Telstra 1.89 OTA cant be rooted yet? - AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL

Hi guys
I have read thousands of posts for hours and I take it I cant root my Telstra One XL with 1.89 on it?
Unfortunately I've had it only 1 day, tried rooting it as 1.85 and kept getting an error that said software update. I should have kept reading but I found the software update, and did it....which took me to 1.89.
Just have to wait until some switched on dev can come up with a root process? I have managed to unlock my bootloader - not that it does much for me while i have no root access!
Can I roll back to 1.85?
Very new to this game, so be gentle with the replies pls!

Are you going to install custom ROm
I just went through this process.
I suppose the first question is do you want to install custom rom?
If you do you can unlock bootloader, install custom recovery and then flash a rooted rom from there.
If you dont want to install custom ROM i dont think you can at the present time as the previous methods dont work on 1.89.
Hope this helped...
Edit: you cant roll back to previous from 1.89 because the hboot (i think its the Hboot, i could be wrong) changed on upgrade

I was looking to try the Nocturnal Xi40 ROM. So would this work? I dont want to wipe my current stock ROM to have it fail.
Grabbed the ROM Manager app and it wont work without the phone being rooted - is there a way to backup my current ROM without root?

KonArt1s said:
I was looking to try the Nocturnal Xi40 ROM. So would this work? I dont want to wipe my current stock ROM to have it fail.
Grabbed the ROM Manager app and it wont work without the phone being rooted - is there a way to backup my current ROM without root?
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Yeah the Xi40 is what im using cuurently so it should be fine.
Just google how to unlock the bootloader through HTCdev. http://htcdev.com/bootloader read the disclaimers as it changes your warranty.
after that google "fastbooting TWRP" (TWRP is Team Win Recovery Program) can be found here somewhere.
once that is done boot into recovery and backup (Nandroid). this will give you an image of your phone in current state so if anything goes wrong you can restore back to it.
you also can download the 1.89 RUU found in this forum (Telstra One Xl Thread), which will bring your phone back to out of box if all goes haywire.

Thanks man - worked a treat...the 2nd time lol First time it froze during the setup part of Xi40.
Already had the device unlocked and my problem was I had the wrong TWRP img. The ATT one worked where as the International one didnt in first attempts.
Happy camper, thanks again!

KonArt1s said:
Thanks man - worked a treat...the 2nd time lol First time it froze during the setup part of Xi40.
Already had the device unlocked and my problem was I had the wrong TWRP img. The ATT one worked where as the International one didnt in first attempts.
Happy camper, thanks again!
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No worries, glad i could be of help.

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[Q] OTA update to Android 2.3.4 problem

