With the new crop of top end tablets coming out are you guys/gals going to upgrade?
I love the Asus keyboard dock and relatively quick updates but the I/o lag kills me on the TF700. Installing an app and trying to browse the web brings it to a crawl. I'd rather not have to root and install a new ROM to use this thing.
I had the original Samsung Tab 10.1 and while it's stuck on 4.0 it performs better than the TF700.
I'm going for the Note 2014 edition over the TF701 this time around. The big bezels are looking really dated. One speaker is also a real downer. The fact that Samsung stuff can play Tapped Out is another plus for me. The Note 2014 also charges with a standard micro USB. The Asus charge cable not working with regular USB high amp chargers was really annoying as well.
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With the new crop of top end tablets coming out are you guys/gals going to upgrade?
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No. The TF700 does everything I need from a tablet.
yohojones said:
I love the Asus keyboard dock and relatively quick updates but the I/o lag kills me on the TF700. Installing an app and trying to browse the web brings it to a crawl. I'd rather not have to root and install a new ROM to use this thing.
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I did, and it was the main reason why I'm keeping the TF700.
I'm not going to upgrade my tab. After the warranty was off, i unlocked it and installed CROMI-X and this was like upgrading from a old 2012 tab to a new 2014 tab. And you know what ? It's free (no money to spend to upgrade) apart of your willing to give donation to the community of developpers.
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I am just not impressed with the state of 10.1" tablets. Asus supported the TF700 very well for a relatively long time, but it looks like their Memopads and Intel tablets are being treated like shovelware. I can't bring myself to trust them until that changes. Ditto for Samsung. I would probably take the plunge for a new Nexus 10 revision, but the rumor mill is indicating that it might not happen.
I really don't want to support Asus, but given the current state of affairs I might end up picking up a T100. It kills me to buy what is essentially a netbook, but the prospect of direct OS updates combined with x86 app support is starting to sound attractive.
Show me a GPE transformer with a next-gen SoC (K1 or Snapdragon 8xx) and I'll be back on board with Android in a heartbeat. I wouldn't trade my Nexus 4 for anything but a Nexus 5. I would have told you the same thing about my TF700 for a very long time, but the market has changed.
Oh, and iPads. I don't do the walled garden thing.
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I'm not going to upgrade my tab. After the warranty was off, i unlocked it and installed CROMI-X and this was like upgrading from a old 2012 tab to a new 2014 tab. And you know what ? It's free (no money to spend to upgrade) apart of your willing to give donation to the community of developpers.
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Did the same and now I use it all the time. Performance and stability are great and a 10" tablet with a keyboard dock is exactly what I want.
With the price of the t100 now, i think it will be my next device even though its constructions looks cheap like a low end acer laptop, the x86 bay trail soc is very interesting and has full dx11 / opengl support as opposed to the limited open gles support of arm/ tegra socs , im done with tegra untiil we get the tegra k1 with Linux drivers
I'm in the same boat. I have rooted and installed CROMI-X but my transformer is still slow as all get out (if I'm in an app and hit the home button I can usually count to 3 or 4 slowly before i actually get to the home screen; I had to turn off auto app updates because once it started updating apps my tablet was completely unusable until it finished... like 10 minutes later...)
My biggest requirement is HD resolution. The dock I can take or leave. I looked at the MeMo Pad FHD, the price is right, but I'm worried another ASUS tab I'll be in the same boat. I'm also afraid to drop $500+ on one of the new samsung tabs because for that $$$ I better be ecstatic with the results and I'm worried I won't be.
If anyone has upgraded from an infinity and can offer their experiences with the replacement unit let me know!
mattbooty said:
I'm in the same boat. I have rooted and installed CROMI-X but my transformer is still slow as all get out (if I'm in an app and hit the home button I can usually count to 3 or 4 slowly before i actually get to the home screen; I had to turn off auto app updates because once it started updating apps my tablet was completely unusable until it finished... like 10 minutes later...)
