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[Q] Is The Signed/Locked Bootloader A Deal Breaker?

I have the G2x right now and I keep considering the Sensation. The only thing that is stopping me is that the bootloader may be hard to crack. The devs have yet to do it for several devices and this may be the next. Will this stop you or are you still buying?
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Still buying it, too tempting not to
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I rerurned my g2x just for the sensation.
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Was definitely a deal breaker for me with atrix, but sense I can live with until its hacked. Blur and touchwiz I cannot, so no, I'm still getting it
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From what HTC leaks said, it will have a level of security like thunderbolt or incredible S.
If it's like thunderbolt it will be very easy to unlock, if it's like IS given the actual R&D of the devs...it ''may'' be unlocked once released if the IS method is working.
So it doesn't look like an impossible mission for our good devs
All the N1,Desire and DHD devs will work on it, very few are going towar the SGS2

Yes. It IS a deal-breaker for me. It was the only reason I didn't get the Incredible S two months ago.
So far it looks like the only way to unlock the Incredible S is with an XTC Clip and the last time I looked it was only working for some models.
Bin4ry may have made some headway on this but the last post I see from him with any new information on the matter was on the 26th of April when he said, "I said that i made progress YES, but i have not achieved anything."

TBH I've been having a terrible Android experience so far. Being on the Motorola Milestone, I still don' tknow what it's like to be on a fully free device... not to mention the 256mb RAM really CRIPPLES the entire experience of this phone.
So while the specs on these new phones are nice, I think I'd be getting a screwed up vision of Android once again if these phones never get unlocked. Somehow I had hoped Moto's bootloader would get cracked. Boy was I wrong.

The question is : why getting the risk ? there is plenty of unlocked bootloaders devices out there from LG and SE and even some better spec'd like the SGS2. LG and SE aren't very supported by devs but HTC and Samsung are the best supported one, so if a free bootloader is important for you and you don't even want to worry about dev support take an unlocked one
But for me it is not a dealbreaker as I'm getting both (SGS2 and Sensation), but for someone that will only pick one of the two you might have to think twice..

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The question is : why getting the risk ? there is plenty of unlocked bootloaders devices out there from LG and SE and even some better spec'd like the SGS2. LG and SE aren't very supported by devs but HTC and Samsung are the best supported one, so if a free bootloader is important for you and you don't even want to worry about dev support take an unlocked one
But for me it is not a dealbreaker as I'm getting both (SGS2 and Sensation), but for someone that will only pick one of the two you might have to think twice..
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Or stick with the G2X.
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Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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Scoop24 said:
Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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I didnt hear that with the mytouch and I had it since launch. Just heard it mainly with the atrix.
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Not at all, I heard The same thing when I got The myTouch 4g. I'm confident devs will figure out a way to root they always do.
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Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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Yeah it's a huge deal breaker to me Can't have another failure like the milestone :/

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Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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MyTouch4G and G2 bootloader was lock. Dude don't worry.. if you have doubts just buy what you like Samsung S II or LG

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Yeah it's a huge deal breaker to me Can't have another failure like the milestone :/
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How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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charlieb620 said:
How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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Still the kernel can't be changed. Keep in mind that a stable 2.2 rom wasn't possible until motorola released beta's of that rom. This due to the fact that the 2.2 rom didn't really want to work with the 2.1 kernel. Motorola isn't really great at writing kernels either.
I already know the next android version will probably won't work.

charlieb620 said:
How is the milestone a failure its dev section has loads of roms and hacks
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HTC have their bootloader sign is different from Motorola bootloader sign with encryption is two different things htc don't use encryption moto does.

charlieb620 said:
Rooting and unlocking the bootloader is two diff things.
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So it will be rootable and we can block ads, use apps requiring root, etc, just not load different ROMs?
Not overly concerned about custom Roms, but definitely want to be able to run some apps that require root.
If I am understanding this correctly my G2x is going back tonight.

I'm completely content to run a stock ROM if it's stable. I've never had occasion to root or put an alternative ROM on my Nexus One and all of my experiences with the HD2, G1, and Viewsonic G-Tablet ROMs have been mixed, Cyanogen or otherwise.
Definitely not a deal breaker.