Hi,
I installed Installing S-off, ClockWork accroding this tread as preparation to ROOT my device. Actually i did not ROOT it.
Today i downloaded new OTA Android 2.3.4, backup and prepare to install. After reset installation process started but never finished. progress bar disappeared and only little green android body and warning sign in triangle stayed for for long time and nothing to happens.
I am not know about install something else to my device except Revolutionary.io mentioned in tread.
I can ONLY finish this state only by get off battery. :-( so i cant instal new Android 2.3.4 to my device.
Any hints how to install? or how to continue.
thanx so much,
Ondrej
Hi
I had exactly the same problem as you.
The simplest solution is to go back S-ON
Put on the update and then go back to S-Off
Simples
(BTW: If I am wrong then please let me know just don't be too angry )
iftikar666 said:
Hi
I had exactly the same problem as you.
The simplest solution is to go back S-ON
Put on the update and then go back to S-Off
Simples
(BTW: If I am wrong then please let me know just don't be too angry )
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hmm, truly believe that other solution is possible redo to S-ON is like way to Mordor, insurmountable...
but thanx so much for hint! i try to place our problem to tread in my question
Ondrej
I'm not sure if You can go back to S-ON if the mobile stops at boot and ther's no recovery installed yet.
@roul174: as far as I read Your post: You did a nandroid backup ? Or what kind of backup ? Can You start into recovery by pressing volume-down when switching on ? If so, can You restore Your backup ?
Thomas
roul174 said:
hmm, truly believe that other solution is possible redo to S-ON is like way to Mordor, insurmountable...
but thanx so much for hint! i try to place our problem to tread in my question
Ondrej
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If you use this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300 - it details going back to S-ON (I used it and it really is n00b proof)
And then it's dead easy to go back
TcG71 said:
I'm not sure if You can go ack to S-ON if the mobile stops at boot and ther's no recovery installed yet.
@roul174: as far as I read Your post: You did a nandroid backup ? Or what kind of backup ? Can You start into recovery by pressing volume-down when switching on ? If so, can You restore Your backup ?
Thomas
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Hi thomas,
I did NaNdroid backup by revolutionary HBoot.
Fortunately, after get back battery and turn on, device started normally with no damage!
Yap i can start into HBOOT by volume down and sw. on. ;-)
and lastly i do not need to restore anything, thank the Lord!!
O.
It's good to have a backup already
And now Your mobile still shows 2.3.3 and if You try to update You get the message that there's no update available ? (would be the same as I'd got after going back to stock rom even if this version was much older)
update is @ my SDcard, version is sill 2.3.3
iftikar666 said:
If you use this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300 - it details going back to S-ON (I used it and it really is n00b proof)
And then it's dead easy to go back
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my opinion is to better ask Revolutionary producers to help with this... it should doesn't matter if there is Revolutionary or stock HBoot in device. this could happens any time new OTA will be dispatched, so solution to redo to SON and smth, and smth and roll back to stock ROM and ... no... there should some more elegant solution.
O.
Try to ask them, but maybe the only thing for You to do is to be patient...
After setting my mobile back to stock rom (VF RUU including HBOOT and Radio), and even after switching back to S-ON, I coudn't catch the update to 1.35.xxx in the next our.
But I choosed not to wait any longer. The only reason for me to do this was to try, if going back to stock rom (for repair or replacement) was possible. My problem to catch the update again was the old radio, which was installed by 1.27.xxx stock rom. So I updated the radio manually and installed InsertCoin again...
As long as the bootloader is working, you can always install ClockworkMod recovery through PG58IMG.zip method and install any custom ROM you like. You don't require a working system - or any system at all - for that. You can also install a stock ROM using the 'fastboot oem rebootRUU' method from the bootloader. There's never really any reason to go back to S-ON except for warranty.
roul174 said:
Hi,
I installed Installing S-off, ClockWork accroding this tread as preparation to ROOT my device. Actually i did not ROOT it.
Today i downloaded new OTA Android 2.3.4, backup and prepare to install. After reset installation process started but never finished. progress bar disappeared and only little green android body and warning sign in triangle stayed for for long time and nothing to happens.
I am not know about install something else to my device except Revolutionary.io mentioned in tread.
I can ONLY finish this state only by get off battery. :-( so i cant instal new Android 2.3.4 to my device.
Any hints how to install? or how to continue.
thanx so much,
Ondrej
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Yesterday the same happened to me - HTC Sensation branded by T-Mobile Czech. I did S-Off, installed ClockWork, rooted phone and debranded. OTA update to 2.3.4 ended as you describe.
What helped me was installation of stock ROM 1.35.401.1 and then do OTA update. This time instalation was OK and bootloader says '*** LOCKED ***' and S-OFF. I did not try to install clockwork again.
kacer said:
Yesterday the same happened to me - HTC Sensation branded by T-Mobile Czech. I did S-Off, installed ClockWork, rooted phone and debranded. OTA update to 2.3.4 ended as you describe.
What helped me was installation of stock ROM 1.35.401.1 and then do OTA update. This time instalation was OK and bootloader says '*** LOCKED ***' and S-OFF. I did not try to install clockwork again.
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okay, my problem is, that I am afraid about loose data. did you backed up you phone? if yes how. and next think is how did you choose right version of stock ROM for you device?
Thanx for advice,
O.
Once you install ClockworkMod recovery, the OTA updates won't work. You need to go back to stock recovery and OTA updates should work fine.
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How to Remove Custom Recovery
see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201773