My biggest requirement is HD resolution. The dock I can take or leave. I looked at the MeMo Pad FHD, the price is right, but I'm worried another ASUS tab I'll be in the same boat. I'm also afraid to drop $500+ on one of the new samsung tabs because for that $$$ I better be ecstatic with the results and I'm worried I won't be.
If anyone has upgraded from an infinity and can offer their experiences with the replacement unit let me know!
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Something is wrong with your setup - hitting the home button should be pretty much instantaneous. What you are experiencing is not normal.
sbdags said:
Something is wrong with your setup - hitting the home button should be pretty much instantaneous. What you are experiencing is not normal.
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I agree hehe. It's a clean install of latest cromi at this point. I was using data2sd which seemed somewhat better, but still not great, but then it started locking up all the time and the sd card became corrupted so I went back to a standard install, full wipe. Maybe it's faulty hardware but I'm sort of tired of messing with it and ready to get something that just works.
mattbooty said:
I'm in the same boat. I have rooted and installed CROMI-X but my transformer is still slow as all get out (if I'm in an app and hit the home button I can usually count to 3 or 4 slowly before i actually get to the home screen; I had to turn off auto app updates because once it started updating apps my tablet was completely unusable until it finished... like 10 minutes later...)
My biggest requirement is HD resolution. The dock I can take or leave. I looked at the MeMo Pad FHD, the price is right, but I'm worried another ASUS tab I'll be in the same boat. I'm also afraid to drop $500+ on one of the new samsung tabs because for that $$$ I better be ecstatic with the results and I'm worried I won't be.
If anyone has upgraded from an infinity and can offer their experiences with the replacement unit let me know!
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I bought an acer w700 with a 3rd gen i5 processor, 4 gig of RAM, and costs about $500++. comes with a free keyboard case from acer, and so far, it runs great.
On paper, I am looking at the Xperia Z2 tablet: Snapdragon 801, 3GB RAM, microSD card, Android 4.4, waterproof, dustproof, full HD screen with excellent color gamut, thinnest and lightest 10-inch tablet and finally, front-facing stereo speakers. Sony's skin is quite minimal as well, so performance out of the box should be really good. I must say this tablet ticks every single requirement that I have (minus the keyboard dock). Who knows, this year might be the year of Sony.
Surface ...
I had the TF100 for nearly 3 years and was very happy with running custom android releases. With Kit Kat it ran really well.
Upgraded to a used TF700 and immediately loaded a 4.4.2 nightly. The TF700 has a better screeen, but the TF100 feels equally "fast." The dock of the TF700 is inferior to the TF100 dock (lighter, keys have less travel, or positive action. The whole thing just feels like a cheaped out version of the TF100. The GPS does work better than the TF100.
Anyway, the company I work for is moving to several RT apps, and providing Surface tablets. Further, I may pick up a refurb'd pro. Speed wise it is just a whole nother animal, yet at $399 refurb, it is at the same price point as a TF700.
With an android phone, and having android tablets for the last few years, I am pretty sure I want to stick with android. I have a windows 8 laptop and for a lot of the things I do I haven't been happy with the app selection. Which is a shame because most of the windows 8 laptops i've looked at are powerhouses and very smooth experiences.
Never going to support that company again. It is the worst piece of hardware I ever owned.
The design is neat but that is all. Build quality sucks, light sensor does not work, gorilla glass has scratches, back has scratches, the power plug bend the jack.
And the interior is even worse. I mean I could even live with all the outside flaws but as said that I/O lag is killing.
The tab feels like an old 133MHZ computer. I bought a tablet to just switch it on and use it.
But switching on the ASUS results in a dead tablet for 30 minutes because of updates and what not. Browsing is near to impossible.
I only kept it because of the nice screen (brightness) and as I need it for my exam to read on it.
Although for just a reading device it was much overpriced.
Why am I ranting about all this? I won't buy any other tablet if those things aren't fixed with that.
So any device that comes close to the design of the TF700 especially regarding to weight and screen brightness/readability (in sunlight)
and does not have those bugs is my next one.
I really hope for another Nexus 10" tablet not build by ASUS. My NexusOne was great and I'm in love with my Nexus4.