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HTC have their bootloader sign is different from Motorola bootloader sign with encryption is two different things htc don't use encryption moto does.
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Hmm I did understand that the latest update of the wildfire made it impossible to flash custom firmware. Hope it doesn't go that way.

[Q] A Phone? which to get

Hi all,
I am in the process of helping my friend purchase an android phone. I'm not the best in decision making and since he is on At&t and I am on Verizon there is not a whole lot I can help him with... So I'm asking for recommendations on the best phone out there on At&t at a price no higher than $50 (refurbished is okay) This will be his first android phone and id love to get him to join the community but his concern is that he doesn't want the phone to be obsolete after a year (because he is signing a 2 year agreement) and doesn't at the moment want to flash any custom ROMs, but i may be able to change that.
Thanks in advance!

Galaxy S 2 skyrocket
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toto4u said:
Galaxy Note is the best
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Galaxy S 2 skyrocket
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Those are both over 50 I believe
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He could try to go with the Galaxy Nexus or wait a bit for the GS III. Not sure about the prices though.

ZTE Blade or HTC Desire
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I would probably wait for the HTC one X or maybe the Galaxy S3 sort of next generation smartphones

Wich phone would you pick?

So I though of upgrading my nexus one. The possible candidats are a htc one s or a motorola razr maxx. If you had to choose wich one would you take? I don't like that big screens, so 4.3 inches seems to be a sweat spot for me. Could you recomend me other phones?
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Razr Maxx has the best battery life out of all smartphones in the market so if you are looking for a phone that has great battery life, the razr maxx is the phone to get. Other good phones are the GNexus and the SGS3 which have full support of Ics and JB.

The best hardware right now is the galaxy s iii. The best software support is on the galaxy nexus.
I wouldn't get something as locked down as the Motorola unless you're okay with only ever getting one android update, and getting it super late. And I think the gsiii does everything the HTC does and then some.
My choice is (and probably always will be) the nexus because I have more control over it than any other device, but the gsiii is a good choice now as well.
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oliverano said:
So I though of upgrading my nexus one. The possible candidats are a htc one s or a motorola razr maxx. If you had to choose wich one would you take? I don't like that big screens, so 4.3 inches seems to be a sweat spot for me. Could you recomend me other phones?
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At that screen size I'd take the Galaxy s2 or Sony Xperia S or One S in that order
The maxx is good but lack of support kills it. Battery life is the only reason to get it.
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galaxy s2 will be the best choice for the range of the screen size & samsung is still continuing to update the software on s2

yea S2 is very nice now and the price is low

a galaxy nexus.

I would buy galaxy nexus.
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Atrix_Owner said:
Razr Maxx has the best battery life out of all smartphones in the market so if you are looking for a phone that has great battery life, the razr maxx is the phone to get. Other good phones are the GNexus and the SGS3 which have full support of Ics and JB.
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The best hardware right now is the galaxy s iii. The best software support is on the galaxy nexus.
I wouldn't get something as locked down as the Motorola unless you're okay with only ever getting one android update, and getting it super late. And I think the gsiii does everything the HTC does and then some.
My choice is (and probably always will be) the nexus because I have more control over it than any other device, but the gsiii is a good choice now as well.
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dorwoo said:
a galaxy nexus.
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Brian_SGW_CM9 said:
I would buy galaxy nexus.
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Did all four of you guys seriously just ignore the fact that he wants a phone with a 4.3 inch screen? Those would be too big for him.
I would have to agree with SII, great development and Samsung supports Cyanogenmod, what more could you ask for? Still has great specs too.
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Other good phones are the GNexus and the SGS3 which have full support of Ics and JB.
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i would go witht the SGS3...probably only because thats what I have and it is a really good phone, best one I have had