WiFi error's after flashing HTC unlock bootloader

Boy oh boy, I had a really tough few days trying to flash a custom rom. I was pretty heavy into flashing roms from the G1 days until I got my sensation on the day it was released. I then took a long break. Well 2 days ago I decided to Unlock my Bootloader through the HTC website. Everything went well. I did notice the ******UNLOCKED****** in the bootloader I also noticed the S-ON(security was still on). I didn't think this mattered. Was I ever wrong. With that S-On you cannot flash new radio's. I have never been able to flash a PG58IMG.zip file from hboot/fastboot. I can however flash recovery's from fastboot using (fastboot flash recovery recovery.img).
Seems as if every single rom I tried needs the Security-OFF to work correctly. I was able to put clockwork mod 5.0 on my phone, and install super wipe, and several roms, the problem I ran into is I would get a error under the switch for wifi. Wifi would not work on any of the 5 roms I tried before this one. I was wanting to give up and go back to stock for several hours. I tried the RUU to bring me back to build 1.27 and build 1.29 both were unsuccessful. I was stuck at build 1.73.401.2 and no way possible to get back to stock. And picture this living in a area with tmobile that is still using the edge network(2 ****ing g) OMFG I was so mad trying to even boot a new rom without wifi is a nightmare, took me literally 20 minutes to download rom manager. Anyway's this rom was the last one I tried before busting my phone into pieces.
Rom's I tried:
1. Android Revolution 3.6.1, and 4.1 (3.6.1 booted but had no wifi)
2. RCMix 3.5 v04 (bootloop)
3. LeeDroid booted fine (no wifi)
4. I believe there was one other I tried. NO GO
5. Then I flashed this one late last night, and to my surprised it worked.
I was so happy I almost pissed myself.
Oh yeah I tried many irc channels, one was the revolutionary.io irc channel, I was able to successfully run the rev.io tool and it showed as a success however my S-was still ON. I talked to these guys for about 45 minutes looking for other ideas. They pretty much told me I was screwed and that it had never been tested after you unlocked through HTC. And it simply might never work.
Anyway I guess what I am getting at. For anyone else that might have to go through what I did.
1. How in the world can you get you phone back to complete stock?
2. Why is this happening?
3. Why is my wifi not working with any other rom? And everyone else's is?
4. How do I go about getting my S-OFF?
5. Does anyone know if you can RELOCK your bootloader through HTC so that I can turn the SECURITY-OFF and "then" unlock the bootloader.
I probably have more question's. I just wanted to see if I might be able to get a few answers from you fine people. Help me understand what in the world is going on and how many other people are dealing with what I am dealing with.
droiddv said:
Boy oh boy, I had a really tough few days trying to flash a custom rom. I was pretty heavy into flashing roms from the G1 days until I got my sensation on the day it was released. I then took a long break. Well 2 days ago I decided to Unlock my Bootloader through the HTC website. Everything went well. I did notice the ******UNLOCKED****** in the bootloader I also noticed the S-ON(security was still on). I didn't think this mattered. Was I ever wrong. With that S-On you cannot flash new radio's. I have never been able to flash a PG58IMG.zip file from hboot/fastboot. I can however flash recovery's from fastboot using (fastboot flash recovery recovery.img).
Seems as if every single rom I tried needs the Security-OFF to work correctly. I was able to put clockwork mod 5.0 on my phone, and install super wipe, and several roms, the problem I ran into is I would get a error under the switch for wifi. Wifi would not work on any of the 5 roms I tried before this one. I was wanting to give up and go back to stock for several hours. I tried the RUU to bring me back to build 1.27 and build 1.29 both were unsuccessful. I was stuck at build 1.73.401.2 and no way possible to get back to stock. And picture this living in a area with tmobile that is still using the edge network(2 ****ing g) OMFG I was so mad trying to even boot a new rom without wifi is a nightmare, took me literally 20 minutes to download rom manager. Anyway's this rom was the last one I tried before busting my phone into pieces.
Rom's I tried:
1. Android Revolution 3.6.1, and 4.1 (3.6.1 booted but had no wifi)
2. RCMix 3.5 v04 (bootloop)
3. LeeDroid booted fine (no wifi)
4. I believe there was one other I tried. NO GO
5. Then I flashed this one late last night, and to my surprised it worked.
I was so happy I almost pissed myself.
Oh yeah I tried many irc channels, one was the revolutionary.io irc channel, I was able to successfully run the rev.io tool and it showed as a success however my S-was still ON. I talked to these guys for about 45 minutes looking for other ideas. They pretty much told me I was screwed and that it had never been tested after you unlocked through HTC. And it simply might never work.
Anyway I guess what I am getting at. For anyone else that might have to go through what I did.
1. How in the world can you get you phone back to complete stock?
2. Why is this happening?
3. Why is my wifi not working with any other rom? And everyone else's is?
4. How do I go about getting my S-OFF?
5. Does anyone know if you can RELOCK your bootloader through HTC so that I can turn the SECURITY-OFF and "then" unlock the bootloader.
I probably have more question's. I just wanted to see if I might be able to get a few answers from you fine people. Help me understand what in the world is going on and how many other people are dealing with what I am dealing with.
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Personally i would just do the normal s-off method as it gives you a little more freedom compared to HTC unlocking method.
My wifi is dead too, but i have no way of fixing it at all, i've got a thread called "wifi is dead" in the q+a section of the sensation forum.
Let me know if you get yours working, i imagine that if you revert your phone back to stock again and then use the alpha rev method that you will have better luck.
1. You can Relock your bootloader using HTC site but this time u will see Relocked instead of Locked
2. No idea
3. Did you try resetting your router? Works for me. Also try flashing a different radio.
4. No idea
5. You can relock bootloader on HTC site but have no idea of you can unlock it with Revolutionary again.
Try write secureflag command, just search for.the correct one on xda. Also, try flashing your RUU and then s-offing via revo.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App
tinky1 said:
Try write secureflag command, just search for.the correct one on xda. Also, try flashing your RUU and then s-offing via revo again. You might need eng s-off, pm EddyOS, he should be able to help, I believe he's done it before.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App
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[ Solved ] WiFi error , Radio flash Problem , and revert back to any Custom Rom
droiddv said:
Well 2 days ago I decided to Unlock my Bootloader through the HTC website. Everything went well. I did notice the ******UNLOCKED****** in the bootloader I also noticed the S-ON (security was still on). I didn't think this mattered. Was I ever wrong. With that S-On you cannot flash new radio's. I have never been able to flash a PG58IMG.zip file from hboot/fastboot. I can however flash recovery's from fastboot using (fastboot flash recovery recovery.img).
Seems as if every single rom I tried needs the Security-OFF to work correctly. I was able to put clockwork mod 5.0 on my phone, and install super wipe, and several roms, the problem I ran into is I would get a error under the switch for wifi. Wifi would not work on any of the 5 roms I tried before this one. I was wanting to give up and go back to stock for several hours. I tried the RUU to bring me back to build 1.27 and build 1.29 both were unsuccessful. I was stuck at build 1.73.401.2 and no way possible to get back to stock.
Oh yeah I tried many irc channels, one was the revolutionary.io irc channel, I was able to successfully run the rev.io tool and it showed as a success however my S-was still ON. I talked to these guys for about 45 minutes looking for other ideas. They pretty much told me I was screwed and that it had never been tested after you unlocked through HTC. And it simply might never work.
5. Does anyone know if you can RELOCK your bootloader through HTC so that I can turn the SECURITY-OFF and "then" unlock the bootloader.
.
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[Solved ] WiFi error , Flash Radio Problem , Install any Custom Rom without errors , Wrong S-on Brick
this is Solved and the wifi error is because of kernel included in Boot.img
you can use the following solution to install any custom rom without wifi errors
first read " how htc dev works " to have an understanding why this happened to you and why you are still S-on and why you can't flash Radio . link is here " Solve WiFi Errors , Radio Flashing Problem , Caused by htc Dev Unlock Method "
the solution itself is in the following link , Read title " Custom Rom Flash " and "[FONT=&quot][ Implementation ][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Successful S-OFF using my above method " . [/FONT]link is here " Successful S-OFF after brick (wrong S-ON) for ICS or GB , Downgrade OTA firmware "
this also solve wrong S-on Brick , hope that helps
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[Q] HTC Desire S stuck on yellow exclamation mark when updating to Android 2.5