I would realy like that extra battery life on the maxx and it just got the ics update. But are phones with bigger screens like 4.8" in dimensions a lot bigger than that with 4.3"?
Thx to you all
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There's too many of these threads all over the place on here now.
None of us can give you a definite answer of what phone to get because ultimately, it's your choice and none of us can change that. And if a you're after is suggestions, why not just think of a few yourself and float round the specific sections for those phones so you can read peoples responses to the phone.
I'll end up making a dedicated thread for this kinda thing if I see too many more of these
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oliverano said:
I would realy like that extra battery life on the maxx and it just got the ics update. But are phones with bigger screens like 4.8" in dimensions a lot bigger than that with 4.3"?
Thx to you all
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It starts getting difficult at 5+ and becomes a matter of taste there. Otherwise 4.8 has proven manageable with phones like sensation and galaxy s3.
Consider that the maxx is not HD and is aged technology, even at launch there were complaints on moto holding out,if you also don't mind this carry on.
Consider you can always get an extended battery for something like the s3 or optimus 4x without a great increase in bulk as they're thin.
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Allanitomwesh said:
It starts getting difficult at 5+ and becomes a matter of taste there. Otherwise 4.8 has proven manageable with phones like sensation and galaxy s3.
Consider that the maxx is not HD and is aged technology, even at launch there were complaints on moto holding out,if you also don't mind this carry on.
Consider you can always get an extended battery for something like the s3 or optimus 4x without a great increase in bulk as they're thin.
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I dind't though of extendet batteries. I just saw the lg optumos 4x and fell in love hehehe thank you too all I'm just going to close the tread.
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How abt....
Legendary Htc HD2 4.3" screen :good:

oliverano said:
I dind't though of extendet batteries. I just saw the lg optumos 4x and fell in love hehehe thank you too all I'm just going to close the tread.
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Enjoy.
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I suggest you try the 4.65in. screen of the GNex, you won't notice a huge difference.
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Where to next?

I don't have an upgrade yet, but as the date draws nearer (December) I really start looking at what is coming out between now and then, and I must say I'm not feeling particularly confident about any given upgrade path.
If it's true the next Nexus will be Nexus Optimus based off the Optimus G I'd probably consider the Optimus G since having identical hardware to the galaxy S worked many wonders for the captivate.
Outside of that, the Xperia Tl looks like a pretty great device if it gets enough support to see decent long-lived dev support.
So, what upcoming phone do you think will have the best dev support? I would really like to keep getting updates long after the manufacturer officially drops support.. and Even if it's only 400$, I probably will skip the nexus since 16 gigs isn't enough without expandable memory storage..

Same. I also have an upgrade due this December and the new phones on at&t aren't interesting. I would've gone to the one x but their at&t version has ran into a wall because of a recent update that locked the boot loaders down, hard. (At&t officially does not support unlocked boot loaders for it). So, the Cappy is still moving forward
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panda_mode said:
Same. I also have an upgrade due this December and the new phones on at&t aren't interesting. I would've gone to the one x but their at&t version has ran into a wall because of a recent update that locked the boot loaders down, hard. (At&t officially does not support unlocked boot loaders for it). So, the Cappy is still moving forward
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I was looking at galaxy note 2. 2gigs of ram and quad core onix
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panda_mode said:
Same. I also have an upgrade due this December and the new phones on at&t aren't interesting. I would've gone to the one x but their at&t version has ran into a wall because of a recent update that locked the boot loaders down, hard. (At&t officially does not support unlocked boot loaders for it). So, the Cappy is still moving forward
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I'm cautiously optimistic about both the Xperia TL and the Optimus G.
I know that back mfr support can ruin otherwise great phones.. both in terms of upgrades and devs ability to make custom roms.. So I'll be looking anxiously at the LG Optimus. If the One x+ keeps the 64 gb of storage or even just 32gb of storage I would seriously consider it too assuming the dev support was adequate.
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I was looking at galaxy note 2. 2gigs of ram and quad core onix
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I am really worried the Note 2 will be far to big for my taste. The 4.7" phones already seem *huge* to have to stick in my pocket. Aside from that I'd be worried about the quad core exynos processsors which I hear make it hard to cook up custom Roms.