Hi all,
I've been trying to update my HTC Desire S for a few days.
I want to update from Android 2.3.3 to 2.5 but I can't get it to work.
I will try to provide you with as much info as possible.
I have a rooted phone and I've also made backups of my ROM and apps using clockworkmod and titanium backup.
Now, if I try to update from within Android (I get a message sayin an OTA update is waiting for me) then it will reboot, but get stucked at the infamous white triangle with yellow exclamation mark.
Next thing I tried is booting in recovery mode and select apply update from zip file.
This gives me a whole list of errors, and I thought the update file was corrupt.
Note that every time the phone gets stucked I remove the battery, otherwhise I can't boot the phone again.
Now, I deleted the update from my sdcard and downloaded it again. Tried the same steps but nothing happened.
Last time I tried to get into recovery mode it got stuck at the pink T-Mobile logo. I'm looking at this screen for half an hour now.
To make a long story short:
- Update from 2.3.3 to 2.5
- Carriƫr: T-Mobile (NL)
- Phone: HTC Desire S
- ROOT: YES!
- HBOOT: 6.98.1002
- RADIO: 3805.06.02.03_M
I hope anyone is able to help me with this, right now I don't know what my phone is doing, and I cannot use it.
Best regards,
Marcoevich
Ok, I've removed the battery and managed to boot it again.
Now, I renamed the update file to update.zip and put it in the rood of my sdcard.
I got into recovery mode again, tried update from zip file on sdcard. Here's the error I got:
assert failed: check_cid(getprop("ro.cid"). "0000000" , "1111111" , "2222222" , "3333333" , "4444444" , "5555555" , "6666666" , "7777777" , "8888888" , "9999999" , "T-MOB003") == "t"
E:Error in /sdcard/update.zip
(Status 7)
Installation aborted.
If you can get into recovery again I would recommend trying to restore your back up. You should not try to apply an OTA update to a rooted phone at all, you could have got a 2.5 update from a thread here. Sorry I can't help more but as far as I know you really need to get into recovery and get the back up restored or try and flash a new ROM.
Yeah, try a custom rom out there. Saga3D v4 is based on official desire s sense 3 update. Official ota can't work because hboot needs to ne updated (new partition table), and revolutionary hboot (6.98.0002) can't be overwritten by ota. Plus official ota needs stock recovery. Clockworkmod, 4ext recovery won't work. So either restore your backup or try a custom rom
Sent from my Desire S with Virtuous Quattro
Ok thx. Didn't knew i couldn't apply an OTA over a rooted ROM. I thought I would only lose my root after update.
But I've done some research in the meantime. I think I'm gonna flash the latest coredroid ROM, that one looks very promising
Thx again for your help, but I got one more question.
First i'd like to test the original htc OTA. So a workaround for that is restore my backup from before I rooted the phone.
The only thing is, will I be able to go back to the rooted ROM afterwards? OR do I need to root it again?
Well that is a little more complicated. The problem applying ota isn't the rooted rom, it is the custom recovery. Ota needs stock recovery to work.
And if you restore stock recovery and apply ota, your only possibility to root will be using htcdev unlock and permanently losing your warranty. (Htc will register your serial number and will be able to say that you voided your warranty)
Better using a custom rom.
Sent from my Desire S with Virtuous Quattro
Lol, I didn't saw that one comming
If I go to the htcdev site, I get the idea that HTC supports software development, and that it will repair phones even if they are rooted. So what's the point here? Why can't I 'normally' root my phone after upgrade to android 2.5?
Ok, to make things more clear for myself and others, I've done a conversation with an employee of the Dutch customer care department. I've translated the conversation to English, so you can understand it.
Here you go:
You are now connected with Susan.
Susan: Dear Marcoevich, thank you for your contacting HTC customer support.
Susan: What is your question exactly?
Marcoevich: Hey susan
Marcoevich: I will explain
Marcoevich: I have a rooted Desire S with Android 2.3.3
Marcoevich: Now I get an OTA update to Android 2.5 and Sense 3.0
Marcoevich: that update should be easy to apply when I restore a backup from Before my root
Marcoevich: But if I then go back to a custom ROM it is another story
Marcoevich: according to my friends at xda-developers I should do that with the htcdev unlock tool.
Marcoevich: but then I will lose all my warranty
Marcoevich: is that right?
Susan: Yes, if the unit is rooted u will void the warranty on your device. I understand that you have done this already?
Marcoevich: It is. but I think I read somewhere that HTC supports software development, and will fix rooted phones since August last year
Susan: HTC repairs the phones as usual, but the costs will be payed by the customer.
Marcoevich: Ah I see.
Marcoevich: What's the difference between a normal root or unlock the recovery using the htcdev tool? Because according to xda-developers I am losing my full warranty
Susan: It is exactly the same. No mather how you root the phone, you always lose the warranty.
Marcoevich: Hmm ok sin..
Marcoevich: I have one more question
Marcoevich: it is possible to restore your phone using a backup from before you rooted it.
Marcoevich: Can anyone, after I do this, see afterwards that it was a rooted phone?
Susan: I can give no answer. If a technician can see that the device has been rooted, it will be outside warranty. It is up to the repairers from Dynafix to determine this eventually.
Marcoevich: ok fine Thanks for your time!
Susan: Can I help you with anything else today?
Marcoevich: No, I understand now, I think
Marcoevich: thanks for your help!
To make a long story short: No matter how you root it, you will always lose your full warranty.
That's good to know
Edit: One more question remains: If I restore my phone with a backup from BEFORE I rooted it, will someone be able to see that it was a rooted phone?
Thanks in advance!
Marcoevich
Marcoevich said:
To make a long story short: No matter how you root it, you will always lose your full warranty.
That's good to know
Edit: One more question remains: If I restore my phone with a backup from BEFORE I rooted it, will someone be able to see that it was a rooted phone?
Thanks in advance!
Marcoevich
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As I understand it, no.
If you root it using htcdev they will have a record that you accepted their terms and conditions and rooted the phone thus voiding your warranty. If you have rooted using another method (Revolutionary for example) they have NO record that the phone was ever rooted.
You SHOULD be able to either restore your back-up (I'm not sure if this will bring it right back to stock, how did you make the back-up if it wasn't rooted?) or alternatively flash the stock rom you originally had from this site. There are threads on doing this right, and it will return your phone to stock, no one will be able to tell it was once rooted and you can then also download and apply the OTA update. I'm not quite sure why you might want to do that though as there are roms available here based on the ota update already, and much more exciting roms available as well. You should try some of these first before losing root with the ota update.
Also in future or for others reading this with similar situations: as Floatshow said I think the problem is partly caused by the revolutionary hboot being changed to 6.98.000, which the phone sees as higher than the ota roms hboot - to avoid this kind of problem it might be best to flash a new hboot - there are threads on this in the development section.
Good luck!
Thank you 4myphone! You explained it very clear
I made a backup using ROM Manager of my stock ROM. I hope the hboot etc is included in such a backup?
Thx for your explanation, I understand it now and if I ever have to send my phone to HTC I will use this site to return my phone to stock. I'm glad that it's possible
Best regards,
Marcoevich
Good question! I don't know if the hboot is part of the backup, it certainly doesn't change when you switch roms. I'd guess that restoring a back up would not change the hboot but I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Let me know if you test it
Nope. The hboot would NEVER be included in the recovery backup.