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I was looking at galaxy note 2. 2gigs of ram and quad core onix
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Sweet, I might consider that too. I'm not feeling the galaxy s3 for at&t at all and HTC one x is stuck on a rut with that 2.20 update.
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I'm cautiously optimistic about both the Xperia TL and the Optimus G.
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LG Optimus G looks very promising. I love its hardware design (on the same level with HTC one x or better, IMO), that quadcore Qualcomm s4 processor, and the screen is fantastic. I wish At&t included the 13 mp camera. But then again all cellphone cameras will never be perfect.
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panda_mode said:
Sweet, I might consider that too. I'm not feeling the galaxy s3 for at&t at all and HTC one x is stuck on a rut with that 2.20 update.
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LG Optimus G looks very promising. I love its hardware design (on the same level with HTC one x or better, IMO), that quadcore Qualcomm s4 processor, and the screen is fantastic. I wish At&t included the 13 mp camera. But then again all cellphone cameras will never be perfect.
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I want a decent camera but, honestly my absolute biggest concern is long term dev support. I wish there was an environment more "open" to dev with carriers. I understand they don't want to have to deal with people bricking their phones.. At the same time "voided warranty" scares off most people I talk to about custom roms in the first place.. So I don't think they are really gaining anything by locking down phones.. People either care about the warranty or they don't.

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I want a decent camera but, honestly my absolute biggest concern is long term dev support. I wish there was an environment more "open" to dev with carriers. I understand they don't want to have to deal with people bricking their phones.. At the same time "voided warranty" scares off most people I talk to about custom roms in the first place.. So I don't think they are really gaining anything by locking down phones.. People either care about the warranty or they don't.
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Well I'm guessing it's because carriers want you to buy a new phone for every upgrade date to make $$$ so they lock boot loaders (of course, that assumption could be false). For long term development support I will buy an international Samsung galaxy s_ device or a nexus.
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Well I'm guessing it's because carriers want you to buy a new phone for every upgrade date to make $$$ so they lock boot loaders (of course, that assumption could be false). For long term development support I will buy an international Samsung galaxy s_ device or a nexus.
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Unfortunately, I'm kinda tired of the SAMOLED displays.
As far as why they do it, forcing customers to buy new phones is a pretty horrible reason TBH.
There are far too many people who are angry at manufacturers for failing to update fast enough. When you remove their ability to install their own update, you're just giving them a reason to find another product.

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Unfortunately, I'm kinda tired of the SAMOLED displays.
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Me too, which is why I'm going to the One X or Nexus 4. I have a Nexus 7 and support is good. But I don't think any phone out there will be better than my captivate, development wise.
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Me too, which is why I'm going to the One X or Nexus 4. I have a Nexus 7 and support is good. But I don't think any phone out there will be better than my captivate, development wise.
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Captivate came in a golden age were on at&t when had no real android competitor. Great specs nothing locked really and almost exactly same as nexus device
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Captivate came in a golden age were on at&t when had no real android competitor. Great specs nothing locked really and almost exactly same as nexus device
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Haha, yup that's a good point. I'm glad that the cappy was my first android device and is/was filled with plenty of developers to support it. I'm kind of sad to leave it this December, TBH.
What do you think of the SGS3?
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Haha, yup that's a good point. I'm glad that the cappy was my first android device and is/was filled with plenty of developers to support it. I'm kind of sad to leave it this December, TBH.
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I left my Cappy last October after the USB port died and I got tired of switching out batteries to use it for the SGS II. My SGS II just had an unfortunate accident involving water, so I pulled out my trusty Cappy which I could not part with since it was my 1st Android device. Thank god for all of the awesome development that has and continues to unfold for this device. I am on Jelly Bean 4.1.2 and its like I never left. I do not know how much longer I am going to use it (Nexus 4 looks tempting), but it continues to be an amazing phone that I will continue to go back to whenever other phones fail on me.
Kind of off topic but I really wanted to say how much of an awesome phone this is. Props to all of you who kept it for a full two years! :good:

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Haha, yup that's a good point. I'm glad that the cappy was my first android device and is/was filled with plenty of developers to support it. I'm kind of sad to leave it this December, TBH.
What do you think of the SGS3?
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I like my galaxy s3 alot
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Nexus 4 price is hard to resist, lack of storage and lte is unfortunate but can't beat 350 for a top of the line device. And it's a nexus.

I'd consider the nexus 4 if I didn't have the nexus 7 already
Might as well go with the school of fish since the galaxy s 3 is $99 now at select stores. Cant beat that price with all the features it has. But you gotta admit the HTC one x is a nice looking phone, and dare I say, and to which nobody has mentioned yet, the Lumia 920 (in red) *gasp*
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Most major retailers will have GS3 for around $50 on black friday..if you are stateside...also Sam's club will have it for .96 cents
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One thing im wondering as I look at the nexus 4 is that there are 3 buttons back, home and multi task (which is long press home for us) one of the things i love is the dedicated options or settings key, anyone have any experience moving to no options button? One (of many) things that bother me when im using an iPhone is the stupid steps you have to take to change app settings.
I'm reconsidering this phone for that reason,(although im sure XDA can give me options to remedy this issue) am i the only one who thinks a dedicated multitasking button is a waste and long press home is a fine alternative to open up another shortcut option?