Noob Question About S-On, S-Off, and HTC's unlock

I used HTC's official unlock and my phone is unlocked, but has S-On. Is there a benefit to S-Off now that mine is unlocked? What is the difference between how the unlocks are? Sorry if i'm not making much sense, I'm new to this place and Android in general... I just got my sensation last week.
Welcome to Sensation
Don't worry, everyone's a noob at some point, I'm pretty much still a noob myself but as far as I understand it:
To this point you have unlocked your bootloader which simply allows the phone to boot with third-party software installed. In your phone there is a form of security check and the level of security is determined by whether you are S-ON or S-OFF. It's a flag at the radio level of your phone that checks images before they are allowed to be written to the system memory. So when you gain S-OFF, you gain unrestricted access to the NAND flash memory on your device, also known as root. With S-ON you can get temporary root but it's not guaranteed, with S-OFF you can get permanent root no matter what you flash.
Essentially gaining S-OFF permits superuser access to the phone, giving you control over all aspects of software and hardware.
If you like your phone the way it comes to you, all filled up with bloatware and stuck using only the latest version of Android that your carrier releases OTA, with a boring/crappy splash screen and boot animation (and so on and so forth ) then you have no real reason to get S-OFF.
If however you have seen some of the shiny ROMs put together by the devs here at XDA, or have a sweet custom splash screen you'd love to see every time you boot up the phone, or just like the idea of having complete control over YOUR phone and flashing what-the-hell-ever ROM/firmware/radio/other stuff you damn well please, then you should definitely consider rooting.
The disclaimer to all this is that if you aren't careful and don't thoroughly research what you're doing BEFORE you do it, you could brick your phone and give yourself some serious grief. The fact you're even asking this now is a point in your favour, there are far too many 'help me' posts on here from people who did something without bothering to try and understand it first. Knowledge is power and there's buckets of knowledge on this forum and others.
I'd suggest reading here and here at the very least.
Hope that helps
s-off means you may do anything with your phone,
you will lose warrenty at s-off gain it at s-on
as the other guy said if u want a nice toutch to your rom s-off it and install, if u want it still legal dont
Thanks for the info. I've been considering using an ICS OTA file on my HTC Sensation 4G, but the guides i've seen only mention S-OFF and nothing about the unlocked S-ON. I just can't wait for the official release!
On the other hand though, I also want to remove bloatware from this phone and found a script for such... but i can't seem to get any temp root method working. I'm not ready to jump off the deep end yet, but i'm tired of the unnecessary stuff.
I also couldn't wait for the official ICS release so I s-off, rooted, super CID, and flashed an ICS firmware and went to android revolution. Honestly, it's one of the best decisions Ive ever made. If you think your stock phone is running good right now, you'll be amazed when you flash it, it will run absolutely faster I tell you.
Though there are alot of risks doing all of that, it might brick your phone completely. So be very careful, read and understand everything if you're going to do all of those stuff.
Sent from revolutionized HTC Sensation ICS
HTC sensation stuck at boot
Hey Guys Noob here,
I need help big time. I gone and mess with something I shouldn't have. I'm a first time android/touch screen user so bear with me.
I was trying to S-off my phone (alrady rooted- after several tries) but I downloaded the juopunutbear zip file on my phone. I mistakenly loaded it via the CWM recovery and now the screen is stuck on that juopunutbear image.
I have tried to flash my rom because I thought it was just a boot loop, but nothing happened. I NEED some advice please don't tell me I bricked it. :crying:
man+droid said:
Hey Guys Noob here,
I need help big time. I gone and mess with something I shouldn't have. I'm a first time android/touch screen user so bear with me.
I was trying to S-off my phone (alrady rooted- after several tries) but I downloaded the juopunutbear zip file on my phone. I mistakenly loaded it via the CWM recovery and now the screen is stuck on that juopunutbear image.
I have tried to flash my rom because I thought it was just a boot loop, but nothing happened. I NEED some advice please don't tell me I bricked it. :crying:
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if you can boot into bootloader then you are not bricked
secondly what do you mean by juopunutbear.zip and from where?
edit:you said that you are already rooted
which means that you have unlocked bootloader from htcdev site am i right?
Yes it was already unlock from HTC dev, but I was trying to get S- off using the wire trick method. In reading the Jounutbear guide thread it directed u to a link which has the zip file which I should have run on my pc but I had mistakenly installed it from my sd card and now it isn't going furthuer than that screen. I now can't using the Jbear exe bcuz it not recogining it.
I don't really want to keep adding my nonsense to the thread how can I PM someone for help.
man+droid said:
Yes it was already unlock from HTC dev, but I was trying to get S- off using the wire trick method. In reading the Jounutbear guide thread it directed u to a link which has the zip file which I should have run on my pc but I had mistakenly installed it from my sd card and now it isn't going furthuer than that screen. I now can't using the Jbear exe bcuz it not recogining it.
I don't really want to keep adding my nonsense to the thread how can I PM someone for help.
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do this
install 4ext recovery
enable smartflash from it
flash the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
man+droid said:
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
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that's weird
did you perform a full wipe(from recovery) before flashing the rom?
also as long as you are on S-ON use 4ext recovery to flash the rom
and before flashing the rom enable smartflash from 4ext
if you have done all the above then use a ruu.exe to return to stock condition
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672425
Well that thread seems to be a mouth full remember I'm a noob. But I will try and read that again to get what it really says. It seems though that it was a complex instruction how to get back to the stock rom? Isn't there a file for that I can download. I get to doing that RUU thing to see if it works tho
man+droid said:
Well that thread seems to be a mouth full remember I'm a noob. But I will try and read that again to get what it really says. It seems though that it was a complex instruction how to get back to the stock rom? Isn't there a file for that I can download. I get to doing that RUU thing to see if it works tho
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i saw your post in the other thread
you managed to install 4ext
now try to flash a custom rom
before flashing the rom enable smartflash from 4ext
Hey guys good news
I finally got the phone to power on. I saw this thread that highlead my pro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284273 but I was really got the details from another forum. I don't know if I'm allowed to post it so I won't, but I'll sum it up.
All I need to do was flash the boot image on my current rom (get this from the zip file) and also flash the recovery image from a backup I had and presto.
But I'll go and follow you guys instruction about enabling the 4ext smart flash from now on. What I want to know though is for some custom roms (eg cyanogenmod 10.1) do I needs to be S-off to install it?
If so I'm still gonna try and S-off this here thingy. Givethanks y'all
man+droid said:
Hey guys good news
I finally got the phone to power on. I saw this thread that highlead my pro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2284273 but I was really got the details from another forum. I don't know if I'm allowed to post it so I won't, but I'll sum it up.
All I need to do was flash the boot image on my current rom (get this from the zip file) and also flash the recovery image from a backup I had and presto.
But I'll go and follow you guys instruction about enabling the 4ext smart flash from now on. What I want to know though is for some custom roms (eg cyanogenmod 10.1) do I needs to be S-off to install it?
If so I'm still gonna try and S-off this here thingy. Givethanks y'all
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any ICS/JB rom you can install via enabling smartflash in 4EXT before flashing the ROM
ganeshp said:
any ICS/JB rom you can install via enabling smartflash in 4EXT before flashing the ROM
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Hey thanx for the heads up. So I'm finally s-off using the J-bear method but where unlocked use to be I'm now seeing the juopunutbear there so I got back into android but it was the old CWM that was on it how do I get back the 4ext and would that be a prob if that J name remains there tho?
man+droid said:
Hey thanx for the heads up. So I'm finally s-off using the J-bear method but where unlocked use to be I'm now seeing the juopunutbear there so I got back into android but it was the old CWM that was on it how do I get back the 4ext and would that be a prob if that J name remains there tho?
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no you are fine now
there is no problem with juopunutbear because now you have patched hboot which is unlocked
you are fine also with cwm recovery
but if you still want 4ext do only step 2 from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
man+droid said:
I did all that but the phone keeps booting up with the Juoputnutbear image that point to the phone. It looks similar to when I was just rooting the phone but it just no picking up nothing but that.
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might be a bad dl. Download it again and reflash or try a different rom.