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am i the only one who thinks a dedicated multitasking button is a waste and long press home is a fine alternative to open up another shortcut option?
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+1 here. Maybe a custom ROM for the Nexus will give you the ability to do that.
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I don't have an upgrade yet, but as the date draws nearer (December) I really start looking at what is coming out between now and then, and I must say I'm not feeling particularly confident about any given upgrade path.
If it's true the next Nexus will be Nexus Optimus based off the Optimus G I'd probably consider the Optimus G since having identical hardware to the galaxy S worked many wonders for the captivate.
Outside of that, the Xperia Tl looks like a pretty great device if it gets enough support to see decent long-lived dev support.
So, what upcoming phone do you think will have the best dev support? I would really like to keep getting updates long after the manufacturer officially drops support.. and Even if it's only 400$, I probably will skip the nexus since 16 gigs isn't enough without expandable memory storage..
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Getting a Nexus is your only safe bet for long term dev support and you don't have to deal with locked bootloader and losing your warranty by unlocking it (you have no choice with Sony and HTC, because you enter your IMEI to unlock it which void your warranty, unless you do some third party unlocking method). Also for the price of the Nexus 4 and being a Nexus device, I don't see why one would get the Optimus G with locked bootloader and probably poor support, if only for the 32gb storage which is not worth it compared to all the things the Nexus offer (ie, Google updates, easy to flash, best dev support and highesst quality rom, pentaband, elitist Nexus fanboys community).
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am i the only one who thinks a dedicated multitasking button is a waste and long press home is a fine alternative to open up another shortcut option?
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Various CyanogenMod and AOKP-based rom is capable of customizing the on screen NavBar, including for the Captivate. Try AOKP rom and look for the Navigation bar settings.

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+1 here. Maybe a custom ROM for the Nexus will give you the ability to do that.
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Custom ROMs allow you to change all sorts of things about the navigation bar. You can have more buttons, different buttons, even shortcuts/widgets.
Also, I can say from experience that the three button setup is better than the four button setup.
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[Q] New phone suggestions

Hey guys I was recently able to sell my g2x and I have about 200$ to spend on a new phone what ares some suggestions for a new device, I was thinking of a galaxy nexus or a htc 1 s. Any ideas would be welcome thanks.

Those would be my 3 choices as well...however before choosing i would compare the specs and performance of each device as well as checkout some of the custom roms and kernels available as i would root the phone as soon as i got it. i know the galaxies have a lot of dev support
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Those would be my 3 choices as well...however before choosing i would compare the specs and performance of each device as well as checkout some of the custom roms and kernels available as i would root the phone as soon as i got it. i know the galaxies have a lot of dev support
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Thanks for the advice I'm leaning towards the nexus cause of Dev support and I'm not realy familer with htc unlocking rooting and roming process.

Nexus 4 is 350 new, off contract unlocked.
Galaxy Nexus is still good though and a hundred bucks cheaper.
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I'd say go with the nexus. I rooted several HTC devices for friends and it was a pain in the butthole, you have to register on htcdev, use command prompts and etc. etc. to unlock the bootloader and then do another to get S-Off and its just a mess

what about optimus l9
Does anybody use an l9 as their daily driver if so how do you like it I am thinking about this instead of a gnexus cause its cheaper but I don't want to be stuck with another lg phone that never gets updates.
Thanks

I just bought an HTC One. It's excellent.
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I jumped from g2x to l9 and I love it. Just got the update to jellybean too. L9 is the best phone u can get at 199 New no contract. But remember this is a LG phone so jellybean might be the only update for this phone
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Thanks for the info at this piont I'm considering either the gnexus or the l9.

Not considering gs3 anymore?
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The s3 is to pricy but I would love one

The galaxy s4 looks sweet. Think that might be my next rig
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