How do you install the new radio??newbie??

How does one go about installing the new radio i keep seeing mentioned around the forums in the trickdroid thread especially?
What does it do?
Does it improve battery life or signal?
Cheers and step by step please
Sure mate here you go:
1. Go to Q&A section
2. Read thread OTA Update to Android 4.0.4 for S4 is Out
Good luck
So I need to download that exe. Backup my current trickdroid set up. Then just run the exe let it upgrade everything back to stock but the radio will be upgraded. I then just boot into Cwm and reinstall trickdroid?
Cheers
Sent from my HTC One S using xda premium
frdd said:
Sure mate here you go:
1. Go to Q&A section
2. Read thread OTA Update to Android 4.0.4 for S4 is Out
Good luck
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What he said replying to ur latest question
Sent from my HTC One S using xda premium
Gavin01 said:
So I need to download that exe. Backup my current trickdroid set up. Then just run the exe let it upgrade everything back to stock but the radio will be upgraded. I then just boot into Cwm and reinstall trickdroid?
Cheers
Sent from my HTC One S using xda premium
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If you need to change your CID
Make a nandroid backup from cwm
Relock bootloader
Connect your phone to pc and start the ruu exe (follow the wizard)
Unlock bootloader (if you changed CID you have to get another unlock_code from htcdev)
Flash cwm
Restore nandroid backup
Reboot
Done!
If you get a bootloop after restoring the nandroid flash boot.img through fastboot.
Btw next time search aorund the forums, you could figure it out yourself
cheers all
i still dont really understand what to do but ill give it a go.
atm i have a rooted phone with cwm installed and trickdroid 7.
although people saying search. I saw this thread.......http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1781033
But its not actually that clear to beginners on what to do.
If its only wifi fixes im not sure if its worth the risk, i thought it may improve reception or battery life etc?
Haven't seen any official patch notes actually so unsure what it does. If you're going to do stuff before being sure what you're doing or at least understanding exactly how, make sure you backup important stuff like photos on your computer first. 99% of flashing screw-ups can be fixed with the assistance of the awesome nerds here but you'll be at the mercy of unknown unpaid strangers good will. Failure is always an option
drop box always saves me
well ive flashed it but im having trouble getting cwm back on it so i can then root it or once ive got cwm on it will my rom backup auto unroot it again?##
Answers to my own questions............
In the end i used htc one s all in one tool kit and kept trying to flash cwm without success. I tryed to install it via fastboot and that failed as well. In the end the only that worked was the interim cwm included in the tool kit once that was installed i then installed my backup rom which seems to have re rooted the phone and then used rom manager to flash cwm properly
Cheers.
Just be good if i knew exactly what this new update did lol
it was suppose to help wifi issues, i believe, would have to re-read on it. sure there are other improvements
thing is, it gives different results for each person, I am not sure it helped me at all, as my issues were, i believe, rom/kernel related
also, with the current setup you have and if you are on an hboot older than .13, like 06 or 09 you could have just flashed radio thru fastboot
fastboot flash radio radio.img
fastboot reboot
Just fyi for next time as radio is rom independent, but done wrong is quickest way to brick phone
hence why i wanted to be doubly sure and started my own thread and not brick my phone.
Thanks though.

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